Real. As much as people saying “I thought you were better than that” gives me the ick, I feel like Angel needs to be given the harsh treatment (lovingly ofc) to avoid him slipping
It's better because I'm pretty sure neither of them actually believes the getting into heaven thing is ever going to work. So it really is just about being better and treating himself better just for the sake of it.
What is really fun about Sir Pentious striking out is it's entirely his doing, Cherri never really says no just asks him why. The sweet nervous snake just needed some courage lol.
Something that I love is that they very easily could have just made all of Heaven evil, a bunch of self-righteous pricks passing judgement just because. But instead, they establish that the angels we know, Adam and Sera and the rest, aren't even involved in Divine Judgement. They're flying as blind as the demons are, but unlike the demons, they also have to constantly pretend to know what they're doing because Heaven and the souls within still need to be protected (or at least, so they assume). It makes the issue much more nuanced than just "angels bad, demons good".
The thing is, you can't say that "demons good" either. Because we know for a fact that many are just horrible people. It is as the song say: There is a lot of gray there, and that is ultimately what matters.
@falsnamae3511 I mean sure but that kinda assumes both that there is a readily accessible way for demons to reach heaven when they want, which afaik we have no evidence of, and that the majority of people in hell would abuse such a thing and heaven would gain nothing from it. It’s kinda the same rhetoric of a country saying they need to shut down and heavily police their border because that other country is full of nothing but criminals that want to destroy their way of life, except worse because it’s active genocide. Plus the mere existence of Adam, Lute and to a lesser extent the other exorcists prove this isn’t a one way thing. It’s just that all the crazy murderers in hell get to vent their desires by murdering demons.
I think it's a cool full-circle moment from the pilot that Angel was actually being good when they checked in on him now. In the pilot Charlie said almost the same thing, "We've got a patron and he's made incredible progress," then we cut to him acting up, but this time he actually did the right thing and we love to see it.
@@undertakernumberone1 It does feel like they're rushing a bit, but I feel like they probably just weren't expecting a second season so they want to get their story out as complete as possible. edit: apparently second season announced, but this season only has 2 more episodes...so they really aren't getting a lot of episodes to tell the story.
@@undertakernumberone1 maybe it's the time gap between this and the pilot, but it feels okay to me as far as pacing. We saw Angel go through a lot this season, especially in episode four, but it does seem like they have to speed things up for the sake of limited episodes.
@@Wolfwood2057 it's not only episode number but also length. Afaik Invincible has only 8 episodes but 40 minute or more episodes. Come to think of it, maybe they had the "Adam cuts the time in half" thing in Episode 1 to have an in universe excuse for that pacing: Charlie is feeling hunted by the deadline and so she rushes it. (at the same time, it kinda reminds me of hte Futurama Episode "time keeps on slippin". Stuff happened and now, int he episode, the cast skips ahead in time every now and then... but they don't remember how they end up in the new situation. Just that with HH's pacing, it's primarily the viewers being left out) FOr me, HH really feels like a show that should have... at least 16, if not 26 episodes as eason. Like, when watching the pilot, it really felt more like it was setting up something more... intimiate, where we'd follow the characters more closely I wish the current second episode was actually the THIRD. I think it could'Ve been nice for Ep 2 to be Charlie sitting down everyone at hte hotel together and have them talk about: What their real name was What they did in life How they died Why (they think) they ended up in hell. With the reaosn maybe being that Sir Pentious is new and doesn't know them (as people). It wouldn't even have needed to be particularly long for each character. Angel, Husk and Sir Pentious could've had the "normal" scenes, Niffty and Alastor have the "creep out everyone" moment and Vaggie leaves gaps in her story.
@@JohnBogna the time gap between the pilot and the show is a WEEK. Then we have another week to EPisode 2... and hten, by episode 6, we sped up to five months after the first episode.We saw Angel laying the foundation for the character development, and two episodes later, we have him at a major step forward having been taken.
I haven't seen many other people talking about that part specifically, but yeah it makes her look like a crazy zealot who thinks they all deserve to suffer for eternity (or at least until the next extermination).
I love that scene so much... Loads of interpretation is just showing off Sera's insanity, but I think it's supposed to be a genuine, comforting smile to Emily. They're just right next to the viewer, reflecting flames and torment off Sera's eyes. The image of hell is burned into Emily's brain, so much that her mentor's comfort is overshadowed by it. Cinema
@@laneminor6240 thank you. I'm glad that there is someone else who thinks that Sera, while not exactly a good person for allowing exterminations, is also not a monster. I'll go even as far as to say that her decision is very much understandable if you look at it from the leader's perspective. Imagine yourself being responsible for the protection of Heaven. You see that Hell under Lilith's influence seems to be preparing for an uprising. From what she understands, countless of innocent souls could be lost. People who did good deeds in their life. She didn't lie that it was such a hard decision. Not to mention that throughout song and all confrontations about the subject, she seemed genuinely upset and ashamed.
the two shots in that moment are brilliant, Sera with fire in her eyes as she desperately tries to smile and assure is Emily's PoV, showing that her words ring hollow to her knowing the kind of atrocity she can justify to herself, that is Sera as Emily see's her, the fires of murder hiding behind a friendly smile. And the Very next shot is Emily Framed in the image of the sinners screaming in fear amid the flames, at once showing Emily is standing by their side in spirit. And as that is Sera's PoV also highlighting the fear the Head Seraph holds over Emily Sharing the sinner's fate.
"If you start to question, you could end up like Lucifer. Fallen. I couldn't bear to see you like that." That just sounded like a threat disguised as comfort
Maybe, but I do feel like there might be genuine concern. To me, it felt more like "I saw this happen before to my brother, I don't want another loved one ending up the same way." Ultimately, we don't know enough of the situation or Sera's background
I can certainly see why you'd think that, but personally I don't think that's how Sera intended it. For all her flaws she clearly loves Emily and doesn't want to see her come to harm.
@@CrownofMischief That's the feeling I got from that line. Though interesting is the visual during the song earlier is where Emi was looking at Sera and you see the reflection of the fires from the portal screen reflecting in Sara's eyes. Could be a true reflection coming out, could be what Emi is interpreting what she thinks is Sara's motive, who knows.
The line about how angels can do whatever they want and still remain in the sky is my favorite because it’s true. The second someone shows mercy to the damned they’re seen as a traitor and is casts down to be damned. But Adam does unethical things, swears is egotistical and can still keep his wings while still not knowing what ends someone in heaven.
Yeah I hope we get to see Charlie and Emily working together to figure what the mechanism is that is deciding who actually goes where and take the issue to a higher authority, or authorities on that matter. Honestly that said I would laugh if by the end of the series *past season 2 or beyond* the conclusion is the Pride ring of Hell turns into a giant rehab center for souls to work off their sins and relearn morals, to do better.
the problem is adam did all that to sinners in hell where it supposed to be a place for punishment. all that souls in hell arent inoccent souls. unless adam did that to souls in earth maybe thats a diffrent story. although i disagree with the killing, maybe thats the reason he hasnt fallen yet.
@@kevinimation5508 Being in Hell is punishment enough, being killed again is just cruel. If no-one in Hell is innocent they are already being punished by their imprisonment there. Which is a fruitless distinction since the question about Sinners isn’t about innocence, it’s about redemption. As for Adam it’s clear the system is broken in a one-and-done instance. He’s also the inverted example in contrast to the Hazbins. Instead of being a young (relatively speaking) Sinner who rehabilitates themselves despite their environment he’s an ancient Winner (I think that’s what he called ascended mortal souls) who has indulged in his eternal reward and ruined his moral character since he has a luxurious lifestyle in Heaven but also no fear of Hell. Because he’s already passed the ticket barrier ,tautologically, whatever he does must align with being good since he’s an Angel right? He’s internalised his own vices as being acceptable by Heaven’s standards since his very existence is proof to him that he’s got the right of it. But since the question of Heaven or Hell is decided at death and no point after, it’s clear that who he was at his death is a far cry from who he is now, who frankly acts no differently from the majority of violent hedonistic Sinners.
@@rustkarl i mean in hell they litteraly can do anything without even being truly punished. They're freely move,breathe,live. Some of the sinners even become few of the most powerfull demon and create their own kingdom there. Thats not excactly what i would call a punishment.
Can we take a moment to appreciate how much Angel Dust has grown as a person? The way he protects Niffty and stood up to Val. He's come a long way from his pilot self. I'm proud of our Spider boy. Also, the way Charlie and Emily reprise the refrain of "Hell Is Forever." With new lyrics that call out Sera and Adam's hypocrisy is just glorious. "You Didn't Know" as a whole is amazing, but that part hit's especially hard.
17:48 It has been confirmed that Angel actually has a huge care for beings he sees as "innocent" Since, as someone who has seen how far people will go for sexual desire, he considers innocence a very precious thing
I mean, Nifty is a little gremlin freak who literally relishes on the suffering of smaller creatures than her so "innocent" wouldn't be the first word I would associate her with her. Maybe a better one would be "defenseless"? Because Nifty really had no idea what she was doing or thinking on any consequences, she could have really hurt herself or someone else without any intention.
@@cidevant002 innocent in the sense of someone who has a clean, unpolluted mind, someone who doesn't know how perverted people can be, that kind of innocence
@@cidevant002 We've seen both Angel and Pentious protect Nifty from getting hurt in the background on occasions. I think they kind of view her as the weird messed up little sister that they have to protect at times as she legitimately doesn't understand how to protect herself really. She is really out there. And lets be real, however weird Nifty is she shouldn't be anywhere near Valentino. No one deserves being grabbed by Valentino.
Niffty isn’t so much ‘innocent’ considering her methods of pest control and kinks, but she’s kind of a hyper fixated mess which leaves her wandering into dangerous situations unaware of her surroundings. Like not noticing they went to the club, gathering up the glass shards cleaning the floor instead of looking out for falling debris. She’s kind of scatterbrained, and they take the responsibility of keeping her out of harms way.
The "Welcome to Heaven" song has lyrics that mention how it's "another happy day in Heaven", a direct paralel to Charlie's "I got the feeling that today is gonna be a happy day in Hell". And the "You didn't know" song has a repise of "Hell is forever". Also, there are similitudes between Lucifer and Sera: they want to protect their young ones, but in doing so they are harming then in the long run. Lucifer distanced himself from his daughter as a way to prevent her from becoming a dreamer like him and getting broken by Heaven, but in doing so Charlie grew up desperately trying to prove herself to be worthy of attention. Sera knew that her younger sister was a dreamer like Lucifer was, and tried to protect her by lying to her, otherwise she could end up fallen like Lucifer, but now Emily knows the truth and no longer trusts Sera.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this whole extermination thing got started because Adam is still feeling petty that Lilith left him and this was a way to spite her more than he already had
Now I'm curious where Eve is going to be in all this. There are theories that she is the upcoming villain 'Roo' (short for 'Root of All Evil'), but that could be incorrect. It just seems like everyone else from the original Eden story are involved, why wouldn't she be as well?
