I like how it's modular, those look very similar to server power supplies in their size... makes me wonder if that's what they are using in a custom configuration. Easy reparability.
It's 100% some Huawei/Emerson Telco 48V power supplies. I have a few from a 4G Telco rack i tore down, and they are fully programmable via CANBUS where you can regulate voltage and amps, and ofc. read out vital data.
Thanks for posting, David. Always appreciate a straightforward review. We did get our unit - finally. Looking forward to seeing how it works on the Absolyte.
Using a MidNite Solar CLASSIC 150 MPPT Charge Controller, Operating at 150 Volts with a Max Current of 96 Amps. And hooked to a #DC1248AC DUAL CORE PMG/PMA by Thermodyne Systems and powered by a 6+HP Diesel engine all for under $1,700 works the treat for me. It is cheap to build and operate and very efficient. We make our own fuel using waste Veggie-Oil that has settled for two weeks and filtered down to 25 microns. We add 10% gasoline and filter to 1 micron and use it in our diesel generator. All of our filters are polyester cleanable and reusable. So, we have an efficient generator and cheap fuel that cost between 3-9 cents per kilowatt hour depending on if it is a 10% summer or 30% winter blend. We live in Michigan where the grid is 17.4 cents per Kilowatt Hour. So, this cost is less than the power grid. Even if you do not make your own fuel, it is still a good way to make energy.
So I’m off grid and have been buying from Signature Solar. Everything has been great. Have bought one EG4 battery, has been great and a growatt inverter. If this is done correctly, that is on a off grid set up, you will be using the lower voltage instead of 240. If you built your set up to run only 110-120 v, you will be using a smaller generator. The idea is to use small generators not 240. The bigger the generator, the more gas you use. If you have a shorter charge time it maybe a better deal.
Cool project. I'd like to see an update on the house and garage. I'm buying a 100-year-old house that needs some work. I've already started on improvements. By the way, solar is definitely on the list because the roof is perfect for it. You were an inspiration for both the house and the solar. I can't give you all the credit for that, but you DEFINITELY deserve some credit. I may even try cellulose insulation in the garage. Thanks for the videos!
@@DavidPozEnergy Well, I just found that there appears to be no insulation at all on the exterior walls. I live in Ohio, so that's not good. I'm probably going to do a blown-in insulation, but I'm not sure I'll have time to do it myself. Either way, your insulation videos are a BIG help in my understand of that process. I'm still a little concerned about how much that cellulose settles.
just got mine set up. in alaska i have some short days, so this is something i will use for probably 3 months out of the year. i use an 8000w generac. charged my 300ah bank at 75amps, from like 60% in 1.5 hours….i’m excited about being able to run my bank lower and charge faster instead of having to top off more frequently.
@@DavidPozEnergy was using the 18a with a 2000w generator and it’s just to much wear and tear and time. so this unit is super helpful. i wish that it could be mounted differently. or atleast had longer leads.
Morning David. Thanks for the video. Thought I would share that the Victron Shunt has an update now which will allow it to remember the state of charge when it loses power. When you open the Victon app, you’ll see the red exclamation mark over the settings icon. That update made a world of difference for me and my testing! No more having to remember the SOC when you power down!
What a great product. One improvement I would suggest is upgrading this charger to allow charging for 12v/24v batteries. Lots of us out there with smaller systems that would love this feature.
You can make something similar from a Huawei R4850G2 power supply - they are used to charge backup lithium batteries on cell towers - they used to be really cheap to buy (less than 50 bucks) but looking now they seem to be expensive now. You can also get dedicated 48v generators as well now - which avoids the need for the genny to invert to ac mains and the power supply to convert back down to dc
Hey David there's a setting on the latest firmware of smartshunt to always retain the previous SOC when it loses power so no more jumping back to 100% (I always thought that was stupid).
I totally agree. I have a feeling my shunt isn't telling me the proper SOC on my batteries either I don't know really how to set it I have to read some directions somewhere again.
Thanks for doing the test. I may eventually buy one if they appear to hold up over time. I have the Honda EU7000is and it can't start my 4-ton HVAC condensing unit even with a soft start. My Growatt 12k inverter likely can, so if I ever have a prolonged outage during a heat wave, I would be able to have the Honda run the Chargeverter while the Growatt runs the house loads and handles the large inrush spikes. This would prolong the run time of the 20kWh LIfepower4 battery rack provided that the average house load stays below the max continuous output of the generator which I converted to run on natural gas.
@davidpoz, i am wondering if you lose power input. Will the chargeverter retain the last setting once it gets back the power input back ? Or do you have to re configure the amp/voltage ?
This is cool. I'm planning on buying a chinese 4kw inverter, the new EG4 500v 100A MPPT charge controller, and maybe this now! I'm getting this setup instead of a EG4 AIO because they have extremely high idle consumption around 150w which is too much for my needs.
Hey DavidPoz. Looks like Growatt is about to launch the SPF 6000 ES Plus inverter. Would be awesoe if you could try get in contact with them and see if you can do a 1 phase/3 phase review on the units, im stoked on them because dual MPPTs.. Would be sweet to see you do a review on them like the ones you did for the 5kw units.. Keep up the nice work.
David, thanks for the review of this. I'm interested in one to pair with a j1772 on my box truck so I can charge at public ev chargers. What I can't seem to get an answer on is if the neutral is required or not for the 240v input. The J1772 standard is two hots and a ground, no neutral. Any chance you could check?
Will be working with small, non inverter generator. I use 3000 W AVR generator, and I must set on mppSolar controler about 10 Amps to start it, and then raise to 20, 30 and finaly to 40A. Maybe that charge controller have softstart.
Love it. That looks nice. I would love to have one of those. That's how I use my generator the most. Just put the power into the batts. Let the inviter do it's job. Thanks for sharing. God bless.
Yes. At first the charger didn't turn on because that switch was in 120V mode, and that means the 240V outlet is off. As soon as I switched it back to 240V the twist-lock turned on and the charger turned on. You have an eagle eye.
I have 4, 2400 watt 12v power supplies, 220/240v they can be put in series, with little mods, they are server power supplies, if I could build a DC to DC converter, with constant current constant voltage, capable of outputting 60-70v, this would be one heck of a charger, it would require over 10kw, they output 2450 watts, or I could use 5 in series, using a buck converter, I believe are more efficient, also adding wattage this would be in the 12-13kw possibly more required for full output,, I was thinking about using 3in series for 37.5v , To charge a 24v system, but I'm thinking about going to a 48v system, I would only need a inverter, running a 14s lion battery, two of my 7s in series,
Nice charger. I wonder how long it will last? A 175 amp Anderson plug on the charger and your battery busbar would make it more useful for easy battery top-up when your solar can't keep up in winter.
