I'd definitely argue that Voiceless is tier 1. It has several good showings on DC and is frequently part of the top 10 in rating duels for several months now. It has consistently shown that it can produce results, so not sure why it's still in tier 2.
Lets keep it at tier 2 and off the banlist. I think VV isn't thought of as Tier 1 since it's board isn't really oppressive lol. As you said though, the results speak for themselves
@@josesalgado2796 yes it just seems underwhelming but in reality an inherent special summon negate is very disruptive against link decks (in addition to omni negate and target protection and attack protection and a pop)
@@patrickhsiao2138 Yes and no. Yes, that it's weaker going second compared to going first but the deck is not completely hopeless going second. Like most meta decks, they can run 9-12 hand traps to help going second and vv itself is hard to hand trap since they have multiple methods to go into skull guardian.
I was one of those people who knew the potential of Ritual Beast and I actually said it in your tier list where you said that RB wasn’t that good against decks other than Tenpai. I’ve been using it since it came out and the thing is that it has good resistance against hand traps, since the effects of the main deck monsters are not once per turn and your main extender, Ulti-Cannahawk, can jump off the field to bypass Veiler, Imperm, etc. Also, it doesn’t matter if they turn your monsters face down with Karma Cannon or Book of Eclipse, you can still do your fusions and continue your combos. Added to that, the deck doesn’t care if you banish its monsters from the graveyard with D.D. Crow or Bystials or even if you banish them from the deck with Runick effects, on the contrary, you can even help it extend more if you use those cards against it. All of that makes that, even if the deck doesn’t leave twenty thousand negates, its resistance to interruptions makes it stay standing.
I think the issue Ritual Beast had is not that’s hard but so many people just learned to use it as a Colossus/Protoss Turbo deck that they never learned to play it as its own thing.
Yeah, ever since Tenpai came out, people have been playing a slightly different version of Salads with less handtraps and more counter-traps like Judgment and Strike and apparently it works. Still gets cooked going second but that's just Salads (and still best deck 🔥)
I have some constructive criticism for this video 1. The list needs more than 3 tiers - Lots of decks are in tiers they have no business being ranked with 2. Explaining the strong and weak points of the decks will help you to rank them appropriately - think more pros vs cons rather than tournament or ladder. The deck with more and higher quality pros is simply the best deck 3. With that said, Tenpai is still going to be the best deck. It lost some consistency but that doesn't actually change the power of the deck. In turn a con for Yubel is being soft to board breakers meaning she wont be the top deck. This repeats for a lot of your rankings 4. Lots of "flow disrupting" pauses in the video while you are speaking, makes the viewing experience feel really awkward like you're not prepared to make this video or something like that. Hopefully you see this as helpful and thank you for the video!
You should definitely revisit Salamangreat! I'm a new player but I've been loving salamangreat. It plays through some disruption and can set a really oppressive board with the help of some off-archetype extra deck support like Accesscode talker and Promethean Princess.
I agree with the Tier 3 placement, but I don’t think the Lab problem is necessarily the power level going up. When the deck gets a chance to play, it still has really strong plays and accrues insane advantage. The real issue is that if a large portion of your games have an opponent hitting you with back row wipes, it forces out most your interactions and messes up your control strategy. Going second into decks that are made to shut out Tenpai is also just very difficult, but that’s true for most decks. If the meta were to shift slightly, I think Lab would go back up. Won’t be Tier 1 but it basically never has been.
Few thoughts: I think your Tier 1 is good except I would add VV to it. They're just Centurion but better. Super consistent, great into Maxx C, super sticky boards. I hate it lol. For me, Chimera is too high. Deck is so inconsistent sometimes, and other times gets shut down by 1 handtrap. Plus there's almost no room for handtraps yourself. Heavy trap Lab is better than Tier 3 IMO. You can completely ignore some mechanics that kill other decks, like Maxx C or Shifter. I run 3 Simultaneous Equation Cannon and 2 Terrors of the Overroot. Such amazing potential backrow removal, which was always a weakness previously. SEC is super simple to do once you understand it. It's just 2 subtraction problems. Cards on the field & in hand minus an opponent's card level = Whatever 2 XYZ ranks. Then opponent's card level minus whatever XYZ rank you sent = Fusion level you send. I played Mathmech last season. 68.9% winrate. I ended up going on a 23-4 run to hit DL Max in the Cup, too. Felt super strong but you know, same general weakness to Maxx C, Nib, backrow and stun. Got me searching for something else to play this season. I'm thinking Snake-Eye Orcust or trying Marincess. 16 starters and 18 handtraps sounds cool, plus Bagooska if you get roach'd.
Great List as usual very logically and well thought out as usual, I do have one minor disagreement however. I frankly think Mikanko is more rogue than tier 3. The deck as it’s pure variant is decent but loses hard to the board breakers prominent in Tenpai, while the warrior variant is inconsistent and can arguably just be called infernoble since most lists run a SE/Mikanko engine in your infernoble deck rather than infernoble in Mikanko.
@@HassanMohamed-zw8nn I have and it’s got gas for anything tenpai plays for second with rank 8s from Horus for xyz along with the standard centurion combos not to mention playing a dragoon and magia package like muddy mud dragon. That variant can do anything.
