I really wonder how come all the Bible translators are so boldly translating "aionios kolasis" as everlasting punishment without even mentioning in the footnotes that it is also at least possible to be translated as "an age of correction". This is such a fundamentally crucial knowledge that for some reason is being kept hidden.
@@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG God seems incapable of communicating in such a way that everyone would know of its existence, know what it wants, and know how it expects us to act.
The problem is these bible publishers know that if they depart from established dogma their bible will be boycotted. So translating these passages correctly is contrary to their financial interests. But there are bibles that have this correctly translated, it was the Rotherham bible that first drew my attention to it.
I looked up the definition of "cherry picking" in the dictionary and found a picture of William Lane Craig appealing to literally any ecumenical authority.
There has to be correction BECAUSE we all ARE made alive by Christ. Wow! That was big. Thx for putting it that way. The bible now makes more sense to me. I can physically feel the healing power of this message. Thanks!
After watching his attempt to refute universalism it does not look like he has done very much research on the topic, read a book supporting universalism or even thought about it for more than a minute or two.
His kind of evangelicalism is pernicious, however well-meaning. David Bentley Hart's treatment of the matter, not only from a logical-historical perspective but mostly from a moral one, has done much to allay a picture of God I inherited from evangelicalism (i.e., Calvinism), which, unwittingly I suppose, created a powerful, subconscious inward fear and resentment in me toward God. Reading DBH on the matter was something of a proper remedy that helped to reconnect with my youth-filled love of and appreciation for God and all that is. I consider this a plus at my age and profession (an almost senior uni prof of philosophy and religion). Anyway, just my 2 cents. Cheers!
I also used to reject Universalism. However I saw Biblically it never appeared to me to say that people would suffer in Hell eternally. Yes, Hell is an eternal place, but it seems to clearly say evil is burnt up. But I have come to believe there is good reason to consider universal salvation as a real possibility.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Universalism is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil!God gives people a clear choice to accept the offer of salvation or face annihilation! These verses mean that there will be very serious consequences, that's if people don't take the offer of salvation! V Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. 1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. 1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
I've been considering universalism for a while now. I also considered annihilationism. This is the first video I've watched from this guy. I'll keep watching... see if he convinces me.
If hell is a eternal place then it csnt be burned up. Hell is not eternal and not even real in scripture. It's either gehenna, sheol/hades. No mentions of hell there
@@O_tropos Do not be deceived. Many false prophets and teachers will come into this world to deceive people about God and truth. Hell has become a controversial subject in recent years, even among Christians. However, the controversy is entirely man-made. The rejection of the reality of hell stems from a human inability to reconcile the love of God with eternal punishment or from an outright rejection of God’s Word. Even some professing Christians have come to unbiblical conclusions. Some have tried to redefine hell, create an intermediate state not found in Scripture, or deny hell altogether. In doing so, they are ignoring Jesus’ warning in Revelation 22:19, “If anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.” Hell is mentioned 167 times in the Bible, sometimes called Gehenna, Hades, the pit, the Abyss, or everlasting punishment (Proverbs 7:27; Luke 8:31; 10:15; 2 Thessalonians 1:9). Jesus spoke of heaven and hell as real places (Matthew 13:41-42; 23:33; Mark 9:43-47; Luke 12:5). The story Jesus told about the rich man and Lazarus was an actual event that demonstrated the reality of the two eternal destinations (Luke 16:19-31). Heaven is the dwelling place of God (2 Chronicles 30:27) where Jesus has gone to “prepare a place” for those who love Him (John 14:2). Hell was created for “the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). But because every human being is a sinner, every person past the age of accountability has already been condemned to hell (Romans 3:10; 5:12; John 3:18). We all deserve hell as the just punishment for our rebellion against God (Romans 6:23). Jesus was clear that “no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again” (John 3:3). He was also clear that hell is an eternal punishment for those who do not obey Him (Matthew 25:46). 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 says that in the end God “will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”
This is hands-down one of the coolest channels on TH-cam. The degree of research and dedication this guy has put forth on this topic is quite impressive. Side note - goats can create problems, but they can also be quite friendly. Some goats are almost like puppies in their behavior towards humans.
what is funny is the greek word used as goat means a baby goat. the immature will go into further corrections so that they can enter life. there is only good in God.
Often overlooked is saint Gregory of Nyssa. He was a clearly a universalist. Just read his treatise on 1 Corinthians 15:28. He was not condemned at the 5 council. He was venerated as “the father of fathers” at the 8th council. I have heard that the possible condemnation of Origen in the 5th council is in dispute by scholars. It just seems that Gregory of Nyssa is being overlooked.
I never realized the metaphor of sheep and goats was how you put it! A sheep naturally follows God while a goat needs to be disciplined! That's brilliant! :D
I too just learned about the difference & appreciated the simple meaning when relating it to animals. We as humans can be as a Donkey & an Ass I suspect, eh? If only to stay young & protected again; instead of growing up to be a selfish ass, haha!
If anything pushed me away from God it was the idea that he would infinitely punish people it did not come across as loving or compassionate or just it just came at me like screw this cruel vicious god, it was Universalism that made me Happy in my belief in God once again! if it wasn't for Universalism I wouldn't not have come back to God!
Believing in hell made my mental health worst. A pastor told me it's good to feel that way 🙄. It was robbing me of joy and living a peaceful life. When I looked up scripture about universal reconciliations I felt peaceful. I didn't have to try to be perfect like some Christians tell us. Alot stuff was added in the bible to make your life worse. We are only human and not perfect. I believe God understand and is forgiving.
Do you think that Jesus is God? Also, if there are added bible verses, then why would God allow damn near the entire world to follow this "false" teaching? Almost half of earth population is consisted of Christianity. So... why would God allow His pee to follow something that was corrupted by early churches?
I’ve found that translating “aionios” as “a time of” provides a good sense of the word. “And these will go away into a time of correction but the righteous into a time of life” Thanks for the video, God bless brother.
@@fireandworms In Greek, the word "aionios" (αιώνιος) translates to "eternal," "everlasting," or "perpetual." It is an adjective derived from the noun "aión" (αἰών), which denotes an extended period of time or an age. "Aionios" describes something that is timeless, enduring, or without end.
@@daMillenialTrucker Aion does not mean an "extended" period of time. It just means a time period, AKA age. You can refer to many Greek documents to confirm this. It's a neutral word, it does not connote infinity or finiteness. Look at Matthew 24:3. It says the "end" of the "aion." Aion does not connote eternity or infinity, as you can see from that verse. Aionios is simply the adjective form of aion, it doesn't suddenly lose the potential to mean a finite time period upon becoming an adjective. "ιος" is simply used to construct adjectives, it doesn't change the meaning of "aion."
@@daMillenialTrucker ..no it means pertaining to an age or like OLAM it means something that lasts as long as it lasts...'aionios' appears many times in the Septuagint where it doesnt mean 'eternal'...
you are back in the saddle again.... riding harder than ever.... I pray that I and many others keep you in prayer. I download all your vids... with the purpose of review and for sharing with other saints.... wow.... you are an inspiration... May the body of Christ grow in its maturity throughout the world... in the name of Jesus!!! May we all step up and play a role in service to the King... you are prompting many in the body of Christ to play a role in service to our lord and savior. You are defending the character of God Almighty... what a service... God Bless you!!!
Yes, "defending the character of God Almighty". I'd say the suffering humans face, and interpretation of endless afterlife torture punishment, are the foremost reasons people reject Christianity, and Atheism is the popular alternative. What "father" would be seen as a good father doing that.
“To his own Master he is standing or falling”. Paul wrote this to admonish those with understanding to kindly bare with those who have not the same knowledge. Fault finding and disputes over words and beliefs are not of God. The flesh always wars with the holy spirt. Denying our flesh by not allowing it to rule our thoughts is why Jesus sent us his spirit. If the spirit of Christ, our teacher and comforter, abides in you, be a peacemaker. Salvation is the work of God alone. Rest in His plan and goodness. Brother Lawrence
In one of your videos, you mentioned a book { the first book that you read} , when you started out on this journey. I can't seem to fnd your comment again.? Can you please tell me the name of the book? Ty { I think it was something to do with the early church fathers. }
I should do a video on how I came to embrace apokatastasis as the correct doctrine. But the first book, that became the turning point for me, was; "Universalism, the Prevailing doctrine of the Christian church for the first 500 years" by John Wesley Hanson It's a kind walk through church history with a lot of quotes from early church fathers. It was those quotes that drew my attention to various biblical passages, I realized they understood them very differently than most do today. So I went back and read the whole New Testament again and things just kept jumping out to me, and as my journey progressed I started this channel to share what I learned.
@@christophergibson7155 Did you understand my original post? Study the root words -- it doesn't say "eternal" in the original language It was mistranslated by the Latin Vulgate. There are two good channels that teach about this. Love Unrelenting and The Total Victory of Christ.
A terrific analysis of the subject. Dr. Craig most likely does not want to address these items due to the stigma Christendom has attached to Universal Restoration. I am surprised he addressed it at all. Anyway Thanks for posting this!
I've considered that he is perhaps trapped in that position because of his status as a Christian apologist. He doesn't want to undermine that work with people who would see embracing Universal Restoration as discrediting him. However, I wish he would soften his stance a bit, say something like, "Every Christian should hope it's true because God hopes it's true. I know there are arguments in favor of Universal Restoration, but I'm not convinced" Something like that.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 First off, thank you for this excellent dissection of Dr. Craig's arguments against Apocatastasis. Regarding why Dr. Craig may be unwilling to relent upon the position of the restoration of all things, I've heard others propose the theory that he tried to debate someone named Raymond Bradley way back in 1994 concerning ultimate reconciliation versus eternal conscious torment, and he apparently didn't fare too well. I believe his debate is still on TH-cam titled "The Problem of Hell: Raymond Bradley vs. William Lane Craig (Debate)". I'm not sure if you're familiar with that debate, or if you did hear it before if you had any thoughts on it?
I like WLC enormously, but I myself witnessed WLC apparently shift from what seemed to be an annihalist view to today’s more traditional view. I think especially as a public person seen as a representative of the rationality of the Christian, there must be enormous pressure to conform to the bulk of the people who stand by your side.
Originally the noun aion came from the idea of the life of man, or time of life. Our life is our aion. Or, something lasting for the life of a given situation or system. But adjectives are "of" things. For example, things that are "seasonal" are "of the season", and things that are aionios are "of the age". An age is also understood as a "world", such as "the world of the 20th century". Therefore to obtain aionios life, is to obtain the life of a specific age, which is biblically the age of the Messiah who raises mankind into immortality. Meaning this life lives on forever, even beyond that age, which does come to an end in 1 Cor. 15 when Christ hands the reign of the kingdom back to the Father. Hope that helps.