Thanks For your response. I Was wondering if you could power your loads from the charging power provided by the Chargeverter. I have a small gas generator, 2000 W, and this device may help me charging my batteries using my generator. I have a Schneider XW +so I have enjoy your recent videos on that inverter. Thank you again for your videos and please continue doing what you do.
@DavidPozEnergy I was wondering along with Charlies' question, IF you can safely turn on your INVERTER while charging with this new device? Will all that amperage fry the Inverter? I would think not, because they are ready to accept all the amperage from the batteries/banks, no issue... Your thoughts?
David, loved all of your solar/battery videos. I learned a lot from your videos. I'm in Florida and setting up an emergency power backup system using EG4 48V batteries and 3000W inverter/solar charger/ac charger combo unit. Since I don't have solar, if the power outage drags on, my plan was to use the gas power generator to charge up the batteries. The Chargeverter seem like a perfect fit. The one question I have is how do you keep providing the AC power via the inverter while you are charging the batteries? It seems like if you connect the Chargeverter to the power rails on the EG4 battery rack and not disconnect the inverter, then the Chargeverter is just going to be supplying power to the inverter. If you turn off the inverter or disconnect the inverter, then you have no power to the house. What am I missing? Thanks.
I don't think you are missing anything. You said you plan to use a 3000W inverter, but didn't mention the generator size. The Chargeverter can go up to 100A, so if the battery is at 54V, that's 5,400W. If you haven't bought the generator yet, I'd look for one between 5kW and 6kW continuous rating, and limit the Chargeverter to 90A. Let's say you are pushing 5kW into the battery busbars, and you are pulling 3kW to your loads through the inverter. That means 2kW will be charging the battery at the same time. But, if your loads drop to 1kW, then you have 4kW charging the battery. You still have 5kW from the Chargeverter.
@@DavidPozEnergy David, that all makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. My parts are scheduled to start arriving this Friday. Wish me luck 🙂. Thanks again.
I just purchased one of the EG4 chargeverter, but it is showing 0.0amps on the panel and my amp meter. However, it is giving me 48v up 57v. Any suggestion what to do.
I’m still learning. So what’s the advantage of having 100 amp charger over just going directly from the generator? You would still get 50 A charge into your batteries! The difference didn’t seem that much.
David, thanks for the video. I enjoy your videos, nicely done. I am not sure if I am seeing the benefit of using this unit to charge a battery bank. Are you saying the new Chargeverter is more efficient at charging a battery bank than the Schneiders and/or Growatts? Both inverter brands you have will charge the battery bank, I am not seeing the benefit, I guess. Do these inverters cannibalize power to charge battery banks vs when using a gennie? I bet I am over thinking this.
Actually, the Schneider inverter is a little more efficient at charging the battery than this is. In my previous video I showed how switching the loads back and forth from generator to inverter can make the lights blink. This charger eliminates that.
hmmm video cut @8:54 ...? Can these be used "automatically"... i.e using AGS (Auto Generator Start) to start a generator with the chargeverter permanently connected to the battery and generator. No manual intervention any time. Will the generator bog down on starting etc. IF I had to, I could put my delay circuitry in between the chargeverter and the genny but.... It seems like this might not be intended for automatic operation.
I have it hooked up permanently to my battery, and to my generator. I don't have a problem, but my generator has a built-in delay for the Voltage output terminals.
Thank you for sharing I didn't realize that when you're charging your battery through the inverter that you weren't able to invert meeting that you don't have hydro so this is a great way to do it now I'm running a 24 volt system is this offered any 24 V configuration
Signature Solar sells a few different 24V chargers. They have an 10A, 30A, and 35A. Right now the 30A is on a really good sale: signaturesolar.com/eg4-battery-charger-24v-30a/?ref=4_rHcgZ9x-TiF-
To confirm here, you turned off your inverter to run the charger. In a normal scenario, could you keep the exact same setup only adding the charger wired to the busbar and the solar, inverter, and batteries would all function the same? I've been concerned about doing something like this and having some kind of feed back because there would be two forms of power coming in and one would not be controlled by the inverter.
I've run the chargeverter, and the inverter, at the same time. There is nothing wrong with that. I turned off the inverter in the video simply to get an accurate measurement of power into the battery. If the inverter is ON, then some power goes to the inverter instead of the battery.
Ok, I think it might solve the current issue we're having. The XW Pro is showing a voltage difference per leg coming from the generator. I thought it was the generator but I tuned it up today, adjusted the Hz and the Voltage. Everything is looking good but when the power goes back to the inverter it still shows difference voltage. The two legs are off from each other about 10-15V but the total is still 240V. Because of this the Inverter won't qualify the incoming power. This wasn't and issue the last two winters. I fired up the generator for the first time the other day and ran into this problem. If I can by-pass the inverter all together and hook the generator straight up to the batteries via the 48V charger that would be great. Any ideas why the inverter isn't processing the power from the generator correctly? I've check voltage from the generator along every stop along the way to the inverter and everything shows 120V per leg. Then once in the inverter there is a difference. I did discover that I can have the generator running the house while any power that comes in from the panels on a cloudy day will still charge the batteries. I'm hoping that will allow us to get through the night once I the generator off. @@DavidPozEnergy
In the insight home, adjust the generator parameters as wide as they go for Voltage and Hertz. The factory setting is very picky about generator power. I've made several generator videos at this point. I've tested diesels and gas, inverter and regular. In my own setup, I've removed the generator from going into the inverter, and now it just goes to the chargeverter.
I'm not 99% convinced that there is an issue with my inverter. I gave me and Error 56: EEPROM Error (Strings Fail) last night and not the Inverter doesn't show up on the gateway at all. It is still doing it's job but I can't see it anymore. Plan to call Schneider in the morning. You videos have been helpful. Thanks for posting them. @@DavidPozEnergy
Is it possible to set the Schneider to stay off grid except to charge batteries when needed? How about to automatically "turn on" a generator to charge batteries when needed? TY
Yes, Schneider has a couple ways to program a generator to automatically start. I don't know about grid tied functions because I'm only testing off grid. I keep my comments to what I personally test.
