Tesla's Quest for Better Batteries

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  • @RealEngineering
    @RealEngineering  5 ปีที่แล้ว +710

    Because of the length of this video the edit came down to the last minute, and we never got to upload it early for Patreon users. Usually Patreon people get at least 1 day early access. $5+ Patreons get 1-2 week early access to scripts. www.patreon.com/realengineering

    • @nathanracher2911
      @nathanracher2911 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Are we going get a video about ultra capacitors?

    • @RealEngineering
      @RealEngineering  5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@nathanracher2911 This video is about ultracapacitors.....

    • @FactsInto
      @FactsInto 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      make a video about foldable phones

    • @nathanracher2911
      @nathanracher2911 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Never mind then.

    • @RealEngineering
      @RealEngineering  5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@nathanracher2911 My titles tend to not be too SEO friendly to be fair!

  • @hyric8927
    @hyric8927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1813

    Another plus with Maxwell's dry-coated battery technology is that they don't need Cobalt.

    • @wawagabriel
      @wawagabriel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +118

      Thanks for your insightful comment ! That can have really big implications on geo-politics and environmental impact.

    • @RealEngineering
      @RealEngineering  5 ปีที่แล้ว +364

      Didn't know that, and I spent a week researching this video. That's a big deal. Lithium is relatively easy to get compared to cobalt

    • @ImmoSci
      @ImmoSci 5 ปีที่แล้ว +105

      @Sandcastle • Well, it becomes an irrelevant argument if the batteries don't need any Cobalt!

    • @hyric8927
      @hyric8927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +89

      @@RealEngineering The most authentic source I could find is Maxwell Technology's 21st Annual Needham Growth Conference. There is a brief description of their technology as: "No Solvents, Next Gen Materials, Cobalt-Free, Solid State".

    • @ImmoSci
      @ImmoSci 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@RealEngineering And not to forget that lithium is a minority component of Li-Ion batteries. There's 63kg of Lithium in a Tesla 70kWh battery pack (weighing 543kg in total).

  • @Banzay20
    @Banzay20 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Took me a while to understand anode and cathode definition and there is a lot of confusion out there due to different applications, but just remember:
    Anode= electrons leaving (i.e conventional current enter) ( on the external circuit)
    Cathode= electrons enter (i.e conventinal current leaving) ( on the external circuit)
    this means in a rechargable battery the anode and cathode change place under load and charging. In electronics you have diodes with fixed anode and cathode and the definition of anode and cathode are true in the forward biased direction.
    Thanks for the video, great work!

  • @Roxor128
    @Roxor128 5 ปีที่แล้ว +511

    Finally! Someone who gets the use of supercapacitors right! The number of videos that get it wrong is appalling.

    • @andytaylor1588
      @andytaylor1588 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Every once in awhile, I have to remind myself that no matter how polished and well presented the information is; it is sometimes wrong completely, and often wrong in part.

    • @guraknugen
      @guraknugen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or maybe they're just looking deeper into the future?

    • @SergePavlovsky
      @SergePavlovsky 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      he isn't right either, since tesla never said it'll use ultracapacitors in vehicles

    • @dewiz9596
      @dewiz9596 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Serge Pavlovsky : I believe Elon has alluded to the use of Ultra Capacitors for acceleration and regeneration, where supercapacitors can handle the short-term high energy density requirements. I’ll stand to be corrected, since my 75-year old memory “ain’t what it used to be” 😀

    • @SergePavlovsky
      @SergePavlovsky 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dewiz9596 batteries have no issues handling short-term, they are throttled long-term

  • @opensourceguy730
    @opensourceguy730 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great explanation of how batteries perform in cold weather environments. My 2016 Chevy Volt loses about 30-40% of its charging performance during the winter months. Fortunately, the Volt can use gasoline when it’s needed. The Volt’s design has helped me to save more than $1000 a year in annual fuel costs.

  • @vodkainglassofstalinium1221
    @vodkainglassofstalinium1221 5 ปีที่แล้ว +299

    Real Engineering.....
    I am more than awed by your great videos.
    I am one of your oldest subscribers and I have noticed one thing ...you make BETTER AND BETTER pieces of art and devotion each time you upload...they aren't just videos they are an entire book about passion , about real Engineering feats
    MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU

    • @orvvro
      @orvvro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, which force tho?

    • @vodkainglassofstalinium1221
      @vodkainglassofstalinium1221 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@orvvro newton's force

    • @bestlty
      @bestlty 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i think it's because brilliant.org is a great product

    • @benheinz8817
      @benheinz8817 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I subbed around 200k, I think. I've watched this improvement over time; great work, RE.