@@freespiritpearl89 I didn't say he is. It's because he has many listeners / big influence whether you like him or not. Btw, neither are you as we are fall short and need Jesus. Good night
@@SaraSara-di3hsPeterson is the usual conservative but with added intellectual flair. At the end of the day it’s the same old “preserve our power” and ignore the poor, oppressed and suffering. Peterson makes the Bible one big psychological metaphor and rejects the core teachings of the gospels. It makes perfect sense that many in conservative Christendom find him attractive - he is just as repulsed by Jesus’ teachings as are they.
@@gfujigo ...what? What do you mean repulsed? Like, you can't expect a nonbeliever to bite into teachings of Christianity like an actual Christian but to say he's repulsed by them is a bit much.
I will go watch the Hitchens debate, but I have never really been interested in the Christian/Athetist debate. To me both sides are comical and sad. I have always leaned toward the division between Truth/Religion. I'm convinced it is far far easier to convince an athesit that their is a God than to convince a religious person of the Truth, i.e. the True nature of God.
“For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made.” (Isaiah 57:16) they always show us where hell is eternal but when we show them scripture for universalism they say were cherry picking lol you are doing the same thing then lol.
How it is possible? I thought God had a plan.(Eph 1 :9-12) But He isn't mighty enough to succeed according to this preacher Is it possible to go on preaching after such a statement? To put the human will on a higher level than God's results in a theological avalanche.
Just be careful when you do try to find a chores cuz a lot of these churches that kind of go about the same universalism belief they're progressive christians, they think it's okay for getting him to get married it's not okay so just be careful. There's nothing different from us and other Christians outside of the fact that we think there is a different ending
With all due respect, W L Craig is a decent philosopher but a mediocre theologian. He defends the most absurd nonsense, such as penal substitution and infernalism.
I suspect Dr. Craig would agree his strength is philosophy. However, he's not a terrible theologian, much of his theological commentary is spot on, such as on the nature of Christ and so forth.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 I disagree. He thinks of God as a being among beings, even if he is the supreme being; his understanding of the trinity is social, which means that he thinks of the hypostases as centred of consciousness, which is tantamount to tri-theism; he thinks that God has to punish Christ to forgive us of our sins, which is morally revolting; and so on. D B Hart has absolutely trounced his theology. Craig is Orthodox in one way but unorthodox in another. He is no Karl Barth!
@@Carlos-sr8km (1) Where does it say in scripture that God _punished_ Christ? (2) Where does it say in scripture that God could only forgive us by having his own Son cruelly murdered? The answer is 'nowhere'. Christ was killed because he was faithful to the mission given him by the Father, which was to love. But, as Herbert McCabe liked to say, to love in this world is to be killed. If God needed to kill someone to 'forgive us' then that is by definition not forgiveness. In the parable of the prodigal son does the father need to lash out at anyone before he receives his son back? No. When his son returns he rushes to embrace him.
Sheol or new testament Hades was never split into two parts, the Old testament says that everybody went to the same place good or bad, they dug that right out of the apocrypha and put it in the New testament text that sheol was split into two parts, and on top of that Luke 16 is only a parable about the Jews and the gentiles, and if that's not enough Hades has been cast into the lake of (pur) fire!
Regarding Matt 25:31-46: Craig's basic and orthodox interpretation of this passage doesn't stem from thinking goats or left-handedness are symbols for evil/worthless things. It comes from reading the passage, where it says those on the left are going to eternal punishment. Regarding Greek: Have you looked at the BDAG entry for either κολασις or αιωνιος? Because I did, and they aren't favorable to your points. It seems obvious that your word studies are misleading people. There's a reason that no translations follow your suggestions- and it's not because they are all conspiring to hide the true meaning of the Greek.
One more thing you are missing, the Latin word eternal is brought into English from the Latin Vulgate. In Latin "eternal" is spelled "aeternus" and just like aiṓnios the primary definition is "of an age" LINK TO LATIN DICTIONARY: www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0060%3Aentry%3Daeternus In short the Latin word "eternal" doesn't even mean endless unless the context forces that understanding. I can't think of anything about punishment from God what would make me think it's endless. Also you are confounding "orthodoxy" with "tradition", endless punishment was never a critical church doctrine.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Neither the meaning of the Latin word "auternus" nor the etymology of the English word "eternal" are relevant- translators are translating the Greek, so the actual concern is what the Greek says and means. All the Greek resources I can find don't support your view- they support the traditional translation of "eternal". I'm looking at BDAG, Thayer's, Strong's, Louw-Nida, and the DBL. Most broadly, the 3 options the semantic range offers are 1. Pertaining to a long period of time, "long ago". 2. Pertaining to a period of time without beginning or end, "eternal". 3. Pertaining to a period of unending duration, "without end". The meaning is plain: the focus of the word is on the unending-ness of what it is describing (whether looking backwards, forwards, or both), the non-time-restricted-ness of it. This is exactly the opposite of what you are trying to convince people it means. Why should I take your definition of αιωνιος over all of these trusted scholarly Greek resources?
@@hallboy5 Out of the five Lexicons I'm looking at one kind of supports your view. To be fair aiónios can connote endlessness if the context forces that understanding. But I have no good reason to think the context of punishment connotes endlessness. That makes no sense, especially if we are reading about a just God in the Bible. aiónios: Liddell Scott: "lasting for an age". Strong's Concordance *agelong* eternal (of course we know eternal means of an age). HELPS Word-studies "age-like", NAS Exhaustive Concordance: age long, eternal. Thayer's Greek Lexicon "without beginning or end"
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Here are the glosses for αιωνιος in the best lexicons I've got access to: BDAG (which is unrivaled as the premier Greek lexicon): long ago; eternal; without end LSJ (Liddell Scott): lasting for an age; perpetual, eternal GELNT (Thayer): without beginning or end; without beginning; without end, never to cease, everlasting Louw-Nida: eternal (which also mentions that "There is no real distinction in meaning between the terms ἀΐδιος and αἰώνιος") DBL Greek: eternal, an unlimited duration; since all time EDNT: eternal, everlasting Lampe's Patristic Greek Lexicon: eternal I'm curious- where did you get the idea that αιωνιος can only mean endlessness if the context forces it? From what I can tell, it actually seems like it's the opposite- αιωνιος can only connote a temporally limited idea if the context forces that understanding. Here are some relevant quotes from Greek scholarship on the meaning of this word: "Without pronouncing any opinion on the special meaning which theologians have found for this word, we must note that outside the NT, in the vernacular as in the classical Greek, it never loses the sense of perpetuus. ...In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view" -Moulton, James Hope, and George Milligan. The Vocabulary of the Greek Testament, Hodder and Stoughton, 1930, p. 16. "Throughout the NT αἰώνιος can be rendered by eternal. In the LXX it often represents Heb. ‘ôlām and thus infuses a statement which referred originally to a distant time (→ αἰών 2) with the dimension of the 'eternal.' ... The eternity of God consists in God’s faithfulness, which is without beginning and end and remains unchanged throughout the changing of the times (cf. Gen 21:33 LXX). In the same way, everything belonging to the nature and sphere of God endures and is not subject to the circumstantiality of this world, e.g., δόξα (1 Pet 5:10), πνεῦμα (Heb 9:14), κράτος (1 Tim 6:16, in a doxology), σωτηρία (Heb 5:9; Mark 16 [short ending]), the abiding, heavenly οἰκία which replaces the perishable earthly body (2 Cor 5:1; cf. also Luke 16:9: αἰωνίους σκηνάς), but also eternal fire and judgment (cf. Matt 18:8; 25:41, 46a; 2 Thess 1:9; Heb 6:2; Jude 7). In this negative accentuation the meaning unceasing, everlasting comes through even more strongly than is true in cases where there is a positive stress." -Balz, Horst Robert, and Gerhard Schneider. Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament, vol. 1, Eerdmans, 1990-, pp. 46-47. "Some passages where ʾOlam is rendered αἰώνιος, and used with reference to the wicked, may here be cited:-Ps. 78:66, ‘He hath given them perpetual reproach;’ Jer. 18:16, ‘He hath made their land desolate and a perpetual hissing;’ 23:40, ‘Perpetual dishonour;’ 51:39, 57, ‘I will make them drunken, that they may rejoice, and sleep a perpetual sleep;’ Ezek. 35:5, 9, ‘Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, … I will make thee a perpetual desolation;’ compare Zeph. 2:9. In Dan. 12:2, the word is applied not only to everlasting life, but also to everlasting contempt, which shall be the lot of some after the resurrection. In the passages quoted, which are a considerable proportion and a fair specimen of the whole, the LXX rendering is usually αἰώνιος or εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα; these Greek phrases, therefore, when they reappear in the N.T., must be interpreted in accordance with the usage of the word ʾOlam. They give a conception which, though negative, is sufficiently clear. Eternity is endlessness; and this idea is only qualified by the nature of the object to which it is applied, or by the direct word of God." -Girdlestone, Robert Baker. Synonyms of the Old Testament: Their Bearing on Christian Doctrine. Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1998, pp. 316-17. I find that last quote particularly compelling- in the LXX, the Hebrew word "olam" is essentially always translated as "αιων_", and thus the NT use of αιωνιος must be interpreted in accordance with the LXX usage. Olam, in the OT, carries the sense of forever, perpetuity, or eternity approximately 89% of the time. I recognize that I've written a mini-paper in this comment... sorry for that xD But I'm attempting to provide a quick yet faithful summary of the Greek scholarship on this issue, which in my opinion seems to be clearly at odds with your view. You seem like a swell guy and I appreciate the cordial demeanor you've displayed in the video and comments! God bless.
@@hallboy5 Well primary definition of the Latin word eternal (aeternus) is "of an age". So if "eternal" is the definition of aionios it thus means "of an age". So Jerome clearly didn't understand aionios to denote endless, if he did he would have said "infinitum" not "aeternum". But usage trumps lexicography. Plato invented the adjective aionios and never uses it to mean endless. He quotes four instances of aion, and three of aionios, in a single passage, in contrast with aidios (eternal.) The gods he calls eternal, (aidios) but the soul and the corporeal nature, he says, are aionios, belonging to time, and "all these," he says, "are part of time" . Ancient lexicographers didn't define aionios as endless. Grove: "Aionios, eternal, immortal, perpetual, former, past, ancient" Donnegan: "Aionios, of long duration, lasting, eternal, permanent." Ewing: "Aionios, finite or infinite" Schrevelius: "Aionios, of long duration, lasting, sometimes everlasting, sometimes lasting through life." Lutz: "Aionios, durable, eternal." Macknight: (Scotch Presbyterian.) " These words being ambiguous are always to be understood according to the nature and circumstances to which they are applied" And I think Macknight is correct. Aionios and Aion are contextually dependent words. So if you think the context of punishment forces the idea of endless then fine, that's just your opinion. I have no reason to think aionios in the context of punishment means endless. In my view that is clearly contrary to reason. And all those examples were quoted by Dr. John Wesley Hanson. But if you need more I have much more.