Hey David, Great Video. Could you set up the Honda as a 2 wire auto start stop function that triggers when the battery reaches a certain level? Ive been looking for a 2 wire start stop generator thats budget friendly but cant seem to find anything in the USA thats quiet and smaller. I think you could make a great separate video on this setup. Im sure you could find a good way to do this.
Yes. Multiple things can be hooked to the battery bank at the same time. I recommend having some serious busbars centrally located (see busbar video). Note, that if this charger is charging the battery at 5kW, and you are consuming 5kW with your house loads, then the battery won't actually be getting charged.
David, I like the modular-ness of the main supplies. However.. I couldn't really see from the video.. Is there anything that secures the the internal 2 modules? You just slid them off. Is there something to prevent that say if you hang it vertical? Gravity or vibrations might cause them to slide out if there is nothing mechanical preventing that. I got to believe the EG guys would have something. I just missed it.
A couple of concerns. If you turn off the circuit breaker on that charger when it's not in use and you turn it on to use it does it produce a big current surge charging up its internal capacitors? The other concern is it seems to run quite hot I wonder how long do lifespan of the charger will be under those conditions?
I have shut off the circuit breaker and back on again a few times and didn't have a problem with whatever capacitors might be inside. Yes, it gets hot, and I really don't know the lifespan. I don't run mine at 100%, usually 80% in hopes that will prolong the life.
@@DavidPozEnergy that's helpful information and much appreciated. Signature Solar estimates mine will ship mid May. At least I now know which way the air flow through the charger goes, so I can mount it appropriately near my exhaust fan.
Huawei4850? I use the Emerson R48-3000e3 (65A53V) for my 14s li-ion one can program these, but I don't know much about this, how one can do this. then I could program it to 58V.
David, Do you know how LOW you can set the output current? I like that this charger can hit 5,550 watts so I can use my Ear-Blaster 6500 but would normally prefer to run it with my EU2000.
I don't think there would be a problem. The power-supplies internally are most likely switch-mode units. Those don't care if you use perfectly clean sine-wave or not. I'd love to borrow an old style generator for demonstration. In the case of a small UPS, they are probably trying to qualify the electricity before switching over. Meaning, the power coming in has to meet certain specs and then the UPS moves the loads to the incoming power. This means the UPS is saying the generator power is not clean enough for the loads, and stays in back-up mode.
Good day David. Been thinking about getting one of these. Can you do a "tuned test" for fuel efficiency & KWh to batteries with tour Honda please. Perhaps run Honda at 75% load to whatever amps that equals on charger. Would love to see a max KWh charged per gallon on a full tank of fuel, without overloading the genny of course.
Is there any reason these can't be paralleled for larger systems? I have a 22kw whole house generator, a sol ark 12kw system with 6) 5kw server rack lifepo4 batteries. it seems to me, since its DC output, I should be able to utilize two or three of these units, set the parameters lower, run them a little cooler, and maximize the larger generator output with the large battery bank, reducing hours on the generator and still staying at proper charge rates for the LiFePo4. thank you !
Yes, you can parallel more than 1 charger into the same battery bank. It sounds like you have the same battery bank as I do, 30kWh total. Since you don't want to exceed a 0.5C rate, keep the total charging current to 300 Amps. This means, if you had 4 "Chargeverters" each at 75 Amps, you could re-charge the battery bank in 2 hours (0%-100% SOC). I would suggest setting this to only occur at night. If the generator attempted to do this while there was some solar coming in, then you would exceed 0.5C rate.
David, I have a question maybe you can help with. I just purchased an EG4 3000w 48V all on one inverter from SIgnature Solar and I was wondering if I can connect Redodo 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 Battery (4PACK) to the EG4 all in one inverter and will the BMS communicate with the inverter? I'd like to do this because I can't afford the EG4 battery and the rediculous $285 shipping charge.
Is it rated for continuous use? Could I plug this into Grid power to maintain my batteries while I was still using my Inverters as if they were a giant ups? I understand I would be wasting quite a bit of energy but I still do not have my PV panels installed yet. Slow process but I wanted to get all my inside wiring completed and tested first. It will be an off-grid set up completely separated from the Utility. Thanks for the video.
Yes, you could do that. I've ran this charger for several hours in a row without a problem. Keep in mind, if you set it up like that you might want to lower the Voltage to 54.5V since it will be floating there. I don't see a reason it wouldn't work for you, but I have not personally tested using the Chargeverter in that situation.
Thanks David, I've a 120v 30a generator with a TT-30R outlet. Can you give advice on how I can make it work with this chargeverter? Looks like the chargeverter plug can be disassembled, which should allow me to put on a TT-30R plug on it?
You are correct, that the plug on the cord can be removed. I haven't done it, but there might not be a neutral (white) wire in the cord. If there is a neutral wire, then you will have to double check it's not connected to anything inside.
@@DavidPozEnergy Thanks, I confirmed there's no neutral, it's currently wired with 2 hots, blue and a brown, and a yellow/green for ground. For a TT-30, do I just wire one of the hots, and ground and no neutral? or do i bridge both hots and no neutral?
But what is the point of this if you have 2 Schneider 6848 that are capable of charging your batteries at 140amp each and you can buy a $180.00 Schneider AGS (automatic generator start) to control the generator
This isn’t the right video, but not sure you monitor older videos, how well does the Growatt (specifically) or other inverters work with large draw tools? For example using a circular saw, smaller inverters seem to not be able to keep a nice sine wave.
Here is my video with the Growatt testing tools: th-cam.com/video/yWUfvvSa3K8/w-d-xo.html Here is my video with the Schneider testing tools: th-cam.com/video/nCV1OUrcAaw/w-d-xo.html
It is $399. Sorry, when I first posted I had messed up the link. Here is a fixed affiliate link: signaturesolar.com/eg4-chargeverter-battery-charger-48v-100a-5120w-output-240/120v-input?ref=4_rHcgZ9x-TiF-
Nope. That's one of the best parts. I don't even need to turn off solar charge controllers. They can run at the same time. Now, for the best results you should have central bus bars, and they need to be thick copper, not the thin brass ones
great video....if it wasnt sent to you for experimenting/free, would you buy one ? also i am almost ready to flip the switch and invest in a solar system , are you satisfied with the batteries ? i may go a different route for the inverter though (was thinking the sol-ark 15(s)).
