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Very tough episode--and it needs to be. This series does a great job of getting across something that might otherwise be hard for folks who weren't there to understand the severity of what happened.
They didn’t actually have those. It’s part of the sound design. Everyone knows what that sound is and what it means. Having it play like that is how they show us just how deadly that area was.
Yeah, I think they didn't have it. Not only because it was useless in that context, but also because it would be demoralizing for men. Imagine having only 90 s to focus on that task with a constant reminder that you're being destroyed by something invisible.
They did constantly scan the levels on the roof, that was the only way to determine exposure time, as more and more was removed the allowable time on the roof increased
Another thing about the smoking, the lower class people are shown smoking unfiltered cigarettes showing how disposable they are, while the upper class are smoking illegal cigarettes smuggled in from the west
@@jackson_craft_gamingscates9324 I think the takeaway is that they're considered "higher quality" and therefore only the best of the best (or the most manipulative, depending on your situation) can have them... the people can go f%$@ themselves.
Cigarette filters don’t contain only plastic, but also a cocktail of toxic substances: arsenic (rat poison!), lead, nicotine and pesticides. As the filter disintegrates, the chemicals seep into the soil or the water. .... ur an absolute moron if u think this is information only contained in "media messaging"@@AL-fl4jk
He also did not live in a shabby apartment. He lived in a nice villa in walking distance from the Kurchatov institute where he worked. He had a lot to lose, and he lost it all over Chernobyl.
I always took the cigarettes not only as historical accuracy but, if you are aware you have already recieved a dose of radiation large enough to riddle your body with cancer, you begin to care a lot less about your cigs giving you cancer.
I thought it might also be that American audiences (and maybe western audiences in general) tend to associate cigarettes with cancer, and the focus on the ashtrays is a reminder that there are all kinds of horrible health problems coming for most, if not all, of these people.
For me, the liquidators will forever be the heroes of Chernobyl. Without them it would not have been possible to bring the sarcophagus over the reactor. Many of these liquidators have gone out there more than once.
This is exactly what I wanted to write! There are recordings of them in documentaries, it's amazing what they did and what the radiation did to their bodies is terrifying! As they sat and lay down in the hallway completely exhausted after only a few minutes of work. It really shows the overwhelming power of radiation and how it crushes a healthy and strong body in minutes. I will never forget, the liquidators are real heroes!
The stuff the helicopters were dumping was lignosulphanate(sp?) meant to keep dust down and seal contamination down and keep it from getting blown around, it formed a film and resisted water, was good for binding dust down but also made washing equipment impossible, it was abandoned after a few weeks
Possibly, but likely not unless it actually scratched him too. The shoes wouldn't have given so easily if they were lead lined. So they were likely providing only minimal protection anyway.
I recently found this channel because i saw your reaction to episode 1 of Chernobyl and I have to say this account is an absolute gem! I l love all your reactions!
When this was broadcast, there was a hockey sportswriter named Slava Malamud who was originally from Ukraine who had a lot of praise for the accuracy of the sets and props, as well as the writing and performances. He said that he went to visit his father one day, and suggested that he watch Chernobyl with him. His father told him that he didn’t need to watch it-he had lived it. Only then did the son find out that his father had been one of those working in the restricted zone, doing clean-up. Luckily,, he was only there for a week or so before being transferred elsewhere for military purposes, so he didn’t have extended radiation exposure.
One the liquidators on the Masha roof said he could feel the radiation when he walked out among the rubble. It was like diving underwater where the senses reduced significantly; especially hearing and taste. The hearing was like being underwater or in a vacuum where only his steps could be heard.
25:35 That _is_ the most dangerous, thrid roof. The one where robots can’t work. Time and distance are the best protections, so 90 seconds is still massively better than 2 minutes. And even the 2 minutes don’t mean immediate death where you stand, but a higher probablilty of acute radiation poisoning, shortened lifespan and cancers. 90 seconds still carry all those risks, but less so. It’s a numbers game.
True. The biological resilience against radiation is not a linear relationship. An amount of radiation that is deadly after 10 minutes can have so little effect after just 2 minutes that it becomes difficult to even measure any long term effect at all. Converting radiation units should always be taken with a grain of salt, because they are different units for a reason, but 12,000 Röntgen per hour can be thought of as roughly 33mSv per second if my conversion formula didn't lie. This should kill anyone who is unshielded after experiencing a little over 3 minutes of exposure, 50% after around 100 seconds, 10% after 45 seconds and below 30 seconds one would expect "radiation hangover" and other comparably "mild" consequences. The idea that they could reasonably push things to 90 seconds with enough shielding is at the very least very plausible. Although it must feel very weird to know that you experienced something for 90 seconds without any issues that would kill most people after 180 seconds.
18:15 to your point here Quinn, the reason you don’t do this is that at this moment, although everything is still radioactive, the radiation is somewhat settled. Blowing up the roof to drop the debris would send more radioactive ejecta into the air and more dispersed.
Interesting thing about the comment in the show about "bio-robots". I don't think many people realise that the word "robot" was popularised by a Czech author and it means something along of "the one that does things". It comes from the word "robota" meaning "work" in a lot of Slavic languages. But there is another word related to "robota" in some Slavic languages, especially Russian, and that is "rab". And it means a slave. You could say that to some, slaves were as disposable as those men who did all the work were for the Soviet State. Quite a chilling paralel when you think about it. I wonder if that line was just a coincidence or a purposeful approach.
you are confused and have it all upside down, this word "раб" (slave) comes out of the word "работа" (work) as it is constantly working. The word "работа" is much earlier than the word "раб". In this scene it's just a literary manoeuvre to feel the moment of hopelessness and gravity of the situation.
13:10 I personally think the cigarettes are more about people resigned to their fates (and the usual filmic way to show stress). Cigarettes were known to be bad for you bsck then too, but for the people like the ones we see here who’d been at Chernobyl, would it even matter? Might as well light up
Yeah, we saw that in the first episode: one of the operators, right down by the core, was eating sunflower seeds in his office because he was giving up cigarettes. When he was dying from the radiation and another worker came by, asking if he could do anything to help, he asked for a cigarette. Why not, now that you've nothing left to lose?
The amount of radiation exposure is actually cumulative across a lifetime. There's no coming back again a day or a month later for those roof guys, they've taken a lifetimes worth of damage already. This is even applied today for those working around nuclear materials - they have a personal meter which records their lifetime exposure and if they reach certain limits they are done in that job.
Excellent point regarding the animal culling. What it also did was save the wider gene pool from getting contamimated, sparing countless future generations of animals from painful disfigurements and mutations. Culling is never pretty, but the alternative is much worse.
I saw him first in The Killing of a Sacred Deer and I wish I hadn't 😂 I always associate his face with the bizarro events of that film and he always just comes off as unsettling now.
His face was very different compared to Saltburn (2023). Always the same BS with actors - women more than men - nullifying their original look & feel. I guess he was tired of doing the boyish roles and playing someone younger than himself and bought himself a new jaw. He was already past 25 in Chernobyl. You don't grow an extra jaw when you hit thirty.
@@5050TMlol, I haven’t seen that so I assumed he played particularly “wholesome” characters until recent ones (first thing I saw him in was Dunkirk). I totally understand what you mean; I’ve always been that way about Matt Damon, who most people seem to adore.
Let's be honest here - the US government wouldn't be any more transparent in a comparable case. All to keep the peace. Ask yourself: what did the US populace really know about what happened, in "Three Mile Island"/Harrisburg, in 1979? And what did the rest of the world know? And when did everyone know about it?
I dont remember the entire are being evacuated or millions of people getting cancer from that incident...comparing the USSR level of surveillance with the USA in the 80's it's like comparing an ocean with a lake😂
9:35 What you're missing is that the censor should have given her NOTHING but he most likely knew what she was looking for, what she was doing and what she needed
The 90 second group was send to the most dangerous roof. The offical assumption was that 2 minutes would cut your life expendency in half. 90 seconds was then deemd "safe enough". Officially no man ought to have gone more often than once. Some swaped with their commerades though so they did not have to go up at all. Also this is sadly one of the most problematic line the show sells to us. The whole the baby absorbed the radiation thing certainly is how the womand describes it in her retelling of her story. It is not how any medical professional both in the USSR nor in the West would describe what happened. It is certainly possible that radiation played a role in the babys death. But that is radiation she absorbed simpyl from being close to the reactor during the event and for quite some time after (not from being in close proximity with a deconterminated patient) and the baby did not absorb radiation for the mother, because that is simply not how that works ...