    • @CirkusBolgen
      @CirkusBolgen 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I disagree with regard to the visualisations of things.
      I'm not talking about quality of animation, but about what's shown, while the script is read. In this video: pretty footage of cars, while he talked about things happening on the molecular level. What?
      I've hoped that both Real Engineering and Wendover Productions would get better at this since pretty much the beginning of their channels, but haven't found it to be the case. Comparison of amounts for example, would massively benefit from improvement. "Mice weigh this much, and cows weigh X times more!" - Show. Don't tell. Show 2 boxes, where one is X times as large as the other.

  • @duchmol007
    @duchmol007 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is a REALLY good video: I've been reading articles & watching videos on battery and energy storage, and you did a great job at getting into the details!

  • @fish9468
    @fish9468 5 ปีที่แล้ว +264

    Oh my god the education industry on TH-cam is getting so exciting, EVERYONE is calling everyone else out! "corporate owned channels"

    • @DiscoFang
      @DiscoFang 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Monetized "experts"

    • @kimokla3874
      @kimokla3874 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      hmmm not really all
      there are INDEPENDENTS

    • @capo_di_capi
      @capo_di_capi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's true, Look at all these short form 15 minute videos, 5 of those minutes are allocated for their sponsors, who all tell you "The first 200 to sign up...." I call them long form commercials.

    • @a_human8489
      @a_human8489 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nico Capannelli if it wasn’t medium sized sponsors with no stake in the videos topic then its better than being owned by the big corporations who control swaths of the industry and profit from misinformation. That or he’d have to put mid-roll adds all over the place and increase video production which would lower quality and he’d have less free time. Ultimately it’s the better of 3 evils

    • @shashwatkaushish2674
      @shashwatkaushish2674 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kimokla3874 imumm

  • @LiveEnjoyment
    @LiveEnjoyment 5 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    As an electrical engineer, i think you made a great, correct and very well explained video on this topic. Well done, keep up the good work

    • @michaelbuckers
      @michaelbuckers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm not an electrical engineer and I spotted at least 3 errors related to electrical topics.

    • @rscott2247
      @rscott2247 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Watching this video again made me realize there's gonna be fierce competition with who has best EV battery with all factors involved. I think this will be especially paramount with the new taxi eVTOL's coming out with companies like Joby, Archer Aviation & Lilium to name a few.

  • @anatoleh1
    @anatoleh1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Wow! I didn't expect such an in-depth video. You did an amazing job there!

  • @MrEpicPwnage1
    @MrEpicPwnage1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amazing, loved the video. Clearly explained, good visuals, great audio/voice acting. It's important bc most of the visuals, though interesting, aren't the main focus. The main focus is the audio.
    Very well done, can only imagine the countless hours taken to produce this. Legally obligated to give you a like at this point

  • @HolyHubcap
    @HolyHubcap 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am seriously addicted to your videos. Every video is well thought out, critical of the arguments involved with the topic, and has a clear conclusion like a well written paper. Seriously awesome job. This is some of the best content out there.

  • @ReaperUnreal
    @ReaperUnreal 5 ปีที่แล้ว +321

    I think there's a typo in the cathode material. It says LiNiCoAiO2 but I think it should be LiNiCoAlO2. Aluminum instead of uhh.... something?
    That said, this is a fantastic video.

    • @heronimousbrapson863
      @heronimousbrapson863 5 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      Of course! No wonder mine doesn't work!

    • @benheinz8817
      @benheinz8817 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      We should start a petition to change Aluminum's symbol from Al to Ai so that we can say RE didn't make a mistake.

    • @DiThi
      @DiThi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Adobe Illustrator oxyde

    • @Wearepricester
      @Wearepricester 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I dont know why it bothers me so much but I couldn't listen to the video the whole time it was on screen! LoL

    • @raspibox6598
      @raspibox6598 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      In the same scene, the anode and cathode are labelled with the incorrect polarities as well; I think they must have been a little tired when animating that segment!

  • @AdamsAppleseed
    @AdamsAppleseed 5 ปีที่แล้ว +522

    Yeet happy to see an informative vid about the batteries in these monsters!

    • @James-le8gd
      @James-le8gd 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not as good as Elon Musk hosting meme review

    • @coffeehawk
      @coffeehawk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But, they are Panasonic batteries. Panasonic makes them (final assembly only) in the Tesla gigafactory, Tesla just provides some of your tax money to help fund them. BTW, have you ever seen or heard Tesla or Musk say how much better these cars are for the environment? Isn't the main selling point? It must be tough to calculate, especially since gasoline cars are 99% cleaner than when at their worst in the 60's (you can look that up too, not a secret).