Yes, I would pay $400 to purchase this, even if it wasn't sent for free. I wish it mounted vertically and had all the wires exit the bottom, but I might just be nit-picking. However, this is not the first thing I would buy if money was tight. A lot of inverters (including mine) can re-charge a battery from a generator. So, this 100A charger is probably the last thing to buy on the list. As for the batteries... Yes. I bought the Gyll batteries and rack. I used them over a year without any faults. The newer version, LifePower4, I've had a few months. I don't like the position of the circuit breaker as much as the original version, but it's still the best buy ($/kWh). If you decide to use a Sol-Ark off grid, then I'd suggest adding a transformer to your list of equipment.
@@DavidPozEnergy I'm trying to stay grid connected.....thank you for the additional information and in depth videos....I'll be using some of them as a template
I’m currently awaiting Level 2 Support from Signature Solar to call me back. Here is the issue. I’m getting 48V and 0 amps. The internal modules are fully seated and their status lights both green. I can adjusted the current up/down on the interface but still no output currently. The display reads 48V and 0 amps. I don’t have a DC clamp meter to confirm 0 amps are going to the batteries but they are not charging and after an hour the charger is cold to the touch. So nothing is happening. Has anyone else seen this issue?
Thanks David I figured out the no amperage issue. The voltage has to be set higher than 48V evidently. Given there is no communication between the charger and batteries it must use the voltage level to start/stop charging. I will verify when Signature Solar Level 2 Tech Support calls me back.
I'm slow to pick up on this stuff. So, in conclusion........ this generator will recharge Six of your batteries from what percentage to full (?) in how much time and gasoline? I am sure it was all there I just didn't put it all together in the end.
This "Chargeverter" maxes out at 100 Amps. My battery bank is a total of 600Ah. That means 6 hours to charge from 0% to 100% SOC. Personally, I'll run mine at 90A, and only from 20% to 60% SOC. 20%-60% means a total of 40% of the capacity to be re-charged from the generator. Let's do the math: 600Ah * 40% = 240Ah 240Ah / 90A = 2.7h This means, 2 hours and 40 minutes of generator run-time. I don't need to run the generator every day, maybe every other day in January.
@@DavidPozEnergy Thank you for the Math and explanation. Your 20-60% makes sense to me. I have yet to have Li batteries and am working with AGM (good ones), but want to convert to Li when my AGMs need replacement. I like the deal offered with the six batteries and the rack right now from signature. It looks just like your set up. Nice!
it may not need to be, but one will lose significant efficiency in charging. I wouldn't use that configuration in anything but a urgent temporary situation. I have a 1200W modified SW inverter under my hood of my truck running an old reliable workhorse heavy transformer based charger for emergency charging of the battery. The charger is over 25 years old and runs strong as ever. I have a 500W PSW inside for charging phones ands small devices. It will run (barely - sometimes resets) a small air compressor for airing up tires when necessary.
Nice but without UL listing and CSA it can't be legally used. Explain to your insurance company why you used something not listed and your house burned down. Where is the AC circuit protection?
In my case, the AC circuit breaker is at the AC source. I have an AC circuit breaker on my generator. I hope EG4 sends this to get UL tested. Having that listing would be good.
I like how it's modular, those look very similar to server power supplies in their size... makes me wonder if that's what they are using in a custom configuration. Easy reparability.
hopefully it lets you run the unit at half capacity if one fails.
Identical to 48v telecoms power supplies
They sure do look like server supplies. Even the card edge connector appears as if it could be the same.
Server or telco power modules. I didn't see a model number. It's not repairable if you can't get the modules.
It's 100% some Huawei/Emerson Telco 48V power supplies. I have a few from a 4G Telco rack i tore down, and they are fully programmable via CANBUS where you can regulate voltage and amps, and ofc. read out vital data.
I preordered this a week ago…hoping it would work for me. I feel better after seeing your review.
Thanks for posting, David. Always appreciate a straightforward review. We did get our unit - finally. Looking forward to seeing how it works on the Absolyte.
I pre-ordered one a while ago. Still not got mine. But glad to see a review on it.
In the latest firmware of the victron smart shunt you can enable it to keep the SOC after a power loss!
Just a couple server PSUs in the box - clever!
Using a MidNite Solar CLASSIC 150 MPPT Charge Controller, Operating at 150 Volts with a Max Current of 96 Amps. And hooked to a #DC1248AC DUAL CORE PMG/PMA by Thermodyne Systems and powered by a 6+HP Diesel engine all for under $1,700 works the treat for me. It is cheap to build and operate and very efficient. We make our own fuel using waste Veggie-Oil that has settled for two weeks and filtered down to 25 microns. We add 10% gasoline and filter to 1 micron and use it in our diesel generator. All of our filters are polyester cleanable and reusable. So, we have an efficient generator and cheap fuel that cost between 3-9 cents per kilowatt hour depending on if it is a 10% summer or 30% winter blend. We live in Michigan where the grid is 17.4 cents per Kilowatt Hour. So, this cost is less than the power grid. Even if you do not make your own fuel, it is still a good way to make energy.
This is definitely better for your batteries not to mention cheaper to replace. Generators are tough on electronics.
I never knew all this stuff I'm glad I saw the video I haven't run my generator in awhile but it's good to know that they suck hahaha
So I’m off grid and have been buying from Signature Solar. Everything has been great. Have bought one EG4 battery, has been great and a growatt inverter. If this is done correctly, that is on a off grid set up, you will be using the lower voltage instead of 240. If you built your set up to run only 110-120 v, you will be using a smaller generator. The idea is to use small generators not 240. The bigger the generator, the more gas you use. If you have a shorter charge time it maybe a better deal.
I'm less concerned with run-time, and more concerned with kWh per gallon of fuel.
Thanks Dave! The instructions for this unit left me with many questions. You answered them all!
Glad to help
Hi... I'm Enock from Ghana and living in Germany. I just subscribed your channel and I really like what you do.
Cool project. I'd like to see an update on the house and garage. I'm buying a 100-year-old house that needs some work. I've already started on improvements. By the way, solar is definitely on the list because the roof is perfect for it. You were an inspiration for both the house and the solar. I can't give you all the credit for that, but you DEFINITELY deserve some credit. I may even try cellulose insulation in the garage. Thanks for the videos!
I'm glad my videos help in some small way.
