Really good video. As you say Thornborough doesn't get anything like the same publicity as Stonehenge. Yours is one of the few videos I've found giving a basic introduction to the henges. Glad you mentioned Orion's belt - yes I had been thinking about that! But I didn't know about the cursus. So thanks for sharing that. Again, another link with Stonehenge. If I can I'll definitely visit this place one of the days. Fascinating.
There's another triple henge system in the North of England that no-one talks about, Mayburgh henge in Cumbria. If these henge were in the south, would be fed up hereabouts them.
I'm just going to make a simple observation.... the precision of the alignment, equal dimensions between the circles and the circles themselves, the straight lines of the "avenues" is simply mind blowing. Very interesting video indeed, highly polished production 👍🏻
This is awesome, seems loads of our pre-history gets concentrated on places like Stonehenge and Avebury (both fascinating landscapes btw), yet places like Thornborough barely get a mention. You should have a potter round some of Derbyshire's stone circles at some point, Arbor Low is a lovely spot for a Starbar and a nice sit down. 👍
Just up the road from myself !Heard of the site due the part land sale so it was very interesting to watch your video on how significant Thornbourgh is British ancient history.
Brilliant video! I've never heard of these henges and I'm right into that kind of business! Thrilling and fascinating! (My favourite henge is Avebury in Wiltshire... possibly helped by the cafe which serves a vegan cream tea.)
Such an amazing site! Thanks for the video. Remember to keep the site for present and future generations by staying off the raised banks of the henges.
Thanks Ollie. of note, the tree will have protected the monument from ploughing, but the tree roots will have made a real mess of the underlying archaeoological deposits.
Fascinating video. I like that you avoided too much speculation and didn't draw specific conclusions and interpretations. One other thing thing the North has are cup and ring marks on stones. I did a project on them some years ago and visited a few sites. They are quite spectacular where they occur. Many are in Northumberland, Durham and N. Yorks, but they also occur in Scotland. In fact, there is a commonality between the patterns in the UK and others all over Europe and North Africa. It does seem there was some kind of widespread cultural contact in the Neolithic or 'New Stone Age', 4300-2000 BC.
Your videos just get better and better Ollie, great footage with a good mix of written narration and talking to camera, covering really interesting topics. As a fellow Mancunian I had no idea this site exists so close by, will definitely check it out next time I’m out that way. Can’t wait to see what you cover next!
An excellent report on henges, which I confess, I didn't knew of before you kindly brought them to my attention. On the parallels with the three principal pyramids on the Giza Plateau and how they may align with Orion's belt stars, there are sites in the Americas that are claimed to do so as well. Gary A.. David has written about Native American sites in the south-western USA containing Orion alignments; and several researchers have noted that the three principal pyramids of Teotihuacan in Mexico also may align with the same three stars. Henges have parallels in the Americas too. England's most famous one, at Avebury, happens to be a circle that is the same diameter as a very similar ditch surrounded by a bank in Newark, Ohio.
It doesn't surprise me really. I can remember as a kid, walking with my dad to my local sports centre, and especially in winter when you're walking in the dark, or even on the way back sometimes in summer, he'd often quiz me on certain things, make it a game but one that I'm learning from. One of the first I can remember is him trying to get my to point out Orion's belt and the seven sisters (didn't know it at the time, but it was the only two he knew!). If I ever had to draw the night sky, that one always featured dominantly. Orion's belt has always been easy to spot, and has always been my favourite stars, even from that age of about 6/7. It doesn't surprise me therefore that people through the ages may have dedicated stuff to it whatsoever, when even today some people are still fascinated with it. (sorry for the long-winded reply!)
Well those two constellations are certainly easy to spot. (It was great that your Dad did that, by the way). Personally, I don't think that alone can explain why Orion was considered where souls came from and then departed physical life on this planet, in all of those very different cultures; but that's just me. @@04williamsl
Really interesting to hear more about these sites. Ive seen the stone circle in Orkney and its interesting what you said about the island being sacred. Theres lots of amazing sites to visit in Orkney, but maybe Ill try to get to Thornborough next. Thanks for the video :)
In his book 'The Orion Mystery' Robert Bauval used archaeo-astronomy to calculate the date the Giza pyramids represent (12,400 years ago). Could the same be done with the Thornbury Henge?