When Aaron’s Priesthood authority was challenged by Korah in Numbers 16, God resolved it by letting Moses to take the families Rod with their names and deposit them in the tent of Meeting before the testimony. God said who’s Rod sprout 🌱 is the chosen. By the wisdom given to me I humbly deposite before the Mercy Seat the Rod of the Restoration of All Things and the Rod of the Eternal Punishment. It shall Come that The Rod that sprout 🌱 is What Is lawful and Shall stand. Lord Thy Will Be Done.
Universalism is intuitively correct. Man has been on earth for thousands and thousands of years throughout the word. Thus the message is unconditional love which every person through time and anywhere CAN understand if an attempt is made to move towards the light (love).
I love your channel. Great explanation with the value of goats. Also AION as season. I believe in universalism. I also believe in "one door, one way". The same way I was born again, so will every other sinner, including Hitler. They will look at themselves objectively for the first time, they will see the Christ in them, they will recognize him as their only hope of glory and healing, and they will fall down at his feet seeking forgiveness. Punishment fixes nothing in humans. God and his ways are not different than Jesus and his ways. Only love heals. Punishment and pain only cause more damage.
I recently (as of last year) have turned to Christ. I am familiar with Platonism, Adviata Vedanta, and have thumbed through Augustine Of Hippo’s The City Of God as well as John Scott’s Devisions Of Nature. I quite appreciated (from what I have read in The City Of God) Augustine’s reply to the Platonist Porphyry’s “Against The Christians.” How for example he defends the resurrection by citing that Porphyry’s understanding was different to that of Plato himself, that the Athenian had an understanding of the harmony of spirit and matter that contradicted Porphyry’s assertion. Thus Christianity is the “actualisation of Platonism”. Augustine writes - “None are closer to us (Christians) than the Platonists.” Yet despite my liking of what Augustine has said with regards to somethings so far, I personally don’t like the hellfire and brimstone doctrine of eternal damnation. I am drawn to Christian Universalism and wonder if it is also reflected in the works of John Scott. That being that all ultimately returns to God, if I haven’t misread John Scott that is.
I'm leaning towards universalism. I think everything you said made sense. I especially liked how you encouraged people to do their own research. I disagree about Mary being a virgin forever. What, you think she never had sex with her husband, dude? I think there's also a verse that said that Jesus had brothers.
Like most Protestants Dr. Craig doesn't believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary, that's why I brought that up. He is leaning on the opinion of a council he openly disagrees with.
Don't all Christians believe murderers can be saved if they repent and give their lives to Christ? Paul took part in the martyrdom of Stephen. So the idea that there will be murderers in heaven isn't unique to Universal Restoration. Paul taught that you reap what you sow, so I don't think God is letting anyone off the hook. Paul himself spent half his life in prison and was executed in Rome. Doesn't sound like he got away with it to me.
Your heart is wicked and prideful if you don’t equate yourself with the whole of mankind and the shared sin nature we all inherited. Paul called himself the chief of sinners. And that murderer has been redeemed just as you needed to
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838There’s no amount on retributive justice that can be dished out in any case which is why Jesus is always and forever going to be enough. We don’t always reap what we sow. We reap life with God forever and we didn’t sow that.
I remember a funny comic that reflect on the problem of Christianity, or more about doctrine Infernalism Jesus pointed to A little kid in heaven, as he and his parent get murdered by a drunk driver Jesus said:”Do you know this man ? He murdered your family but is asking me for repentance, he is going to Heaven.” Kid:”But what about my parents?” Jesus:”Did your parents heard about my Gospel and follow my leadership?” I promise you that you won’t be rejoice in this kind of Heaven if you knowing your murderer have repented and goes to heaven while the murdered victim goes to Hell to suffer for eternity
I remember hearing him talk about point 4… that all the 100% of all the people in “hell” will only grow in their hatred for God… That doesn’t jive with the law of statistics… also what about the people who’ve never heard about Jesus?
So many teachers and scholars i look up to, all teach universalism. Including David Bentley Hart. They all give a very convincing argument. That all shall be saved is a very good read also Hope beyound Hell ,and of course, unspoken sermons by George MacDonald. And my favourite professor Keith Ward from oxford University
If oblivion is the future of mankind it would be meaningless to know it, having a sense of hope and purpose creates a much more healthy mental state during this short spark of existence. And believing that dead chemicals assembled themselves into bacteria and bacteria slowly turned into people resulting in immaterial human consciousness seems a stretch. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
Luke 18:30 [30]Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting. This has "world to come" - which according to you is ainios and this verse also has everlasting life which also mean ainios life, so this means he meant different meanings using the same word i.e., place & time How will you explain this?
Actually the word translated as "world" in some bibles in Luke 18:30 is actually the Greek word aion too. So in that age we obtain an aionios life. Often adjectives are used to describe the quality of something. For example from our noun "duration" we derive the adjective "durable". HELPS word studies actually points that out about aionios, it's often used to describe the quality of something.
Actually, He used two parts of speech for the same root word (e.g., noun, adjective). The noun aion was used for "age to come" and the adjective aionion was used for life "of that age" that is to come. So, He was saying "in the age to come, you will have life pertaining to that age." We only know that this "age-pertaining" life is indeed forever, not because of this verse, but because of Paul's teaching in 1 Cor. 15 and Jesus's teaching in Luke 20, regarding what the resurrection of that age means, in that we will no longer be able to die.
I pity Mr. Craig and his big brain and ego. He makes sense to man but does not understand God or believe God. Thank God that God chooses the weak and ignoble seeing as I and my brethren are knuckleheads. Where sin increases, grace abounds. God's overwhelming grace and love are the source of God's glory, and beyond the scope of dear William. Christ was successful on His mission for His Father, to bring creation to salvation and into an understanding of Him for His desire. God gets what He wants. Love grace and peace
Craig doesn't have a big ego, he's actually a humble man. He's publicly debated atheists for many years who always attack Christian belief with the apparently incoherency of an all loving and powerful God being forced to punish people for al eternity. Craig has developed a debating tactic that shows such a view isn't incoherent as a response.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 "Apparent" incoherency? Suggesting our loving and powerful God, Who wills to redeem all mankind, Who is somehow forced to punish those for whom Christ died, forever, is indeed incoherent.
@@dalekelley Well, I agree with you, but Craig's arguments are philosophical, that it is possible God can be all loving and allow human free will at the same time, which would allow for the idea of endless rebellion against God.
@@dalekelley Sure if people choose to reject God and salvaion and continue to evil, of course. Didnt the angels rebel. Was it Gods intention for them to rebel, or did they make their choice.
I don't 'believe' in universalism, but I do know Christ saves ALL. This Truth MUST be revealed to man from above to each personally. The real question is not "Who do 'they' say that I am?" But rather, "Who do 'you' say that I am?" This is the rock on which Christ's work is made manifest. There are those who reject this cornerstone in order to retain their right to their own free will rather than follow Christ into the garden of Gethsemane and proclaim, "Not my will but Your Will. Those that refuse to believe in Christ's absolute, infinite unfailing work are the goats. God will bring them to revelation, eventually.
I agree with your views. Gods has shown you things. God will bring ALL to know Him in His time. As in the parable, the good shepherd searches UNTIL all lost are found and returned. Thanks for sharing.
Yes. I believe the rebellion and the eruption of evil was unavoidable and inevitable and it has a crucial role to play, this is why God does not destroy it yet and allow it to flourish. Later, God will release His flaming wrath upon all the rebels to correct them and humble them down so that they too would surrender and bow down before God and confess, sincerely with their heart mind soul and strength that He is the only God there is and the only One worthy of worship.
@@nikokapanen82 Agreed. He hasn't destroyed evil or rebellion because we would all be destroyed. It's not about overcoming evil to bask in goodness, but to overcome self to bask in Glory. We cannot choose to surrender 'that one thing we lack' that we value above all other possessions, our right to ourselves. We trust our life in our own hands and prove it by refusing to forfeit that right back to the One whom gave it to begin with.
@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb Loving/hating God has nothing to do with some man-made unbiblical non-existent free will choice doctrine. It has everything to do with your inner nature. To hate God, you need to have an elevated attitude towards your own worth, the more you love yourself, the more you hate God (Satan is an example). On the other hand, humility loves God because humility sees the truth as it is, sees how good and righteous God is and how pleasant and good it is to love and serve Him. Remember King Nebuchadnezzar? He was a proud man, but God decided to punish him to humble him and remember the result? Here is what he said after the humiliation: "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything He does is just, and all His ways are just and those who walk in pride, He can humble" "Daniel 4:37 Notice that God does not force him to say so, no, he deliberately and joyfully praises and exalts God, why? Because God humbled him, he now sees the truth, he sees who God is and how good and righteous it is to love Him, and not yourself. So, you see, this idea that love of God is a completely random spontaneity that happens randomly in some people and not in others is nonsense. All truly humble people naturally love God and cannot help but love Him, while all truly proud people hate Him and cannot love Him. Note that Nebuchadnezzar also said very profound words: "Those who walk in pride, He can humble." Yes, God can humble the proud, meaning He can fix them to love Himself, and that's what God has done to some of us. He has already humbled us, and that is the only reason we love Him. We believers did not choose God, no, God chose us, humbled us, and gave us a new heart and mind that loves Him and wants to serve Him.
As "Graciousness" goes you are throwing pearls to swine. WLC is THE ENEMY -- he is "hawshawtawn" to the True Gospel. We're not asked or commanded to be goody2shoes to these "Experts".
I thought the gates of hell are locked from the inside was cs Lewis I think the rich man and Lazarus is a parable and the great gulf is probably a metaphor
No one goes straight to heaven or the new Jerusalem. The dead are DEAD until they are raised by Christ Jesus, but yes, even Hitler and Anne Frank, lol. Just out of curiosity, what did Anne Frank do that was so terrible?