@@porirvian8457 which given that she is a fictional character representing the scientific community a strange choice. And still one they could have come clean in the last episode where they came clean about other stuff. A line lik: "this plot was presented in a way the general population saw it to emphasize the discrimination the surviving evacuees from the area faced" would have been sufficient. With the addition of a short line of the real explanation. The way the show leaves it one could argue the people faced discrimination for an actual good reason because apparently radiation is contagious ...
Bacho is Georgian and Garo is Armenian both Caucasian guys and they always had famous banter historically like who is older and better looking etc. Also Bacho is just perfect representation of Georgian man - tough, dominant but stil very compassionate and who will not let his shitty life make him depressed so he accapted his fate living under the USSR
6:50 - to take from a documentary: " as if unaware of the danger, they eat, sleep and work right on the premises" 10:00 - this is a sticky substance called Burbur, basically it binds the radioactive dusts into clumps as it falls to the ground 12:00 the photo is the second photo taken by Igor Kostien, he was the first photographer on scene and took several pictures, even a video recording, he did however, open the helicopter window close to the reactor, not realizing how big a mistake it was, once he proceased the pictures, he found the colours faded and blurry because of the radiation affecting the camera
Yes, I have seen those pictures they are still radiocativ. He is one of the heros too as he voluntered for cleaning rubble from one of the roofs nonetheless.
Fun fact: Pacho, the guy with the big nose, is a Swedish actor and his brother Josef Fares owns a gaming studio and made most recently It Takes Two! Would love to see you play it on your gaming channel. Quite a talented family!
11:17 Nah, time lag between the Moon and Earth is only seconds. 7 minutes is closer to Earth and Sun distance (which is around 8 minutes). Still, seconds of lag is a hassle and a half, hence why we rarely do direct control of rovers; usually it’s more like a sequence of commands. Also, that great shot of the Apollo 17 (I blieve it was) lander taking off from the Moon, where the motorised camera tracks it as it rises: all those commands had to sent ahead of time to match the take-off when it happened a few seconds later.
@@joshuacoldwater true, for one-way broadcast. Though for something like driving a rover you also need to get the camera/sensor feed back as well, so perceived lag will be double that
I loved the fact that the man who had seen war and has to live with nightmares of killing men took the burden of killing the momma dog and her puppies so that the kid didn't have to suffer the nightmares he does. I found that so honorable on his part since the kid was just drafted for this clean up and never saw the horrors of war or death before and didn't need to add killing innocent puppies to his already terrible trauma. I feel like nobody really comments on this detail but I love it. Probably my favorite mini series ever despite the brutality of everything! So much love to everyone who sadly passed to this tragedy and everyone who still suffers after it 💜💜💜
The dogs of Chernobyl survived, and are still there to this day. They have short life spans, but they are still there. You should look into the recent stories about the dogs of Chernobyl.
There was a charity founded by scientists after they came home. They sent food, money and medical vet supplies to the permanent caretakers on the exclusion zone. It struggled during the Covid outbreak. I don't know if they can get in now with the war.
I'll be honest. I was ugly crying by the end of this episode. It took such an emotional toll on me with the animals being killed like they were, I could not watch the last episode before a hiatus of a whole day😢😢 Hope you enjoy the last one too
Episode 5 is the ‘Meat and Potatoes’, you guys are in for an unforgettable experience. Your reactions are genuine and trust me we all felt the same way. A favor to ask… PLEASE include the entire epilogue in Ep5 in your reaction. Gut wrenching, but reveals the depth of the coverup and how it was exposed. Greatest series ever made! “…and now I wonder at the Cost of Lies!”
The opening showed how tragic the entire 20th century was for the Ukraine. From WW1 to the Russian Revolution, to Stalin's purges and the Soviet collective farms, to anti-Semitism, to WW2, and then the abuses of post-WW2 Soviet rule. Ukraine deserves our love and support.
For those interested in another account of the effect of radiation on people, I suggest Masuji Ibuse's 1965 novel "Black Rain". It relates the experience of living in Hiroshima before, during and after the atomic bomb drop from the perspective of one family. While a novel, Ibuse incorporated real accounts from diaries and testimonies of 'hibakusha' (survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki). Written just 20 years after the event, it illustrates (like this series) the limitations that even very smart and well-intentioned people operate under when dealing with new technology. Cautionary tales that are just as relevant today.
There is also a documentary on hbo called White light, black rain, which has interviews with survivors and decentants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I thought it was very good.
the dogs that live in Chernobyl NOW have had some interesting things happen to their DNA, an ability to fight off cancer, you should look up info on that, mind blowing
I read those studies too. Almost all exposed mammals seem to be immune to cancers now after several generations. The shorter the lifespan and reproduction cycle, the more immunity they gathered. It seems the radiation hormesis theory acutually works, at least for animals. But for humans, their lifecycle is too long to actually have measurable effects in a 30 year span. Maybe if 10 generations of humans were exposed to high levels of background radiation we may see cancer rates to cease. People living in areas of high natural background radiation like in Ramsar are known for their low cancer rates.
This is a tough episode. I'm reading a book called "Meltdown," about the history of accidents involving radioactive stuff, either in manufacturing or from power plants. The Soviets had an accident involving highly radioactive waste in a tank that blew up when it got too hot. This was in the 1950s, and they killed all the pets and farm animals just like in this episode, so that the people who were evacuated would not have a reason to go back.
Just to clear something up: The health risk to smoking was well known in the 80's. Even publicly. I learned of the risks when I was in 5th Grade. In 1986, the exact year this happened. But if you consider that in the west no one seemed to care, they would bother even less in the SU.
Funny enough, The Soviet Government was the 1st to condemn the use of Tobacco products, this occurred in the late 70s. After this happened, most Soviets switched to unfiltered cigarettes made at their local shops. The number of Soviet Smokers almost tripled in percentage through the 80s. Their government’s condemnation never wavered. Some giver systems that appear wrong to us can still make the right decisions, it is all about the population’s choice.
The thing they didn't know was the Lead shielding and armor was a 1 time use. The lead absorbs the radiation and if you don't replace it with the new lead shielding you carry all the radiation it absorbed with you
That is not how radiation works. Lead does not become radioactive when exposed to gamma radiation. It would only be activated by neutron radiation (like all metals), which was not present after the explosion.
My wife and me had to watch this top to bottom, all episodes back to back. It was so intense that we couldnt sleep until we Finished it. Amazing storytelling, visuals, and acting.
I think the close-up on both Legasov’s and Dyatlov’s cigarettes was to show that they both have real insight into truth and lies. We heard Legasov talk about that in the opening minutes of the show, and here, Dyatlov is saying the exact same thing.
Watch the branding - who has western brands and who has unfiltered. It's the difference between who has the money to smuggle in illegal western cigs vs unfilitered russian crap ones
15:48 Great point from Oak. Never thought of it this way. At this point in, we're four months after the explosion. Those poor pets were definitely already suffering from radiation-related illnesses.
There were stories of liquididators coming across an animal on a rock, partially melted into it. Initially they thought it was a lizard or something, until it meowed.
@@Tyranidlord556 That seems to be some exaggeration. Radiation does not work that way. Nothing "melts" or "fuses" to something at those radiation doses. Especially not living beings. They just die after a high enough accumulated dose because cell growth and renewal mechanisms are no longer working.
This is one of the roughest episodes of a TV series I've watched. It sounds dramatic, but please do something fun after you watch, boys. Its a rough one!