I play ritual beast In season35 i hit master 2 extremely easily Last season was rough couldn’t get to master at all One less shifter hit the deck The problem of the deck is max c and it just can’t go 2
Pra quem tem Chimera ou Mathmech, não se preocupe, você pega Master 5 tranquilamente, se a sua meta for apenas chegar lá. Depois disso só vai passar raiva e enfrentar qualquer deck doente de stun 😂
@@Maliketh_TBB must be nice playing against bots but rit beast plays the best through imperm and veiler of all the hts, all the two card combos can and elder + canna can play through 2
Honestly agree with all takes I do agree while tenpai is annoying a lot of decks are able to perform right now and that is a good thing. Only placement I disagree with is tenpai even with chundra and field spell to 1 I still think deck will be tier 1 but we will have to see
Doesn’t matter anymore they ain’t banning Maxx c this game is done now especially after the leaks get ready for mulcharmy F - negate - mulcharmy P - negate - Maxx C (resolves)
People need to stop saying this stupid shit. No one's playing purulia, and very few decks have the room to play fuwalos when Maxx c is legal. Anyone that does will be staring at their hand turn 1 and passing or having no usable handtraps after the only starter they drew was negated and now all their mulcharmies are dead in hand
@@HrybreadPurulia will be unplayed but I have a hard time believing any meta deck will not play 3 Fuwaloss and 3 C. I’m not doomering but I think it’s the reality of the situation.
I think thats what everyone is going to start playing now unfortunately. Was never a lab or stun player ever but will probably start playing lab now. @prohobbyist5872
I'd definitely argue that Voiceless is tier 1. It has several good showings on DC and is frequently part of the top 10 in rating duels for several months now. It has consistently shown that it can produce results, so not sure why it's still in tier 2.
Lets keep it at tier 2 and off the banlist. I think VV isn't thought of as Tier 1 since it's board isn't really oppressive lol. As you said though, the results speak for themselves
@@josesalgado2796
yes it just seems underwhelming but in reality an inherent special summon negate is very disruptive against link decks (in addition to omni negate and target protection and attack protection and a pop)
Doesn’t the deck have issues going second?
@@patrickhsiao2138 Yes and no. Yes, that it's weaker going second compared to going first but the deck is not completely hopeless going second. Like most meta decks, they can run 9-12 hand traps to help going second and vv itself is hard to hand trap since they have multiple methods to go into skull guardian.
I play against Kashtira all the time
In platinum lol
I was one of those people who knew the potential of Ritual Beast and I actually said it in your tier list where you said that RB wasn’t that good against decks other than Tenpai. I’ve been using it since it came out and the thing is that it has good resistance against hand traps, since the effects of the main deck monsters are not once per turn and your main extender, Ulti-Cannahawk, can jump off the field to bypass Veiler, Imperm, etc. Also, it doesn’t matter if they turn your monsters face down with Karma Cannon or Book of Eclipse, you can still do your fusions and continue your combos. Added to that, the deck doesn’t care if you banish its monsters from the graveyard with D.D. Crow or Bystials or even if you banish them from the deck with Runick effects, on the contrary, you can even help it extend more if you use those cards against it. All of that makes that, even if the deck doesn’t leave twenty thousand negates, its resistance to interruptions makes it stay standing.
I think the issue Ritual Beast had is not that’s hard but so many people just learned to use it as a Colossus/Protoss Turbo deck that they never learned to play it as its own thing.
There was that tribrigade sprite deck that got into the top 100 of the DC, I was keen on seeing your thoughts on that!
Yeah, ever since Tenpai came out, people have been playing a slightly different version of Salads with less handtraps and more counter-traps like Judgment and Strike and apparently it works.
Still gets cooked going second but that's just Salads (and still best deck 🔥)
I have some constructive criticism for this video
1. The list needs more than 3 tiers - Lots of decks are in tiers they have no business being ranked with
2. Explaining the strong and weak points of the decks will help you to rank them appropriately - think more pros vs cons rather than tournament or ladder. The deck with more and higher quality pros is simply the best deck
3. With that said, Tenpai is still going to be the best deck. It lost some consistency but that doesn't actually change the power of the deck. In turn a con for Yubel is being soft to board breakers meaning she wont be the top deck. This repeats for a lot of your rankings
4. Lots of "flow disrupting" pauses in the video while you are speaking, makes the viewing experience feel really awkward like you're not prepared to make this video or something like that.
Hopefully you see this as helpful and thank you for the video!
You should definitely revisit Salamangreat! I'm a new player but I've been loving salamangreat. It plays through some disruption and can set a really oppressive board with the help of some off-archetype extra deck support like Accesscode talker and Promethean Princess.
Can you start going over tournament results like you used to. I like the competitive discussions
I agree with the Tier 3 placement, but I don’t think the Lab problem is necessarily the power level going up. When the deck gets a chance to play, it still has really strong plays and accrues insane advantage.
The real issue is that if a large portion of your games have an opponent hitting you with back row wipes, it forces out most your interactions and messes up your control strategy.