Just a friendly minor correction. The British-Romano people did not look back on earlier religious sites with mockery, they venerated them as well, recognising a linear progression of religions of which theirs just naturally superceded it as the 'true' faith. Buried Roman coins and metal objects have been found at pre-historic sites in the British Isles, such as Picket's Farm in west Dorset where a Neolithic enclosure was found only because of the mass of deposited Roman objects.
As we know they were numerous hill forts 2000 years plus over around Britain, so obviously there was lots of warfare.However, you needed to have sacred sites that people could meet on the equinox and solstice, interaction would take place but it will always have to be a neutral area on a large site.there would be Druids and tribal chiefs, who would meet and almost certainly to form alliances and there would be i intermarriages from these various groups?
You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much, lol. I'm not referring to the channel operator, btw. We have a whole lot more banter for them Bee's 😉
I want concur with the sentiments of @iancaveney ... some further points: The mounds next to the "Earth Henges" are burial grounds of prominent people of that time. The "Earth Henges" celebrated the seasons (pagan sabats) of the year, they had ceremonies for deaths as we would say Funerals and births as we would say Christenings ... they were places of mass gatherings as well, most "Earth Henges" are aligned with the rising of Sun and Moon. You mentioned "The Romans" they were Pagan as well so they would have Cherished Them !!!
@@davidtruman4590 Differing outlooks within the same religion of Paganism "the pre Christian" influence ... just like the differing aspects of Christianity
Well, we can all have differing outlooks. The real question is whether we set about murdering others because their world view differs from ours. As for 'paganism' as a religion. Well, it's actually from the Latin ' word - coined by the Romans - 'paganus'. It meant, essentially, country bumpkin, because the country people were reluctant to convert to the official religion of the Roman city state.@@merseydave1
There are currently 3 burial mounds identified and a funerary enclosure possibly but the suggestion is the mounds were later as use was waning as they are not in significant locations related to the henges themselves?
This place looks lovely... why the comparison to Stonehenge? I talk with a large number of tourists and always tell them to go to the far more impressive Avebury, rather than the tourist trap and disappointment that is Stonehenge. Cissbury Rings is another great attraction too. All far better than Stonehenge.
People on islands like the Orkneys couldn't be picky about where they situated their sacred sites? Really? So they just happened to build the structures at the Ness of Brodgar there randomly and not because it's a natural causeway between islands? I don't think that statement holds up at all.
Mike Parker Pearson has also shown that stone henge is most likely situated where it is because of the natural linier geological features included in the causeway. Yes the Seven is part of the sacred landscape and processional route but probably not the ultimate reason why the henge was built there.
Brilliantly presented as usual and so interesting thanks . Your socialist conscience shines through like a knowledgable light . keep up the great work .
Stone henge would have been white due to the lime stone ,they were ment to be seen from a distance,there is anothe 3 circles ,cant remember where but if you looked down on them they looked like they were in line with orians belt .3 important number the sun the moon and earth
The Richat Structure in Western Mauritania measures more than 26 miles or 40 kilometers in diameter. Exactly like at Thornberry, concentric circles of rock and other 'sedimentary' rocks protrude from under the ground to form what looks like a 'bullseye' when viewed from above. Regarded by scholars as a natural formation and not man made suggests we should be cautious about the archaeological claims being made about Thornborough's henges. Judging from the footage you took the area looks to have been a flood plain or shallow sea in the past, with very little land raising above a few meters. This would have been a bog land moss once the water began to drain away and treacherous underfoot which therefore makes inhabiting this region as 'unlikely' and building temples 'improbable'.
Really good video. As you say Thornborough doesn't get anything like the same publicity as Stonehenge. Yours is one of the few videos I've found giving a basic introduction to the henges. Glad you mentioned Orion's belt - yes I had been thinking about that! But I didn't know about the cursus. So thanks for sharing that. Again, another link with Stonehenge. If I can I'll definitely visit this place one of the days. Fascinating.
There's another triple henge system in the North of England that no-one talks about, Mayburgh henge in Cumbria. If these henge were in the south, would be fed up hereabouts them.
I'm just going to make a simple observation.... the precision of the alignment, equal dimensions between the circles and the circles themselves, the straight lines of the "avenues" is simply mind blowing.