@@DavidPozEnergy Well, I just found that there appears to be no insulation at all on the exterior walls. I live in Ohio, so that's not good. I'm probably going to do a blown-in insulation, but I'm not sure I'll have time to do it myself. Either way, your insulation videos are a BIG help in my understand of that process. I'm still a little concerned about how much that cellulose settles.
just got mine set up. in alaska i have some short days, so this is something i will use for probably 3 months out of the year. i use an 8000w generac. charged my 300ah bank at 75amps, from like 60% in 1.5 hours….i’m excited about being able to run my bank lower and charge faster instead of having to top off more frequently.
Yeah, Alaska would need a pretty good generator system. Thanks for sharing.
@@DavidPozEnergy was using the 18a with a 2000w generator and it’s just to much wear and tear and time. so this unit is super helpful. i wish that it could be mounted differently. or atleast had longer leads.
Morning David. Thanks for the video.
Thought I would share that the Victron Shunt has an update now which will allow it to remember the state of charge when it loses power. When you open the Victon app, you’ll see the red exclamation mark over the settings icon. That update made a world of difference for me and my testing! No more having to remember the SOC when you power down!
Thanks for letting me know. I'll check it out.
I was going to say the same thing.
What a great product. One improvement I would suggest is upgrading this charger to allow charging for 12v/24v batteries. Lots of us out there with smaller systems that would love this feature.
Yes, I'd like a 24v option. A selectable one would be even better.
Great product that will sure to get the batteries charges up .🤙🤙
Best video on this product that I've seen. Thanks.
You're welcome.
You can make something similar from a Huawei R4850G2 power supply - they are used to charge backup lithium batteries on cell towers - they used to be really cheap to buy (less than 50 bucks) but looking now they seem to be expensive now.
You can also get dedicated 48v generators as well now - which avoids the need for the genny to invert to ac mains and the power supply to convert back down to dc
The Huawei gear would be going up because they've been banned from the US so anything you see is new old stock.
Hey David there's a setting on the latest firmware of smartshunt to always retain the previous SOC when it loses power so no more jumping back to 100% (I always thought that was stupid).
I totally agree. I have a feeling my shunt isn't telling me the proper SOC on my batteries either I don't know really how to set it I have to read some directions somewhere again.
Pretty nifty little unit. Thanks, David.
Thanks for doing the test. I may eventually buy one if they appear to hold up over time. I have the Honda EU7000is and it can't start my 4-ton HVAC condensing unit even with a soft start. My Growatt 12k inverter likely can, so if I ever have a prolonged outage during a heat wave, I would be able to have the Honda run the Chargeverter while the Growatt runs the house loads and handles the large inrush spikes. This would prolong the run time of the 20kWh LIfepower4 battery rack provided that the average house load stays below the max continuous output of the generator which I converted to run on natural gas.
@davidpoz, i am wondering if you lose power input. Will the chargeverter retain the last setting once it gets back the power input back ? Or do you have to re configure the amp/voltage ?
mine retains the info
This is cool. I'm planning on buying a chinese 4kw inverter, the new EG4 500v 100A MPPT charge controller, and maybe this now! I'm getting this setup instead of a EG4 AIO because they have extremely high idle consumption around 150w which is too much for my needs.
Great. If you decide to use any of the affiliate links in the description, it would really help out the channel.
I was hoping to see you share how it compares to using the other gen-to-battery setups, in over efficiency that is.
Thanks for Celsius 😀 during temperature measurement.
As always, thanks David.
😎Thanks David! Very good information you provided.
Hey DavidPoz.
Looks like Growatt is about to launch the SPF 6000 ES Plus inverter. Would be awesoe if you could try get in contact with them and see if you can do a 1 phase/3 phase review on the units, im stoked on them because dual MPPTs.. Would be sweet to see you do a review on them like the ones you did for the 5kw units.. Keep up the nice work.
David, thanks for the review of this. I'm interested in one to pair with a j1772 on my box truck so I can charge at public ev chargers. What I can't seem to get an answer on is if the neutral is required or not for the 240v input. The J1772 standard is two hots and a ground, no neutral. Any chance you could check?
Will be working with small, non inverter generator.
I use 3000 W AVR generator, and I must set on mppSolar controler about 10 Amps to start it, and then raise to 20, 30 and finaly to 40A.
Maybe that charge controller have softstart.
I just ordered one of these from signature solar it's supposed to be shipping in about 2 weeks.
Love it. That looks nice. I would love to have one of those. That's how I use my generator the most. Just put the power into the batts. Let the inviter do it's job. Thanks for sharing. God bless.
Thanks for the comment Bobby.
Idle loss should be readers at the input (AC) side
David, I saw you had your generator set to 120 V, did you change that for the test to 240?
Yes. At first the charger didn't turn on because that switch was in 120V mode, and that means the 240V outlet is off. As soon as I switched it back to 240V the twist-lock turned on and the charger turned on. You have an eagle eye.
@@DavidPozEnergy hehe, only because I've done the same thing myself. I just ordered one of these.exactly what Ive been looking for..
You don't have to depend on an app to tell you your readings, break out ohms, Watts and Joule’s law and a meter.
Good vid as usual.
sure use a rock and branch as a hammer as well
I have 4, 2400 watt 12v power supplies, 220/240v they can be put in series, with little mods, they are server power supplies, if I could build a DC to DC converter, with constant current constant voltage, capable of outputting 60-70v, this would be one heck of a charger, it would require over 10kw, they output 2450 watts, or I could use 5 in series, using a buck converter, I believe are more efficient, also adding wattage this would be in the 12-13kw possibly more required for full output,,
I was thinking about using 3in series for 37.5v , To charge a 24v system, but I'm thinking about going to a 48v system, I would only need a inverter, running a 14s lion battery, two of my 7s in series,
thats a lot
Looks like 2 Meanwell hot-swap RCP-3K1U maybe...
I made something similar for my 4kw 100v ebike
Nice tools
So, you should do a show on how long it takes to charge different size battery banks at different c rates ECT. With this charger
80A divided by like 8 banks meass easy charging conditions for LFP. Light tickle.
Nice charger. I wonder how long it will last? A 175 amp Anderson plug on the charger and your battery busbar would make it more useful for easy battery top-up when your solar can't keep up in winter.
Is it only for lithium batteries .
Exelente siempre compartiendo contenido de calidad y escaso . Saludos !
Hi David, thank you for videos. Did you try powering your loads with the inverter while charging? Thanks
No. I wanted to measure power at the shunt during the test.