    • @sandergjertsenstvold1051
      @sandergjertsenstvold1051 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are cars

    • @G.Giorgio
      @G.Giorgio 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@coffeehawk electric cars are everything included already cleaner than gasoline cars. What is more important that they are an advancment towards a green future; somthing that would be not possible with gasoline cars

    • @coffeehawk
      @coffeehawk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@G.Giorgio But they're not cleaner anymore, that's the point. Deep down you know that because you have NEVER read or heard Tesla or Musk say how clean they are, and isn't that the main selling point for them as you yourself just said? Not a troll, try to find it. All the money and energy spent on new factories, etc. should have gone to C02 removal and planting trees, if you believe that human made C02 is an issue. You want to be nice to the earth, buy a USED VW diesel. 50 mpg highway (double the national average).

  • @w41g87
    @w41g87 4 ปีที่แล้ว +286

    So supercapacitors are just RAM sticks in an EV

    • @kerbodynamicx472
      @kerbodynamicx472 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Umm, sounds great for my railgun project

    • @dp1500
      @dp1500 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      No. They are like caches. Batteries are like RAM sticks.

    • @FPVREVIEWS
      @FPVREVIEWS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ram sticks in an EV are like supercapacitors

    • @ToddHowar.d
      @ToddHowar.d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      meon email to be specific, they couldn’t be either cache nor RAM, as both immediately lose information when powered off, they can’t store anything. The best comparison I can think of is the batteries are SSDs and supercapitors are Optane memory

    • @jgvandenhoorn3888
      @jgvandenhoorn3888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So does that mean supercapacitors are just springs?

  • @Gabriel-nd5rp
    @Gabriel-nd5rp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It's only a matter of time before I'll join your patron just to repay you for all this knowledge.
    Thanks for a truly fantastic channel of inspiration and fascination!

  • @doubleyousee72
    @doubleyousee72 5 ปีที่แล้ว +200

    This is actually super interesting and it's crazy how many factors actually affect batteries lol

    • @paladro
      @paladro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      lotta variables out there, once you start looking.

    • @gewizz2
      @gewizz2 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      its cooled battery chemistry innnit

    • @TheBasti05
      @TheBasti05 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since you find this interesting: All of those factors don't only affect a cars battery, but the batteries in all your mobile devices as well (obviously). Thinking about how you use/charge those batteries in your daily life can make their lifes longer, e.g. letting you use your laptop/smartphone longer with a healthy batterie. The Tesla does this by itself, but your phone only does it limited.

  • @andyspark5192
    @andyspark5192 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    This video is a *must watch* for every EV buyer.
    Well done. I'm glad you talked about Maxwell.
    I just read about them and Tesla two weeks ago.

    • @RandomTheories
      @RandomTheories 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      True, but it has its downsides to have these informations.
      -after the model 3 was announced, I waited to go past the first production models (usually problematic early production)
      -then they announced AP3 hardware, waiting for it again
      -and now I want to wait for how they implement Maxwell tech into their cars
      ..it seems that I will never buy this car :D

    • @andyspark5192
      @andyspark5192 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RandomTheories
      also they became cheaper recently, because of switching to online sell only

  • @luck5380
    @luck5380 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for giving us all the Informations! Learning everyday.

  • @barrymaccallum1656
    @barrymaccallum1656 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm sure it's been said before, but your segues to you ads are amazingly seamless. Bravo. It takes like 5-10 sec before I even known you're pushing the ad. Honestly, great work.

  • @sharkypanda414
    @sharkypanda414 5 ปีที่แล้ว +575

    I find it very admirable that Elon puts up the patents of these vehicles up for use without having to purchase a license, all for the purpose of making transportation greener, even if that means they receive more competition.

    • @RealEngineering
      @RealEngineering  5 ปีที่แล้ว +262

      Yeaaaaaaah, about that. The clauses for companies to use them make it basically unusable by any of their actual competitors. Still an admirable move, but not near as altruistic as it may seem

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Real Engineering Are you referring to the part which essentially requires them to do the same thing with their EV patents?

    • @sharkypanda414
      @sharkypanda414 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Real Engineering oh, my bad then

    • @adamkimmV
      @adamkimmV 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Not to mention patents have to be incredibly specific. To the point where most patents are useless, make a single tiny change and the patent no longer applies.

    • @juster2432
      @juster2432 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks for showing how clueless this person is

  • @owethu1553
    @owethu1553 5 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    Best channel on TH-cam. So informative

  • @DC9848
    @DC9848 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Just WOW, what a video, the quality, content and level of knowledge

  • @DonPtashne
    @DonPtashne 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, great video! I learned more in 17 minutes of watching this video than I could have imagined. So focused and to the point. Great job! Subscribed.