Very interesting video indeed, highly polished production 👍🏻
It is amazing that this stuff still exists. I've visited the 9 Ladies, and also the Castlerigg stones near Keswick. They always seem very impressive.
I don't know the 9 ladies, have heard of the seven sisters.. Where are the 9ladies ?
@@camoTiara - Google Nine Ladies Stone Circle. It's in the Peak District.
That was so very interesting and so well presented. Well done Olly!
Good to see you do this. For some reason no-one talks about the English prehistoric sites outside Wiltshire.
Your videos make me want to visit Yorkshire!
Love your videos mate.
It's also not far from Star Car, one of the oldest humnb settlements in the country, pre dating even flag fen.
This is awesome, seems loads of our pre-history gets concentrated on places like Stonehenge and Avebury (both fascinating landscapes btw), yet places like Thornborough barely get a mention.
You should have a potter round some of Derbyshire's stone circles at some point, Arbor Low is a lovely spot for a Starbar and a nice sit down. 👍
Weren't you very lucky to be granted that look at the northern one on private land and thank you for showing us. I do really enjoy your presentations.
Just up the road from myself !Heard of the site due the part land sale so it was very interesting to watch your video on how significant Thornbourgh is British ancient history.
This was beautiful. Thanks Ollie!
Brilliant video! I've never heard of these henges and I'm right into that kind of business! Thrilling and fascinating! (My favourite henge is Avebury in Wiltshire... possibly helped by the cafe which serves a vegan cream tea.)
Mmmm, enough said. You've sold it to me!
Ollie, this is off subject, but you would be a great history teacher. You show the passion and dedication required for being a great history teacher.
I hated history at school but loved all the local stuff for years, that's why I follow all the you tubers like Ollie and Martin Zero
Thanks for another informative video, Ollie. Never heard of it before, just gone straight on Google earth lol
Ahhhhhh Martin Zero...@@lescampbell4196
Thanks that's a top comment 😁 but I'll pass I think. Teachers work a lot harder than me 😄
Maybe in the future??? A good country needs good history teachers.@@BeeHereNowuk
Such an amazing site! Thanks for the video. Remember to keep the site for present and future generations by staying off the raised banks of the henges.
Nice one Ollie, thanks for that. Coincidently, I've just been watching a programme about a huge henge discovered in Ireland. Your show was better!!!
Haha thanks Mike. 😁😁
Very interesting! Great video 👍🏻😄
Your vids are always really well thought out and educational Ollie, great work 👍
Arbor Low is a good one, in Derbyshire, where nine ley lines meet. the crown placed energy blocks on the lines before they entered the circle!
Thanks Ollie. of note, the tree will have protected the monument from ploughing, but the tree roots will have made a real mess of the underlying archaeoological deposits.
Yes good point I forgot to mention 👍
Fascinating video. I like that you avoided too much speculation and didn't draw specific conclusions and interpretations. One other thing thing the North has are cup and ring marks on stones. I did a project on them some years ago and visited a few sites. They are quite spectacular where they occur. Many are in Northumberland, Durham and N. Yorks, but they also occur in Scotland. In fact, there is a commonality between the patterns in the UK and others all over Europe and North Africa. It does seem there was some kind of widespread cultural contact in the Neolithic or 'New Stone Age', 4300-2000 BC.
Amazing clarity, so grateful. ~ Blessings.
You learn something new everyday !!
Fantastic video about a fabulous place, 5 minutes away from my home town of Ripon thanks for the cracking video
Your videos just get better and better Ollie, great footage with a good mix of written narration and talking to camera, covering really interesting topics. As a fellow Mancunian I had no idea this site exists so close by, will definitely check it out next time I’m out that way.
Can’t wait to see what you cover next!
Wow! Your best work so far! So informative. It’s amazing!
Connecting the dots . Glad there is someone like u that takes the time to research and share their knowledge.
An excellent report on henges, which I confess, I didn't knew of before you kindly brought them to my attention. On the parallels with the three principal pyramids on the Giza Plateau and how they may align with Orion's belt stars, there are sites in the Americas that are claimed to do so as well. Gary A.. David has written about Native American sites in the south-western USA containing Orion alignments; and several researchers have noted that the three principal pyramids of Teotihuacan in Mexico also may align with the same three stars. Henges have parallels in the Americas too. England's most famous one, at Avebury, happens to be a circle that is the same diameter as a very similar ditch surrounded by a bank in Newark, Ohio.