Going second into decks that are made to shut out Tenpai is also just very difficult, but that’s true for most decks. If the meta were to shift slightly, I think Lab would go back up. Won’t be Tier 1 but it basically never has been.
Few thoughts:
I think your Tier 1 is good except I would add VV to it. They're just Centurion but better. Super consistent, great into Maxx C, super sticky boards. I hate it lol. For me, Chimera is too high. Deck is so inconsistent sometimes, and other times gets shut down by 1 handtrap. Plus there's almost no room for handtraps yourself. Heavy trap Lab is better than Tier 3 IMO. You can completely ignore some mechanics that kill other decks, like Maxx C or Shifter. I run 3 Simultaneous Equation Cannon and 2 Terrors of the Overroot. Such amazing potential backrow removal, which was always a weakness previously. SEC is super simple to do once you understand it. It's just 2 subtraction problems. Cards on the field & in hand minus an opponent's card level = Whatever 2 XYZ ranks. Then opponent's card level minus whatever XYZ rank you sent = Fusion level you send.
I played Mathmech last season. 68.9% winrate. I ended up going on a 23-4 run to hit DL Max in the Cup, too. Felt super strong but you know, same general weakness to Maxx C, Nib, backrow and stun. Got me searching for something else to play this season. I'm thinking Snake-Eye Orcust or trying Marincess. 16 starters and 18 handtraps sounds cool, plus Bagooska if you get roach'd.
Infernoble def needs to be tier 2 minimum. neo space is the best one card combo in the game imo
You need to study it for your life to play it
Great List as usual very logically and well thought out as usual, I do have one minor disagreement however. I frankly think Mikanko is more rogue than tier 3. The deck as it’s pure variant is decent but loses hard to the board breakers prominent in Tenpai, while the warrior variant is inconsistent and can arguably just be called infernoble since most lists run a SE/Mikanko engine in your infernoble deck rather than infernoble in Mikanko.
You forgot to talk about the best deck which is, of course, Ninja.
Oh wait nevermind it’s just that people are forgetting to play it.
Centurion is highly tier 1 especially the synchro variants… you can literally play tenpai in it aswell as magia and dragoon 😂😂
Have you played it?
@@HassanMohamed-zw8nn I have and it’s got gas for anything tenpai plays for second with rank 8s from Horus for xyz along with the standard centurion combos not to mention playing a dragoon and magia package like muddy mud dragon. That variant can do anything.
@@Maliketh_TBB yea then your not playing centurion obviously
I just climbed with lab. That shxt at least tier 2. My win rate was dumb stupid
Branded is a great matchup for so much in this meta
Why everyone forget about rescue ace and purrely?
This past meta hasn't been great for Rescue Ace. Tenpai being so popular means there's a lot more Feather Dusters and lightning storms out there.
I play ritual beast
In season35 i hit master 2 extremely easily
Last season was rough couldn’t get to master at all
One less shifter hit the deck
The problem of the deck is max c and it just can’t go 2
Pra quem tem Chimera ou Mathmech, não se preocupe, você pega Master 5 tranquilamente, se a sua meta for apenas chegar lá. Depois disso só vai passar raiva e enfrentar qualquer deck doente de stun 😂
Was big hyped for rit beast, thought it was gonna be top of tier 2 at best
All it takes is a veiler or inperm on the fusion 😂😂 biggest choke hole to exploit
@Maliketh_TBB what? It doesn't?
@@prohobbyist5872 hahaha it sure does had many dip after I negate their first fusion 😂😂
@@Maliketh_TBB must be nice playing against bots but rit beast plays the best through imperm and veiler of all the hts, all the two card combos can and elder + canna can play through 2
Yeah I was waiting for RB for months as well, I actually like that it’s hard to play
I’m cookin wit dark magician rn
Mikanko better than pend and salamgreat is crazy, also tenpai still gonna be doing some bs after the hits, they will just find a way to do so
I actually think Tenpai is still tier 1
Honestly agree with all takes I do agree while tenpai is annoying a lot of decks are able to perform right now and that is a good thing. Only placement I disagree with is tenpai even with chundra and field spell to 1 I still think deck will be tier 1 but we will have to see
Goblin biker is at least tear 3 and when the support comes goblin biker will rule master duel 😁
Doesn’t matter anymore they ain’t banning Maxx c this game is done now especially after the leaks get ready for mulcharmy F - negate - mulcharmy P - negate - Maxx C (resolves)
@@Maliketh_TBB my opp hand ripping themselves for 3 when i set 5
People need to stop saying this stupid shit. No one's playing purulia, and very few decks have the room to play fuwalos when Maxx c is legal.
Anyone that does will be staring at their hand turn 1 and passing or having no usable handtraps after the only starter they drew was negated and now all their mulcharmies are dead in hand
@@HrybreadPurulia will be unplayed but I have a hard time believing any meta deck will not play 3 Fuwaloss and 3 C. I’m not doomering but I think it’s the reality of the situation.
I think thats what everyone is going to start playing now unfortunately. Was never a lab or stun player ever but will probably start playing lab now. @prohobbyist5872
@@prohobbyist5872love to see it
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