6:41, 6:54, 7:30 - I was shocked and happy to see Molly make her debut. It's so sweet and I hope her and Anthony (AKA Angel Dust) meet up someday. It'll be so sweet for siblings to meet. And then Angel will tell about his mobster family .
Based on Sera's reaction when Emily asks why Angel isn't in Heaven after he showed himself getting better, she does know what allows a soul into Heaven. And it's not their virtue. My theory is that it's obedience. Adam is clearly an asshole, but he never strayed from the path set for him by God, so he was allowed past the gates of Heaven. Lucifer is a decent guy, at least to Charlie, but he was a rebel cast out for not obeying his father. Sera even hints at this when she tells Emily not to doubt their system or risk falling, as Lucifer did. You can also see absolute fear in her face when Emily denounces Heaven during her duet with Charlie. Bringing it back to Angel, we know that he does not have a good relationship with his father and likely rebelled against his mob family parents many times throughout his life, including the fact that Angel's father apparently disapproves of his sexuality.
@@FallenOne669 But they literally do not know what gets someone into Heaven or consigns them to Hell; they just accept it as divine ordainment and move on, trying to maintain civil order. We know the Cherubs got kicked out for accidentally killing a human, but 'falling' only seems to apply to Heaven-born angels and not human souls.
nice bit of foreshadowing that Alicia actually talked about (but she was talking about something else), in the last episode there was a scene of Vaggie looking away sad when Charlie talked with Lucifer about heaven. It looked like she just did not think they would listen, but now we know that she KNEW that they wouldn't
1. Them making Adam and Lute the exception rather than the norm makes the whole conflict way more nuanced tbh 2. Note Cherri Bomb didn't even say "no", he just fumbled the bag lol
Personally the bombshell that most of heaven didn’t know about the exterminations should be a huge concern for them since, as shown by angle dust’s sister the white spider girl from the welcome to heaven song, families can be separated and who knows how many have now permanently lost their relatives but didn’t know
Permanent separation of families, with no chance of visiting relatives in hell, sounds like a secret that relies on stupidity of others in heaven to keep, rather than physically or digitally concealing a pile of information. That’s why I think to prepare for anyone in heaven asking to see their relatives in hell, or any other questions that would lead to learning about a contradiction, Sera and other angels compel people with words that distract from intelligent thought patterns like self doubt
The best detail is that *_Most of Heaven doesn't know about the Exterminations._* And that, if Em's reaction to finding out about them is any indication, they would be VERY AGAINST them if they knew. Sera straight up said it had to be kept secret. Hell sucking ass on it's own merits is one thing, but their own deliberately going down there specifically to make things WORSE is another? Those in Heaven would absolutely revolt against Sera. And the best part is that the only angels totally on board with the Exterminations are Adam and the Exorcists... Sera only allows them to do Exterminations because they have to avoid the rise of the Damned somehow, and she legit doesn't believe there's another way... it makes her feel terrible and the guilt is crushing her but she doesn't see another path to take. But Charlie rattled her, and so did Em. They made points she couldn't argue down or refute and hit her RIGHT in the doubt about the Exterminations, and showed her firsthand that Sinners can reform... Angel clearly wasn't Heaven-ready but he alsoclearly and undeniably wasn't as bad as he used to be. He WAS reforming, and steadily. Charlie was right, and Sera couldn't even directly refute her without lying to herself. She likely only ruled against Charlie because to do otherwise would be to admit she was wrong, and all the atrocities currently eating her alive from the inside out with guilt would have been PROVEN as unnecessary as she hoped they weren't because she needed to tell herself that to quiet her ever-mounting guilt about it. She would have had to face her guilt head-on and at this point that is too much for her. But she might have a change of heart, because of Charlie. She might intervene and stop the next Extermination now, once she emotionally sorts herself out, and manages to admit Charlie's way could have merit and maybe the Exterminations aren't needed after all. And if she doesn't? EM will. She's not cool with the Exterminations, and as I mentioned most of Heaven probably isn't, too. She isn't gonna keep it quiet. She IS gonna do the right thing.and speak up. Which may force Sera's hand, about both Charlie's plan, and the Exterminations... or else result in Em taking over as High Seraph, and Em CERTAINLY would stop the Exterminations at least.
Imagine yourself as one of the Souls in heaven, already sad that friends, family, loved ones of any stripe clearly didn't make it, for reasons you cannot fathom. Now imagine learning that not only was said loved on damned to hell, But that they have been erased. Given Hell's vast population growth compared to heaven in the story, practically every soul in heaven must have people down in hell they'd want to see again. If the populous learns of this, the riots in heaven alone might tear down the regime before a single hellspawn can even begin marching on the pearly gates.
@CrazyJabberwock Yeah. Sera and Adam's 'solution' was a ticking time bomb set to blast Heaven into an unwinnable civil uprising the moment they implemented it. They might think otherwise but this was always going to explode in their faces... it wasn't an if, it was a WHEN. That secret was eventually gonna get out.
@CrazyJabberwock Sera and Adam's 'solution' was ALWAYS set to blow up in their faces. It was never a matter of if, but of WHEN. You can also tell it was entirely Adam's plan, because only an impulsive dimwitted jerk like him would be unable to see the potential backblow of the plan coming and legit think it was a good idea. Sera is the one who insisted on the secrecy because she was the smart one who saw the local danger of the news getting out... she just didn't think there was another way and so went along with it. I feel kinda bad for Sera.
@falsnamae3511 I doubt that. Sera legit loves her sister, having to cast her down would destroy her totally given the unstable emotional state she already is in trying to swallow the guilt of her complicity in the Exterminations. Especially since she knows full well she would be falsely casting her own sister down because while she won't admit it she knows for a fact Charlie and Emm are RIGHT, and her conviction in the Exterminations being necessary at all is not just fraying at the seams but actively unravelling. She would be unable to cast Emm down any more than she is able to decide personally who goes up and who goes down. If, right now, she has to chose between her sister and something she hates, is no longer totally sure is necessary, and feels so awful about, she is gonna choose her sister. The only negative outcome that is reasonably plausible is Adam overthrowing Sera and taking over Heaven when she tries to intervene... an outcome that would only be a temporary state of affairs because he ABSOLUTELY will be destroyed in the fighting of the next Purge due to his inability to not participate in it and the fact that he will NOT stop going after the Hotel until either him or it are destroyed.
@@GuukanKitsuneUnfortunately, I think there is an even worse outcome possible... Sera is obviously afraid of someone or something, & Emily's fate may be taken from her hands entirely... As well as every other decision going forward. She even sang that there was a lot we don't know.
I think Charlie is? We don’t know how old Vaggie is, being an angel muddies the waters but based on one of Charlie’s family portraits she was a child in the early 1800s, Pentious died in the late 1880s. Given a rough lifespan of the era is around 60 years, he’d be close if we counted his living years, but still younger than Charlie.
I fucking love your reactions, you really understand characters and situations! I want to point out that during Adam's and Sera's discussion, Sera reveals that going down once a year to kill Sinners was ADAM's idea; he likely lied about an uprising when he, like an incel, is probably petty because both Lilith and Eve dumped his sorry ass. And now, thanks his lies and Sera's paranoia, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of an uprising. We still have scenes, voicelines, and the song from the S1 trailer, "For the first time in our lives we are ready for it!"
You know, going back through the episode... Sera mentions that she wouldn't have agreed to 'your yearly activities'... meaning... it *wasn't* her idea to have Exterminations in the first place. And that fact she's clearly terrified of the demons having an uprising... when so far that we've seen... hasn't been happening (as far as we know at least)? It was just demons being unruly as normal and the Overlords keeping things in working order and trying to minimize the impact of damages and death their numbers are having each Extermination Day. None of them have been looking into war without knowing how to kill an Exorcist . They never knew they could be killed in the first place. The only ones hoping to have a war are the Vees but that's mostly it. Perhaps Lilith after having enough of Heaven's bullshit, we don't know. Lucifer for certain wasn't looking to rip Heaven a new one, just protecting the native born demons and his own daughter. So where did the idea of Exterminations and stating that Demons were going to uprise come from? Did Adam create the Extermination process, throwing the idea of a demonic uprising at Sera to justify the reason to kill the Sinners out of anger at Lilith and Lucifer? Because he felt scorned at Lilith's rejection to his control and then Lucifer offering the Gift of Free Will to Eve? Lucifer lost the will to dream so Adam sees as a win over him... but Lilith *thrived* in Hell and that probably upset Adam. Here he was getting the easy life and freedom to do as he wishes in Heaven; but she was having a blast in Hell, not at all suffering as Adam hoped. So was the Exterminations Adam's way of trying just to taunt or provoke Lilith? Who knows, it's all speculation on my part, so I'm very likely wrong lol
Sounds like a distinct possibility, for sure. It would fit with Adam's personality and misogynistic views. Every Exorcist seems to be a woman too; women that he can boss around.
I would agree with this except Adam really just seems too dumb to actually come up with the idea and justify it, not to mention he seems rather obedient to the angels despite his natural rudeness. Given that multiple archangels, several of which we haven't seen yet we're shown in Lucifers song I think it's more likely one of the more violence or retribution roled arch-angel's came up with the idea and saw Adam as the perfect motivated useful idiot to carry it out and got him to suggest the idea.
That is true, since there's really no hard evidence to suggest it was Adam. Sera just didn't like their yearly exterminations but had to be done to cull an uprising. Though if the Angels in the courtroom were all the Elders with Sera at the top... none of them seemingly knew about it. The only ones that were suppose to know about the extermination process is just Sera, Adam and Lute (as well as the Exorcists) since no one else in Heaven was suppose to know. And they all seemed surprised that this was going on at all, especially during the song, Sera looks back at the other Elders in surprise now that secret was out. Then again, perhaps maybe a few of them did know but faked in being surprised but we're not sure. So both ideas can be on the table, since its speculation. lol Though I gotta wonder who was it that gave the idea of there going to be a demon uprising to give reason for the Extermination if it's not Adam that suggested it on his own?
Anyone else love the mislead they did with the trailer and Sera's smile? Like at first we all thought they were just as bloodthirsty as the others, only to learn now it's the strained smile of someone whose trying to reassure themselves they're doing the right thing.
Charlie and Emily sing a mean duet! I’m glad Charlie has a new ally to her cause. Also I hope everything will be ok with Vaggie and Charlie. Chances are the former will probably distance herself for a bit.