@@jasonegeland14462Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Universalism is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil!God gives people a clear choice to accept the offer of salvation or face annihilation! These verses mean that there will be very serious consequences, that's if people don't take the offer of salvation! V Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. 1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. 1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
@@whelperw That's only punishable by being sent to hell in Islam (Muhammed said he was shown hell and most people there were women, and that women are spiritually deficient because our minds and bodies make us that way).
it would be cool if dr. Craig wood actually read and understand the New testament greek rather than pretending to know what he’s talking about by simply assuming and piggy backing off conventional augustinian theology
Dr. Craig is primarily a scholar of philosophy, and he's made significant contributions to the wider Christian community with his apologetics. But he's a traditional academic, so that's no surprise. I just wish he would soften his stance on this topic a bit, I think he's being unnecessarily dogmatic.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Universalism is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil!God gives people a clear choice to accept the offer of salvation or face annihilation! These verses mean that there will be very serious consequences, that's if people don't take the offer of salvation! V Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. 1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. 1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Surely Mr. T.V.o.C. is being very obtuse when he insists that the church council leaders did not read or know the "Every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess" Scriptural passage! Obviously their understanding was that every one will recognize that Jesus is Lord---> the reverently-submissive blessed to their everlasting bliss, the irreverent and rebellious damned to their everlasting torment, doom, and misery.
This Craig guy probably knows universalism is biblical but won't say so for many reasons. Universal oulook is so blatantly obvious in the scriptures that it's a no brainer for anyone who looks at it with a truly inquiring mind. It takes guts and conviction to break with tradition, though, which is why a lot if pastors and theologians won't make the break. There's also control.
"I'm a biblical theist." Proceeds to quote one improperly translated verse and the rest of the argument from church history, he hasn't bothered to research, and some philosophy. He doesn't even realize his own theological contentions make his salvific method impossible.
The bottom line is there is no hell in the true Hebrew or Greek scriptures from cover to cover, Jesus never said it, and the apostles never taught it, and even the apostle Paul was told everything he needed to know by Jesus through the abundance of Revelations 2nd Corinthians 12:7, and in acts 20 and 7 the apostle Paul said I have not shund to deliver unto you the whole council of God, and in the book of Romans she said I have fully preached unto you the gospel, did Paul ever mention it??? If Jesus had a told Paul to preach any kind of hell he would have been screaming it from every rooftop, and in every line he ever wrote! The Bible is very clear about the restoration of all things, there's not room for me to mention all the scriptures so here's just two, Colossians 1:20, and 2 Corinthians 5:18 and 19, that God was in Christ reconciling the world the cosmos to himself, and by the way that's what Peter said in Acts 3:21,.... Quit reading toxic Bibles!!! Hell is not even a translation, it's just a plain out substitution, for something to be translated into English or any other language it has to be in the original to start with, if you want to translate the word dog, then dog would have to be in the Hebrew and the Greek,.... Hell is not biblical!!!!
Actually that same Greek preposition ὑπό also appears in Matthew 8:9 "For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me." It just means to be under Christ's kingship, as in to be in submission to his authority, just like the soldiers are in Matt. 8:9
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Under authority means that a person is under a command, and so are the soldiers! Under authority has nothing to do with under feet! Again, Under Jesus feet is not a nice place, his "ENEMIES" shall be under his feet! Lam 3:34 To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth. 1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all "ENEMIES" under his feet. Phl 3:18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of the cross of Christ. Psa 37:20But the wicked shall perish, and the ENEMIES of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away. Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Shalom Michael, my brother in Christ. Peace be to you. Thank you for this uploaded video. There is a foundation on which we can annihilate all religions. *There is no free will.* Al though there are various impediments to exercise one's choices, free will does not imply freedom of action. God can and will influence our choices and directs all our paths. e.g. Proverbs 16:9 There is no further understanding needed to know that God will heal everyone from an attitude of fear that corrupts our consciousness. His will is to eventually save (justify, sanctify and glorify) all of creation. All in their own order. He will draw all mankind to Himself, healing everyone from a fearful attitude. No exceptions. It doesn't take an intelligent being to understand these things, it does however take a fearless consciousness that truly understands how to treat another as how we would like to be treated. Only God can give this increase, by His works alone, so no mankind can boast of his own "good" deeds. *The religions of free will.* A fearful attitude of a reprobate consciousness. Very inconvenient, very useless. Thank God He will heal all of creation from this condition that is been caused by our own imaginations. We thank you for your attention. To God is all the glory.
Of course free will doesn't mean we can do anything we want. That is why God established governments for justice, to punish wrongdoers. I don't serve a lawless God. Peace to you as well
I took your challenge went to mat 25:46 and the literal greek transalation comes out to everlasting/agelong Is the greek work αἰώνιον (aiōnion) So why are you lying to people?
Saying that there's a different ending to the same belief that we have with Protestants is heresy lol? Y'all have scripture and we have scripture and our scriptures contradict one another my friend so either God hates the uprenting sinners or God's love can cover the sinners regardless of what their little brainwashed minds tell them. There is absolutely nothing to repent for when we follow the same rules as everyone else we just think there's a different outcome because of how powerful loving and merciful God really is.
@@JudoMateo2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Universalism is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil! God gives people a clear choice to accept the offer of salvation or face annihilation! These verses mean that there will be very serious consequences, that's if people don't take the offer of salvation! V Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. 1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. 1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator. 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
A large part of me wants people to go to hell as bad as that sounds. There are people who willingly reject God, and there is real evil in the world, how could it be fare to let everyone go to heaven when they freely reject God and choose evil.
How is it fair that any of us are saved? Have you done something that deserves eternal life? If being given eternal life is not fair, and yet still happens for even some, then God is not just. But eternal life is fair because God freely offers it to all, who simply must receive. Nothing we do or don't do can earn us or deny us eternal life. Only by the grace of God can we receive it, and in his perfect justice, he has given it freely to all.
But such people do not deserve to be tortured for eternity because they would have to commit atrocity for eternity? See how dumb that sounds, no one is deserving of eternital punishment but an "eye for an eye" (not even satan) for the wicked should perish as much as the damage they inflict upon others and after serving time should be brought to restoration with God, unconditional love is not unconditional if the person wasn't eventually forgiven
I cannot understand how anyone can believe in a god for which there is no compelling evidence. No one has yet been able to demonstrate that any god actually exists.
Then watch Dr. Craig's debate with Hitchens linked in the description. Of course the evidence isn't compulsive, but there most certainly is evidence. God isn't threatened by anyone's disbelief. Most likely God wants us to reveal who we truly are so he knows how to discipline us, and if he was in face that wouldn't happen. God gives us our distance for a reason.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 I have watched Mr. Craig debate and lecture. He is disingenuous, and what he accepts as evidence is woefully inadequate. I am convinced that Craig does not actually believe in the existence of god but he needs to keep going to pay the bills. I suspect that Craig is no more than a grifter.
All depends on what people consider compelling. I find the evidence overwhelming, and you dont. One will be right and one will be wrong. I would say there is 0% chance God doesnt exist. Many of us reject God because we dont want God to exist.
@@torontocitizen6802 Youre not very smart if you believe that, that much is obvious. No wonder you dont find the evidence for God compelling, to saying something as dumb as that.
@@torontocitizen6802 Even if Dr. Craig was an atheist and a grifter, the arguments he presents are not unique to him and the conclusion of those arguments have no dependency on his integrity or lack of faith. Plus I have absolutely no reason to think that about Dr. Craig, why would he dedicate his life to promote something antithetical to himself? He's written scholarly books that have no commercial value whatsoever and took years to complete. I suspect Dawkins makes a lot more money peddling books defending atheism. Why not just do that if that is who he is?
Only those whose names are written in the book of life will enter the new Jerusalem. Outside will be the dogs, immoral etc. Jesus also frequently commented on some getting everything and the rest nothing. It is a top-down dictatorship with Jesus & the Father at the top. Those who are not born again in this lifetime will be far worse off for all eternity. Again, they will not be able to enter the gates of the heavenly city, they’ll be outside.
The word "Christ" is misunderstood. The word "Christ" is the power within each person. It is timeless and universal. Jesus was the pattern. Christ is the power. Thus Jesus was The Christ. You can be that too. Just be more like Jesus. Activate the Christ within you.
I really wonder how come all the Bible translators are so boldly translating "aionios kolasis" as everlasting punishment without even mentioning in the footnotes that it is also at least possible to be translated as "an age of correction". This is such a fundamentally crucial knowledge that for some reason is being kept hidden.
You would think that god would be a better communicator.
@@torontocitizen6802 How was God defective in communication exactly?
@@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG God seems incapable of communicating in such a way that everyone would know of its existence, know what it wants, and know how it expects us to act.
The problem is these bible publishers know that if they depart from established dogma their bible will be boycotted. So translating these passages correctly is contrary to their financial interests. But there are bibles that have this correctly translated, it was the Rotherham bible that first drew my attention to it.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Or maybe if god were competent at communicating, there wouldn’t be so much confusion.
I looked up the definition of "cherry picking" in the dictionary and found a picture of William Lane Craig appealing to literally any ecumenical authority.
There has to be correction BECAUSE we all ARE made alive by Christ. Wow! That was big. Thx for putting it that way. The bible now makes more sense to me. I can physically feel the healing power of this message. Thanks!
Well the gate is really really small and it’s only through Christ’s blood.
@@larryreynolds7822 phillipians 2:9-11. (:
After watching his attempt to refute universalism it does not look like he has done very much research on the topic, read a book supporting universalism or even thought about it for more than a minute or two.
Like literally all anti universalists.
His kind of evangelicalism is pernicious, however well-meaning. David Bentley Hart's treatment of the matter, not only from a logical-historical perspective but mostly from a moral one, has done much to allay a picture of God I inherited from evangelicalism (i.e., Calvinism), which, unwittingly I suppose, created a powerful, subconscious inward fear and resentment in me toward God. Reading DBH on the matter was something of a proper remedy that helped to reconnect with my youth-filled love of and appreciation for God and all that is. I consider this a plus at my age and profession (an almost senior uni prof of philosophy and religion). Anyway, just my 2 cents. Cheers!
I also used to reject Universalism. However I saw Biblically it never appeared to me to say that people would suffer in Hell eternally. Yes, Hell is an eternal place, but it seems to clearly say evil is burnt up.
But I have come to believe there is good reason to consider universal salvation as a real possibility.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Universalism is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil!God gives people a clear choice to accept the offer of salvation or face annihilation! These verses mean that there will be very serious consequences, that's if people don't take the offer of salvation!
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Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
I've been considering universalism for a while now. I also considered annihilationism.
This is the first video I've watched from this guy. I'll keep watching... see if he convinces me.