Thanks For your response. I
Was wondering if you could power your loads from the charging power provided by the Chargeverter. I have a small gas generator, 2000 W, and this device may help me charging my batteries using my generator. I have a Schneider XW +so I have enjoy your recent videos on that inverter. Thank you again for your videos and please continue doing what you do.
@DavidPozEnergy I was wondering along with Charlies' question, IF you can safely turn on your INVERTER while charging with this new device? Will all that amperage fry the Inverter? I would think not, because they are ready to accept all the amperage from the batteries/banks, no issue... Your thoughts?
Thumbs up 👍 good demo!
should be measuring the idle consumption on the ac side
The generator is turned off when the charger is not needed.
Newbie here. I check on everything to be safe. It looks like you connected this into your bus bars. Is that correct?
David, loved all of your solar/battery videos. I learned a lot from your videos. I'm in Florida and setting up an emergency power backup system using EG4 48V batteries and 3000W inverter/solar charger/ac charger combo unit. Since I don't have solar, if the power outage drags on, my plan was to use the gas power generator to charge up the batteries. The Chargeverter seem like a perfect fit. The one question I have is how do you keep providing the AC power via the inverter while you are charging the batteries? It seems like if you connect the Chargeverter to the power rails on the EG4 battery rack and not disconnect the inverter, then the Chargeverter is just going to be supplying power to the inverter. If you turn off the inverter or disconnect the inverter, then you have no power to the house. What am I missing? Thanks.
I don't think you are missing anything.
You said you plan to use a 3000W inverter, but didn't mention the generator size. The Chargeverter can go up to 100A, so if the battery is at 54V, that's 5,400W.
If you haven't bought the generator yet, I'd look for one between 5kW and 6kW continuous rating, and limit the Chargeverter to 90A.
Let's say you are pushing 5kW into the battery busbars, and you are pulling 3kW to your loads through the inverter. That means 2kW will be charging the battery at the same time. But, if your loads drop to 1kW, then you have 4kW charging the battery. You still have 5kW from the Chargeverter.
@@DavidPozEnergy David, that all makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. My parts are scheduled to start arriving this Friday. Wish me luck 🙂. Thanks again.
I just purchased one of the EG4 chargeverter, but it is showing 0.0amps on the panel and my amp meter. However, it is giving me 48v up 57v. Any suggestion what to do.
David, I was wondering why you did not use your meter too vs the panel and your phone alone?
Awesome charger. Looks great.
I expected to see 2 meanwhile power supplies in there. And that unit on sale right now for 399 not a bad deal really.
I’m still learning. So what’s the advantage of having 100 amp charger over just going directly from the generator?
You would still get 50 A charge into your batteries!
The difference didn’t seem that much.
David, thanks for the video. I enjoy your videos, nicely done. I am not sure if I am seeing the benefit of using this unit to charge a battery bank. Are you saying the new Chargeverter is more efficient at charging a battery bank than the Schneiders and/or Growatts? Both inverter brands you have will charge the battery bank, I am not seeing the benefit, I guess. Do these inverters cannibalize power to charge battery banks vs when using a gennie? I bet I am over thinking this.
Actually, the Schneider inverter is a little more efficient at charging the battery than this is. In my previous video I showed how switching the loads back and forth from generator to inverter can make the lights blink. This charger eliminates that.
What size generator gage cord for 100ft is recommended?
hmmm video cut @8:54 ...? Can these be used "automatically"... i.e using AGS (Auto Generator Start) to start a generator with the chargeverter permanently connected to the battery and generator. No manual intervention any time. Will the generator bog down on starting etc. IF I had to, I could put my delay circuitry in between the chargeverter and the genny but.... It seems like this might not be intended for automatic operation.
I have it hooked up permanently to my battery, and to my generator. I don't have a problem, but my generator has a built-in delay for the Voltage output terminals.
Thank you for sharing I didn't realize that when you're charging your battery through the inverter that you weren't able to invert meeting that you don't have hydro so this is a great way to do it now I'm running a 24 volt system is this offered any 24 V configuration
Signature Solar sells a few different 24V chargers. They have an 10A, 30A, and 35A. Right now the 30A is on a really good sale: signaturesolar.com/eg4-battery-charger-24v-30a/?ref=4_rHcgZ9x-TiF-
To confirm here, you turned off your inverter to run the charger. In a normal scenario, could you keep the exact same setup only adding the charger wired to the busbar and the solar, inverter, and batteries would all function the same? I've been concerned about doing something like this and having some kind of feed back because there would be two forms of power coming in and one would not be controlled by the inverter.
I've run the chargeverter, and the inverter, at the same time. There is nothing wrong with that. I turned off the inverter in the video simply to get an accurate measurement of power into the battery. If the inverter is ON, then some power goes to the inverter instead of the battery.
Ok, I think it might solve the current issue we're having. The XW Pro is showing a voltage difference per leg coming from the generator. I thought it was the generator but I tuned it up today, adjusted the Hz and the Voltage. Everything is looking good but when the power goes back to the inverter it still shows difference voltage. The two legs are off from each other about 10-15V but the total is still 240V. Because of this the Inverter won't qualify the incoming power.
This wasn't and issue the last two winters. I fired up the generator for the first time the other day and ran into this problem. If I can by-pass the inverter all together and hook the generator straight up to the batteries via the 48V charger that would be great.
Any ideas why the inverter isn't processing the power from the generator correctly? I've check voltage from the generator along every stop along the way to the inverter and everything shows 120V per leg. Then once in the inverter there is a difference.
I did discover that I can have the generator running the house while any power that comes in from the panels on a cloudy day will still charge the batteries. I'm hoping that will allow us to get through the night once I the generator off. @@DavidPozEnergy
In the insight home, adjust the generator parameters as wide as they go for Voltage and Hertz. The factory setting is very picky about generator power. I've made several generator videos at this point. I've tested diesels and gas, inverter and regular. In my own setup, I've removed the generator from going into the inverter, and now it just goes to the chargeverter.
I'm not 99% convinced that there is an issue with my inverter. I gave me and Error 56: EEPROM Error (Strings Fail) last night and not the Inverter doesn't show up on the gateway at all. It is still doing it's job but I can't see it anymore. Plan to call Schneider in the morning. You videos have been helpful. Thanks for posting them. @@DavidPozEnergy
Is it possible to set the Schneider to stay off grid except to charge batteries when needed?
How about to automatically "turn on" a generator to charge batteries when needed?