@@falsnamae3511I don't believe Vaggie told Husk she was an Angel. I think she talked about hating herself, maybe mentioned something from her previous life (before she ended up in Heaven & became an exorcist, as all exorcists are descendants of Adam, thus human), or even just more generalized aspects of herself that bother her. I think this secret was far too important to her to risk letting slip (especially to Husk knowing how likely it was to get back to Alastor, who could have potentially used it against her). That said, I suspect Alastor _might_ know. In the pilot, when she threatened him with her spear, he gave her this _look._ It may not have meant anything at all, but I do wonder. And she's never once been intimidated by him, which is rare, even among overlords. He also never questioned her willingness to attack/defend the hotel if necessary, even though she shows no visible sign of being a trained fighter. When he stopped her from dealing with Mimzy's loan sharks in episode 5, it wasn't in a patronizing tone, like maybe he knew she was _capable,_ he just wanted to deal with it..
Adam's idea was to blackmail Vaggie so she would close the hotel. Then he blew it by making the info public. Now, she has no reason to betray Charlie. That's actually the best thing that could have happened.
I really love the perspective this episode has on using heaven and Adam as different aspects of Christianity. As a Christian myself, a lot of people assume Christian is life has to do toxic Christians, very controlling, very biased, very discriminating. In reality, those are just stand out more. In reality, most Christians are like Emily, kind, caring, and accepting. I love how they show that not all people in heaven are like Adam, as only a few people know about the exterminations and are surprise when they find out. The one thing I love though, was just calling out the hypocrisy of toxic Christian. The whole thing about no one really knowing what gets you to heaven, Because no good deeds can make you get to heaven when you’re alive. God loves and cares for everyone so much that he died and he just wants us to do better and improve. Ironically what Charlie is just trying to do. So when a toxic Christian, discriminates, belittles, and sins themselves against other sinners, but says it’s different for them because they are Christians and perfect. They are straight hypocrites. “He without sin cast the first stone” we’ve all sinned, and thanks to God we don’t die from it, it’s what we do to improve ourselves and others that makes us good people, and it’s all that God wants. Definitely really love this episode.
honestly, if they ever get Big G on screen (which i can understand them maybe wanting to avoid due do certain people), I would go with a "Works in Mysterious ways" approach. Maybe, in general, being supportive of Charlie, maybe even having a lot of this intended, but having it play oout on its own, sometimes giving small nudges into the right direction, but leaving people, angels, demons, to try to get their on their own (Free will and all that). Heck, maybe part of this could be that the intention was to teach the angels some humility.
From an outsider perspective, i think the show is also suggesting is that you being a good person(on the morality scale) doesn’t necessarily have something to do with being a sinner or not. It’s trying to fight the “black and white mentality” view of morality that defines a good chunk of people, even outside of religion. May be reaching here, but the extermination is a pretty good parallel to capital punishment.
I just had a bible study tonight, we were discussing the Sermon on the Mount, and the whole time my brain was finding connections between it and Hazbin Hotel. Matthew 5:3-12, every single one of those is part of the message Charlie is trying to get across to the people she's helping.
Sera: flames reflected in her eyes Emily: perspective shows her standing in the flames Emily: Angel of joy Sera: tells Emily she'll end up like Lucifer Lucifer: the first fallen Angel Bible: “there is no joy in heaven” Me: ooh I don’t like where this is going
to be honest I never read a bible I heard it was from the bible so to confirm I looked it up online and it apparenly is from the bible but I don't know from which version
Fair Enough. Closeset I could find was from the St. James version, where it says heaven would rejoice more over one repntant sinner than 99 people who didn't need to repent. That said, I did find a quote from Mark Twain where he said that heaven had no humor, so there is that.
Y'know, I remember reading somewhere that the early days of the church and Christianity had hell as more of a rehabilitation thing, where you suffered penance until your soul was cleansed of sin and then you got to go to heaven once you'd paid the price for your sin. The idea of penance while you're alive was that it was a way to sort of have 'time served' to reduce how much time you had to spend in hell. Over time, though, the church moved away from that doctrine as the heads didn't like the idea of sinners getting to get into heaven, so they made it where 'hell is forever'. Hell, in the book of Revelation, it says that everyone will be brought back to life in the end times and the final judgement will occur. This would be completely unnecessary if there was no way to be redeemed after death, so it's still a remnant of the rehabilitation aspect of hell, that in the final judgement, those who haven't finished paying their sentence would be judged one last time to be able to get into heaven before everyone was tossed into the lake of fire and locked away. It could be that this is what Lucifer was talking about when he said 'he's tried all this before', that hell being rehabilitation in the early church doctrine was Lucifer's idea and then it being retconned into being forever was his idea being turned down.
Hey, there's actually an Easter egg in the flashback. When Vaggie and Charlie first meet, Charlie is wearing the same tux that she wore in the pilot episode.
The one thing I really like about the cherri and sir pentious thing is that she never shuts him down. She just pushes him to be upfront with it. Now how far it would go after that is majorly up for debate.
@@falsnamae3511 Well, she did (correctly) call him an 'Edge lord'. 😅But I think insults/banter between turf-holding overlords (like in the pilot) is pretty much expected.
Vaggie's face at 7:02 when Emily takes Charlie's hand, and all the doddles that Adam did in his check list at 29:41, specially the "Cool S" and it's attempts x'D
29:29 is lowkey a threat towards Emily considering Sera was the one who kicked Lucifer out of heaven in the first place. So she’s basically saying that if you start to question things I’m gonna kick you out of heaven.
Well, intelligence is rebellion, especially when it leads to people figuring out that (for example) Christians often exaggerate their connection to Christ, have the Holy Spirit guiding them, etc. when in fact, they are simply either pretending or are outright foolish. I mean, Christians who don’t work for the world’s authorities aren’t exactly living lie detectors 😏
two hidden things I really liked about this episode. Cherry wasn't against the advances she just wanted him to admit it before giving a direct answer. during the song welcome to heaven when they hit the note everyone is hot, the girl sitting in the bottom right if they're still keeping her back story is Angel Dust twin sister
I hope they are keeping her Backstory and I think they might, because Molly really does look like a Spider Angel to Angel’s Spider Demon, she even seems to have Multiple Legs. Also, so you think Cherri x Pentious is possible?
Anyone else feel like the Extermination is the result of Adam being all pissy about Lilith ditching him? Granted he's probably not smart enough for that, but imagine if that was the ACTUAL reason. Also, Vaggie's face when Emi and Charlie held hands~
After this episode, there’s one thing I want to know: what is Heaven so afraid of? Sera’s attitude towards the extermination doesn’t reflect someone who enjoys it being done, especially if the Exorcist’s activities are kept hidden. Instead, it comes off like a draconian response to a perceived threat
Fear can drive people to justify terrible things, From the logic of Heaven's leadership, If Hell is full of the wicked and the depraved, and it obviously has higher population growth, The surely they'd be stronger, and not willing to keep their evil to themselves, clearly the only path then is to prevent Hell from growing, keep it under Heaven's thumb in perpetuity. Of course in truth this was never sustainable, cracks in the system were already showing, and the moment Adam decided to accelerate the time table, that only accelerated the ruination to come. Because now Hell is being backed into a corner, Key figures now know a sinner can kill an angel. Like it or not the very war Heaven thought they were preventing, will be caused by the very means they sought to prevent it. Had a different approach been taken, it could have been halted, but now a war that basically neither side wanted has become inevitable.
@@narindercatt2230Well, Maybe wouldn’t be an uprising if they didn’t go and kill everyone each year. It’s also like, why would the demons uprise? For what? What is the problem!
The best way for an asshole to become a bigger asshole is to stick in their circle of assholes. Aside from this court meeting he probably never interacts with anyone but the Exorcists, because he thinks he's better than anyone anyway.
You know, I like how Cherri was written in this episode. She's not a great influence on Angel, but she's still trying to help him deal with everything because she cares for him. It's a nicely nuanced take.
8:10 to add to the point, imagine if you will, your in heaven, you died and were deemed good enough to enter, your sad that your friends and some family didnt make it and it saddens you that you cant be with them, but at least they're still around, then you learn that not only are they in hell but they're also being terminated down there, completely removed from existence. imagine what that revelation would do to you
I just realized something! When Charlie jumped in the portal, before it closes, Sir Pentious almost went through the portal, too! I think that's a little foreshadowing to what happens to him!
I loved this episode my favourite after masquerade, Emily is my favourite character, I also like angel dust a bit more, not that I ever disliked him but I think actually showing that he’s trying to get better gives a lot more depth to him, also also I’m so glad that unlike a lot of shows that focus on hell and demons, heaven here aren’t irrevocably the Bad GuysTM, they have assholes being assholes and a pretty benign government trying to protect their people but going about it in the wrong way and those at the top trying to hide it from their colleagues because they know it’s pretty fucked up despite them believing it necessary, it adds much more nuance, I am so happy. Also also also, I love You Didn’t Know, my second favourite song after Loser, Baby, third is Stayed Gone. All in all this is the Shit, the definite article, this is the hype and the hope, I am in love with it.
It's an interesting duality. In hell, it's the bad place with a beacon of hope: the Hazbin Hotel. Then in heaven, you get the good place with the dark secret: the exterminators. Even the rulers are in a gray area, with Lucifer being a soft dreamer, but gave up on his people, while Sera has her people's safety in mind but is handling it with brutality and lies
Adam is one of my favorite characters ever in hazbin hotel. The way he reacts to Charlie is absolutely amazing oh and the holigram jokes were hilarious. Him targeting the hotel is one of the best ideas he has ever had. Also the extermination being moved up to six months instead of a year was hilarious Valentino is also one of my favorite characters in hazbin hotel his interactions with angel dust in episode six were absolutely amazing. Valentino makes angel very pissed off at him which is how I want there relationship to continue. Valentino and angel dusts encounter in public was hilarious
Keep in mind that Charlie probably has some degree of PTSD from the many years of exterminations she lived through. So she may have a trigger issue with Angels in general or maybe exterminators specifically.
I dont know if you clocked it but in ep 5 at the start of the second song lucifer said he tried the exact same thing then when it pans out you see that all the windows have his apple in the design. It makes it that much more touching when he decides to support charlie despite knowing the outcome but he choose to be the help that wasnt there for him
"He was the first human soul in Heaven." It took me this reaction video to find a HUGE flaw in that statement by Sera. If anything, it would've been Abel that would be the first soul in Heaven since he was the first human to be killed... sadly by the hands of his jealous older brother.
Well, yes, Biblically, but neither of the boys have even been mentioned. For that matter neither has Eve except for the storybook beginning. Eve is definitely going to be a plot point but maybe the two brothers just aren't a part of this story. Just a thought.
@@cyberwolf_1013 While I do enjoy the plot Hazbin Hotel provides, my only beef with it is all of the Biblical theory inaccuracies portrayed so far. I don't hate what's being shown in the series, and kudos with these ideas, but I think more could be done. Of course, this is only the first season and we're just seeing the buildup of what's about to go down.