If hell is a eternal place then it csnt be burned up. Hell is not eternal and not even real in scripture. It's either gehenna, sheol/hades. No mentions of hell there
@@avivastudios2311i dont know about universalism but it is true that God IS the Savior of ALL people, especially those that believe 1tim4:10
@@O_tropos
Do not be deceived. Many false prophets and teachers will come into this world to deceive people about God and truth.
Hell has become a controversial subject in recent years, even among Christians. However, the controversy is entirely man-made. The rejection of the reality of hell stems from a human inability to reconcile the love of God with eternal punishment or from an outright rejection of God’s Word. Even some professing Christians have come to unbiblical conclusions. Some have tried to redefine hell, create an intermediate state not found in Scripture, or deny hell altogether. In doing so, they are ignoring Jesus’ warning in Revelation 22:19, “If anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.”
Hell is mentioned 167 times in the Bible, sometimes called Gehenna, Hades, the pit, the Abyss, or everlasting punishment (Proverbs 7:27; Luke 8:31; 10:15; 2 Thessalonians 1:9). Jesus spoke of heaven and hell as real places (Matthew 13:41-42; 23:33; Mark 9:43-47; Luke 12:5). The story Jesus told about the rich man and Lazarus was an actual event that demonstrated the reality of the two eternal destinations (Luke 16:19-31). Heaven is the dwelling place of God (2 Chronicles 30:27) where Jesus has gone to “prepare a place” for those who love Him (John 14:2). Hell was created for “the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). But because every human being is a sinner, every person past the age of accountability has already been condemned to hell (Romans 3:10; 5:12; John 3:18). We all deserve hell as the just punishment for our rebellion against God (Romans 6:23).
Jesus was clear that “no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again” (John 3:3). He was also clear that hell is an eternal punishment for those who do not obey Him (Matthew 25:46).
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 says that in the end God “will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”
This is hands-down one of the coolest channels on TH-cam. The degree of research and dedication this guy has put forth on this topic is quite impressive.
Side note - goats can create problems, but they can also be quite friendly. Some goats are almost like puppies in their behavior towards humans.
what is funny is the greek word used as goat means a baby goat. the immature will go into further corrections so that they can enter life. there is only good in God.
@@deeveevideos Thanks for that.
Often overlooked is saint Gregory of Nyssa. He was a clearly a universalist. Just read his treatise on 1 Corinthians 15:28. He was not condemned at the 5 council. He was venerated as “the father of fathers” at the 8th council. I have heard that the possible condemnation of Origen in the 5th council is in dispute by scholars. It just seems that Gregory of Nyssa is being overlooked.
Gregory and Basil's sister macrina was a big part of that with them.
I never realized the metaphor of sheep and goats was how you put it! A sheep naturally follows God while a goat needs to be disciplined! That's brilliant! :D
I too just learned about the difference & appreciated the simple meaning when relating it to animals. We as humans can be as a Donkey & an Ass I suspect, eh? If only to stay young & protected again; instead of growing up to be a selfish ass, haha!
If anything pushed me away from God it was the idea that he would infinitely punish people it did not come across as loving or compassionate or just it just came at me like screw this cruel vicious god, it was Universalism that made me Happy in my belief in God once again! if it wasn't for Universalism I wouldn't not have come back to God!
Believing in hell made my mental health worst. A pastor told me it's good to feel that way 🙄. It was robbing me of joy and living a peaceful life. When I looked up scripture about universal reconciliations I felt peaceful. I didn't have to try to be perfect like some Christians tell us. Alot stuff was added in the bible to make your life worse. We are only human and not perfect. I believe God understand and is forgiving.
Do you think that Jesus is God? Also, if there are added bible verses, then why would God allow damn near the entire world to follow this "false" teaching? Almost half of earth population is consisted of Christianity. So... why would God allow His pee to follow something that was corrupted by early churches?
People*** not pee sorry for all of the typos.
Same here!!!!
@@freespiritpearl89Hell is real though. It just not eternal for all. All Shall be Saved. Jesus went to Hades and Preached the Gospel.
I’ve found that translating “aionios” as “a time of” provides a good sense of the word.
“And these will go away into a time of correction but the righteous into a time of life”
Thanks for the video,
God bless brother.
But it means age. Not a time of.
@@fireandworms In Greek, the word "aionios" (αιώνιος) translates to "eternal," "everlasting," or "perpetual." It is an adjective derived from the noun "aión" (αἰών), which denotes an extended period of time or an age. "Aionios" describes something that is timeless, enduring, or without end.
@@daMillenialTrucker Aion does not mean an "extended" period of time. It just means a time period, AKA age. You can refer to many Greek documents to confirm this. It's a neutral word, it does not connote infinity or finiteness.
Look at Matthew 24:3. It says the "end" of the "aion." Aion does not connote eternity or infinity, as you can see from that verse. Aionios is simply the adjective form of aion, it doesn't suddenly lose the potential to mean a finite time period upon becoming an adjective. "ιος" is simply used to construct adjectives, it doesn't change the meaning of "aion."
@@daMillenialTrucker ..no it means pertaining to an age or like OLAM it means something that lasts as long as it lasts...'aionios' appears many times in the Septuagint where it doesnt mean 'eternal'...
you are back in the saddle again.... riding harder than ever.... I pray that I and many others keep you in prayer. I download all your vids... with the purpose of review and for sharing with other saints.... wow.... you are an inspiration... May the body of Christ grow in its maturity throughout the world... in the name of Jesus!!! May we all step up and play a role in service to the King... you are prompting many in the body of Christ to play a role in service to our lord and savior. You are defending the character of God Almighty... what a service... God Bless you!!!
Yes, "defending the character of God Almighty". I'd say the suffering humans face, and interpretation of endless afterlife torture punishment, are the foremost reasons people reject Christianity, and Atheism is the popular alternative. What "father" would be seen as a good father doing that.
Craig is not very bright in many ways. He misses the point, and his arguments are mostly weak across a myriad of topics.
“To his own Master he is standing or falling”. Paul wrote this to admonish those with understanding to kindly bare with those who have not the same knowledge. Fault finding and disputes over words and beliefs are not of God. The flesh always wars with the holy spirt. Denying our flesh by not allowing it to rule our thoughts is why Jesus sent us his spirit. If the spirit of Christ, our teacher and comforter, abides in you, be a peacemaker. Salvation is the work of God alone. Rest in His plan and goodness.
Brother Lawrence
In one of your videos, you mentioned a book { the first book that you read} , when you started out on this journey. I can't seem to fnd your comment again.? Can you please tell me the name of the book? Ty { I think it was something to do with the early church fathers. }
I should do a video on how I came to embrace apokatastasis as the correct doctrine. But the first book, that became the turning point for me, was;
"Universalism, the Prevailing doctrine of the Christian church for the first 500 years" by John Wesley Hanson
It's a kind walk through church history with a lot of quotes from early church fathers. It was those quotes that drew my attention to various biblical passages, I realized they understood them very differently than most do today. So I went back and read the whole New Testament again and things just kept jumping out to me, and as my journey progressed I started this channel to share what I learned.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Thank you very much. God bless you. ✝️
Study the root words, it doesn't say "eternal". It is "age-lasting. Even Jesus said this.
Can you share where he said this? Thanks!
@@therealfainI would like to know to
Matthew 25:46 is the one verse that debunks universalism outright.
@@christophergibson7155 Did you understand my original post? Study the root words -- it doesn't say "eternal" in the original language It was mistranslated by the Latin Vulgate.
There are two good channels that teach about this. Love Unrelenting and The Total Victory of Christ.
Another really good channel is Good God. Watch his playlist about Hell and Revelation.
A terrific analysis of the subject. Dr. Craig most likely does not want to address these items due to the stigma Christendom has attached to Universal Restoration. I am surprised he addressed it at all. Anyway Thanks for posting this!
I've considered that he is perhaps trapped in that position because of his status as a Christian apologist. He doesn't want to undermine that work with people who would see embracing Universal Restoration as discrediting him. However, I wish he would soften his stance a bit, say something like, "Every Christian should hope it's true because God hopes it's true. I know there are arguments in favor of Universal Restoration, but I'm not convinced" Something like that.
I've heard a Reformed pastor quote John Stott as he later in life professed annihilationism
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 First off, thank you for this excellent dissection of Dr. Craig's arguments against Apocatastasis. Regarding why Dr. Craig may be unwilling to relent upon the position of the restoration of all things, I've heard others propose the theory that he tried to debate someone named Raymond Bradley way back in 1994 concerning ultimate reconciliation versus eternal conscious torment, and he apparently didn't fare too well. I believe his debate is still on TH-cam titled "The Problem of Hell: Raymond Bradley vs. William Lane Craig (Debate)". I'm not sure if you're familiar with that debate, or if you did hear it before if you had any thoughts on it?
I like WLC enormously, but I myself witnessed WLC apparently shift from what seemed to be an annihalist view to today’s more traditional view. I think especially as a public person seen as a representative of the rationality of the Christian, there must be enormous pressure to conform to the bulk of the people who stand by your side.
Meant John Scott
Then what does the aion mean in time? If it only refers a place, my question is is the eternal life not eternal in time?
Originally the noun aion came from the idea of the life of man, or time of life. Our life is our aion. Or, something lasting for the life of a given situation or system. But adjectives are "of" things. For example, things that are "seasonal" are "of the season", and things that are aionios are "of the age". An age is also understood as a "world", such as "the world of the 20th century".
Therefore to obtain aionios life, is to obtain the life of a specific age, which is biblically the age of the Messiah who raises mankind into immortality. Meaning this life lives on forever, even beyond that age, which does come to an end in 1 Cor. 15 when Christ hands the reign of the kingdom back to the Father.
Hope that helps.
I hope this guy Craig doesn't influence Jordan Peterson on his teaching on this topic. Pray for Jordan.
Jordan peterson isn't a good person.
@@freespiritpearl89 I didn't say he is. It's because he has many listeners / big influence whether you like him or not. Btw, neither are you as we are fall short and need Jesus. Good night
@@freespiritpearl89 How so?
@@SaraSara-di3hsPeterson is the usual conservative but with added intellectual flair. At the end of the day it’s the same old “preserve our power” and ignore the poor, oppressed and suffering. Peterson makes the Bible one big psychological metaphor and rejects the core teachings of the gospels. It makes perfect sense that many in conservative Christendom find him attractive - he is just as repulsed by Jesus’ teachings as are they.
@@gfujigo ...what? What do you mean repulsed? Like, you can't expect a nonbeliever to bite into teachings of Christianity like an actual Christian but to say he's repulsed by them is a bit much.