48:26 - There are hundreds of documentaries on Chernobyl. Some on how the accident happened, some on the effects on the people still there today, and some created to teach nuclear students about what went wrong. There is a large issue with documentaries that people NEVER address, and that is who is making the documentary. The issue often falls with WHERE that person IS FROM, WHEN was that person born, WHAT type of company is backing the documentary, and WHO is the audience that they are interested in appealing to. Here is a perfect (fake) example, a documentary made by Adi Aris who is Russian born in 1967 has full funding from the state nuclear council and is creating the film for Russian Nuclear Students. Now, what do you believe that documentary would ACTUALLY contain? I can tell you, I’ve seen one of them. Chernobyl was an “accidental fire” that expanded into the reactor hall and caused a building collapse. When the building collapsed it exposed some radioactive material that needed to be regulated. That is the reason they built an entire cement building around it, and now the giant dome. This is what they teach the children and more importantly the soldiers in Russia. So, when they invaded Ukraine, which they did AT CHERNOBYL, the soldiers dug up parts of the ground to create defense mounds. They walked through forests and parking lots that have NEVER been touched post-accident. They did this all, because in their minds it was just a fire. So no, I wouldn’t trust a word in that documentary. Now the complete opposite would be a Documentary made by Zach Ryan who was born in LA in 2002, he is self funded and wanted to make a film to launch his career. I can’t explain the amount of ways that this young man would have NO IDEA what he was talking about. I don’t believe that you have to have lived through the tragedy, but at least a tragedy similar. Documentaries have to have a CLEAR purpose, and that used to be educating the people. Now, with streaming it is having the “best story” or telling it a “different way”. There is also no system to check the information used or stated in a documentary. It is trusted. There are hundreds of “9/11 was created by the US government” DOCUMENTARIES out there. People just rambling on about whatever they felt like saying that day. It is CRAZY. So no, I also don’t trust a documentary like that and I’ve seen 4 of them before. So what does that leave? A show like this, or a FILM like The Impossible, or Oppenheimer. Is every line correct? Nope. They actually have a nice little credit scene with facts on the screen, and a few changes they made. THAT is honesty. To me, taking an event and turning it into a life passion project is what needs to happen. I’ve watched people complain on these videos stating that things aren’t correct, or this isn’t right, blah blah blah. BUT I’ve also read the ACTUAL documents from that time, I have seen MULTIPLE interviews with people who are still alive and where there (even a hospital worker)- they all have said it is the closest to what actually occurred that they have seen. So, this show, I can trust this and the HARD evidence that I have read. Documentaries though, they just no longer have people with passion.
I watched this series some time ago and I love your reactions so much that I decided to watch this. You guys are all awesome. There are pics online of the elephant foot (a pile of highly radioactive material) at the site. The blatant disregard for human life really shows what's important to them. In any case, thank you for this
Whats crazy about this episode is the biorobots scene of them shoveling the roof is real its near perfect footage but in the actual footage you can see the camera getting messed up from the radiation
I highly recommend watching the video "The Dogs of Chernobyl" to see what's happened to the surviving dogs of the region. They've breeded into the world's most beautiful dogs, highly intelligent wild pack dogs who most are friendly to humans. You can pet them, mindful of washing well to remove contaminated particles, and they do have shorter lifespans. But man are they beautiful.
There are estimated to be around 600 dogs still living in the Chernobyl exclusion zone. They are fed by workers from the three other nuclear plants, scientists and other visitors. Also there is a group called Clean Futures Foundation that is taking care of the animals needs for food and medical needs. Also it has a spay and neuter program to try to naturally lower the dog population. It also has found that alot of the dogs once they are washed have acceptable levels of radiation. In fact some dogs have been sent to america and other countries for adoption with help from the SPCA.
the interesting thing is, they are being studied because they are developing some resistance to cancer due to being exposed to radiation for the past 35 years
And then russian barbarians came in 2022 and started digging tranches in red forest and sleeping in them and destroyed all laboratories there and officers were touching and examining radioactive tools and stuff
I remember watching this episode and then coming to work the next day - I was digitizing a memoir about Chernobyl, and I saw the exact same picture of scientists operating the lunokhods, I work for rosatom's library, and I have an immense respect for the film crew and their attention to details (also my boss worked at Chernobyl in the 90s until they shut down the remaining reactors).
The area being evacuated is mostly in Ukraine, which suffered terribly during Stalin’s pogroms (including efforts to cause mass starvation there) and the Nazi occupation. Hence the old woman’s I’ve-seen-it-all… it-can’t-get-any-worse attitude.
20:09 such an amazing performance, i can only imagine how people like Legasov and Scherbina must have reacted in real life dealing with every roadblock. Im pretty sure Skaarsgard got it at least close to right though
I have watched a lot of tragic stories based on true events. And i have seen this show like 7 times yet every time i time I see this show it lefts me in such a weird mood. Almost like I became numb and for a while I just need to soak in the stuff I just witnessed actually happend in the history. The way they filmed this show is just peak cinematografy. I just sit in utter silence just like Oak does xD
The animals: Dogs and cats that go feral will return to their predatory nature. They will hunt mice, small birds, beetles, and other small wild animals and insects. Packs of wild dogs will even go after small deer or fawns, feral pigs, sheep, etc. So that means that the prey animals are eating plants that are growing in contaminated soil, and then the cats and dogs are eating those animals and drinking contaminated water. This means that the radioactive material is concentrated in the higher predators.
This show did take artistic license in many ways, but it was done for impact. I feel like it was done very well. The time some of what is shown in the show would take far to long to make viewers understand the horrors this tragedy caused.
The moon is MUCH closer than 7 light minutes of delay away from Earth, equivalent to about 1.3 light seconds worth of delay. The one on the left must have confused Moon rovers with Mars rovers. The time delay on communicating with Mars rovers will be over 20 minutes - which means that every movement must be choreographed because you can't find out if you made a mistake for over 20 minutes, and you can't correct it for over 40 minutes. The time delay on something like New Horizons (out past Pluto) is more like over 20 hours.
It is somewhat ironic that shortly after you posted this video, news came out that cancer-resistant mutant wolves have moved into and thrived in the exclusion zone around the city of Chernobyl. They are being studied in the hopes of learning how resistance to cancer can be developed in humans.
Hey guys, great reaction. I have watched the series a few times and the scene where she's trying to get information at the library has two possible motives imo. The more likely is that all those titles were denied bc of censorship of USSR. But I later wondered in a later watch if he was a fellow scientist that highlighted the title that would explain the explosion for her and crossed out the others bc they wouldn't provide any usable info. Since I'm here early after the upload, just an FYI that the title card in the reaction section says 1x3 instead of 1x4. I don't think it matters in the slightest but wasn't sure if you'd care. Excited for you all to see the final episode, does a great job explaining everything.
Russian soldiers (during this current war they're in) were digging in the mud that was still radioactive. They would sleep in those holes or hide. I wonder about that a lot. What radiation is left over and how it affects current events.
It’s not the little things where they took liberties. It’s the larger things like the baby absorbing the radiation protecting the mother. That’s complete crap.
Technical inaccuracies aside, I think what this series does so well is show the amount of sacrifice required to deal with this, and it's certainly an indictment on their political system at the time.
11:15 Round trip time for signals to and from the moon is only around 2.5 seconds. Mars is the one with the delay of several minutes, between 5 and 20 minutes depending on where Earth and Mars are in their orbits.
I susbcribed with the first episode I really appreciate your thoughtful reaction and the final comments. My country is the western most part of Europe we were never in any real danger because of the sacrifice of all these people. Those days are forever in my memory.
-what you saw from the helicopters is lignosulphunate or a product called "bourda", meaning molasses. It was used to bound to the radioactive dust to prevent it from being blown and carried by the wind. -Moon is very close. it only take 2-3 seconds radiowave to travel there. 7-8 minutes far is the sun.
The real Dyatlov was nothing at all like this. He recognized the first night the core had exploded, when he himself went and examined the damage. He urged some people to go home and rest, but they refused. He was the Soviet Union's scapegoat because he was a very tough man, but pretty much everyone who worked with him also respected him a lot. I find myself very dissatisfied with this aspect of the series, because Dyatlov did not deserve this at all. They also omitted his devoted wife who stuck by him. Still, it is a great series. Truly GREAT.
The shots of the cigarettes are showing that the "loyal" high-ups are smoking illegally imported expensive, filtered cigarettes. Meanwhile the miners and such are smoking the USSR-made unfiltered ones. Sherbyna is the only exception that I have noticed.
Not-so-fun Facts: 1.The speech General Tarakanov gives to the soldiers about to go on the roof is real audio of the very speech the real general gave. And he repeated this speech to EACH of the 4 man groups. He did this day after day, hour for hour, again and again. 2. The footage seen on the TV screen during Tarakanov's speech, is actual real-life footage from the roof. The snippet shown is taken from footage made during the "Unstuck" operation, which leads me to... 3. Joker, the German robot did actually work in IRL; the operators did move some graphite from the roof with it. Sadly, Joker got stuck with its tracks on a piece of graphite and, as mentioned, men had to build a winch system to "unstuck" him. When this was finally done, Joker had spent so much time in the high radiation that he soon ceased to work. 4.Officially every one of the 3,828 men could go to the roof only once. This meant that their suits had to be produced for "one time use only." Despite this, it is said that some liquidators chose to go up several times, arguing that they "already done so" (and thus have to live with the consequence) and by going again "someone else would not have to waste their livef." Lastly, with each team removing some graphite, the radiation on the roof became less and less. So later cleanup teams could stay longer on the roof for their cleanup cycle.