  • @zorgocreates
    @zorgocreates 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the way you explain things so effortlessly. Wish my teachers were like you!

  • @heronimousbrapson863
    @heronimousbrapson863 5 ปีที่แล้ว +367

    I'm waiting for the perfection of rubber band technology.

    • @scienceman57
      @scienceman57 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Thank you Tubmaster 5000, very cool

    • @christalbot210
      @christalbot210 5 ปีที่แล้ว +89

      Don't you think that's stretching things a bit? :-)

    • @Cello69.
      @Cello69. 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Tubmaster, don’t get caught in the loop. We must band together and be flexible and pull the trigger sooner than later.

    • @brinjoness3386
      @brinjoness3386 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I power my car with hampster wheels. It does give off methane but it only costs a piece of bread each day. And they do die if you don't water them.

    • @neinherman9989
      @neinherman9989 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Heard of the book "the windup girl?" Algae based rubber band tech is the future 😜

  • @borgqueenx
    @borgqueenx 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is probaly the most interesting and honest video about batteries i have seen. Not only about tesla, its a great video to watch in general about current batteries and the quest to improve. thanks alot you earned a subscriber.

  • @joefisher3950
    @joefisher3950 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    These videos are amazing! I have watched to completion every one of the on this channel and liked them. I have commented to most of them. All in the name of the TH-cam algorithm to keep them coming.

  • @MickDownUnder
    @MickDownUnder 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love the footage @ 1:33 of the Otways in Victoria AU

  • @semirsisic3705
    @semirsisic3705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Nikola Tesla was spot on when he said "The present is theirs, but the Future, which I worked for, is mine."

  • @byaafacehead
    @byaafacehead 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! I love that when you get down to the details, the mechanical details of individual atoms are what determine how a battery performs. Its easy to think 'electricity' and think its just magic and electrons- instead of the very real diffusion and flow of ions (atoms) which have mass and volume!

    • @byaafacehead
      @byaafacehead 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then also I like the dive into the engineering side of things. I can only speculate at Nissan's engineering development and testing program, but the fact they did not test over a range of temperatures is a fairly understandable mistake that seems incredibly obvious in hindsight. Its even possible individuals in the organization suspected temperature might have some impact, but the organization as a whole was not capable of foreseeing this or committing the necessary resources. Try setting up a test lab, then have some one tell you need to move all the equipment into a climate controlled chamber (which may or may not exist or be available to the group), while working under your typical deadlines and resource constraints. Something tells me the EV group would not have top priority at company primarily dedicated to ICE vehicles, unlike Tesla, whose entire product line is EV. However like I said, this is speculation at most, who knows what how the actual story went..

  • @stanbinary
    @stanbinary 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very insightful thanks for the depth and logical layout of the content

  • @chenjoseph735
    @chenjoseph735 5 ปีที่แล้ว +307

    So basically, the Maxwell ultra capacitor is like Glycogen while normal battery is like carbs

    • @benheinz8817
      @benheinz8817 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Sorta, yeah.

    • @thomas.02
      @thomas.02 5 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      don't you just love how concepts converge in otherwise totally unrelated fields

    • @kinghassy334
      @kinghassy334 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yea quick energy vs stored

    • @OmarBKar-sw1ij
      @OmarBKar-sw1ij 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      thanks now i understand it better!

    • @aeons200
      @aeons200 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      thanks, that really helps me understand this

  • @floridakoi
    @floridakoi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +487

    15:18
    Tesla: "We're working to save the environment"
    Car: *randomly drives through plants*

    • @gitbint
      @gitbint 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Good catch,
      Extremely bad driving, Lol

    • @Hoch134
      @Hoch134 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I laughed at that as well. You are working on a public ad but you don't manage do get around a corner...

    • @gewizz2
      @gewizz2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      i guess it was the autopilot driving lol

    • @zegaskmask5659
      @zegaskmask5659 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The war has just begun

    • @NNick476
      @NNick476 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Came to point this out as well. well done.

  • @TauAspire
    @TauAspire 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well researched, Mr. Rathbun and Mr. Higgins! Thank you for that enlightenment!

  • @sl2329
    @sl2329 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for such beautifully-edited videos and well-researched discussions!

  • @RiggingDoctor
    @RiggingDoctor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We are an ocean crossing electric sailboat with AGM batteries. We have been sailing this setup for 4 years and are now looking to replace/upgrade to Lithium.
    The price of these batteries has come down incredibly in these years.

    • @davidmayhall6567
      @davidmayhall6567 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Use the saltwater to propel your ⛵ boat by building a saltwater battrey you have a endless supply of saltwater with ions to use just think about it man!