I will go watch the Hitchens debate, but I have never really been interested in the Christian/Athetist debate. To me both sides are comical and sad. I have always leaned toward the division between Truth/Religion.
I'm convinced it is far far easier to convince an athesit that their is a God than to convince a religious person of the Truth, i.e. the True nature of God.
“For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made.” (Isaiah 57:16) they always show us where hell is eternal but when we show them scripture for universalism they say were cherry picking lol you are doing the same thing then lol.
Very thorough clear information and explanation. Thank You Sir
How it is possible? I thought God had a plan.(Eph 1 :9-12)
But He isn't mighty enough to succeed according to this preacher
Is it possible to go on preaching after such a statement?
To put the human will on a higher level than God's results in a theological avalanche.
I always enjoy these very convincing videos. May you be blessed more. Thanks for sharing the light you have.
William can go fly a kite! Hopefully will learn the good news sooner than later and I love that silly goose unconditionally
Are there churches, denominations that teach this? If so, where are they located?
Just be careful when you do try to find a chores cuz a lot of these churches that kind of go about the same universalism belief they're progressive christians, they think it's okay for getting him to get married it's not okay so just be careful. There's nothing different from us and other Christians outside of the fact that we think there is a different ending
With all due respect, W L Craig is a decent philosopher but a mediocre theologian. He defends the most absurd nonsense, such as penal substitution and infernalism.
I suspect Dr. Craig would agree his strength is philosophy. However, he's not a terrible theologian, much of his theological commentary is spot on, such as on the nature of Christ and so forth.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 I disagree. He thinks of God as a being among beings, even if he is the supreme being; his understanding of the trinity is social, which means that he thinks of the hypostases as centred of consciousness, which is tantamount to tri-theism; he thinks that God has to punish Christ to forgive us of our sins, which is morally revolting; and so on. D B Hart has absolutely trounced his theology. Craig is Orthodox in one way but unorthodox in another. He is no Karl Barth!
So why did He punish Christ if He could forgive without punishing Him?
@@Carlos-sr8km (1) Where does it say in scripture that God _punished_ Christ? (2) Where does it say in scripture that God could only forgive us by having his own Son cruelly murdered? The answer is 'nowhere'. Christ was killed because he was faithful to the mission given him by the Father, which was to love. But, as Herbert McCabe liked to say, to love in this world is to be killed. If God needed to kill someone to 'forgive us' then that is by definition not forgiveness. In the parable of the prodigal son does the father need to lash out at anyone before he receives his son back? No. When his son returns he rushes to embrace him.
Sheol or new testament Hades was never split into two parts, the Old testament says that everybody went to the same place good or bad, they dug that right out of the apocrypha and put it in the New testament text that sheol was split into two parts, and on top of that Luke 16 is only a parable about the Jews and the gentiles, and if that's not enough Hades has been cast into the lake of (pur) fire!
Early Church fathers: There is no way they will get this wrong.
Dr.Criag: What it means is....
Regarding Matt 25:31-46: Craig's basic and orthodox interpretation of this passage doesn't stem from thinking goats or left-handedness are symbols for evil/worthless things. It comes from reading the passage, where it says those on the left are going to eternal punishment.
Regarding Greek: Have you looked at the BDAG entry for either κολασις or αιωνιος? Because I did, and they aren't favorable to your points. It seems obvious that your word studies are misleading people. There's a reason that no translations follow your suggestions- and it's not because they are all conspiring to hide the true meaning of the Greek.
One more thing you are missing, the Latin word eternal is brought into English from the Latin Vulgate. In Latin "eternal" is spelled "aeternus" and just like aiṓnios the primary definition is "of an age" LINK TO LATIN DICTIONARY: www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0060%3Aentry%3Daeternus
In short the Latin word "eternal" doesn't even mean endless unless the context forces that understanding. I can't think of anything about punishment from God what would make me think it's endless.
Also you are confounding "orthodoxy" with "tradition", endless punishment was never a critical church doctrine.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Neither the meaning of the Latin word "auternus" nor the etymology of the English word "eternal" are relevant- translators are translating the Greek, so the actual concern is what the Greek says and means.
All the Greek resources I can find don't support your view- they support the traditional translation of "eternal". I'm looking at BDAG, Thayer's, Strong's, Louw-Nida, and the DBL. Most broadly, the 3 options the semantic range offers are 1. Pertaining to a long period of time, "long ago". 2. Pertaining to a period of time without beginning or end, "eternal". 3. Pertaining to a period of unending duration, "without end".
The meaning is plain: the focus of the word is on the unending-ness of what it is describing (whether looking backwards, forwards, or both), the non-time-restricted-ness of it. This is exactly the opposite of what you are trying to convince people it means.
Why should I take your definition of αιωνιος over all of these trusted scholarly Greek resources?
@@hallboy5 Out of the five Lexicons I'm looking at one kind of supports your view. To be fair aiónios can connote endlessness if the context forces that understanding. But I have no good reason to think the context of punishment connotes endlessness. That makes no sense, especially if we are reading about a just God in the Bible.
aiónios: Liddell Scott: "lasting for an age".
Strong's Concordance *agelong* eternal (of course we know eternal means of an age).
HELPS Word-studies "age-like",
NAS Exhaustive Concordance: age long, eternal.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon "without beginning or end"
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Here are the glosses for αιωνιος in the best lexicons I've got access to:
BDAG (which is unrivaled as the premier Greek lexicon): long ago; eternal; without end
LSJ (Liddell Scott): lasting for an age; perpetual, eternal
GELNT (Thayer): without beginning or end; without beginning; without end, never to cease, everlasting
Louw-Nida: eternal (which also mentions that "There is no real distinction in meaning between the terms ἀΐδιος and αἰώνιος")
DBL Greek: eternal, an unlimited duration; since all time
EDNT: eternal, everlasting
Lampe's Patristic Greek Lexicon: eternal
I'm curious- where did you get the idea that αιωνιος can only mean endlessness if the context forces it? From what I can tell, it actually seems like it's the opposite- αιωνιος can only connote a temporally limited idea if the context forces that understanding. Here are some relevant quotes from Greek scholarship on the meaning of this word:
"Without pronouncing any opinion on the special meaning which theologians have found for this word, we must note that outside the NT, in the vernacular as in the classical Greek, it never loses the sense of perpetuus. ...In general, the word depicts that of which the horizon is not in view" -Moulton, James Hope, and George Milligan. The Vocabulary of the Greek Testament, Hodder and Stoughton, 1930, p. 16.
"Throughout the NT αἰώνιος can be rendered by eternal. In the LXX it often represents Heb. ‘ôlām and thus infuses a statement which referred originally to a distant time (→ αἰών 2) with the dimension of the 'eternal.' ... The eternity of God consists in God’s faithfulness, which is without beginning and end and remains unchanged throughout the changing of the times (cf. Gen 21:33 LXX). In the same way, everything belonging to the nature and sphere of God endures and is not subject to the circumstantiality of this world, e.g., δόξα (1 Pet 5:10), πνεῦμα (Heb 9:14), κράτος (1 Tim 6:16, in a doxology), σωτηρία (Heb 5:9; Mark 16 [short ending]), the abiding, heavenly οἰκία which replaces the perishable earthly body (2 Cor 5:1; cf. also Luke 16:9: αἰωνίους σκηνάς), but also eternal fire and judgment (cf. Matt 18:8; 25:41, 46a; 2 Thess 1:9; Heb 6:2; Jude 7). In this negative accentuation the meaning unceasing, everlasting comes through even more strongly than is true in cases where there is a positive stress." -Balz, Horst Robert, and Gerhard Schneider. Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament, vol. 1, Eerdmans, 1990-, pp. 46-47.
"Some passages where ʾOlam is rendered αἰώνιος, and used with reference to the wicked, may here be cited:-Ps. 78:66, ‘He hath given them perpetual reproach;’ Jer. 18:16, ‘He hath made their land desolate and a perpetual hissing;’ 23:40, ‘Perpetual dishonour;’ 51:39, 57, ‘I will make them drunken, that they may rejoice, and sleep a perpetual sleep;’ Ezek. 35:5, 9, ‘Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, … I will make thee a perpetual desolation;’ compare Zeph. 2:9. In Dan. 12:2, the word is applied not only to everlasting life, but also to everlasting contempt, which shall be the lot of some after the resurrection. In the passages quoted, which are a considerable proportion and a fair specimen of the whole, the LXX rendering is usually αἰώνιος or εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα; these Greek phrases, therefore, when they reappear in the N.T., must be interpreted in accordance with the usage of the word ʾOlam. They give a conception which, though negative, is sufficiently clear. Eternity is endlessness; and this idea is only qualified by the nature of the object to which it is applied, or by the direct word of God." -Girdlestone, Robert Baker. Synonyms of the Old Testament: Their Bearing on Christian Doctrine. Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1998, pp. 316-17.
I find that last quote particularly compelling- in the LXX, the Hebrew word "olam" is essentially always translated as "αιων_", and thus the NT use of αιωνιος must be interpreted in accordance with the LXX usage. Olam, in the OT, carries the sense of forever, perpetuity, or eternity approximately 89% of the time.
I recognize that I've written a mini-paper in this comment... sorry for that xD But I'm attempting to provide a quick yet faithful summary of the Greek scholarship on this issue, which in my opinion seems to be clearly at odds with your view. You seem like a swell guy and I appreciate the cordial demeanor you've displayed in the video and comments! God bless.
@@hallboy5 Well primary definition of the Latin word eternal (aeternus) is "of an age". So if "eternal" is the definition of aionios it thus means "of an age". So Jerome clearly didn't understand aionios to denote endless, if he did he would have said "infinitum" not "aeternum".
But usage trumps lexicography.
Plato invented the adjective aionios and never uses it to mean endless. He quotes four instances of aion, and three of aionios, in a single passage, in contrast with aidios (eternal.) The gods he calls eternal, (aidios) but the soul and the corporeal nature, he says, are aionios, belonging to time, and "all these," he says, "are part of time" .
Ancient lexicographers didn't define aionios as endless.
Grove: "Aionios, eternal, immortal, perpetual, former, past, ancient"
Donnegan: "Aionios, of long duration, lasting, eternal, permanent."
Ewing: "Aionios, finite or infinite"
Schrevelius: "Aionios, of long duration, lasting, sometimes everlasting, sometimes lasting through life."
Lutz: "Aionios, durable, eternal."