26:24 in this shot when they stand on that orb, you can see how similar they are like two sides of the coin like if there was one character and thay split it in to
To be honest before this episode I was expecting Vaggie to be the first soul redeemed. She's been helping Charlie longer than anyone, she always has faith in Charlie and as far as we know she doesn't indulge in any particular vices like anyone else.
Ah shit, " He's not even a danger noodle, he's just a noodle!" That poor, unthreatening, verbose, linpwristed bottom! He needs snuggles! That's why he has so many coils.
I’m sure Vaggie realized at some point that she was going to have to tell Charlie her background, but that there was never a good moment. Especially when the extermination day got moved up to six months and Charlie’s been super busy.
When I saw the reveal of Vaggie, I was surprised; not because of what it was but for the fact it was such a info dump so suddenly. They kept info about her a secret while giving out little fun facts regarding the other characters, plus her weapon is a spear like the angels use. Way back in the pilot I had theorized it was an angelic weapon that got swiped during the extermination, but it may be her own actual execution weapon. The hints were there, we just didn’t see them.
One of the reasons that you're my favorite reaction youtuber is your emotional intellect, PAIRED with your eloquency. Many people are emotionally intelligent. But not everyone know how to communicate it like you do. Your monologues are the best.
Valentino is such a crazy villain man. Like all it took was him SEEING Nifty for my heart to sink. I hope to GOD we see this mf dead by the end of this season.
@@johanstenfelt1206 Well the reason why angelic weapons are so deadly is BECAUSE they have angelic energy. Charlie and Vaggie do as well. It's not confirmed but it logically makes sense that angelic power can be deadly to overlords whether it comes from a weapon or a person. Also, Vaggie still has her Executioner Spear. Which is an angelic weapon.
I'm glad that it shows Angel is actually working on his progress trying to get into heaven and become rehabilitated. Also love the hell is forever remix. Seeing all this here's my crack theory: Currently there's only heaven and hell, I wonder if the eventual disparities between "unheavenly" people in heaven and "heavenly" people in hell would lead to purgatory and they make a new dimension or something?, idk. Thanks for the video
I feel bad for Vaggie. Like, she didn't even choose to be an excorcist . Adam made/named her and she gets punished for trying to help out/refusing to kill a scared, crying baby! I would even argue while being a killer, due to circumstances, she's not necessarily a murderer. Of course, you could argue the other way. There's a fine line between definitions. The actions are still very real and weigh heavy on her. Husk did call Vaggie out in episode 4 about how she's very judgemental cause she hates herself.Also, I'm more worried how everyone outside of Charlie is gonna take this at first. And lastly, kudos to Angel for sticking it to Val and for Charlie and Emily calling heaven out!
@@KyrieChii17:17 is when I saw it. But when I saw it on prime it was a different time stamp since on this video it’s hard to see it but in the original one husk blushes He also might just be drunk
I love your positivity😭 I’ve been watching a ton of reaction videos from different because I can’t watch this on prime and this video is the only one that’s actually good.
I'm a little torn on what I hope happens with Emily. On one hand, it'd be great to have her in Heaven working from that side to achieve Charlie's goal. On the other, it'd be pretty cool to see her fallen, with Lucifer stepping up to help keep her from winding up like him. Either way, I just want her interacting with Charlie more! I can easily see them becoming like favorite cousins to each other
THANK YOU. THANK. YOU. Exaaccttlyy. Someone else saw the potential in between the lines. Seen a lot of people react to Emily saying "thousands of innocent" and go "I mean they're not exactly innocent" in some form or another, and I'm like. No no, Emily's perspective is probably right... In Emily's mind. She just heard everyone in the court, herself included, confused in what makes someone go to heaven or hell, or, stay in either. which meant that innocent people could be going to hell. Cause innocence, or being innocent / good etc, might not get someone to go to heaven. It might not even be the same for every soul. They don't know. Not even true angels, "non-human soul" angels, know. It is interesting, though... that Adam was the first human soul in heaven.... There should have been other souls... at least... potentially... before Adam's That is if the descendants of Adam are still the same and generally the same story for their human lives...
Well, there were certainly quite a lot Twists and Turns in this and it has really made me want to see what happens next instantly, I can’t wait for the Finale and I hope it turns out well enough. By the way, did anyone notice Angel’s Sister in Heaven?
10:06 to kind of add to the messed up situation in this scene. The whole thing that got Vaggie punished was sparing a child. That leaves one of two scenarios, either its a hellborn demon who has done nothing but be in hell, or it's a child that died on earth that, for some reason, was condemned to hell. Which is fucked up in and of itself.
Gotta say in reference to Adam ruining himself before the court of heaven, that happens to be my favourite way of dealing with a bully. No one will care or lift a finger to help if you stand up for yourself, they’ll take you handling it as an excuse to ignore the situation, but if you give your enemy a platform they’ll just incriminate themselves. If you can tell they’re going to go off on some abusive tirade, lure them into the open and watch them crucify themselves before a jury of their peers.
Funfact during welcome to heaven at 6:54(on your video) on the bottom right you can see a character that is most probably Molly, Angel Dust's sister, Vivzie said she wasn't in hell and her design is very close to what she looked like in the early drafts
I really like Cherri here. While it seems like she's just an enabler, trying to pull Angel down, it's important to remember that the last time they met up(that we're aware of), Angel wasn't taking the rehabilitation thing seriously. He was using just looking for a free place to crash. Now they meet again, and he goes to the club with her without question. While she does push him to do drugs again, the moment she realises that he is actually serious about rehabilitation, she backs off, tells him she's happy for him, and that if he ever needs her she'll be there.
6:54 Alicia heads up the one sitting on the ground on the right is Molly Angel Dusts twin sister who also died of a drug overdose like him. Which puts a ton of emphasis on how the angels have no clue what the rules are.
I theorise that Lilith is the one who revealed how to kill an angel to the weapon dealer, & she knew Charlie would push the angels to action early hence sending Alastor soon as she heard the broadcast of it from pilot. Also Angel Dust is the key, & will ascend via sacrifice to save Charlie. Therefor showing everyone it is possible and we may even see what he looked like as a human. I also suspect Lilith did not make a deal with Alastor, but instead possibly offered him one. By helping Charlie and keeping her safe, Lilith might have promised him a one of the highest ranking seats below her. Also knew Vaggie was not *spoiler* a demon, but never thought she was an ex angel. I suspected she was like some kind of old school Valkyrie. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
By the way the stick it to man thing that adam says is a reference to one of the previous works of his VA because alex brightman played the protagonist of school of rock the musical and one of the main songs of that musical is called stick it to the man
i have a susspicion that the only reason ADAM thought up the extermination is because he was hoping he could stick it to Llilith; he is the type of guy who clearly doesn't like being rejected.
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I gotta say I'm proud of Husk trying to help keep Angel from messing up his chance at Heaven we all need a support group like that at times
Gotta help his boyfriend, right?
@@MarceloSilva-kp7mcthey dont gotta become boyfriends lol
Real. As much as people saying “I thought you were better than that” gives me the ick, I feel like Angel needs to be given the harsh treatment (lovingly ofc) to avoid him slipping
@@Ivory81 gives me the ick slayy girly like yass those vibes 🤪🤪💅
It's better because I'm pretty sure neither of them actually believes the getting into heaven thing is ever going to work. So it really is just about being better and treating himself better just for the sake of it.
What is really fun about Sir Pentious striking out is it's entirely his doing, Cherri never really says no just asks him why. The sweet nervous snake just needed some courage lol.
Someone gift this sweet boy some courage!
@@justanothermonster6442Liquid courage didn't seem to do the trick
@@Mare_Man got him enough courage to ask for sex atleast.
The guy just doesn’t really know how to act in social situations.
Could relate once upon a time.
@@Mare_Man Sadly no
Something that I love is that they very easily could have just made all of Heaven evil, a bunch of self-righteous pricks passing judgement just because. But instead, they establish that the angels we know, Adam and Sera and the rest, aren't even involved in Divine Judgement. They're flying as blind as the demons are, but unlike the demons, they also have to constantly pretend to know what they're doing because Heaven and the souls within still need to be protected (or at least, so they assume). It makes the issue much more nuanced than just "angels bad, demons good".
Much how like most Christians are actually pretty chill, And a small part are just incredibly toxic.
The thing is, you can't say that "demons good" either. Because we know for a fact that many are just horrible people.
It is as the song say: There is a lot of gray there, and that is ultimately what matters.
@falsnamae3511 I mean sure but that kinda assumes both that there is a readily accessible way for demons to reach heaven when they want, which afaik we have no evidence of, and that the majority of people in hell would abuse such a thing and heaven would gain nothing from it. It’s kinda the same rhetoric of a country saying they need to shut down and heavily police their border because that other country is full of nothing but criminals that want to destroy their way of life, except worse because it’s active genocide.
Plus the mere existence of Adam, Lute and to a lesser extent the other exorcists prove this isn’t a one way thing. It’s just that all the crazy murderers in hell get to vent their desires by murdering demons.
@@falsnamae3511 Yeah but uh...the whole plot is kind of about YEARLY GENOCIDE to prevent a POSSIBLE war not being the answer.
@@falsnamae3511true, heaven need to do this cause if hell knew how to go to heaven. They will wreck shit up.
I think it's a cool full-circle moment from the pilot that Angel was actually being good when they checked in on him now. In the pilot Charlie said almost the same thing, "We've got a patron and he's made incredible progress," then we cut to him acting up, but this time he actually did the right thing and we love to see it.
i just wish we had seen mor of that progress ebing made on screen.
@@undertakernumberone1 It does feel like they're rushing a bit, but I feel like they probably just weren't expecting a second season so they want to get their story out as complete as possible. edit: apparently second season announced, but this season only has 2 more episodes...so they really aren't getting a lot of episodes to tell the story.
@@undertakernumberone1 maybe it's the time gap between this and the pilot, but it feels okay to me as far as pacing. We saw Angel go through a lot this season, especially in episode four, but it does seem like they have to speed things up for the sake of limited episodes.
@@Wolfwood2057 it's not only episode number but also length. Afaik Invincible has only 8 episodes but 40 minute or more episodes.
Come to think of it, maybe they had the "Adam cuts the time in half" thing in Episode 1 to have an in universe excuse for that pacing: Charlie is feeling hunted by the deadline and so she rushes it. (at the same time, it kinda reminds me of hte Futurama Episode "time keeps on slippin". Stuff happened and now, int he episode, the cast skips ahead in time every now and then... but they don't remember how they end up in the new situation. Just that with HH's pacing, it's primarily the viewers being left out)
FOr me, HH really feels like a show that should have... at least 16, if not 26 episodes as eason. Like, when watching the pilot, it really felt more like it was setting up something more... intimiate, where we'd follow the characters more closely
I wish the current second episode was actually the THIRD. I think it could'Ve been nice for Ep 2 to be Charlie sitting down everyone at hte hotel together and have them talk about:
What their real name was
What they did in life
How they died
Why (they think) they ended up in hell.