I have enjoyed your reactions for the series Remember what I said"":Image is the most important that to the Russians"" Now its finally tells what and how its happened. The water in bottles was vodka L.M.A.O. I enjoyed your reactions. BE SURE YOUR WATCH AND PLAY EACH OTHE OF ENDING CREDITS...ok guys good job looking forward to next.
As of current war, russian soldiers who were assigned to plant bombs outside the Chernobyl power plant when they took over, they got sick and did vomit countless times. Even with all the ground removed, all the area surrounding the power plant is still highly radioactive and dangerous as hell... Also somehow sad. The animal control guys are getting paid 1000 rubles, while the plant workers in ep1 who literally had to go into the deadly water to prevent a massive global destruction only got 400... u_u
Sir, I would like to suggest you to watch another Indian film named "Salaar" that is full of Goosebumps like" KGF CH 2". In fact this film is from the makers of "KGF CH 2". This film has also a English dubbed version. So you can watch the film with clear understanding.
Probably not the right word to choose, but I really enjoyed watching this with you. All your comments were so thoughtful and so well delivered. It prompted me to think in different ways about now, what we were saying. I have seen the full documentary, so it was good to see it again but with a fresh perspective. I remember that when this happened here in the UK. We have stories in the press of radiation sweeping the world, which could even cause deformities in sheep and cattle in this country and across Europe. It really scared the world. But the Soviet Union, USSR, was a slow-moving, determined force. They cld not b seen as weak. IMO, not much has changed.
If you want to see Russian bureaucracy gone berserk to the detriment of people's lives, check out the amazing film "Citizen X". The true story of serial killer Andrei Chikatilo and the years it took to catch him (costing dozens of children their lives) because of just this kind of nonsense. Oh, and the movie is loaded with names. Boy, is it good.
😡 it pisses me off that there was so much jealousy, idealism, and social hierarchy during these times. Who gives a shxt about rank and title?! They literally had HOURS to save the world yet worried about who looks good to who 🙄🙄🙄
The events of Chernobyl is credited, by Gorbachev himself, as the tipping point that led to the disintegration of the USSR. The ashes symbolizes this disintegration.
46:40 - did not expect to comment on Chernobyl the moon landing. Yes, it was about perception of technology. That's why Sputnik was such gut punching to you guys in the time, because with such rocket, the enemy can put nuke anywhere quickly. But more importantly, yes, the moon landing happened. During on of the last apollo mission, a laser reflector mirror was placed near landing site, so with equipment for few dolars, you can ping the mirror and trace back the distance from the time.. so it is there. Or any photograph from russian or china or india or japan probes, that captured the leftovers from the apollo missions. Gosh. If even the "enemy" agrees that US did land on the moon, that it is just exercise in futility to generate stories like Kubric did that...
Moon landing.. did it happen? Well... Do you think the Soviets would have kept quiet if the TV and radio signals of the landing had not been coming from the moon? That is one thing I can guarantee you the Soviets both were able to check and absolutely checked. They probably kept their telescopes watching the rocket when they could as well. There was no Soviet hissy fit over "American Imperialist Lies" in this case. If that isn't proof enough, I don't know what is. Instead the Soviets decided to pretend there had been no race to get their first, despite their cosmonaut's public assurances they would get there first only a few years earlier.
One of the things about smoking in the soviet union was there wasn't always good or plentiful food. especially in the exclusion zone. cigarettes are an appetite suppressant. A lot of people and even children in soviet russia, smoked to curb their hunger. During this time in the 80's we were intentionally trying to bankrupt the USSR and their economy was in shambles. cigarettes were also infinitely cheaper than most other goods so it was easy to buy even if you had very little money
It's so interesting to me that during the shooting of dogs you feel the need to offer what amounts to a disclaimer where you make a point to speak about the justification for shooting the dogs almost as though the idea of innocent dogs being needlessly killed is more tragic than actual humans being killed in this or in any other movie/series - imagine feeling the need to apologize for The Boys and all the killing in that, for example. People love dogs more than other people. Not saying it's wrong, my dog is one of the 3 things I'd kill for lol - it's just an interesting observation
Hello! This is a dog trainer talking to you. All dogs living on earth are the product of crossbreeding different breeds for hundreds of years. But the origin remains the wolf. In this kind of situation, dogs very quickly free themselves from their dependence on humans, instinct takes over very quickly. The "pleasure" dogs will be devoured by those closest to their "natural" state, for a return... to the wolf...
Not-So-Fun Fact: When the call went out to conscript men for work as liquidators, the Soviet army gave the new recruits a fatalistic "choice" of where they could serve their time in service. They could either spend two years in Afghanistan, or two minutes at Chernobyl. An urban legend is that many of the soldiers chose to run headlong into a losing battle in Afghanistan rather than face the radiation.
This incident was one main reason behind the breaking of Soviet Union. It is hard to imagine the amount of human lives, resources, and billions of funds allocated for resolving the crisis? Also, during the same period, the country was at war in Afghan.. just added toll on their economy. This disaster has been estimated to cost some $235 billion in damages today's time.
I agree shooting the pets was a mercy. It was a mercy for those individual animals. Interestingly, though, it seems animal populations (or at least one) in the Chernobyl exclusion zone are evolving to resist the radiation. I read about a population of wolves that has done just that. Apparently, the mutation causes a different problem, but I don’t remember what it is. Hopefully, it will evolve out, too.
Tough episode here. What was your reaction? What did we miss?
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Very tough episode--and it needs to be. This series does a great job of getting across something that might otherwise be hard for folks who weren't there to understand the severity of what happened.
It's not important, but a fun little detail: the roof scene is a oner, a single shot with no takes. It's exactly 1:30.
Just a tough ep to get through overall. Such a gut punch.
Having a dosimeter on that roof is like having a moisture detector while scuba diving...
They didn’t actually have those. It’s part of the sound design. Everyone knows what that sound is and what it means. Having it play like that is how they show us just how deadly that area was.
Yeah, I think they didn't have it. Not only because it was useless in that context, but also because it would be demoralizing for men. Imagine having only 90 s to focus on that task with a constant reminder that you're being destroyed by something invisible.
They did constantly scan the levels on the roof, that was the only way to determine exposure time, as more and more was removed the allowable time on the roof increased
the characters carrying dosimeters during most of the scenes in this show is the equivalent of carrying a moisture detector while scuba diving
@@Lorlic1138 which is wholly unnecessary
Another thing about the smoking, the lower class people are shown smoking unfiltered cigarettes showing how disposable they are, while the upper class are smoking illegal cigarettes smuggled in from the west
too bad most of the poison of cigs is in the filters lol
@@jackson_craft_gamingscates9324 Yeah they're literally plastic and full of arsenic and chemicals. That's why cigarettes became so dangerous.
@@jackson_craft_gamingscates9324 I think the takeaway is that they're considered "higher quality" and therefore only the best of the best (or the most manipulative, depending on your situation) can have them... the people can go f%$@ themselves.
@@jackson_craft_gamingscates9324 lmao no. It's 2024 how are we still discussing cigarettes? Filters don't melt, they keep most of the tar out
Cigarette filters don’t contain only plastic, but also a cocktail of toxic substances: arsenic (rat poison!), lead, nicotine and pesticides. As the filter disintegrates, the chemicals seep into the soil or the water.
.... ur an absolute moron if u think this is information only contained in "media messaging"@@AL-fl4jk
About Legasov:
In real life he had a wife, grown/adult children, and grandchildren. So he had a lot to lose.
lose* but yah, I wonder if they had a cat though lol
He also did not live in a shabby apartment. He lived in a nice villa in walking distance from the Kurchatov institute where he worked.
He had a lot to lose, and he lost it all over Chernobyl.
I always took the cigarettes not only as historical accuracy but, if you are aware you have already recieved a dose of radiation large enough to riddle your body with cancer, you begin to care a lot less about your cigs giving you cancer.
I thought it might also be that American audiences (and maybe western audiences in general) tend to associate cigarettes with cancer, and the focus on the ashtrays is a reminder that there are all kinds of horrible health problems coming for most, if not all, of these people.