It doesn't surprise me really.
I can remember as a kid, walking with my dad to my local sports centre, and especially in winter when you're walking in the dark, or even on the way back sometimes in summer, he'd often quiz me on certain things, make it a game but one that I'm learning from.
One of the first I can remember is him trying to get my to point out Orion's belt and the seven sisters (didn't know it at the time, but it was the only two he knew!). If I ever had to draw the night sky, that one always featured dominantly.
Orion's belt has always been easy to spot, and has always been my favourite stars, even from that age of about 6/7. It doesn't surprise me therefore that people through the ages may have dedicated stuff to it whatsoever, when even today some people are still fascinated with it.
(sorry for the long-winded reply!)
Well those two constellations are certainly easy to spot. (It was great that your Dad did that, by the way). Personally, I don't think that alone can explain why Orion was considered where souls came from and then departed physical life on this planet, in all of those very different cultures; but that's just me. @@04williamsl
Yes it's so fascinating isn't it, how ancient communities around the world all seemed to be drawn to look up to the stars for their stories
Well, perhaps they knew more than we give credit for. @@BeeHereNowuk
Really interesting to hear more about these sites. Ive seen the stone circle in Orkney and its interesting what you said about the island being sacred. Theres lots of amazing sites to visit in Orkney, but maybe Ill try to get to Thornborough next. Thanks for the video :)
Great video and great footage Ollie. I hadn't heard of Thornborough at all. Really interesting to know we have henges up north too!
Yeah i got a little surge of pride when I visited there 😂
Superb documentary so well researched and presented .
Thanks for this. Why haven't I heard of them before? Will be paying a visit soon.
Very cool site! And great video about it too! The amount of detail you went into was perfect!
Solid presentation, thank you.
Another fantastic video. I have been wanting to visit this place ever since I saw it on Megalithomania recently. Keep up the great work.
Glad you enjoyed it
That was fascinating. I just had a whip through your videos and it's very much my kind of stuff, so you have a new subscriber here. :D
Lovely video thank you
Wonderful video... The archaeoastronomical theories are a bit speculative, but they always are.
Really enjoyed that....
The trees on the third henge are all roughly the same diameter so look about the same age. Deliberate planting?
Amazing video
Incredibly, credible vid & let's keep hoping EH keep their hands off of it 😜
Go north to Lewis and see Calanish is stones 4000-5000 years old, 2000 years older than stonehenge
That matches the Orion belt just like the pyramids of Giza. Sorry, I made that comment before you mentioned it in the video
I said it out loud just before he did. 😂
Amazing to think that these works were done with a lot of man power and simple implements.
Agreed,considering the size of the population and how hard life must have been back then,makes it an even more impressive fete
Yep. They had bulging biceps and taut midriffs then - as against bingo wings and burger bellies these days! 😜🙄😁
Oh this was good! 👍🏻
6:22 What site is that, please?
ARBOR LOW is worth a vist. 6 laylines cross this place
Leylines. Six things that don’t actually exist cross this place.
@@paulannable3734 You took the words straight out of my laughing gear, lol
@@paulannable3734 🤡
@@fraggit 🤡
It's easy to prove leylines,get out their with the rods,there are many stories of people finding water courses with this method
Have you looked at Long Meg and her daughters and little Meg, near Salkeld, and King Arthurs Table at Penrith?
how cool is that
In his book 'The Orion Mystery' Robert Bauval used archaeo-astronomy to calculate the date the Giza pyramids represent (12,400 years ago). Could the same be done with the Thornbury Henge?
Its just a idea not a fact and plenty have serious critiques of Bauvals ideas - you maybe out of date in your hopes
The Devils Arrows at Boroughbridge complement this site.
There is also another huge henge at Roecliffe roundabout which likely pointed the way
Just a friendly minor correction. The British-Romano people did not look back on earlier religious sites with mockery, they venerated them as well, recognising a linear progression of religions of which theirs just naturally superceded it as the 'true' faith. Buried Roman coins and metal objects have been found at pre-historic sites in the British Isles, such as Picket's Farm in west Dorset where a Neolithic enclosure was found only because of the mass of deposited Roman objects.