  • @vasiqshair
    @vasiqshair 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Your videos are next level man. keep it up!

  • @marksmovies6191
    @marksmovies6191 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well Done! Great accurate info, great graphics, good use of time due to good planning of the video.

  • @RanjithSethu_findmehere
    @RanjithSethu_findmehere 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your channel is awesome, that whole thermal management part, I found many other famous EV channels are not discussing

  • @SetTheCurve
    @SetTheCurve 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If only brilliant was all I needed. I see a world full of people doing amazing things, but can't see any way I could ever be a part of it.

  • @TheSmeagol630
    @TheSmeagol630 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    3:54 they're right in the graphic, but I think you might have reversed which part of the battery has which charge in the voice over...

  • @fredgarvinMP
    @fredgarvinMP 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:49 So much for ever trying to fix your own car in the near future!
    Love the videos, keep up the great work!

    • @richardgoode4761
      @richardgoode4761 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tech to mechanic in future in able in home to be as maintain.

  • @davidfenwick987
    @davidfenwick987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Without a doubt the most intelligent and informed Tesla video I have ever seen. Wow. Thank you.

  • @saturn724
    @saturn724 5 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    capacitor is the N2O of electric vehicles.. future drag racing will be all about capacitors lol

    • @JoelHernandez-tz3vk
      @JoelHernandez-tz3vk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      LMAO I imagine it's even better here since the ultracapacitor energy can be slowly renewed by the batteries themselves, so you could probably boost after reaching any straight (on a non drag race that is). Like having a finite but self rechargable reserve of N2O taking from the fuel tank somehow.

    • @alexportiiii6414
      @alexportiiii6414 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      What day race fans, Saturday! Fire breathing capacitors thundering down the track! Saturday! Saturday! Saturday!

    • @hydrochloricacid2146
      @hydrochloricacid2146 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Drag racers using lead-acid batteries might be a good solution

    • @devilsoffspring5519
      @devilsoffspring5519 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Capacitors could be great for drag racing. You're only going a quarter mile, so energy density isn't important.
      If you actually want to drive your vehicle anywhere, they won't store anywhere near enough energy for their size and weight.
      That's why Tesla (and others) use lithium ion batteries exclusively. I shouldn't have to say this, but the people doing this are not stupid.

    • @revolver265
      @revolver265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bobby1970 I'm not going to be the one complaining about fuel shortages. As much as I love classic muscle cars, if you haven't at least done an engine swap, you're just wasting fuel in a subpar piece of steel to produce sad amounts of horsepower. If you've got a block smaller than 350cu, my Volvo can beat your ass through a combination of better aero and 5-cylinder power. Embrace the future, kiddo. Convert to electric, and your motors will have so much more torque in them.

  • @jamesmnguyen
    @jamesmnguyen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    16:48: Real Engineering.exe is not responding

    • @aaronseet2738
      @aaronseet2738 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Still running, but lost the vocal audio channel.

  • @MrShonky01
    @MrShonky01 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So happy you have Tash Sultana on the screen , amazing little Aussie performer !

  • @NaokiWatanabe
    @NaokiWatanabe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well researched, well presented, and accurate: Subscribed.

  • @awesomemann6256
    @awesomemann6256 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I thought I knew everything about car batteries until I watched this documentary, well done!

    • @gewizz2
      @gewizz2 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      yo dont know jack shit about batteries

  • @xAlcoholicGamer
    @xAlcoholicGamer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm a sales engineer for a battery company. We sell high discharge engine start batteries. We used to offer these maxwell capacitors in conjunction with our batteries. Due to mainly their high cost and partially their niche application on the market, we just discontinued offering these.

    • @miguellopez3392
      @miguellopez3392 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      tesla is using maxwell dry cell technology, these are more advance then what you offered.

  • @staninjapan07
    @staninjapan07 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What great video for people like me who are not technically qualiied in electrics/electronics.
    Comprehensive yet concise and relevant.
    Not a single minute wasted on 'fillers.'
    I was a bit taken aback at the end where you mentioned Brilliant, which I think you said is a subscrition based site. For a moment I thought that was a little contradictory. You mentioned some sites being 'corporate', but then suggested that we visit Brilliant. I am *not* implying anything by this. It is merely an observation.
    Thank you for a very informative video.
    Liked. Subscribed.

  • @exact1044
    @exact1044 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Simply THE BEST engineering and scientific posts on TH-cam

  • @adamblomberg
    @adamblomberg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    3:58 The animation is showing Cathode and Anode charges switched from the correct charge. Should be Positive Anode, Negative Cathode.