Macknight: (Scotch Presbyterian.) " These words being ambiguous are always to be understood according to the nature and circumstances to which they are applied"
And I think Macknight is correct. Aionios and Aion are contextually dependent words. So if you think the context of punishment forces the idea of endless then fine, that's just your opinion. I have no reason to think aionios in the context of punishment means endless. In my view that is clearly contrary to reason.
And all those examples were quoted by Dr. John Wesley Hanson. But if you need more I have much more.
I've asked the eternal "Hell" proponents if faith in Jesus saves us from God. 😂
Discipline and sanctification. What’s the difference. Is one an umbrella to the other?
When Aaron’s Priesthood authority was challenged by Korah in Numbers 16,
God resolved it by letting Moses to take the families Rod with their names and deposit them in the tent of Meeting before the testimony. God said who’s Rod sprout 🌱 is the chosen.
By the wisdom given to me I humbly deposite before the Mercy Seat the Rod of the Restoration of All Things and the Rod of the Eternal Punishment. It shall Come that The Rod that sprout 🌱 is What Is lawful and Shall stand.
Lord Thy Will Be Done.
Universalism is intuitively correct. Man has been on earth for thousands and thousands of years throughout the word. Thus the message is unconditional love which every person through time and anywhere CAN understand if an attempt is made to move towards the light (love).
I love your channel. Great explanation with the value of goats. Also AION as season. I believe in universalism. I also believe in "one door, one way". The same way I was born again, so will every other sinner, including Hitler. They will look at themselves objectively for the first time, they will see the Christ in them, they will recognize him as their only hope of glory and healing, and they will fall down at his feet seeking forgiveness. Punishment fixes nothing in humans. God and his ways are not different than Jesus and his ways. Only love heals. Punishment and pain only cause more damage.
I recently (as of last year) have turned to Christ. I am familiar with Platonism, Adviata Vedanta, and have thumbed through Augustine Of Hippo’s The City Of God as well as John Scott’s Devisions Of Nature.
I quite appreciated (from what I have read in The City Of God) Augustine’s reply to the Platonist Porphyry’s “Against The Christians.” How for example he defends the resurrection by citing that Porphyry’s understanding was different to that of Plato himself, that the Athenian had an understanding of the harmony of spirit and matter that contradicted Porphyry’s assertion. Thus Christianity is the “actualisation of Platonism”. Augustine writes - “None are closer to us (Christians) than the Platonists.”
Yet despite my liking of what Augustine has said with regards to somethings so far, I personally don’t like the hellfire and brimstone doctrine of eternal damnation. I am drawn to Christian Universalism and wonder if it is also reflected in the works of John Scott. That being that all ultimately returns to God, if I haven’t misread John Scott that is.
When someone says have you been saved? I think the best answer is yes, 2000 years ago!!!!
I'm leaning towards universalism. I think everything you said made sense. I especially liked how you encouraged people to do their own research.
I disagree about Mary being a virgin forever. What, you think she never had sex with her husband, dude?
I think there's also a verse that said that Jesus had brothers.
Like most Protestants Dr. Craig doesn't believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary, that's why I brought that up. He is leaning on the opinion of a council he openly disagrees with.
Universalism is a very humane religious doctrine but am I REALLY supposed to rejoice that I am sharing paradise with my murderer???
Don't all Christians believe murderers can be saved if they repent and give their lives to Christ? Paul took part in the martyrdom of Stephen. So the idea that there will be murderers in heaven isn't unique to Universal Restoration. Paul taught that you reap what you sow, so I don't think God is letting anyone off the hook. Paul himself spent half his life in prison and was executed in Rome. Doesn't sound like he got away with it to me.
It’s Jesus who says (while being murdered) “Father forgive them. They know not what they do.”
Your heart is wicked and prideful if you don’t equate yourself with the whole of mankind and the shared sin nature we all inherited. Paul called himself the chief of sinners. And that murderer has been redeemed just as you needed to
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838There’s no amount on retributive justice that can be dished out in any case which is why Jesus is always and forever going to be enough. We don’t always reap what we sow. We reap life with God forever and we didn’t sow that.
I remember a funny comic that reflect on the problem of Christianity, or more about doctrine Infernalism
Jesus pointed to A little kid in heaven, as he and his parent get murdered by a drunk driver
Jesus said:”Do you know this man ? He murdered your family but is asking me for repentance, he is going to Heaven.”
Kid:”But what about my parents?”
Jesus:”Did your parents heard about my Gospel and follow my leadership?”
I promise you that you won’t be rejoice in this kind of Heaven if you knowing your murderer have repented and goes to heaven while the murdered victim goes to Hell to suffer for eternity
I remember hearing him talk about point 4… that all the 100% of all the people in “hell” will only grow in their hatred for God…
That doesn’t jive with the law of statistics… also what about the people who’ve never heard about Jesus?
So many teachers and scholars i look up to, all teach universalism. Including David Bentley Hart.
They all give a very convincing argument. That all shall be saved is a very good read also Hope beyound Hell ,and of course, unspoken sermons by George MacDonald.
And my favourite professor Keith Ward from oxford University
You know under universalism and atheism they both have the same conclusion. No matter what you do it all ends up the same at the end.
If oblivion is the future of mankind it would be meaningless to know it, having a sense of hope and purpose creates a much more healthy mental state during this short spark of existence. And believing that dead chemicals assembled themselves into bacteria and bacteria slowly turned into people resulting in immaterial human consciousness seems a stretch. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
You do beautiful and important work here brother, thank you
So much of the scriptures are hard to interpret. Jesus please show us your absolute truth!
Luke 18:30
[30]Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
This has "world to come" - which according to you is ainios and this verse also has everlasting life which also mean ainios life, so this means he meant different meanings using the same word i.e., place & time
How will you explain this?
Actually the word translated as "world" in some bibles in Luke 18:30 is actually the Greek word aion too. So in that age we obtain an aionios life. Often adjectives are used to describe the quality of something. For example from our noun "duration" we derive the adjective "durable". HELPS word studies actually points that out about aionios, it's often used to describe the quality of something.
Actually, He used two parts of speech for the same root word (e.g., noun, adjective). The noun aion was used for "age to come" and the adjective aionion was used for life "of that age" that is to come. So, He was saying "in the age to come, you will have life pertaining to that age." We only know that this "age-pertaining" life is indeed forever, not because of this verse, but because of Paul's teaching in 1 Cor. 15 and Jesus's teaching in Luke 20, regarding what the resurrection of that age means, in that we will no longer be able to die.
I pity Mr. Craig and his big brain and ego. He makes sense to man but does not understand God or believe God. Thank God that God chooses the weak and ignoble seeing as I and my brethren are knuckleheads. Where sin increases, grace abounds. God's overwhelming grace and love are the source of God's glory, and beyond the scope of dear William. Christ was successful on His mission for His Father, to bring creation to salvation and into an understanding of Him for His desire. God gets what He wants. Love grace and peace
Craig doesn't have a big ego, he's actually a humble man. He's publicly debated atheists for many years who always attack Christian belief with the apparently incoherency of an all loving and powerful God being forced to punish people for al eternity. Craig has developed a debating tactic that shows such a view isn't incoherent as a response.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 "Apparent" incoherency? Suggesting our loving and powerful God, Who wills to redeem all mankind, Who is somehow forced to punish those for whom Christ died, forever, is indeed incoherent.
@@dalekelley Well, I agree with you, but Craig's arguments are philosophical, that it is possible God can be all loving and allow human free will at the same time, which would allow for the idea of endless rebellion against God.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 So, it's "philosophically" possible that God can fail to accomplish all His intentions? Is that what he's saying?
@@dalekelley Sure if people choose to reject God and salvaion and continue to evil, of course. Didnt the angels rebel. Was it Gods intention for them to rebel, or did they make their choice.
I don't 'believe' in universalism, but I do know Christ saves ALL. This Truth MUST be revealed to man from above to each personally. The real question is not "Who do 'they' say that I am?" But rather, "Who do 'you' say that I am?"
This is the rock on which Christ's work is made manifest. There are those who reject this cornerstone in order to retain their right to their own free will rather than follow Christ into the garden of Gethsemane and proclaim, "Not my will but Your Will.
Those that refuse to believe in Christ's absolute, infinite unfailing work are the goats. God will bring them to revelation, eventually.
I agree with your views. Gods has shown you things. God will bring ALL to know Him in His time. As in the parable, the good shepherd searches UNTIL all lost are found and returned. Thanks for sharing.
Yes. I believe the rebellion and the eruption of evil was unavoidable and inevitable and it has a crucial role to play, this is why God does not destroy it yet and allow it to flourish. Later, God will release His flaming wrath upon all the rebels to correct them and humble them down so that they too would surrender and bow down before God and confess, sincerely with their heart mind soul and strength that He is the only God there is and the only One worthy of worship.
@@nikokapanen82 Agreed. He hasn't destroyed evil or rebellion because we would all be destroyed. It's not about overcoming evil to bask in goodness, but to overcome self to bask in Glory. We cannot choose to surrender 'that one thing we lack' that we value above all other possessions, our right to ourselves. We trust our life in our own hands and prove it by refusing to forfeit that right back to the One whom gave it to begin with.
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Loving/hating God has nothing to do with some man-made unbiblical non-existent free will choice doctrine. It has everything to do with your inner nature.
To hate God, you need to have an elevated attitude towards your own worth, the more you love yourself, the more you hate God (Satan is an example).
On the other hand, humility loves God because humility sees the truth as it is, sees how good and righteous God is and how pleasant and good it is to love and serve Him. Remember King Nebuchadnezzar? He was a proud man, but God decided to punish him to humble him and remember the result? Here is what he said after the humiliation: "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything He does is just, and all His ways are just and those who walk in pride, He can humble" "Daniel 4:37 Notice that God does not force him to say so, no, he deliberately and joyfully praises and exalts God, why? Because God humbled him, he now sees the truth, he sees who God is and how good and righteous it is to love Him, and not yourself.
So, you see, this idea that love of God is a completely random spontaneity that happens randomly in some people and not in others is nonsense. All truly humble people naturally love God and cannot help but love Him, while all truly proud people hate Him and cannot love Him.
Note that Nebuchadnezzar also said very profound words: "Those who walk in pride, He can humble." Yes, God can humble the proud, meaning He can fix them to love Himself, and that's what God has done to some of us. He has already humbled us, and that is the only reason we love Him. We believers did not choose God, no, God chose us, humbled us, and gave us a new heart and mind that loves Him and wants to serve Him.
As "Graciousness" goes you are throwing pearls to swine.
WLC is THE ENEMY -- he is "hawshawtawn" to the True Gospel.
We're not asked or commanded to be goody2shoes to these "Experts".