With the reaosn maybe being that Sir Pentious is new and doesn't know them (as people).
It wouldn't even have needed to be particularly long for each character. Angel, Husk and Sir Pentious could've had the "normal" scenes, Niffty and Alastor have the "creep out everyone" moment and Vaggie leaves gaps in her story.
@@JohnBogna the time gap between the pilot and the show is a WEEK. Then we have another week to EPisode 2... and hten, by episode 6, we sped up to five months after the first episode.We saw Angel laying the foundation for the character development, and two episodes later, we have him at a major step forward having been taken.
That shot of Sera smiling while the fire is reflecting in her eyes, just beautiful. Totally the face of someone doing the right thing
Not to mention her line "Do what was required"....I can just hear the Hot Fuzz council chanting "The Greater Good" XD
I haven't seen many other people talking about that part specifically, but yeah it makes her look like a crazy zealot who thinks they all deserve to suffer for eternity (or at least until the next extermination).
I love that scene so much... Loads of interpretation is just showing off Sera's insanity, but I think it's supposed to be a genuine, comforting smile to Emily. They're just right next to the viewer, reflecting flames and torment off Sera's eyes. The image of hell is burned into Emily's brain, so much that her mentor's comfort is overshadowed by it. Cinema
@@laneminor6240 thank you. I'm glad that there is someone else who thinks that Sera, while not exactly a good person for allowing exterminations, is also not a monster. I'll go even as far as to say that her decision is very much understandable if you look at it from the leader's perspective. Imagine yourself being responsible for the protection of Heaven. You see that Hell under Lilith's influence seems to be preparing for an uprising. From what she understands, countless of innocent souls could be lost. People who did good deeds in their life. She didn't lie that it was such a hard decision. Not to mention that throughout song and all confrontations about the subject, she seemed genuinely upset and ashamed.
the two shots in that moment are brilliant, Sera with fire in her eyes as she desperately tries to smile and assure is Emily's PoV, showing that her words ring hollow to her knowing the kind of atrocity she can justify to herself, that is Sera as Emily see's her, the fires of murder hiding behind a friendly smile. And the Very next shot is Emily Framed in the image of the sinners screaming in fear amid the flames, at once showing Emily is standing by their side in spirit. And as that is Sera's PoV also highlighting the fear the Head Seraph holds over Emily Sharing the sinner's fate.
"If you start to question, you could end up like Lucifer. Fallen. I couldn't bear to see you like that."
That just sounded like a threat disguised as comfort
Kind of a “Don’t make me hurt you.” ultimatum.
Maybe, but I do feel like there might be genuine concern. To me, it felt more like "I saw this happen before to my brother, I don't want another loved one ending up the same way." Ultimately, we don't know enough of the situation or Sera's background
If Sera’s in charge, it’s likely a threat to prevent others from thinking. If not, it could be either way
I can certainly see why you'd think that, but personally I don't think that's how Sera intended it. For all her flaws she clearly loves Emily and doesn't want to see her come to harm.
@@CrownofMischief That's the feeling I got from that line. Though interesting is the visual during the song earlier is where Emi was looking at Sera and you see the reflection of the fires from the portal screen reflecting in Sara's eyes. Could be a true reflection coming out, could be what Emi is interpreting what she thinks is Sara's motive, who knows.
The line about how angels can do whatever they want and still remain in the sky is my favorite because it’s true. The second someone shows mercy to the damned they’re seen as a traitor and is casts down to be damned. But Adam does unethical things, swears is egotistical and can still keep his wings while still not knowing what ends someone in heaven.
Yeah I hope we get to see Charlie and Emily working together to figure what the mechanism is that is deciding who actually goes where and take the issue to a higher authority, or authorities on that matter. Honestly that said I would laugh if by the end of the series *past season 2 or beyond* the conclusion is the Pride ring of Hell turns into a giant rehab center for souls to work off their sins and relearn morals, to do better.
Dude’s got shades of 6 rings and he’s still got a halo, obviously the system is broken.
the problem is adam did all that to sinners in hell where it supposed to be a place for punishment. all that souls in hell arent inoccent souls. unless adam did that to souls in earth maybe thats a diffrent story. although i disagree with the killing, maybe thats the reason he hasnt fallen yet.
@@kevinimation5508
Being in Hell is punishment enough, being killed again is just cruel.
If no-one in Hell is innocent they are already being punished by their imprisonment there.
Which is a fruitless distinction since the question about Sinners isn’t about innocence, it’s about redemption.
As for Adam it’s clear the system is broken in a one-and-done instance.
He’s also the inverted example in contrast to the Hazbins.
Instead of being a young (relatively speaking) Sinner who rehabilitates themselves despite their environment he’s an ancient Winner (I think that’s what he called ascended mortal souls) who has indulged in his eternal reward and ruined his moral character since he has a luxurious lifestyle in Heaven but also no fear of Hell.
Because he’s already passed the ticket barrier ,tautologically, whatever he does must align with being good since he’s an Angel right? He’s internalised his own vices as being acceptable by Heaven’s standards since his very existence is proof to him that he’s got the right of it.
But since the question of Heaven or Hell is decided at death and no point after, it’s clear that who he was at his death is a far cry from who he is now, who frankly acts no differently from the majority of violent hedonistic Sinners.
@@rustkarl i mean in hell they litteraly can do anything without even being truly punished. They're freely move,breathe,live. Some of the sinners even become few of the most powerfull demon and create their own kingdom there. Thats not excactly what i would call a punishment.
Can we take a moment to appreciate how much Angel Dust has grown as a person? The way he protects Niffty and stood up to Val. He's come a long way from his pilot self. I'm proud of our Spider boy. Also, the way Charlie and Emily reprise the refrain of "Hell Is Forever." With new lyrics that call out Sera and Adam's hypocrisy is just glorious. "You Didn't Know" as a whole is amazing, but that part hit's especially hard.
Yes. We're all so proud of him.
17:48 It has been confirmed that Angel actually has a huge care for beings he sees as "innocent"
Since, as someone who has seen how far people will go for sexual desire, he considers innocence a very precious thing
I mean, Nifty is a little gremlin freak who literally relishes on the suffering of smaller creatures than her so "innocent" wouldn't be the first word I would associate her with her. Maybe a better one would be "defenseless"? Because Nifty really had no idea what she was doing or thinking on any consequences, she could have really hurt herself or someone else without any intention.
@@cidevant002 innocent in the sense of someone who has a clean, unpolluted mind, someone who doesn't know how perverted people can be, that kind of innocence
Remember all of the Eggboys he relished in murdering? I remember. Anc those guys are as child minded as you get. Sooooo...
@@cidevant002 We've seen both Angel and Pentious protect Nifty from getting hurt in the background on occasions. I think they kind of view her as the weird messed up little sister that they have to protect at times as she legitimately doesn't understand how to protect herself really. She is really out there.
And lets be real, however weird Nifty is she shouldn't be anywhere near Valentino. No one deserves being grabbed by Valentino.
Niffty isn’t so much ‘innocent’ considering her methods of pest control and kinks, but she’s kind of a hyper fixated mess which leaves her wandering into dangerous situations unaware of her surroundings. Like not noticing they went to the club, gathering up the glass shards cleaning the floor instead of looking out for falling debris.
She’s kind of scatterbrained, and they take the responsibility of keeping her out of harms way.
The "Welcome to Heaven" song has lyrics that mention how it's "another happy day in Heaven", a direct paralel to Charlie's "I got the feeling that today is gonna be a happy day in Hell". And the "You didn't know" song has a repise of "Hell is forever".
Also, there are similitudes between Lucifer and Sera: they want to protect their young ones, but in doing so they are harming then in the long run. Lucifer distanced himself from his daughter as a way to prevent her from becoming a dreamer like him and getting broken by Heaven, but in doing so Charlie grew up desperately trying to prove herself to be worthy of attention. Sera knew that her younger sister was a dreamer like Lucifer was, and tried to protect her by lying to her, otherwise she could end up fallen like Lucifer, but now Emily knows the truth and no longer trusts Sera.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this whole extermination thing got started because Adam is still feeling petty that Lilith left him and this was a way to spite her more than he already had
I feel that has to be the case, that he lied about an uprising just to scare Sera to support him.
Now I'm curious where Eve is going to be in all this. There are theories that she is the upcoming villain 'Roo' (short for 'Root of All Evil'), but that could be incorrect. It just seems like everyone else from the original Eden story are involved, why wouldn't she be as well?
@@KyrieChii Roo? That’s the first time I’ve heard of it.
I think hes angry because L and L gave Eve the apple and had her go to hell. He moved on to Lilith and loved Eve. Thats my theory.
6:41, 6:54, 7:30 - I was shocked and happy to see Molly make her debut. It's so sweet and I hope her and Anthony (AKA Angel Dust) meet up someday. It'll be so sweet for siblings to meet. And then Angel will tell about his mobster family .
mollllly
Angel deserves to be redeemed
Who's Molly?
@@cyberlord1922 angel dust’s sister
@@neofulcrum5013 Anthony has a sister?!
Based on Sera's reaction when Emily asks why Angel isn't in Heaven after he showed himself getting better, she does know what allows a soul into Heaven. And it's not their virtue.
My theory is that it's obedience. Adam is clearly an asshole, but he never strayed from the path set for him by God, so he was allowed past the gates of Heaven. Lucifer is a decent guy, at least to Charlie, but he was a rebel cast out for not obeying his father.
Sera even hints at this when she tells Emily not to doubt their system or risk falling, as Lucifer did. You can also see absolute fear in her face when Emily denounces Heaven during her duet with Charlie.
Bringing it back to Angel, we know that he does not have a good relationship with his father and likely rebelled against his mob family parents many times throughout his life, including the fact that Angel's father apparently disapproves of his sexuality.
Note how God has not been mentioned as a character a single time in Hazbin Hotel.
@@Brutalyte616 True. But someone had to set the rules, and if not Sera, then someone or a group above even her.
@@Brutalyte616lute did say daddy but for all we know she could be referring to someone else
@@area52ron I think she was referring to Lucifer being Charlie's father.
@@FallenOne669 But they literally do not know what gets someone into Heaven or consigns them to Hell; they just accept it as divine ordainment and move on, trying to maintain civil order. We know the Cherubs got kicked out for accidentally killing a human, but 'falling' only seems to apply to Heaven-born angels and not human souls.
nice bit of foreshadowing that Alicia actually talked about (but she was talking about something else), in the last episode there was a scene of Vaggie looking away sad when Charlie talked with Lucifer about heaven. It looked like she just did not think they would listen, but now we know that she KNEW that they wouldn't
1. Them making Adam and Lute the exception rather than the norm makes the whole conflict way more nuanced tbh
2. Note Cherri Bomb didn't even say "no", he just fumbled the bag lol
Personally the bombshell that most of heaven didn’t know about the exterminations should be a huge concern for them since, as shown by angle dust’s sister the white spider girl from the welcome to heaven song, families can be separated and who knows how many have now permanently lost their relatives but didn’t know
Permanent separation of families, with no chance of visiting relatives in hell, sounds like a secret that relies on stupidity of others in heaven to keep, rather than physically or digitally concealing a pile of information. That’s why I think to prepare for anyone in heaven asking to see their relatives in hell, or any other questions that would lead to learning about a contradiction, Sera and other angels compel people with words that distract from intelligent thought patterns like self doubt
The fact that Emily has her eyes opened, LITERALLY (look at her dress and crown/halo) is really cool.