    • @zeeshan2631994
      @zeeshan2631994 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes I think it's correctly written but he said it in a reverse manner

    • @youssefboueri213
      @youssefboueri213 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Cathode is Positive
      The Anode is Negative
      Forgive my fellow engineer for his negligible mistake.

    • @adde6789
      @adde6789 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No it is written correctly but said wrong. Oxidation (electrons leaving) is always at the anode which is negative in voltaic cells.
      citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.531.5596&rep=rep1&type=pdf. Page 5 has an excellent diagram.

  • @HIFLY01
    @HIFLY01 5 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    I like how you just called out seeker. Their channel has been subpar and is becoming click bait

    • @danstevens64
      @danstevens64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't forget to hit that like button.

    • @NimbleBard48
      @NimbleBard48 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@danstevens64 And click subscribe.

  • @harryghag9308
    @harryghag9308 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Verry well explained
    This will be revolutionary
    Thanks for the gud work

  • @visantibanez
    @visantibanez 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks a lot for the references! Now I can learn more about batteries

  • @maciekbroken58
    @maciekbroken58 5 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    @Real Engineering 3:56 You have the plus and minus symbols switched

    • @SylasTheGreat
      @SylasTheGreat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Glad I wasn't the only one to notice

    • @ultraplayer3214
      @ultraplayer3214 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I think in an electrolytic cell the anode is actually positive while the cathode is negative

    • @simonkuecher
      @simonkuecher 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @MaciekBroken If you want to be entirely correct the negative electrode is the anode when discharging since a oxidation takes place there (Li->Li+ + e-). When charging the negative electrode is the cathode since a reduction takes place there (Li+ + e- -> Li). For the pos. electrode it's the other way around. But usually the neg. electrode (graphite) is referred as the anode and pos. as cathode (metal oxide) since it's in discharging direction.

    • @DavidMcCoul
      @DavidMcCoul 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In one definition, yes. But I think he said it wrong as the cathode is usually positive.

    • @uj1xt5m98ap
      @uj1xt5m98ap 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly! The anode is the positive part of the cell. Very basic error, if you ask me..

  • @maximilianholland
    @maximilianholland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Great video - please credit my battery cost curves in your description. Cheers

    • @RealEngineering
      @RealEngineering  5 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      Hey, just added it to the list of references. Not sure why that link wasn't already in there! We normally have onscreen reference numbers too, but they got left out in the rush to meet our deadline. Thanks for the great work! Some of the best tech writing on the web.

    • @maximilianholland
      @maximilianholland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Cheers - and keep up the great work with this channel. Solid fact-based perspectives are valuable and will ultimately separate the wheat from the chaff. More power to you.

    • @fuckoffgoogle8199
      @fuckoffgoogle8199 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@maximilianholland Nobody does anything without making sure they get some internet karma these days huh...

    • @zak7181
      @zak7181 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      @@fuckoffgoogle8199 -- crediting people's work isn't about internet karma, it's about citing sources so you can verify facts, and it's about people's work being recognized which helps their career & future employment / $.

    • @paladro
      @paladro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@fuckoffgoogle8199 did you read their back and forth, cordial, unlike yourself, who isn't even in the loop.

  • @rolandotillit2867
    @rolandotillit2867 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, it explains a lot of things that everyone should know about batteries.

  • @curtheisler1200
    @curtheisler1200 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    @1:35 - Tash Sultana - Didn't think to see her name in this! Decent chillaxing tune for sure

  • @WernervanZyl
    @WernervanZyl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How does this guy know all this stuff? Brilliant. Just brilliant.

  • @AdhikJoshi
    @AdhikJoshi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    i was waiting for skillshare ad.. but got brilliant

  • @jabulaniharvey
    @jabulaniharvey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great article...love the merch....wish i could buy it out here in Zimbabwe

  • @shamimgaming7189
    @shamimgaming7189 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for presentation

  • @ninjaslash52_98
    @ninjaslash52_98 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    *whispers in graphene*
    _remember the graphene hype_

  • @Marius6897
    @Marius6897 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ultra capacitors are wearing down on charge/discharge, just not so fast. They have lifetime of about 10 years and about 0.5m cycles. Info taken from Maxwell site.

  • @PersonManManManMan
    @PersonManManManMan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome quality video, very good research and enticing to watch

  • @humanbeing2009
    @humanbeing2009 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent presentation and explanation on the state of Lithium battery technology for EV's. Thanks. Really hopeful for what Maxwell Technologies will bring to it all. Dry cells with capacitors will be the way to go.

  • @billsbuck911
    @billsbuck911 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The shade thrown at Seeker 😂

  • @kerbodynamicx472
    @kerbodynamicx472 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Let’s try a combination of fusion reactor+super capacitors for more expensive cars, it have more longevity than the owner!