To me smoking a lot of cigaretts also shows a lot of pressure and stress.
This accident basically bankrupted the USSR. It fell apart soon afterwards.
For me, the liquidators will forever be the heroes of Chernobyl. Without them it would not have been possible to bring the sarcophagus over the reactor. Many of these liquidators have gone out there more than once.
This is exactly what I wanted to write! There are recordings of them in documentaries, it's amazing what they did and what the radiation did to their bodies is terrifying! As they sat and lay down in the hallway completely exhausted after only a few minutes of work. It really shows the overwhelming power of radiation and how it crushes a healthy and strong body in minutes. I will never forget, the liquidators are real heroes!
@@biankab390a lot of the fatigue was from wearing a lead suit…
Yes, they deserve a huge momument and an offical day in the calender to remember and honor them
Liquidators are until this day celebrated in Russia. They don’t get enough attention, but there is a place for them
them and those three men of course but agreed even if they were made to
27:27 The brutality of this simple line... "You're done."
Yeah......... He's "done" alright.
Yup, the emphasis of the actor on the word 'DONE' feels heavy af. The job is done, the supervisor meant 'your LIFE is done'.
The stuff the helicopters were dumping was lignosulphanate(sp?) meant to keep dust down and seal contamination down and keep it from getting blown around, it formed a film and resisted water, was good for binding dust down but also made washing equipment impossible, it was abandoned after a few weeks
The TV playing during the roof scene was actual footage
Well done. Like an overcooked steak.
Possibly, but likely not unless it actually scratched him too.
The shoes wouldn't have given so easily if they were lead lined.
So they were likely providing only minimal protection anyway.
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When this was broadcast, there was a hockey sportswriter named Slava Malamud who was originally from Ukraine who had a lot of praise for the accuracy of the sets and props, as well as the writing and performances. He said that he went to visit his father one day, and suggested that he watch Chernobyl with him. His father told him that he didn’t need to watch it-he had lived it. Only then did the son find out that his father had been one of those working in the restricted zone, doing clean-up. Luckily,, he was only there for a week or so before being transferred elsewhere for military purposes, so he didn’t have extended radiation exposure.
One the liquidators on the Masha roof said he could feel the radiation when he walked out among the rubble. It was like diving underwater where the senses reduced significantly; especially hearing and taste. The hearing was like being underwater or in a vacuum where only his steps could be heard.
Power lines used to give me a slight headache, so i can relate.. In a way. Only that is times a billion billion trillion.
25:35 That _is_ the most dangerous, thrid roof. The one where robots can’t work. Time and distance are the best protections, so 90 seconds is still massively better than 2 minutes. And even the 2 minutes don’t mean immediate death where you stand, but a higher probablilty of acute radiation poisoning, shortened lifespan and cancers. 90 seconds still carry all those risks, but less so. It’s a numbers game.
He said about 2 hours not minutes
@@Just_us1324 you are mistaking Masha for Katya
True. The biological resilience against radiation is not a linear relationship.
An amount of radiation that is deadly after 10 minutes can have so little effect after just 2 minutes that it becomes difficult to even measure any long term effect at all.
Converting radiation units should always be taken with a grain of salt, because they are different units for a reason, but 12,000 Röntgen per hour can be thought of as roughly 33mSv per second if my conversion formula didn't lie.
This should kill anyone who is unshielded after experiencing a little over 3 minutes of exposure, 50% after around 100 seconds, 10% after 45 seconds and below 30 seconds one would expect "radiation hangover" and other comparably "mild" consequences.
The idea that they could reasonably push things to 90 seconds with enough shielding is at the very least very plausible.
Although it must feel very weird to know that you experienced something for 90 seconds without any issues that would kill most people after 180 seconds.
The "90 seconds on the roof" scene is a MASTERPIECE- expertly shot, detailed and scored.
Search for Chernobyl 3282 on TH-cam and watch that half an hour. You will know where they got their details from.
PLEASE NOTE THAT IN THE FINALE THEY HAVE SCENES AFTER THE CREDITS!!!!!
18:15 to your point here Quinn, the reason you don’t do this is that at this moment, although everything is still radioactive, the radiation is somewhat settled. Blowing up the roof to drop the debris would send more radioactive ejecta into the air and more dispersed.
Interesting thing about the comment in the show about "bio-robots". I don't think many people realise that the word "robot" was popularised by a Czech author and it means something along of "the one that does things". It comes from the word "robota" meaning "work" in a lot of Slavic languages. But there is another word related to "robota" in some Slavic languages, especially Russian, and that is "rab". And it means a slave. You could say that to some, slaves were as disposable as those men who did all the work were for the Soviet State. Quite a chilling paralel when you think about it. I wonder if that line was just a coincidence or a purposeful approach.
There is a similar term in German in historic context. The work that a bondman/woman in the middle ages did on a farm was called "robot".
it’s “rabota” actually, not “robota”. sorry, i’m from russia and the misspelling bothered me a little.
you are confused and have it all upside down, this word "раб" (slave) comes out of the word "работа" (work) as it is constantly working. The word "работа" is much earlier than the word "раб". In this scene it's just a literary manoeuvre to feel the moment of hopelessness and gravity of the situation.
@@you_deserve_the_world robota is polish word
i hope you include the epilogue section in the last episode, lot of reaction channels miss out on that
13:10 I personally think the cigarettes are more about people resigned to their fates (and the usual filmic way to show stress). Cigarettes were known to be bad for you bsck then too, but for the people like the ones we see here who’d been at Chernobyl, would it even matter? Might as well light up
Yeah, we saw that in the first episode: one of the operators, right down by the core, was eating sunflower seeds in his office because he was giving up cigarettes. When he was dying from the radiation and another worker came by, asking if he could do anything to help, he asked for a cigarette. Why not, now that you've nothing left to lose?
The amount of radiation exposure is actually cumulative across a lifetime. There's no coming back again a day or a month later for those roof guys, they've taken a lifetimes worth of damage already. This is even applied today for those working around nuclear materials - they have a personal meter which records their lifetime exposure and if they reach certain limits they are done in that job.
You'll never be you again. But then you wake up the next morning and you're still you. And you realize: that was you all along. You just didn't know.
Excellent point regarding the animal culling. What it also did was save the wider gene pool from getting contamimated, sparing countless future generations of animals from painful disfigurements and mutations.
Culling is never pretty, but the alternative is much worse.
They were putting them out of their misery
Yo, I didn't remember Barry Keoghan was in this ep. Very cool.
It's the only place I know him from, lol
I saw him first in The Killing of a Sacred Deer and I wish I hadn't 😂 I always associate his face with the bizarro events of that film and he always just comes off as unsettling now.
His face was very different compared to Saltburn (2023). Always the same BS with actors - women more than men - nullifying their original look & feel. I guess he was tired of doing the boyish roles and playing someone younger than himself and bought himself a new jaw. He was already past 25 in Chernobyl. You don't grow an extra jaw when you hit thirty.
@@5050TMlol, I haven’t seen that so I assumed he played particularly “wholesome” characters until recent ones (first thing I saw him in was Dunkirk). I totally understand what you mean; I’ve always been that way about Matt Damon, who most people seem to adore.
Hes great in banshees of inisherin with colin ferrel
Let's be honest here - the US government wouldn't be any more transparent in a comparable case.
All to keep the peace.
Ask yourself: what did the US populace really know about what happened, in "Three Mile Island"/Harrisburg, in 1979?
And what did the rest of the world know?
And when did everyone know about it?
Oh, you mean like the Hanford Site? ;-)
US government lies endlessly.
Besided we don't even know today the whole truth about the events in Fukushima.
I dont remember the entire are being evacuated or millions of people getting cancer from that incident...comparing the USSR level of surveillance with the USA in the 80's it's like comparing an ocean with a lake😂
9:35 What you're missing is that the censor should have given her NOTHING but he most likely knew what she was looking for, what she was doing and what she needed
The 90 second group was send to the most dangerous roof. The offical assumption was that 2 minutes would cut your life expendency in half. 90 seconds was then deemd "safe enough". Officially no man ought to have gone more often than once. Some swaped with their commerades though so they did not have to go up at all.
Also this is sadly one of the most problematic line the show sells to us. The whole the baby absorbed the radiation thing certainly is how the womand describes it in her retelling of her story. It is not how any medical professional both in the USSR nor in the West would describe what happened. It is certainly possible that radiation played a role in the babys death. But that is radiation she absorbed simpyl from being close to the reactor during the event and for quite some time after (not from being in close proximity with a deconterminated patient) and the baby did not absorb radiation for the mother, because that is simply not how that works ...