I love how Charlie and Emily's section is them refuting lyrics from "Hell is Forever"
The best detail is that *_Most of Heaven doesn't know about the Exterminations._*
And that, if Em's reaction to finding out about them is any indication, they would be VERY AGAINST them if they knew. Sera straight up said it had to be kept secret.
Hell sucking ass on it's own merits is one thing, but their own deliberately going down there specifically to make things WORSE is another? Those in Heaven would absolutely revolt against Sera.
And the best part is that the only angels totally on board with the Exterminations are Adam and the Exorcists... Sera only allows them to do Exterminations because they have to avoid the rise of the Damned somehow, and she legit doesn't believe there's another way... it makes her feel terrible and the guilt is crushing her but she doesn't see another path to take.
But Charlie rattled her, and so did Em. They made points she couldn't argue down or refute and hit her RIGHT in the doubt about the Exterminations, and showed her firsthand that Sinners can reform... Angel clearly wasn't Heaven-ready but he alsoclearly and undeniably wasn't as bad as he used to be. He WAS reforming, and steadily. Charlie was right, and Sera couldn't even directly refute her without lying to herself.
She likely only ruled against Charlie because to do otherwise would be to admit she was wrong, and all the atrocities currently eating her alive from the inside out with guilt would have been PROVEN as unnecessary as she hoped they weren't because she needed to tell herself that to quiet her ever-mounting guilt about it.
She would have had to face her guilt head-on and at this point that is too much for her.
But she might have a change of heart, because of Charlie. She might intervene and stop the next Extermination now, once she emotionally sorts herself out, and manages to admit Charlie's way could have merit and maybe the Exterminations aren't needed after all.
And if she doesn't? EM will. She's not cool with the Exterminations, and as I mentioned most of Heaven probably isn't, too. She isn't gonna keep it quiet. She IS gonna do the right thing.and speak up. Which may force Sera's hand, about both Charlie's plan, and the Exterminations... or else result in Em taking over as High Seraph, and Em CERTAINLY would stop the Exterminations at least.
Imagine yourself as one of the Souls in heaven, already sad that friends, family, loved ones of any stripe clearly didn't make it, for reasons you cannot fathom. Now imagine learning that not only was said loved on damned to hell, But that they have been erased.
Given Hell's vast population growth compared to heaven in the story, practically every soul in heaven must have people down in hell they'd want to see again.
If the populous learns of this, the riots in heaven alone might tear down the regime before a single hellspawn can even begin marching on the pearly gates.
@CrazyJabberwock Yeah. Sera and Adam's 'solution' was a ticking time bomb set to blast Heaven into an unwinnable civil uprising the moment they implemented it. They might think otherwise but this was always going to explode in their faces... it wasn't an if, it was a WHEN.
That secret was eventually gonna get out.
@CrazyJabberwock Sera and Adam's 'solution' was ALWAYS set to blow up in their faces. It was never a matter of if, but of WHEN.
You can also tell it was entirely Adam's plan, because only an impulsive dimwitted jerk like him would be unable to see the potential backblow of the plan coming and legit think it was a good idea.
Sera is the one who insisted on the secrecy because she was the smart one who saw the local danger of the news getting out... she just didn't think there was another way and so went along with it.
I feel kinda bad for Sera.
@falsnamae3511 I doubt that. Sera legit loves her sister, having to cast her down would destroy her totally given the unstable emotional state she already is in trying to swallow the guilt of her complicity in the Exterminations.
Especially since she knows full well she would be falsely casting her own sister down because while she won't admit it she knows for a fact Charlie and Emm are RIGHT, and her conviction in the Exterminations being necessary at all is not just fraying at the seams but actively unravelling.
She would be unable to cast Emm down any more than she is able to decide personally who goes up and who goes down.
If, right now, she has to chose between her sister and something she hates, is no longer totally sure is necessary, and feels so awful about, she is gonna choose her sister.
The only negative outcome that is reasonably plausible is Adam overthrowing Sera and taking over Heaven when she tries to intervene... an outcome that would only be a temporary state of affairs because he ABSOLUTELY will be destroyed in the fighting of the next Purge due to his inability to not participate in it and the fact that he will NOT stop going after the Hotel until either him or it are destroyed.
@@GuukanKitsuneUnfortunately, I think there is an even worse outcome possible... Sera is obviously afraid of someone or something, & Emily's fate may be taken from her hands entirely... As well as every other decision going forward. She even sang that there was a lot we don't know.
This does explain why Vaggie always carries an angelic spear with her
I love how Pentious is canonically the oldest one of the group
I think Charlie is?
We don’t know how old Vaggie is, being an angel muddies the waters but based on one of Charlie’s family portraits she was a child in the early 1800s, Pentious died in the late 1880s.
Given a rough lifespan of the era is around 60 years, he’d be close if we counted his living years, but still younger than Charlie.
It is true that Charlie is older, but I mean amongst the sinners (I'm pretty sure vaggie died in 2014 or something)@@rustkarl
I fucking love your reactions, you really understand characters and situations!
I want to point out that during Adam's and Sera's discussion, Sera reveals that going down once a year to kill Sinners was ADAM's idea; he likely lied about an uprising when he, like an incel, is probably petty because both Lilith and Eve dumped his sorry ass.
And now, thanks his lies and Sera's paranoia, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of an uprising. We still have scenes, voicelines, and the song from the S1 trailer, "For the first time in our lives we are ready for it!"
You know, going back through the episode... Sera mentions that she wouldn't have agreed to 'your yearly activities'... meaning... it *wasn't* her idea to have Exterminations in the first place. And that fact she's clearly terrified of the demons having an uprising... when so far that we've seen... hasn't been happening (as far as we know at least)? It was just demons being unruly as normal and the Overlords keeping things in working order and trying to minimize the impact of damages and death their numbers are having each Extermination Day. None of them have been looking into war without knowing how to kill an Exorcist . They never knew they could be killed in the first place.
The only ones hoping to have a war are the Vees but that's mostly it. Perhaps Lilith after having enough of Heaven's bullshit, we don't know. Lucifer for certain wasn't looking to rip Heaven a new one, just protecting the native born demons and his own daughter.
So where did the idea of Exterminations and stating that Demons were going to uprise come from? Did Adam create the Extermination process, throwing the idea of a demonic uprising at Sera to justify the reason to kill the Sinners out of anger at Lilith and Lucifer? Because he felt scorned at Lilith's rejection to his control and then Lucifer offering the Gift of Free Will to Eve? Lucifer lost the will to dream so Adam sees as a win over him... but Lilith *thrived* in Hell and that probably upset Adam. Here he was getting the easy life and freedom to do as he wishes in Heaven; but she was having a blast in Hell, not at all suffering as Adam hoped.
So was the Exterminations Adam's way of trying just to taunt or provoke Lilith?
Who knows, it's all speculation on my part, so I'm very likely wrong lol
Sounds like a distinct possibility, for sure. It would fit with Adam's personality and misogynistic views. Every Exorcist seems to be a woman too; women that he can boss around.
I would agree with this except Adam really just seems too dumb to actually come up with the idea and justify it, not to mention he seems rather obedient to the angels despite his natural rudeness.
Given that multiple archangels, several of which we haven't seen yet we're shown in Lucifers song I think it's more likely one of the more violence or retribution roled arch-angel's came up with the idea and saw Adam as the perfect motivated useful idiot to carry it out and got him to suggest the idea.
That is true, since there's really no hard evidence to suggest it was Adam. Sera just didn't like their yearly exterminations but had to be done to cull an uprising.
Though if the Angels in the courtroom were all the Elders with Sera at the top... none of them seemingly knew about it. The only ones that were suppose to know about the extermination process is just Sera, Adam and Lute (as well as the Exorcists) since no one else in Heaven was suppose to know. And they all seemed surprised that this was going on at all, especially during the song, Sera looks back at the other Elders in surprise now that secret was out.
Then again, perhaps maybe a few of them did know but faked in being surprised but we're not sure.
So both ideas can be on the table, since its speculation. lol Though I gotta wonder who was it that gave the idea of there going to be a demon uprising to give reason for the Extermination if it's not Adam that suggested it on his own?
Anyone else love the mislead they did with the trailer and Sera's smile? Like at first we all thought they were just as bloodthirsty as the others, only to learn now it's the strained smile of someone whose trying to reassure themselves they're doing the right thing.
that's why you should never trust trailers
Pentious made me laugh out loud this episode and that is not something that happens easily. Loved the "everyone" repetitive humor.
Charlie and Emily sing a mean duet! I’m glad Charlie has a new ally to her cause.
Also I hope everything will be ok with Vaggie and Charlie. Chances are the former will probably distance herself for a bit.
@@falsnamae3511I don't believe Vaggie told Husk she was an Angel. I think she talked about hating herself, maybe mentioned something from her previous life (before she ended up in Heaven & became an exorcist, as all exorcists are descendants of Adam, thus human), or even just more generalized aspects of herself that bother her. I think this secret was far too important to her to risk letting slip (especially to Husk knowing how likely it was to get back to Alastor, who could have potentially used it against her).
That said, I suspect Alastor _might_ know. In the pilot, when she threatened him with her spear, he gave her this _look._ It may not have meant anything at all, but I do wonder. And she's never once been intimidated by him, which is rare, even among overlords. He also never questioned her willingness to attack/defend the hotel if necessary, even though she shows no visible sign of being a trained fighter. When he stopped her from dealing with Mimzy's loan sharks in episode 5, it wasn't in a patronizing tone, like maybe he knew she was _capable,_ he just wanted to deal with it..
Adam's idea was to blackmail Vaggie so she would close the hotel. Then he blew it by making the info public. Now, she has no reason to betray Charlie. That's actually the best thing that could have happened.
fun fact... at the ending shot of Welcome to Heaven... you can see Angel Dust's sister there sitting next to Saint Peter
I noticed, I hope we get to see more of her.
I really love the perspective this episode has on using heaven and Adam as different aspects of Christianity.
As a Christian myself, a lot of people assume Christian is life has to do toxic Christians, very controlling, very biased, very discriminating. In reality, those are just stand out more. In reality, most Christians are like Emily, kind, caring, and accepting. I love how they show that not all people in heaven are like Adam, as only a few people know about the exterminations and are surprise when they find out.