As we know they were numerous hill forts 2000 years plus over around Britain, so obviously there was lots of warfare.However, you needed to have sacred sites that people could meet on the equinox and solstice, interaction would take place but it will always have to be a neutral area on a large site.there would be Druids and tribal chiefs, who would meet and almost certainly to form alliances and there would be i intermarriages from these various groups?
Swinside,castlerigg,long megg,and many more smaller sites of interest in the north of England.You did seem to miss that out, somewhat.
You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much, lol. I'm not referring to the channel operator, btw. We have a whole lot more banter for them Bee's 😉
I want concur with the sentiments of @iancaveney ... some further points: The mounds next to the "Earth Henges" are burial grounds of prominent people of that time. The "Earth Henges" celebrated the seasons (pagan sabats) of the year, they had ceremonies for deaths as we would say Funerals and births as we would say Christenings ... they were places of mass gatherings as well, most "Earth Henges" are aligned with the rising of Sun and Moon. You mentioned "The Romans" they were Pagan as well so they would have Cherished Them !!!
Well, the Romans didn't exactly cherish the Druids on their sacred Ynys Mon (Isle of Anglesey) though, did they?
@@davidtruman4590 Differing outlooks within the same religion of Paganism "the pre Christian" influence ... just like the differing aspects of Christianity
Paganism is an umbrella, not one singular religion, but other than that nitpick I agree!
Well, we can all have differing outlooks. The real question is whether we set about murdering others because their world view differs from ours. As for 'paganism' as a religion. Well, it's actually from the Latin ' word - coined by the Romans - 'paganus'. It meant, essentially, country bumpkin, because the country people were reluctant to convert to the official religion of the Roman city state.@@merseydave1
There are currently 3 burial mounds identified and a funerary enclosure possibly but the suggestion is the mounds were later as use was waning as they are not in significant locations related to the henges themselves?
This place looks lovely... why the comparison to Stonehenge? I talk with a large number of tourists and always tell them to go to the far more impressive Avebury, rather than the tourist trap and disappointment that is Stonehenge. Cissbury Rings is another great attraction too. All far better than Stonehenge.
They're all great places....I wouldn't call Stonehenge a disappointment.
@JupiterThunder that's where we disagree.. its over rated, and a very poor experience.
Read a book called 'before the pyramids' It explains beyond doubt what this place was & I guarantee it blow your mind
People on islands like the Orkneys couldn't be picky about where they situated their sacred sites? Really? So they just happened to build the structures at the Ness of Brodgar there randomly and not because it's a natural causeway between islands? I don't think that statement holds up at all.
Mike Parker Pearson has also shown that stone henge is most likely situated where it is because of the natural linier geological features included in the causeway. Yes the Seven is part of the sacred landscape and processional route but probably not the ultimate reason why the henge was built there.
The Orion connection to the pyramids has been thoroughly debunked and I'm pretty amazed to see you mention it in all seriousness here.
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Brilliantly presented as usual and so interesting thanks . Your socialist conscience shines through like a knowledgable light . keep up the great work .
Thank you kindly!
Orion's Belt
Stone henge would have been white due to the lime stone ,they were ment to be seen from a distance,there is anothe 3 circles ,cant remember where but if you looked down on them they looked like they were in line with orians belt .3 important number the sun the moon and earth
The Richat Structure in Western Mauritania measures more than 26 miles or 40 kilometers in diameter. Exactly like at Thornberry, concentric circles of rock and other 'sedimentary' rocks protrude from under the ground to form what looks like a 'bullseye' when viewed from above. Regarded by scholars as a natural formation and not man made suggests we should be cautious about the archaeological claims being made about Thornborough's henges. Judging from the footage you took the area looks to have been a flood plain or shallow sea in the past, with very little land raising above a few meters. This would have been a bog land moss once the water began to drain away and treacherous underfoot which therefore makes inhabiting this region as 'unlikely' and building temples 'improbable'.
Incredible ‘analysis’. 😈
There is far too much archaeology that shows the deliberate and across generational work on these. They were deliberate
It's for alien landing mate
What else!
'of the north' - the north of what?
Brilliant, totally brilliant
This just a couple of miles drive off the M6 at Penrith
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayburgh_Henge