I always took it as her trying to influence their decisions...
@@porirvian8457 which given that she is a fictional character representing the scientific community a strange choice. And still one they could have come clean in the last episode where they came clean about other stuff.
A line lik: "this plot was presented in a way the general population saw it to emphasize the discrimination the surviving evacuees from the area faced" would have been sufficient. With the addition of a short line of the real explanation.
The way the show leaves it one could argue the people faced discrimination for an actual good reason because apparently radiation is contagious ...
Bacho is Georgian and Garo is Armenian both Caucasian guys and they always had famous banter historically like who is older and better looking etc. Also Bacho is just perfect representation of Georgian man - tough, dominant but stil very compassionate and who will not let his shitty life make him depressed so he accapted his fate living under the USSR
I just noticed that at 10:36 one of the guy's surname is Jughashvili, Stalin's surname.
6:50 - to take from a documentary: " as if unaware of the danger, they eat, sleep and work right on the premises"
10:00 - this is a sticky substance called Burbur, basically it binds the radioactive dusts into clumps as it falls to the ground
12:00 the photo is the second photo taken by Igor Kostien, he was the first photographer on scene and took several pictures, even a video recording, he did however, open the helicopter window close to the reactor, not realizing how big a mistake it was, once he proceased the pictures, he found the colours faded and blurry because of the radiation affecting the camera
Yes, I have seen those pictures they are still radiocativ. He is one of the heros too as he voluntered for cleaning rubble from one of the roofs nonetheless.
Fun fact: Pacho, the guy with the big nose, is a Swedish actor and his brother Josef Fares owns a gaming studio and made most recently It Takes Two! Would love to see you play it on your gaming channel.
Quite a talented family!
Dude, i can see the resemblance, and i would love to see them a way out as well.
Btw, the guy's name (who played Pacho) is Fares Fares. :)
He is Ishamael in The Wheel of Time.
@@lennyvalentin6485 His parents knew what they were doing lmao
Pacho/Fares Fares also has a role in Rogue One!
11:17 Nah, time lag between the Moon and Earth is only seconds. 7 minutes is closer to Earth and Sun distance (which is around 8 minutes). Still, seconds of lag is a hassle and a half, hence why we rarely do direct control of rovers; usually it’s more like a sequence of commands. Also, that great shot of the Apollo 17 (I blieve it was) lander taking off from the Moon, where the motorised camera tracks it as it rises: all those commands had to sent ahead of time to match the take-off when it happened a few seconds later.
It’s not even seconds it’s 1.33 seconds to the moon.
@@joshuacoldwater true, for one-way broadcast. Though for something like driving a rover you also need to get the camera/sensor feed back as well, so perceived lag will be double that
The most personal episode to me. Cheers from Ukraine!
I loved the fact that the man who had seen war and has to live with nightmares of killing men took the burden of killing the momma dog and her puppies so that the kid didn't have to suffer the nightmares he does. I found that so honorable on his part since the kid was just drafted for this clean up and never saw the horrors of war or death before and didn't need to add killing innocent puppies to his already terrible trauma. I feel like nobody really comments on this detail but I love it. Probably my favorite mini series ever despite the brutality of everything! So much love to everyone who sadly passed to this tragedy and everyone who still suffers after it 💜💜💜
The dogs of Chernobyl survived, and are still there to this day. They have short life spans, but they are still there. You should look into the recent stories about the dogs of Chernobyl.
There was a charity founded by scientists after they came home. They sent food, money and medical vet supplies to the permanent caretakers on the exclusion zone. It struggled during the Covid outbreak. I don't know if they can get in now with the war.
Wolves too. But it is also true that troups were sent there to shoot them.
For wild dogs they actually have a rather long lifespan compared to other parts of the world.
I'll be honest. I was ugly crying by the end of this episode. It took such an emotional toll on me with the animals being killed like they were, I could not watch the last episode before a hiatus of a whole day😢😢 Hope you enjoy the last one too
Episode 5 is the ‘Meat and Potatoes’, you guys are in for an unforgettable experience. Your reactions are genuine and trust me we all felt the same way. A favor to ask… PLEASE include the entire epilogue in Ep5 in your reaction. Gut wrenching, but reveals the depth of the coverup and how it was exposed. Greatest series ever made! “…and now I wonder at the Cost of Lies!”
The opening showed how tragic the entire 20th century was for the Ukraine. From WW1 to the Russian Revolution, to Stalin's purges and the Soviet collective farms, to anti-Semitism, to WW2, and then the abuses of post-WW2 Soviet rule. Ukraine deserves our love and support.
Not to forget the Holodomor! 😢
Thank you from Ukraine!
I AM EARLY, READY, WILLING AND ABLE for another great reaction :D
For those interested in another account of the effect of radiation on people, I suggest Masuji Ibuse's 1965 novel "Black Rain". It relates the experience of living in Hiroshima before, during and after the atomic bomb drop from the perspective of one family. While a novel, Ibuse incorporated real accounts from diaries and testimonies of 'hibakusha' (survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki).
Written just 20 years after the event, it illustrates (like this series) the limitations that even very smart and well-intentioned people operate under when dealing with new technology. Cautionary tales that are just as relevant today.
There is also a documentary on hbo called White light, black rain, which has interviews with survivors and decentants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I thought it was very good.
the dogs that live in Chernobyl NOW have had some interesting things happen to their DNA, an ability to fight off cancer, you should look up info on that, mind blowing
I read those studies too. Almost all exposed mammals seem to be immune to cancers now after several generations. The shorter the lifespan and reproduction cycle, the more immunity they gathered.
It seems the radiation hormesis theory acutually works, at least for animals. But for humans, their lifecycle is too long to actually have measurable effects in a 30 year span.
Maybe if 10 generations of humans were exposed to high levels of background radiation we may see cancer rates to cease.
People living in areas of high natural background radiation like in Ramsar are known for their low cancer rates.
This is a tough episode. I'm reading a book called "Meltdown," about the history of accidents involving radioactive stuff, either in manufacturing or from power plants. The Soviets had an accident involving highly radioactive waste in a tank that blew up when it got too hot. This was in the 1950s, and they killed all the pets and farm animals just like in this episode, so that the people who were evacuated would not have a reason to go back.
Just to clear something up: The health risk to smoking was well known in the 80's. Even publicly. I learned of the risks when I was in 5th Grade. In 1986, the exact year this happened. But if you consider that in the west no one seemed to care, they would bother even less in the SU.
Funny enough, The Soviet Government was the 1st to condemn the use of Tobacco products, this occurred in the late 70s. After this happened, most Soviets switched to unfiltered cigarettes made at their local shops. The number of Soviet Smokers almost tripled in percentage through the 80s. Their government’s condemnation never wavered.
Some giver systems that appear wrong to us can still make the right decisions, it is all about the population’s choice.
The thing they didn't know was the Lead shielding and armor was a 1 time use. The lead absorbs the radiation and if you don't replace it with the new lead shielding you carry all the radiation it absorbed with you
That is not how radiation works. Lead does not become radioactive when exposed to gamma radiation. It would only be activated by neutron radiation (like all metals), which was not present after the explosion.
Glad to be watching this along with you guys. Feel so honored by the stellar performances of everyone involved in the series ❤
My wife and me had to watch this top to bottom, all episodes back to back. It was so intense that we couldnt sleep until we Finished it. Amazing storytelling, visuals, and acting.
I think the close-up on both Legasov’s and Dyatlov’s cigarettes was to show that they both have real insight into truth and lies. We heard Legasov talk about that in the opening minutes of the show, and here, Dyatlov is saying the exact same thing.
Watch the branding - who has western brands and who has unfiltered. It's the difference between who has the money to smuggle in illegal western cigs vs unfilitered russian crap ones
@@caylem00 I think it was less to do with money - the wage gap in the USSR was tiny - and much more to do with what connections you had.
@@tommcewan7936 It's essentially the same thing.
Wealth is power amd vice versa.
15:48 Great point from Oak. Never thought of it this way. At this point in, we're four months after the explosion. Those poor pets were definitely already suffering from radiation-related illnesses.
There were stories of liquididators coming across an animal on a rock, partially melted into it. Initially they thought it was a lizard or something, until it meowed.