TY
Yes, Schneider has a couple ways to program a generator to automatically start.
I don't know about grid tied functions because I'm only testing off grid. I keep my comments to what I personally test.
Hey David, Great Video. Could you set up the Honda as a 2 wire auto start stop function that triggers when the battery reaches a certain level? Ive been looking for a 2 wire start stop generator thats budget friendly but cant seem to find anything in the USA thats quiet and smaller. I think you could make a great separate video on this setup. Im sure you could find a good way to do this.
My Honda EU6500 doesn't go to 2-wire easily. But, the newer version is EU7000, and that one will do a 2-wire easy.
David can you charge like this with the inverter running to power the house?
Yes. Multiple things can be hooked to the battery bank at the same time. I recommend having some serious busbars centrally located (see busbar video). Note, that if this charger is charging the battery at 5kW, and you are consuming 5kW with your house loads, then the battery won't actually be getting charged.
good Morning David. Thanks for the video i had a aims it ,s cook this may be a batter one
David, I like the modular-ness of the main supplies. However.. I couldn't really see from the video.. Is there anything that secures the the internal 2 modules? You just slid them off. Is there something to prevent that say if you hang it vertical? Gravity or vibrations might cause them to slide out if there is nothing mechanical preventing that. I got to believe the EG guys would have something. I just missed it.
Nevermind.. I just went back and saw the bracket.. 🙂
Wow you've really turned into a Gilfoyle
A couple of concerns. If you turn off the circuit breaker on that charger when it's not in use and you turn it on to use it does it produce a big current surge charging up its internal capacitors? The other concern is it seems to run quite hot I wonder how long do lifespan of the charger will be under those conditions?
I have shut off the circuit breaker and back on again a few times and didn't have a problem with whatever capacitors might be inside. Yes, it gets hot, and I really don't know the lifespan. I don't run mine at 100%, usually 80% in hopes that will prolong the life.
@@DavidPozEnergy that's helpful information and much appreciated. Signature Solar estimates mine will ship mid May. At least I now know which way the air flow through the charger goes, so I can mount it appropriately near my exhaust fan.
Huawei4850?
I use the Emerson R48-3000e3 (65A53V) for my 14s li-ion
one can program these, but I don't know much about this, how one can do this. then I could program it to 58V.
David, Do you know how LOW you can set the output current? I like that this charger can hit 5,550 watts so I can use my Ear-Blaster 6500 but would normally prefer to run it with my EU2000.
Thanks for sharing David! Like #598
Do you think it would have a problem with a non-inverter style generator? My APC & CyberPower UPS's always take exception to the generator power...
I don't think there would be a problem. The power-supplies internally are most likely switch-mode units. Those don't care if you use perfectly clean sine-wave or not. I'd love to borrow an old style generator for demonstration.
In the case of a small UPS, they are probably trying to qualify the electricity before switching over. Meaning, the power coming in has to meet certain specs and then the UPS moves the loads to the incoming power. This means the UPS is saying the generator power is not clean enough for the loads, and stays in back-up mode.
Nice charger, Runs a bit hot. Cheers
Backordered until April arrrrrrrgh!
Good day David. Been thinking about getting one of these. Can you do a "tuned test" for fuel efficiency & KWh to batteries with tour Honda please.
Perhaps run Honda at 75% load to whatever amps that equals on charger. Would love to see a max KWh charged per gallon on a full tank of fuel, without overloading the genny of course.
Yes, I plan to do a part 2 video to my previous fuel economy test.
looks like it has 2x dell 24v power suplys wired series output
Is there any reason these can't be paralleled for larger systems? I have a 22kw whole house generator, a sol ark 12kw system with 6) 5kw server rack lifepo4 batteries. it seems to me, since its DC output, I should be able to utilize two or three of these units, set the parameters lower, run them a little cooler, and maximize the larger generator output with the large battery bank, reducing hours on the generator and still staying at proper charge rates for the LiFePo4. thank you !
Yes, you can parallel more than 1 charger into the same battery bank.
It sounds like you have the same battery bank as I do, 30kWh total. Since you don't want to exceed a 0.5C rate, keep the total charging current to 300 Amps. This means, if you had 4 "Chargeverters" each at 75 Amps, you could re-charge the battery bank in 2 hours (0%-100% SOC). I would suggest setting this to only occur at night. If the generator attempted to do this while there was some solar coming in, then you would exceed 0.5C rate.
Nice charger, can you work out how many KWh per gallon with that setup compared to the smaller charger and generator in your other video?
Yes. I'm working on that video.
Very cool
David, I have a question maybe you can help with. I just purchased an EG4 3000w 48V all on one inverter from SIgnature Solar and I was wondering if I can connect Redodo 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 Battery (4PACK) to the EG4 all in one inverter and will the BMS communicate with the inverter? I'd like to do this because I can't afford the EG4 battery and the rediculous $285 shipping charge.
Great work as always. Do you have an estimate of the fuel efficiency (KWh / gallon)?
Yes. My video with my Honda generator showed 5.8kWh/gal. Check it out if you have time. I test it at several different current settings.
@@DavidPozEnergy Awesome!
Is it rated for continuous use? Could I plug this into Grid power to maintain my batteries while I was still using my Inverters as if they were a giant ups? I understand I would be wasting quite a bit of energy but I still do not have my PV panels installed yet. Slow process but I wanted to get all my inside wiring completed and tested first. It will be an off-grid set up completely separated from the Utility. Thanks for the video.
Yes, you could do that. I've ran this charger for several hours in a row without a problem. Keep in mind, if you set it up like that you might want to lower the Voltage to 54.5V since it will be floating there. I don't see a reason it wouldn't work for you, but I have not personally tested using the Chargeverter in that situation.
Any settings for AGM Lead Acid charging? Or just a flat charging curve for Li-Ion?
This is really made for Lithium, not LA.
Thanks David, I've a 120v 30a generator with a TT-30R outlet. Can you give advice on how I can make it work with this chargeverter? Looks like the chargeverter plug can be disassembled, which should allow me to put on a TT-30R plug on it?
You are correct, that the plug on the cord can be removed. I haven't done it, but there might not be a neutral (white) wire in the cord. If there is a neutral wire, then you will have to double check it's not connected to anything inside.
@@DavidPozEnergy Thanks, I confirmed there's no neutral, it's currently wired with 2 hots, blue and a brown, and a yellow/green for ground. For a TT-30, do I just wire one of the hots, and ground and no neutral? or do i bridge both hots and no neutral?