I thought the gates of hell are locked from the inside was cs Lewis
I think the rich man and Lazarus is a parable and the great gulf is probably a metaphor
Yes, CS Lewis is where I heard that from, but Craig cites the other guy in that talk.
Are you saying Hitler & anne frank is in heaven?
No one goes straight to heaven or the new Jerusalem. The dead are DEAD until they are raised by Christ Jesus, but yes, even Hitler and Anne Frank, lol. Just out of curiosity, what did Anne Frank do that was so terrible?
@@jasonegeland14462Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Universalism is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil!God gives people a clear choice to accept the offer of salvation or face annihilation! These verses mean that there will be very serious consequences, that's if people don't take the offer of salvation!
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Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
@@jasonegeland1446being a woman 😂
@@whelperw That's only punishable by being sent to hell in Islam (Muhammed said he was shown hell and most people there were women, and that women are spiritually deficient because our minds and bodies make us that way).
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it would be cool if dr. Craig wood actually read and understand the New testament greek rather than pretending to know what he’s talking about by simply assuming and piggy backing off conventional augustinian theology
Dr. Craig is primarily a scholar of philosophy, and he's made significant contributions to the wider Christian community with his apologetics. But he's a traditional academic, so that's no surprise. I just wish he would soften his stance on this topic a bit, I think he's being unnecessarily dogmatic.
Purgatory never seems to be referenced st all in these discussions.
If universalism is wrong, the you might wanna change your channel name to "The partial victory of Christ" 😂
😂Yeah, that's not gonna happen
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2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Universalism is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil!God gives people a clear choice to accept the offer of salvation or face annihilation! These verses mean that there will be very serious consequences, that's if people don't take the offer of salvation!
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Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Surely Mr. T.V.o.C. is being very obtuse when he insists that the church council leaders did not read or know the "Every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess" Scriptural passage! Obviously their understanding was that every one will recognize that Jesus is Lord---> the reverently-submissive blessed to their everlasting bliss, the irreverent and rebellious damned to their everlasting torment, doom, and misery.
This Craig guy probably knows universalism is biblical but won't say so for many reasons. Universal oulook is so blatantly obvious in the scriptures that it's a no brainer for anyone who looks at it with a truly inquiring mind. It takes guts and conviction to break with tradition, though, which is why a lot if pastors and theologians won't make the break. There's also control.
"I'm a biblical theist."
Proceeds to quote one improperly translated verse and the rest of the argument from church history, he hasn't bothered to research, and some philosophy.
He doesn't even realize his own theological contentions make his salvific method impossible.
EXACTLY..Craig misunderstands Christian Universalism entirely
The bottom line is there is no hell in the true Hebrew or Greek scriptures from cover to cover, Jesus never said it, and the apostles never taught it, and even the apostle Paul was told everything he needed to know by Jesus through the abundance of Revelations 2nd Corinthians 12:7, and in acts 20 and 7 the apostle Paul said I have not shund to deliver unto you the whole council of God, and in the book of Romans she said I have fully preached unto you the gospel, did Paul ever mention it??? If Jesus had a told Paul to preach any kind of hell he would have been screaming it from every rooftop, and in every line he ever wrote! The Bible is very clear about the restoration of all things, there's not room for me to mention all the scriptures so here's just two, Colossians 1:20, and 2 Corinthians 5:18 and 19, that God was in Christ reconciling the world the cosmos to himself, and by the way that's what Peter said in Acts 3:21,.... Quit reading toxic Bibles!!! Hell is not even a translation, it's just a plain out substitution, for something to be translated into English or any other language it has to be in the original to start with, if you want to translate the word dog, then dog would have to be in the Hebrew and the Greek,.... Hell is not biblical!!!!
I think they want people to be tortured for eternity. I just want people to learn their lesson and change their hearts. That's why I like karma.
aionos means Heaven is temporal.
Under Jesus feet is not a nice place!
Actually that same Greek preposition ὑπό also appears in Matthew 8:9 "For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me." It just means to be under Christ's kingship, as in to be in submission to his authority, just like the soldiers are in Matt. 8:9
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 Under authority means that a person is under a command, and so are the soldiers! Under authority has nothing to do with under feet! Again, Under Jesus feet is not a nice place, his "ENEMIES" shall be under his feet! Lam 3:34 To crush under his feet all the prisoners of the earth.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all "ENEMIES" under his feet.
Phl 3:18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of the cross of Christ.
Psa 37:20But the wicked shall perish, and the ENEMIES of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Rom 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Shalom Michael, my brother in Christ.
Peace be to you.
Thank you for this uploaded video.
There is a foundation on which we can annihilate all religions.
*There is no free will.*
Al though there are various impediments to exercise one's choices, free will does not imply freedom of action.
God can and will influence our choices and directs all our paths.
e.g. Proverbs 16:9
There is no further understanding needed to know that God will heal everyone from an attitude of fear that corrupts our consciousness.
His will is to eventually save (justify, sanctify and glorify) all of creation.
All in their own order.
He will draw all mankind to Himself, healing everyone from a fearful attitude.
No exceptions.
It doesn't take an intelligent being to understand these things, it does however take a fearless consciousness that truly understands how to treat another as how we would like to be treated.
Only God can give this increase, by His works alone, so no mankind can boast of his own "good" deeds.
*The religions of free will.*
A fearful attitude of a reprobate consciousness.
Very inconvenient, very useless.
Thank God He will heal all of creation from this condition that is been caused by our own imaginations.
We thank you for your attention.
To God is all the glory.
Of course free will doesn't mean we can do anything we want. That is why God established governments for justice, to punish wrongdoers. I don't serve a lawless God. Peace to you as well
I took your challenge went to mat 25:46 and the literal greek transalation comes out to everlasting/agelong
Is the greek work
αἰώνιον
(aiōnion)
So why are you lying to people?
All your comment shows is that the interprration for matt 25 is far broader than what modern fundemtalism would say.
Fantastic
Stop teaching heresy and repent.
Saying that there's a different ending to the same belief that we have with Protestants is heresy lol? Y'all have scripture and we have scripture and our scriptures contradict one another my friend so either God hates the uprenting sinners or God's love can cover the sinners regardless of what their little brainwashed minds tell them. There is absolutely nothing to repent for when we follow the same rules as everyone else we just think there's a different outcome because of how powerful loving and merciful God really is.
@@daMillenialTrucker I’m no protestant, nor Catholic, the scriptures are quite clear, as are the writings of the Church Fathers.
@@JudoMateo2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Universalism is the biggest lie manufactured by the Devil! God gives people a clear choice to accept the offer of salvation or face annihilation! These verses mean that there will be very serious consequences, that's if people don't take the offer of salvation!
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Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Goats are still 'clean' animals.
This is the same dude that says killing children is cool if God tells you too
A large part of me wants people to go to hell as bad as that sounds. There are people who willingly reject God, and there is real evil in the world, how could it be fare to let everyone go to heaven when they freely reject God and choose evil.
How is it fair that any of us are saved? Have you done something that deserves eternal life? If being given eternal life is not fair, and yet still happens for even some, then God is not just. But eternal life is fair because God freely offers it to all, who simply must receive. Nothing we do or don't do can earn us or deny us eternal life. Only by the grace of God can we receive it, and in his perfect justice, he has given it freely to all.
hell can still exist without being eternal. Hitler would probably become a nice guy after 10,000 years...
Then you have a evil heart. Good hearted people forgive their enemies. I get angry at people too.
But such people do not deserve to be tortured for eternity because they would have to commit atrocity for eternity? See how dumb that sounds, no one is deserving of eternital punishment but an "eye for an eye" (not even satan) for the wicked should perish as much as the damage they inflict upon others and after serving time should be brought to restoration with God, unconditional love is not unconditional if the person wasn't eventually forgiven
I agree , no where does the bible preach eternal hell for people.
Hahaha what is perishing in john 3:16?
What about the Lake of Fire described in Revelation.
@@daddada2984 Well you are perishing already
@@nealpixley4789 What about the lake of fire ?
@@ronm6349 see the context of perishing.
Dr Craig should learn Greek of the time and how Greeks and Greek Fathers of the Early Church understood their language. He shows he is ignorant.
To be fair Dr. Craig isn't a Greek scholar.
I know of no repsected Theologians who respect him or his work.
Who is him?
I'd say Dr Craig is in for some "corrective treatment" in the age to come.
Fortunately Dr. Craig is a very reasonable man.
I cannot understand how anyone can believe in a god for which there is no compelling evidence. No one has yet been able to demonstrate that any god actually exists.
Then watch Dr. Craig's debate with Hitchens linked in the description. Of course the evidence isn't compulsive, but there most certainly is evidence. God isn't threatened by anyone's disbelief. Most likely God wants us to reveal who we truly are so he knows how to discipline us, and if he was in face that wouldn't happen. God gives us our distance for a reason.
@@thetotalvictoryofchrist9838 I have watched Mr. Craig debate and lecture. He is disingenuous, and what he accepts as evidence is woefully inadequate. I am convinced that Craig does not actually believe in the existence of god but he needs to keep going to pay the bills. I suspect that Craig is no more than a grifter.
All depends on what people consider compelling. I find the evidence overwhelming, and you dont. One will be right and one will be wrong. I would say there is 0% chance God doesnt exist. Many of us reject God because we dont want God to exist.
@@torontocitizen6802 Youre not very smart if you believe that, that much is obvious. No wonder you dont find the evidence for God compelling, to saying something as dumb as that.
@@torontocitizen6802 Even if Dr. Craig was an atheist and a grifter, the arguments he presents are not unique to him and the conclusion of those arguments have no dependency on his integrity or lack of faith.
Plus I have absolutely no reason to think that about Dr. Craig, why would he dedicate his life to promote something antithetical to himself? He's written scholarly books that have no commercial value whatsoever and took years to complete. I suspect Dawkins makes a lot more money peddling books defending atheism. Why not just do that if that is who he is?
Context is important. So, stick with it! Don't blame Craig for not following it when you don't seem to.
Only those whose names are written in the book of life will enter the new Jerusalem. Outside will be the dogs, immoral etc. Jesus also frequently commented on some getting everything and the rest nothing. It is a top-down dictatorship with Jesus & the Father at the top. Those who are not born again in this lifetime will be far worse off for all eternity. Again, they will not be able to enter the gates of the heavenly city, they’ll be outside.
The word "Christ" is misunderstood. The word "Christ" is the power within each person. It is timeless and universal. Jesus was the pattern. Christ is the power. Thus Jesus was The Christ. You can be that too. Just be more like Jesus. Activate the Christ within you.