@@Tyranidlord556 That seems to be some exaggeration. Radiation does not work that way. Nothing "melts" or "fuses" to something at those radiation doses. Especially not living beings. They just die after a high enough accumulated dose because cell growth and renewal mechanisms are no longer working.
This is one of the roughest episodes of a TV series I've watched. It sounds dramatic, but please do something fun after you watch, boys. Its a rough one!
48:26 - There are hundreds of documentaries on Chernobyl. Some on how the accident happened, some on the effects on the people still there today, and some created to teach nuclear students about what went wrong. There is a large issue with documentaries that people NEVER address, and that is who is making the documentary. The issue often falls with WHERE that person IS FROM, WHEN was that person born, WHAT type of company is backing the documentary, and WHO is the audience that they are interested in appealing to. Here is a perfect (fake) example, a documentary made by Adi Aris who is Russian born in 1967 has full funding from the state nuclear council and is creating the film for Russian Nuclear Students. Now, what do you believe that documentary would ACTUALLY contain? I can tell you, I’ve seen one of them. Chernobyl was an “accidental fire” that expanded into the reactor hall and caused a building collapse. When the building collapsed it exposed some radioactive material that needed to be regulated. That is the reason they built an entire cement building around it, and now the giant dome. This is what they teach the children and more importantly the soldiers in Russia. So, when they invaded Ukraine, which they did AT CHERNOBYL, the soldiers dug up parts of the ground to create defense mounds. They walked through forests and parking lots that have NEVER been touched post-accident. They did this all, because in their minds it was just a fire. So no, I wouldn’t trust a word in that documentary. Now the complete opposite would be a Documentary made by Zach Ryan who was born in LA in 2002, he is self funded and wanted to make a film to launch his career. I can’t explain the amount of ways that this young man would have NO IDEA what he was talking about. I don’t believe that you have to have lived through the tragedy, but at least a tragedy similar. Documentaries have to have a CLEAR purpose, and that used to be educating the people. Now, with streaming it is having the “best story” or telling it a “different way”. There is also no system to check the information used or stated in a documentary. It is trusted. There are hundreds of “9/11 was created by the US government” DOCUMENTARIES out there. People just rambling on about whatever they felt like saying that day. It is CRAZY. So no, I also don’t trust a documentary like that and I’ve seen 4 of them before.
So what does that leave? A show like this, or a FILM like The Impossible, or Oppenheimer. Is every line correct? Nope. They actually have a nice little credit scene with facts on the screen, and a few changes they made. THAT is honesty. To me, taking an event and turning it into a life passion project is what needs to happen. I’ve watched people complain on these videos stating that things aren’t correct, or this isn’t right, blah blah blah. BUT I’ve also read the ACTUAL documents from that time, I have seen MULTIPLE interviews with people who are still alive and where there (even a hospital worker)- they all have said it is the closest to what actually occurred that they have seen. So, this show, I can trust this and the HARD evidence that I have read. Documentaries though, they just no longer have people with passion.
6:16 Ah yeah, totally bottled water. One wouldn't want soldiers to get drunk on the job, not in the Soviet army, no Sir.
60% bottled water... ;) Maybe less. lol
15:40 Nope. The descendants of dogs that survived this massacre are thriving and many have evolved a resistance to radiation.
that captain of the animal control group, i can't help but think he got a few messed up people who caused him to make rule 2.
6:20 bottled water HA! This is RUSSIA
I watched this series some time ago and I love your reactions so much that I decided to watch this. You guys are all awesome. There are pics online of the elephant foot (a pile of highly radioactive material) at the site. The blatant disregard for human life really shows what's important to them. In any case, thank you for this
Whats crazy about this episode is the biorobots scene of them shoveling the roof is real its near perfect footage but in the actual footage you can see the camera getting messed up from the radiation
I highly recommend watching the video "The Dogs of Chernobyl" to see what's happened to the surviving dogs of the region. They've breeded into the world's most beautiful dogs, highly intelligent wild pack dogs who most are friendly to humans. You can pet them, mindful of washing well to remove contaminated particles, and they do have shorter lifespans. But man are they beautiful.
Oh boy, this episode! No words, just tears.
There are estimated to be around 600 dogs still living in the Chernobyl exclusion zone. They are fed by workers from the three other nuclear plants, scientists and other visitors. Also there is a group called Clean Futures Foundation that is taking care of the animals needs for food and medical needs. Also it has a spay and neuter program to try to naturally lower the dog population. It also has found that alot of the dogs once they are washed have acceptable levels of radiation. In fact some dogs have been sent to america and other countries for adoption with help from the SPCA.
the interesting thing is, they are being studied because they are developing some resistance to cancer due to being exposed to radiation for the past 35 years
Hey Oak. I know your a gym jock, but if radiation can pass through feet of concrete, a piece of cloth on your face won't stop it.😮
And then russian barbarians came in 2022 and started digging tranches in red forest and sleeping in them and destroyed all laboratories there and officers were touching and examining radioactive tools and stuff
I remember watching this episode and then coming to work the next day - I was digitizing a memoir about Chernobyl, and I saw the exact same picture of scientists operating the lunokhods, I work for rosatom's library, and I have an immense respect for the film crew and their attention to details (also my boss worked at Chernobyl in the 90s until they shut down the remaining reactors).
I believe General Tarakanov actually shook the hand of all 3828 men that cleared that roof
The area being evacuated is mostly in Ukraine, which suffered terribly during Stalin’s pogroms (including efforts to cause mass starvation there) and the Nazi occupation. Hence the old woman’s I’ve-seen-it-all… it-can’t-get-any-worse attitude.
20:09 such an amazing performance, i can only imagine how people like Legasov and Scherbina must have reacted in real life dealing with every roadblock. Im pretty sure Skaarsgard got it at least close to right though
The debris:
there were pieces of control rods found up to 120 km (70 miles) away.
I have watched a lot of tragic stories based on true events. And i have seen this show like 7 times yet every time i time I see this show it lefts me in such a weird mood. Almost like I became numb and for a while I just need to soak in the stuff I just witnessed actually happend in the history. The way they filmed this show is just peak cinematografy.
I just sit in utter silence just like Oak does xD
The animals:
Dogs and cats that go feral will return to their predatory nature. They will hunt mice, small birds, beetles, and other small wild animals and insects. Packs of wild dogs will even go after small deer or fawns, feral pigs, sheep, etc. So that means that the prey animals are eating plants that are growing in contaminated soil, and then the cats and dogs are eating those animals and drinking contaminated water. This means that the radioactive material is concentrated in the higher predators.
Господа! Если вы незнали но в США и во всем миер тоже были ядеорерные касторрофы так то! Тоже были катосторофы на АЭС! изучите свою истррию!
This show did take artistic license in many ways, but it was done for impact. I feel like it was done very well. The time some of what is shown in the show would take far to long to make viewers understand the horrors this tragedy caused.
The moon is MUCH closer than 7 light minutes of delay away from Earth, equivalent to about 1.3 light seconds worth of delay.
The one on the left must have confused Moon rovers with Mars rovers.
The time delay on communicating with Mars rovers will be over 20 minutes - which means that every movement must be choreographed because you can't find out if you made a mistake for over 20 minutes, and you can't correct it for over 40 minutes.
The time delay on something like New Horizons (out past Pluto) is more like over 20 hours.
If I remember correctly the US did offer assistance.
It is somewhat ironic that shortly after you posted this video, news came out that cancer-resistant mutant wolves have moved into and thrived in the exclusion zone around the city of Chernobyl. They are being studied in the hopes of learning how resistance to cancer can be developed in humans.
Hey guys, great reaction.
I have watched the series a few times and the scene where she's trying to get information at the library has two possible motives imo. The more likely is that all those titles were denied bc of censorship of USSR.
But I later wondered in a later watch if he was a fellow scientist that highlighted the title that would explain the explosion for her and crossed out the others bc they wouldn't provide any usable info.
Since I'm here early after the upload, just an FYI that the title card in the reaction section says 1x3 instead of 1x4. I don't think it matters in the slightest but wasn't sure if you'd care.
Excited for you all to see the final episode, does a great job explaining everything.
Russian soldiers (during this current war they're in) were digging in the mud that was still radioactive. They would sleep in those holes or hide. I wonder about that a lot. What radiation is left over and how it affects current events.
It’s not the little things where they took liberties. It’s the larger things like the baby absorbing the radiation protecting the mother. That’s complete crap.