Your inverter won't charge in pass through mode? Maybe your generator won't power everything in the house?
Hi David
Think this charger can charge AGM batteries ?
It is made for lithium.
@@DavidPozEnergy thx
But what is the point of this if you have 2 Schneider 6848 that are capable of charging your batteries at 140amp each and you can buy a $180.00 Schneider AGS (automatic generator start) to control the generator
I have a previous video testing my generator input into the Schneider: th-cam.com/video/36H6Sb2IG_k/w-d-xo.html
This isn’t the right video, but not sure you monitor older videos, how well does the Growatt (specifically) or other inverters work with large draw tools? For example using a circular saw, smaller inverters seem to not be able to keep a nice sine wave.
Btw love your videos and thank you for putting all the time in to test and teach all of this!
Here is my video with the Growatt testing tools: th-cam.com/video/yWUfvvSa3K8/w-d-xo.html
Here is my video with the Schneider testing tools: th-cam.com/video/nCV1OUrcAaw/w-d-xo.html
@@DavidPozEnergy thank you! I’m not sure how I missed those!
It's already no longer on SS website. For reference, would you tell us the price?
It is $399. Sorry, when I first posted I had messed up the link. Here is a fixed affiliate link: signaturesolar.com/eg4-chargeverter-battery-charger-48v-100a-5120w-output-240/120v-input?ref=4_rHcgZ9x-TiF-
Dave, do you need to turn off the inverters while using the charger? I've got (2)EG4 6500's and the (6)lifepower battery bank
Nope. That's one of the best parts. I don't even need to turn off solar charge controllers. They can run at the same time. Now, for the best results you should have central bus bars, and they need to be thick copper, not the thin brass ones
@@DavidPozEnergy awesome! thank you! the inverters keep up pretty well, but a string of cloudy days and I have to fall back to something.
Yeah, me too. I have a few generators. I don't need them 10 months of the year, but pull them out for Jan+Feb.
is it friday again
i wonder if those power supply's came from old decommissioned cell tower units which are typically 48v
haha. considering the output voltage is configurable, highly unlikely
I'll be interested when they make a 24v version. Until then. It's useless for half of the systems out there
Will it also charge 24v or 36v nonimal battery banks?
No, this is made just for 48V lithium battery banks.
great video....if it wasnt sent to you for experimenting/free, would you buy one ? also i am almost ready to flip the switch and invest in a solar system , are you satisfied with the batteries ? i may go a different route for the inverter though (was thinking the sol-ark 15(s)).
Yes, I would pay $400 to purchase this, even if it wasn't sent for free. I wish it mounted vertically and had all the wires exit the bottom, but I might just be nit-picking. However, this is not the first thing I would buy if money was tight. A lot of inverters (including mine) can re-charge a battery from a generator. So, this 100A charger is probably the last thing to buy on the list. As for the batteries... Yes. I bought the Gyll batteries and rack. I used them over a year without any faults. The newer version, LifePower4, I've had a few months. I don't like the position of the circuit breaker as much as the original version, but it's still the best buy ($/kWh).
If you decide to use a Sol-Ark off grid, then I'd suggest adding a transformer to your list of equipment.
@@DavidPozEnergy I'm trying to stay grid connected.....thank you for the additional information and in depth videos....I'll be using some of them as a template
Very similar to a golf cart battery charger, right?
I've taken apart a golf-cart battery charger once before, and the insides were totally different.
I’m currently awaiting Level 2 Support from Signature Solar to call me back. Here is the issue. I’m getting 48V and 0 amps. The internal modules are fully seated and their status lights both green. I can adjusted the current up/down on the interface but still no output currently. The display reads 48V and 0 amps. I don’t have a DC clamp meter to confirm 0 amps are going to the batteries but they are not charging and after an hour the charger is cold to the touch. So nothing is happening. Has anyone else seen this issue?
I had this happen to me once. I had forgotten to turn on one of my many circuit breakers to the battery. Lol.
Thanks David I figured out the no amperage issue. The voltage has to be set higher than 48V evidently. Given there is no communication between the charger and batteries it must use the voltage level to start/stop charging. I will verify when Signature Solar Level 2 Tech Support calls me back.
Those look suspiciously like rectifiers out of a 48V telco rectifier shelf.
I'm slow to pick up on this stuff. So, in conclusion........ this generator will recharge Six of your batteries from what percentage to full (?) in how much time and gasoline? I am sure it was all there I just didn't put it all together in the end.
This "Chargeverter" maxes out at 100 Amps. My battery bank is a total of 600Ah. That means 6 hours to charge from 0% to 100% SOC. Personally, I'll run mine at 90A, and only from 20% to 60% SOC. 20%-60% means a total of 40% of the capacity to be re-charged from the generator. Let's do the math:
600Ah * 40% = 240Ah
240Ah / 90A = 2.7h
This means, 2 hours and 40 minutes of generator run-time.
I don't need to run the generator every day, maybe every other day in January.
@@DavidPozEnergy Thank you for the Math and explanation. Your 20-60% makes sense to me. I have yet to have Li batteries and am working with AGM (good ones), but want to convert to Li when my AGMs need replacement. I like the deal offered with the six batteries and the rack right now from signature. It looks just like your set up. Nice!
Telecommunications battery chargers.
When using a charge controller like this does the generator need to be a full (not modified) sine wave?
it may not need to be, but one will lose significant efficiency in charging.
I wouldn't use that configuration in anything but a urgent temporary situation.
I have a 1200W modified SW inverter under my hood of my truck running an old reliable workhorse heavy transformer based charger for emergency charging of the battery.
The charger is over 25 years old and runs strong as ever.
I have a 500W PSW inside for charging phones ands small devices.
It will run (barely - sometimes resets) a small air compressor for airing up tires when necessary.
Modified might be a little harsher on the electronics but it should take it.
Nice but without UL listing and CSA it can't be legally used. Explain to your insurance company why you used something not listed and your house burned down.
Where is the AC circuit protection?
In my case, the AC circuit breaker is at the AC source. I have an AC circuit breaker on my generator. I hope EG4 sends this to get UL tested. Having that listing would be good.
Dude, that hair.
I was going to say the same thing. I’ll come cut it for him lol
I miss his clean look
Eat your heart out .....
Speaking as a bald gentleman, one in my position learns to admire good hair. Throw no shade on good hair, please.
Hair helmet