The one thing I love though, was just calling out the hypocrisy of toxic Christian. The whole thing about no one really knowing what gets you to heaven, Because no good deeds can make you get to heaven when you’re alive. God loves and cares for everyone so much that he died and he just wants us to do better and improve. Ironically what Charlie is just trying to do. So when a toxic Christian, discriminates, belittles, and sins themselves against other sinners, but says it’s different for them because they are Christians and perfect. They are straight hypocrites.
“He without sin cast the first stone” we’ve all sinned, and thanks to God we don’t die from it, it’s what we do to improve ourselves and others that makes us good people, and it’s all that God wants. Definitely really love this episode.
honestly, if they ever get Big G on screen (which i can understand them maybe wanting to avoid due do certain people), I would go with a "Works in Mysterious ways" approach. Maybe, in general, being supportive of Charlie, maybe even having a lot of this intended, but having it play oout on its own, sometimes giving small nudges into the right direction, but leaving people, angels, demons, to try to get their on their own (Free will and all that).
Heck, maybe part of this could be that the intention was to teach the angels some humility.
@@undertakernumberone1 great ideas man!
From an outsider perspective, i think the show is also suggesting is that you being a good person(on the morality scale) doesn’t necessarily have something to do with being a sinner or not.
It’s trying to fight the “black and white mentality” view of morality that defines a good chunk of people, even outside of religion.
May be reaching here, but the extermination is a pretty good parallel to capital punishment.
I just had a bible study tonight, we were discussing the Sermon on the Mount, and the whole time my brain was finding connections between it and Hazbin Hotel. Matthew 5:3-12, every single one of those is part of the message Charlie is trying to get across to the people she's helping.
Sera: flames reflected in her eyes
Emily: perspective shows her standing in the flames
Emily: Angel of joy
Sera: tells Emily she'll end up like Lucifer
Lucifer: the first fallen Angel
Bible: “there is no joy in heaven”
Me: ooh I don’t like where this is going
Which version of the bible is that from? I've been looking for that quote and I can't seem to find it.
to be honest I never read a bible
I heard it was from the bible so to confirm I looked it up online and it apparenly is from the bible but I don't know from which version
Fair Enough. Closeset I could find was from the St. James version, where it says heaven would rejoice more over one repntant sinner than 99 people who didn't need to repent.
That said, I did find a quote from Mark Twain where he said that heaven had no humor, so there is that.
Does the Bible really have a line like that?
Actually, i made a research about it and i think you've been misinformed. There was no "there is no joy in heaven” verse in the bible.
Episode 8
Emily: “On your left.”
Avengers…assemble
This got me way too excited
@@dolphinbanana3053 th-cam.com/video/LY02fZsvU4s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=D-vyConydTvce0mP
Y'know, I remember reading somewhere that the early days of the church and Christianity had hell as more of a rehabilitation thing, where you suffered penance until your soul was cleansed of sin and then you got to go to heaven once you'd paid the price for your sin. The idea of penance while you're alive was that it was a way to sort of have 'time served' to reduce how much time you had to spend in hell. Over time, though, the church moved away from that doctrine as the heads didn't like the idea of sinners getting to get into heaven, so they made it where 'hell is forever'.
Hell, in the book of Revelation, it says that everyone will be brought back to life in the end times and the final judgement will occur. This would be completely unnecessary if there was no way to be redeemed after death, so it's still a remnant of the rehabilitation aspect of hell, that in the final judgement, those who haven't finished paying their sentence would be judged one last time to be able to get into heaven before everyone was tossed into the lake of fire and locked away.
It could be that this is what Lucifer was talking about when he said 'he's tried all this before', that hell being rehabilitation in the early church doctrine was Lucifer's idea and then it being retconned into being forever was his idea being turned down.
Hey, there's actually an Easter egg in the flashback. When Vaggie and Charlie first meet, Charlie is wearing the same tux that she wore in the pilot episode.
Vaggie is in her pilot outfit when Charlie finds her too. :)
The one thing I really like about the cherri and sir pentious thing is that she never shuts him down. She just pushes him to be upfront with it. Now how far it would go after that is majorly up for debate.
She definitely doesn't have any real interest in him, but I'm pretty sure it's just cause he ain't her type.
@@falsnamae3511 Well, she did (correctly) call him an 'Edge lord'. 😅But I think insults/banter between turf-holding overlords (like in the pilot) is pretty much expected.
@@falsnamae3511 yeah, & do you think she actually gave a fuck about anything he actually said?
Vaggie's face at 7:02 when Emily takes Charlie's hand, and all the doddles that Adam did in his check list at 29:41, specially the "Cool S" and it's attempts x'D
29:29 is lowkey a threat towards Emily considering Sera was the one who kicked Lucifer out of heaven in the first place. So she’s basically saying that if you start to question things I’m gonna kick you out of heaven.
Well, intelligence is rebellion, especially when it leads to people figuring out that (for example) Christians often exaggerate their connection to Christ, have the Holy Spirit guiding them, etc. when in fact, they are simply either pretending or are outright foolish. I mean, Christians who don’t work for the world’s authorities aren’t exactly living lie detectors 😏
two hidden things I really liked about this episode. Cherry wasn't against the advances she just wanted him to admit it before giving a direct answer. during the song welcome to heaven when they hit the note everyone is hot, the girl sitting in the bottom right if they're still keeping her back story is Angel Dust twin sister
I hope they are keeping her Backstory and I think they might, because Molly really does look like a Spider Angel to Angel’s Spider Demon, she even seems to have Multiple Legs.
Also, so you think Cherri x Pentious is possible?
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It would be cute but I'm not going to start a shipping war
@@kitsune-mj7uv fair enough.
Anyone else feel like the Extermination is the result of Adam being all pissy about Lilith ditching him? Granted he's probably not smart enough for that, but imagine if that was the ACTUAL reason. Also, Vaggie's face when Emi and Charlie held hands~
I have heard that being suggested, we’ll have to see if that will be the case, though I could see it.
After this episode, there’s one thing I want to know: what is Heaven so afraid of? Sera’s attitude towards the extermination doesn’t reflect someone who enjoys it being done, especially if the Exorcist’s activities are kept hidden. Instead, it comes off like a draconian response to a perceived threat
They're afraid of sin finding its way into heaven. Or, in that case, hell uprising.
Fear can drive people to justify terrible things,
From the logic of Heaven's leadership, If Hell is full of the wicked and the depraved, and it obviously has higher population growth, The surely they'd be stronger, and not willing to keep their evil to themselves, clearly the only path then is to prevent Hell from growing, keep it under Heaven's thumb in perpetuity.
Of course in truth this was never sustainable, cracks in the system were already showing, and the moment Adam decided to accelerate the time table, that only accelerated the ruination to come. Because now Hell is being backed into a corner, Key figures now know a sinner can kill an angel. Like it or not the very war Heaven thought they were preventing, will be caused by the very means they sought to prevent it. Had a different approach been taken, it could have been halted, but now a war that basically neither side wanted has become inevitable.
That, or when they said that overpopulation is a problem, they secretly weren’t talking about Hell being overpopulated 😶
@@narindercatt2230Well, Maybe wouldn’t be an uprising if they didn’t go and kill everyone each year. It’s also like, why would the demons uprise? For what? What is the problem!
@@queenbee3561 The problem is extermination -> risk of uprising -> extermination -> risk of uprising -> violence -> violence
It's a loop
Adam is so bad at keeping secrets, how did they ever keep the exterminations a secret
Lute probably
Simple: no one wants to talk to him
The best way for an asshole to become a bigger asshole is to stick in their circle of assholes.
Aside from this court meeting he probably never interacts with anyone but the Exorcists, because he thinks he's better than anyone anyway.
Hm, well, how often has there been meetings between Heaven and Citizens from Hell?
Actually, how often have they had visitors from Hell in general?
You know, I like how Cherri was written in this episode. She's not a great influence on Angel, but she's still trying to help him deal with everything because she cares for him. It's a nicely nuanced take.
She's also been getting wasted with Angel for years so Angel suddenly changing and calming down is gonna be weird for her too
Sir Pentious killed me in this episode 😂 he's hopeless but hilarious ❤
8:10 to add to the point, imagine if you will, your in heaven, you died and were deemed good enough to enter, your sad that your friends and some family didnt make it and it saddens you that you cant be with them, but at least they're still around, then you learn that not only are they in hell but they're also being terminated down there, completely removed from existence. imagine what that revelation would do to you
I just realized something! When Charlie jumped in the portal, before it closes, Sir Pentious almost went through the portal, too! I think that's a little foreshadowing to what happens to him!
Alicia really is the target audience for this show, it’s actually kinda hilarious
I loved this episode my favourite after masquerade, Emily is my favourite character, I also like angel dust a bit more, not that I ever disliked him but I think actually showing that he’s trying to get better gives a lot more depth to him, also also I’m so glad that unlike a lot of shows that focus on hell and demons, heaven here aren’t irrevocably the Bad GuysTM, they have assholes being assholes and a pretty benign government trying to protect their people but going about it in the wrong way and those at the top trying to hide it from their colleagues because they know it’s pretty fucked up despite them believing it necessary, it adds much more nuance, I am so happy.
Also also also, I love You Didn’t Know, my second favourite song after Loser, Baby, third is Stayed Gone. All in all this is the Shit, the definite article, this is the hype and the hope, I am in love with it.
It's an interesting duality. In hell, it's the bad place with a beacon of hope: the Hazbin Hotel. Then in heaven, you get the good place with the dark secret: the exterminators. Even the rulers are in a gray area, with Lucifer being a soft dreamer, but gave up on his people, while Sera has her people's safety in mind but is handling it with brutality and lies
In this episode we can officially say: shit hit the fan HARD. Sad that there's supposedly only 2 more episodes left
Season 2 was already announced though, so we probably won't have to wait too long for new episodes
@@WaltDevil060 yeah season 2 was announced, but that probably just comes out next year
@@Springy05animation takes time it is what it is
@@Springy05 They've started voice-recording though, but yeah.
@@Springy05 Well, I waited a whole four years for Season 1. I can stand to wait a year for Season 2.
Yay, Emily IS the precious little angel fans hoped she would be from her card!!!
Whenever there's a wall there's gonna be a hole, and i guess that's just how hell is.
Finally! I was checking every like five minutess
Adam is one of my favorite characters ever in hazbin hotel. The way he reacts to Charlie is absolutely amazing oh and the holigram jokes were hilarious. Him targeting the hotel is one of the best ideas he has ever had. Also the extermination being moved up to six months instead of a year was hilarious Valentino is also one of my favorite characters in hazbin hotel his interactions with angel dust in episode six were absolutely amazing. Valentino makes angel very pissed off at him which is how I want there relationship to continue. Valentino and angel dusts encounter in public was hilarious
Fun fact for Pentious lovers who don't know he, is voiced by Alex Brightman who also voices Adam on the show and Fizzaroli in Helluva Boss.