While it was scientifically inaccurate, it was historically accurate as the people at that time do believe it was possible.
Technical inaccuracies aside, I think what this series does so well is show the amount of sacrifice required to deal with this, and it's certainly an indictment on their political system at the time.
What happened to your phone?
It fell down some stairs.
11:15 Round trip time for signals to and from the moon is only around 2.5 seconds. Mars is the one with the delay of several minutes, between 5 and 20 minutes depending on where Earth and Mars are in their orbits.
I susbcribed with the first episode I really appreciate your thoughtful reaction and the final comments. My country is the western most part of Europe we were never in any real danger because of the sacrifice of all these people. Those days are forever in my memory.
-what you saw from the helicopters is lignosulphunate or a product called "bourda", meaning molasses. It was used to bound to the radioactive dust to prevent it from being blown and carried by the wind.
-Moon is very close. it only take 2-3 seconds radiowave to travel there. 7-8 minutes far is the sun.
Appreciate the regular content you guys put out. Always great videos 😁
The real Dyatlov was nothing at all like this. He recognized the first night the core had exploded, when he himself went and examined the damage. He urged some people to go home and rest, but they refused. He was the Soviet Union's scapegoat because he was a very tough man, but pretty much everyone who worked with him also respected him a lot. I find myself very dissatisfied with this aspect of the series, because Dyatlov did not deserve this at all. They also omitted his devoted wife who stuck by him.
Still, it is a great series. Truly GREAT.
The shots of the cigarettes are showing that the "loyal" high-ups are smoking illegally imported expensive, filtered cigarettes.
Meanwhile the miners and such are smoking the USSR-made unfiltered ones.
Sherbyna is the only exception that I have noticed.
Not-so-fun Facts:
1.The speech General Tarakanov gives to the soldiers about to go on the roof is real audio of the very speech the real general gave. And he repeated this speech to EACH of the 4 man groups. He did this day after day, hour for hour, again and again.
2. The footage seen on the TV screen during Tarakanov's speech, is actual real-life footage from the roof. The snippet shown is taken from footage made during the "Unstuck" operation, which leads me to...
3. Joker, the German robot did actually work in IRL; the operators did move some graphite from the roof with it. Sadly, Joker got stuck with its tracks on a piece of graphite and, as mentioned, men had to build a winch system to "unstuck" him. When this was finally done, Joker had spent so much time in the high radiation that he soon ceased to work.
4.Officially every one of the 3,828 men could go to the roof only once. This meant that their suits had to be produced for "one time use only." Despite this, it is said that some liquidators chose to go up several times, arguing that they "already done so" (and thus have to live with the consequence) and by going again "someone else would not have to waste their livef."
Lastly, with each team removing some graphite, the radiation on the roof became less and less. So later cleanup teams could stay longer on the roof for their cleanup cycle.
I have enjoyed your reactions for the series Remember what I said"":Image is the most important that to the Russians"" Now its finally tells what and how its happened. The water in bottles was vodka L.M.A.O. I enjoyed your reactions.
BE SURE YOUR WATCH AND PLAY EACH OTHE OF ENDING CREDITS...ok guys good job looking forward to next.
As of current war, russian soldiers who were assigned to plant bombs outside the Chernobyl power plant when they took over, they got sick and did vomit countless times. Even with all the ground removed, all the area surrounding the power plant is still highly radioactive and dangerous as hell...
Also somehow sad. The animal control guys are getting paid 1000 rubles, while the plant workers in ep1 who literally had to go into the deadly water to prevent a massive global destruction only got 400... u_u
I remember when this happened. We were so worried about the radiation for our relatives in Germany.
Sir, I would like to suggest you to watch another Indian film named "Salaar" that is full of Goosebumps like" KGF CH 2". In fact this film is from the makers of "KGF CH 2". This film has also a English dubbed version. So you can watch the film with clear understanding.
Probably not the right word to choose, but I really enjoyed watching this with you. All your comments were so thoughtful and so well delivered. It prompted me to think in different ways about now, what we were saying. I have seen the full documentary, so it was good to see it again but with a fresh perspective. I remember that when this happened here in the UK. We have stories in the press of radiation sweeping the world, which could even cause deformities in sheep and cattle in this country and across Europe. It really scared the world. But the Soviet Union, USSR, was a slow-moving, determined force. They cld not b seen as weak. IMO, not much has changed.
If you want to see Russian bureaucracy gone berserk to the detriment of people's lives, check out the amazing film "Citizen X". The true story of serial killer Andrei Chikatilo and the years it took to catch him (costing dozens of children their lives) because of just this kind of nonsense. Oh, and the movie is loaded with names. Boy, is it good.
😡 it pisses me off that there was so much jealousy, idealism, and social hierarchy during these times. Who gives a shxt about rank and title?! They literally had HOURS to save the world yet worried about who looks good to who 🙄🙄🙄
omg what a great timing! i also finish watching this in one setting 3 days ago! xD now i get to watched this again with these guys!
The events of Chernobyl is credited, by Gorbachev himself, as the tipping point that led to the disintegration of the USSR.
The ashes symbolizes this disintegration.
46:40 - did not expect to comment on Chernobyl the moon landing. Yes, it was about perception of technology. That's why Sputnik was such gut punching to you guys in the time, because with such rocket, the enemy can put nuke anywhere quickly. But more importantly, yes, the moon landing happened. During on of the last apollo mission, a laser reflector mirror was placed near landing site, so with equipment for few dolars, you can ping the mirror and trace back the distance from the time.. so it is there. Or any photograph from russian or china or india or japan probes, that captured the leftovers from the apollo missions. Gosh. If even the "enemy" agrees that US did land on the moon, that it is just exercise in futility to generate stories like Kubric did that...
Moon landing.. did it happen? Well...
Do you think the Soviets would have kept quiet if the TV and radio signals of the landing had not been coming from the moon? That is one thing I can guarantee you the Soviets both were able to check and absolutely checked. They probably kept their telescopes watching the rocket when they could as well.
There was no Soviet hissy fit over "American Imperialist Lies" in this case. If that isn't proof enough, I don't know what is.
Instead the Soviets decided to pretend there had been no race to get their first, despite their cosmonaut's public assurances they would get there first only a few years earlier.
One of the things about smoking in the soviet union was there wasn't always good or plentiful food. especially in the exclusion zone. cigarettes are an appetite suppressant. A lot of people and even children in soviet russia, smoked to curb their hunger. During this time in the 80's we were intentionally trying to bankrupt the USSR and their economy was in shambles. cigarettes were also infinitely cheaper than most other goods so it was easy to buy even if you had very little money
It's so interesting to me that during the shooting of dogs you feel the need to offer what amounts to a disclaimer where you make a point to speak about the justification for shooting the dogs almost as though the idea of innocent dogs being needlessly killed is more tragic than actual humans being killed in this or in any other movie/series - imagine feeling the need to apologize for The Boys and all the killing in that, for example. People love dogs more than other people. Not saying it's wrong, my dog is one of the 3 things I'd kill for lol - it's just an interesting observation
Hello! This is a dog trainer talking to you. All dogs living on earth are the product of crossbreeding different breeds for hundreds of years. But the origin remains the wolf. In this kind of situation, dogs very quickly free themselves from their dependence on humans, instinct takes over very quickly. The "pleasure" dogs will be devoured by those closest to their "natural" state, for a return... to the wolf...
th-cam.com/video/fA6daf1V2Bc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0rlicm3mzAxEXrXU&t=297, Actual footage of the flag being raised at Chernobyl
Not-So-Fun Fact: When the call went out to conscript men for work as liquidators, the Soviet army gave the new recruits a fatalistic "choice" of where they could serve their time in service. They could either spend two years in Afghanistan, or two minutes at Chernobyl. An urban legend is that many of the soldiers chose to run headlong into a losing battle in Afghanistan rather than face the radiation.
This incident was one main reason behind the breaking of Soviet Union. It is hard to imagine the amount of human lives, resources, and billions of funds allocated for resolving the crisis? Also, during the same period, the country was at war in Afghan.. just added toll on their economy. This disaster has been estimated to cost some $235 billion in damages today's time.
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I agree shooting the pets was a mercy. It was a mercy for those individual animals. Interestingly, though, it seems animal populations (or at least one) in the Chernobyl exclusion zone are evolving to resist the radiation. I read about a population of wolves that has done just that. Apparently, the mutation causes a different problem, but I don’t remember what it is. Hopefully, it will evolve out, too.