  • @saskiavanhoutert3190
    @saskiavanhoutert3190 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good initiative for good engineering, thanks for showing and kind regards

  • @rich1383yt
    @rich1383yt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great explanation - thank you for this video!

  • @emrefifty5281
    @emrefifty5281 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can you make a video about the a380 going out of production because of low demand? how its too late to the market etc

    • @PrograError
      @PrograError 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      that's a Wendover Production video

  • @azeemmufaris4426
    @azeemmufaris4426 5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    4:04 there is a mistake in the charge signs of the anode and cathode.

    • @JakStat
      @JakStat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thanks, i was questioning myself.

    • @samovarmaker9673
      @samovarmaker9673 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What do you mean? Cathode is the positive electrode and anode is the negative one (cations are positive ions and anions are negative).

    • @azeemmufaris4426
      @azeemmufaris4426 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@samovarmaker9673 anions move to the anode ( chlorine ions to anode ) and cations move to cathode ( sodium ions to cathode ).

    • @Arctis34
      @Arctis34 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@samovarmaker9673 isnt it the opposite way

    • @SystemDisc
      @SystemDisc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Negative and positive, unfortunately, have the complete opposite meanings in the context of chemistry than they do in the context of electricity. See here: www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-1/conventional-versus-electron-flow/

  • @Johnlanzer
    @Johnlanzer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved the "corporate owned tech channels" and immediately highlighted Seeker bit.
    That is quite a move there. Mixing the steady flow of Tesla batteries and the surgees to be handled by the Maxwell ultracapacitors. Very good.

  • @tomgfs0
    @tomgfs0 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are an example for everyone who wants to be an youtuber. Each video is better than the previous one!

  • @vijayvjn6874
    @vijayvjn6874 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    diagram of the cell shows cathode as positive and anode as Negative which obviously is reverse , shouldn't have made past the final edit might confuse someone the audio description is correct though

  • @anthonyc417
    @anthonyc417 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Solvents can be captured and reused though. CO2 extraction uses this method.

    • @rationalmartian
      @rationalmartian 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I was surprised the solvents were not being at least partially recaptured.

    • @jairo8746
      @jairo8746 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Sometimes recapturing can be more expensive than just buying more solvent.

    • @Marcelcas
      @Marcelcas 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Probably there is solvent degradation due to high temperatures used to extract them from electrode.

    • @apacheglider
      @apacheglider 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think he meant that its getting captured but only with regard to environmental issue, but that quantities/benefits retrieved aren't enough to be exploited in a economic sense, don't u think ?

    • @zayk6713
      @zayk6713 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Recapturing is very energy intensive

  • @hyperdrivee7922
    @hyperdrivee7922 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking forward to the update of this video. So much is changing and coming to production. Maybe after clarifications from Battery Day? 🤞🏼
    Hope we can continue this education together.

  • @junuhunuproductions
    @junuhunuproductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Information Delivery. I really loved it.

  • @kitten_processing_inc4415
    @kitten_processing_inc4415 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Great video but you merged some of the cell ageing mechanisms. You covered the growth of the SEI pretty well, but you didn't cover the issue of the electrolyte digesting itself with side reactions, which is worst at high temperatures and/or high voltages. This, if i recall, is what killed the Leaf.
    Basically SEI issues increase with the number, depth and rate of cycles (high and low temperatures also play a part).
    By contrast, parasitic reactions within the electrolyte and between the electrolyte and other components don't need ANY cycles. Just hold a lithium battery at the top of its charge curve and keep it warm and it will electrochemically destroy itself even without you cycling it.
    Again, this is where they went wrong in testing the first Leaf batteries. They thought cycle number was the main aging factor when it was actually just cumulative time spent above half charge that was really killing their batteries. If you test cycle a battery 500 times in a month it spends only 2 weeks above half charge and the test results look splendid. (I refer to half charge for simplicity's sake, but the capacity loss/voltage/temperature curves are obviously on some kind of exponential function that gets way worse at the extreme. You would expect electrochemical engineers to know about this from first principles but somehow it must be less predictable than one would think).
    You emphasise the clogging of the SEI, to which both of the above contribute. It is true that car batteries are usually retired because internal resistance prevents the car delivering power fast enough, and the main effect of a clogged SEI is increased internal resistance leading to reduced power density. However, I believe total capacity decrease is also a big factor in the decision to retire a car battery. Capacity decreases because lithium gets irreversibly tied up in side reactions, as well as in the reactions that build up the SEI.