Keep in mind that Charlie probably has some degree of PTSD from the many years of exterminations she lived through. So she may have a trigger issue with Angels in general or maybe exterminators specifically.
Good point.
I dont know if you clocked it but in ep 5 at the start of the second song lucifer said he tried the exact same thing then when it pans out you see that all the windows have his apple in the design. It makes it that much more touching when he decides to support charlie despite knowing the outcome but he choose to be the help that wasnt there for him
"He was the first human soul in Heaven." It took me this reaction video to find a HUGE flaw in that statement by Sera. If anything, it would've been Abel that would be the first soul in Heaven since he was the first human to be killed... sadly by the hands of his jealous older brother.
Well, yes, Biblically, but neither of the boys have even been mentioned. For that matter neither has Eve except for the storybook beginning. Eve is definitely going to be a plot point but maybe the two brothers just aren't a part of this story. Just a thought.
@@cyberwolf_1013 While I do enjoy the plot Hazbin Hotel provides, my only beef with it is all of the Biblical theory inaccuracies portrayed so far. I don't hate what's being shown in the series, and kudos with these ideas, but I think more could be done. Of course, this is only the first season and we're just seeing the buildup of what's about to go down.
@@falsnamae3511 Is this in reference to Norse mythology in the MCU?
I wonder if one of the reasons angel can’t ascend into heaven is because Valentino currently owns his soul
Could be, but regardless if it is, they wouldn’t really know about it if that were the case.
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though if that's the case that even divine judgement can break it, then that's those contracts really OP.
Sera is using Lucifer and the fear of falling to keep Emily in line, like the bogeyman or something
26:24 in this shot when they stand on that orb, you can see how similar they are like two sides of the coin like if there was one character and thay split it in to
Got some top tier musical theater songs these last two episodes
To be honest before this episode I was expecting Vaggie to be the first soul redeemed. She's been helping Charlie longer than anyone, she always has faith in Charlie and as far as we know she doesn't indulge in any particular vices like anyone else.
"If Hell is forever, then Heaven must be a lie."
Damn, I love this line.
Ah shit, " He's not even a danger noodle, he's just a noodle!" That poor, unthreatening, verbose, linpwristed bottom! He needs snuggles! That's why he has so many coils.
I’m sure Vaggie realized at some point that she was going to have to tell Charlie her background, but that there was never a good moment. Especially when the extermination day got moved up to six months and Charlie’s been super busy.
Adam said they coming to exterminate the hotel first but we already know that alastor is not letting that slide💀
When I saw the reveal of Vaggie, I was surprised; not because of what it was but for the fact it was such a info dump so suddenly. They kept info about her a secret while giving out little fun facts regarding the other characters, plus her weapon is a spear like the angels use. Way back in the pilot I had theorized it was an angelic weapon that got swiped during the extermination, but it may be her own actual execution weapon. The hints were there, we just didn’t see them.
@7:00 Vaggie: **Unauthorized hand holding detected** 😂😂😂
Alicia's surprise at the Vaggie reveal is funny to me because it was the least surprising reveal in the show so far
19:58 It doesn't count if it's your husband.
One of the reasons that you're my favorite reaction youtuber is your emotional intellect, PAIRED with your eloquency.
Many people are emotionally intelligent. But not everyone know how to communicate it like you do. Your monologues are the best.
Valentino is such a crazy villain man. Like all it took was him SEEING Nifty for my heart to sink. I hope to GOD we see this mf dead by the end of this season.
By an Heavenly Weapon or just by an ordinary weapon to make him feel the pain of being revived?
@@johanstenfelt1206Yes
@@johanstenfelt1206 I mean Charlie is half angel and Vaggie is literally an executioner. I think they have the power to kill him permanently.
@@Ockto_ it’s not about power, from what we currently know, it’s mostly about the Weapons.
@@johanstenfelt1206 Well the reason why angelic weapons are so deadly is BECAUSE they have angelic energy. Charlie and Vaggie do as well.
It's not confirmed but it logically makes sense that angelic power can be deadly to overlords whether it comes from a weapon or a person. Also, Vaggie still has her Executioner Spear. Which is an angelic weapon.
I'm glad that it shows Angel is actually working on his progress trying to get into heaven and become rehabilitated. Also love the hell is forever remix. Seeing all this here's my crack theory: Currently there's only heaven and hell, I wonder if the eventual disparities between "unheavenly" people in heaven and "heavenly" people in hell would lead to purgatory and they make a new dimension or something?, idk. Thanks for the video
Love this as always!
Omg I love your vrchat vids!
I feel bad for Vaggie. Like, she didn't even choose to be an excorcist . Adam made/named her and she gets punished for trying to help out/refusing to kill a scared, crying baby! I would even argue while being a killer, due to circumstances, she's not necessarily a murderer. Of course, you could argue the other way. There's a fine line between definitions. The actions are still very real and weigh heavy on her. Husk did call Vaggie out in episode 4 about how she's very judgemental cause she hates herself.Also, I'm more worried how everyone outside of Charlie is gonna take this at first.
And lastly, kudos to Angel for sticking it to Val and for Charlie and Emily calling heaven out!
Was still cute to see Angel Dust's sister in this episode.
Hm, yeah,
…actually, I have forgotten, was Angel’s Mother also in Heaven or was it just his Sister?
We don't know much about their mom. But that was definitely Molly @@johanstenfelt1206
@@rosenrot234 yeah, no doubt, she practically looked like a Heavenly version of him.
Not me stopping everything I was doing to watch this reaction ❤
Anybody else notice that husk blushed when angel gave him a drink
Do you have the time for it? I tried to find it but must be missing it. (Or which part of the episode it's in?) :)
@@KyrieChii17:17 is when I saw it. But when I saw it on prime it was a different time stamp since on this video it’s hard to see it but in the original one husk blushes
He also might just be drunk
🎵If Hell is forever then Heaven must be a lie!🎵 🔥
I love your positivity😭
I’ve been watching a ton of reaction videos from different because I can’t watch this on prime and this video is the only one that’s actually good.
I'm a little torn on what I hope happens with Emily. On one hand, it'd be great to have her in Heaven working from that side to achieve Charlie's goal. On the other, it'd be pretty cool to see her fallen, with Lucifer stepping up to help keep her from winding up like him. Either way, I just want her interacting with Charlie more! I can easily see them becoming like favorite cousins to each other
THANK YOU. THANK. YOU. Exaaccttlyy. Someone else saw the potential in between the lines.
Seen a lot of people react to Emily saying "thousands of innocent" and go "I mean they're not exactly innocent" in some form or another, and I'm like. No no, Emily's perspective is probably right...
In Emily's mind. She just heard everyone in the court, herself included, confused in what makes someone go to heaven or hell, or, stay in either.
which meant that innocent people could be going to hell. Cause innocence, or being innocent / good etc, might not get someone to go to heaven. It might not even be the same for every soul. They don't know. Not even true angels, "non-human soul" angels, know.
It is interesting, though... that Adam was the first human soul in heaven....
There should have been other souls... at least... potentially... before Adam's
That is if the descendants of Adam are still the same and generally the same story for their human lives...
Well, there were certainly quite a lot Twists and Turns in this and it has really made me want to see what happens next instantly, I can’t wait for the Finale and I hope it turns out well enough.
By the way, did anyone notice Angel’s Sister in Heaven?
10:06 to kind of add to the messed up situation in this scene. The whole thing that got Vaggie punished was sparing a child. That leaves one of two scenarios, either its a hellborn demon who has done nothing but be in hell, or it's a child that died on earth that, for some reason, was condemned to hell. Which is fucked up in and of itself.
Adam ate of a tree known as “knowledge of good and evil.” It would be fitting his soul became this demented.
(1:55) She's not concerned about that. She's concerned about something else....just you wait.😏
Gotta say in reference to Adam ruining himself before the court of heaven, that happens to be my favourite way of dealing with a bully. No one will care or lift a finger to help if you stand up for yourself, they’ll take you handling it as an excuse to ignore the situation, but if you give your enemy a platform they’ll just incriminate themselves. If you can tell they’re going to go off on some abusive tirade, lure them into the open and watch them crucify themselves before a jury of their peers.
Pentious and Adam being the same voice actor is wild to me XD
THE REPRISE OF HELL IS FOREVER JUST HIT
The way Charlie and Emily reprise the refrain of Hell is Forever
I want to see how adam goes up against alastor when he arrives
Funfact during welcome to heaven at 6:54(on your video) on the bottom right you can see a character that is most probably Molly, Angel Dust's sister, Vivzie said she wasn't in hell and her design is very close to what she looked like in the early drafts
18:28-18:41
Nifty is basically Husk and Angel's child😂
REALLY hurts that nobody remembers Angel's sister. My friends didn't even notice her during the song introducing Heaven. I was the one who saw her.
I've been basically stalking your account waiting for this to get uploaded I love this episode
I really like Cherri here. While it seems like she's just an enabler, trying to pull Angel down, it's important to remember that the last time they met up(that we're aware of), Angel wasn't taking the rehabilitation thing seriously. He was using just looking for a free place to crash.
Now they meet again, and he goes to the club with her without question. While she does push him to do drugs again, the moment she realises that he is actually serious about rehabilitation, she backs off, tells him she's happy for him, and that if he ever needs her she'll be there.
Didn't know goes SO HARD, GOD
As someone whos name is "Classified" said:
I usually sleep until i stop
Hi Lcassified, I’m dad
@@anabsolnamednyx899 hi dad, i am in love with you
6:54 Alicia heads up the one sitting on the ground on the right is Molly Angel Dusts twin sister who also died of a drug overdose like him. Which puts a ton of emphasis on how the angels have no clue what the rules are.
I theorise that Lilith is the one who revealed how to kill an angel to the weapon dealer, & she knew Charlie would push the angels to action early hence sending Alastor soon as she heard the broadcast of it from pilot.
Also Angel Dust is the key, & will ascend via sacrifice to save Charlie. Therefor showing everyone it is possible and we may even see what he looked like as a human.
I also suspect Lilith did not make a deal with Alastor, but instead possibly offered him one. By helping Charlie and keeping her safe, Lilith might have promised him a one of the highest ranking seats below her.
Also knew Vaggie was not *spoiler* a demon, but never thought she was an ex angel. I suspected she was like some kind of old school Valkyrie.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
By the way the stick it to man thing that adam says is a reference to one of the previous works of his VA because alex brightman played the protagonist of school of rock the musical and one of the main songs of that musical is called stick it to the man
I couldn't help but notice the few seconds where Adam entered the hotel room was cut from the reaction.
i have a susspicion that the only reason ADAM thought up the extermination is because he was hoping he could stick it to Llilith; he is the type of guy who clearly doesn't like being rejected.