    • @wakkythug
      @wakkythug 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Paragraphs

  • @CessnaPilot99
    @CessnaPilot99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Great video. One mistake you made is that you said Tesla now owns Maxwell technologies. They made an offer that was accepted, the Maxwell *shareholders* has to approve the sale. So it's not quite so close to being done but will likely go through
    Edit: there's currently litigation ongoing from some of the shareholders to prevent the sale that may or may not go anywhere.

    • @peter.g6
      @peter.g6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Are you sure? I don't understand the merger process, but I thought the board has already approved that, judging from:
      _The Merger Agreement and the consummation of the Offer, merger and other transactions contemplated in the Merger Agreement have been unanimously approved by Maxwell's board of directors, all of whom recommend to the Company's stockholders that they accept the Offer and tender their Maxwell shares pursuant to the Offer._
      Source: investors.maxwell.com/investors/news-and-events/press-releases/press-release-details/2019/Maxwell-Technologies-Announces-Definitive-Merger-Agreement-with-Tesla-Inc/default.aspx

    • @charlech
      @charlech 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dumbass. It's the regulators that have to approve. The board already did before the announcement.

    • @CessnaPilot99
      @CessnaPilot99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Jan van Coppenhagen thank you for the correction, I've edited the post to reflect the shareholder lawsuit

    • @RasheedKhan-he6xx
      @RasheedKhan-he6xx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@charlech Hilarious that you are both rude and incorrect. What an ass.

    • @RasheedKhan-he6xx
      @RasheedKhan-he6xx 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      For anyone interested in the Mergers & Acquisition process, the Board of company A decides its in their company's best interests to merge with or acquire company B. They do their due diligence, scouring publicly available information about the other company and crunching numbers to see if their hunch holds up. If it does and its not a hostile take-over they send their offer to the Board of company B. They are duty-bound to study it. Why? Because they are legally bound to act in the best interests of their company's stakeholders and especially their shareholders. So the company could be doing great, just like you could be really happy with your house, but if someone offers you 10X its market price you have to consider it, talk to your partner, think about your kids. Company B's Board has to study the offer and then tell its shareholders about it along with their recommendation to accept or decline. Let's say the shareholders accept, both boards still have a little more work to do. Now they agree to share more data with each other, things that may not have been in the public domain and they confirm the deal is still good and there are no nasty surprises. When everyone is on board, this is when it goes to regulators who's job it is to consider the public interest. Either they give their blessings, suggest amendments or deny permission.

  • @kardy12
    @kardy12 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, a very interesting look into battery tech and how it’s becoming more and more important
    Edit:
    Though one nitpick point in 8:23 is that it’s not the impact of temperature on the batteries that causes lower winter range in EVs as they typically have active temperature management systems (excepting the LEAF of course). The primary reason is the same that causes higher fuel consumption in fossil fuel cars, I.e that the energy demands are higher (e.g. higher roll resistance from slush and snow, denser air increasing wind resistance at higher speeds, heating the inside of the car requires energy and so on and so forth).

  • @UsherLinder
    @UsherLinder 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice update on the topic and you are superb spokesman for brilliant!

  • @Rayard91
    @Rayard91 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    i'm a PhD student of this topic. Fantastic video that's to say. Good job!

    • @gewizz2
      @gewizz2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      phd my ass

    • @DiscoFang
      @DiscoFang 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So as a PhD did you not notice how the narrator gets the battery annode and cathode + & - backwards? Rookie error.

    • @Rayard91
      @Rayard91 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@DiscoFang of course I have noticed but state the overall quality of the video was the main object of my comment

    • @Rayard91
      @Rayard91 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gewizz2 sorry?

    • @DiscoFang
      @DiscoFang 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rayard91 The video has quite a few distortions to suit their storyline. The graph scale & extrapolation is a classic technique. A significant one, that isn't on the technical side though, is that the Maxell sale hasn't actually been approved. Tesla doesn't own them.

  • @JRPGGUY
    @JRPGGUY 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Hopefully they make faster charging, higher capacity batteries

    • @Ubernator
      @Ubernator 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yeah, tha'ts the whole point of getting better batteries, Captian Obvious

    • @GThenameisleo
      @GThenameisleo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      JRPG Guy 2 Their plan was to actually make slower charging, lower capacity batteries

    • @marc_frank
      @marc_frank 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GThenameisleo lol

    • @matiasvalor01
      @matiasvalor01 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks to nano tecnology capacitors they will

    • @010falcon
      @010falcon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      JRPG Guy 2 there is
      Check out the tesla youtube channel
      You will see their new charging speed

  • @QuantumAlchemyst
    @QuantumAlchemyst 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! Very good video and well explained. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻😄

  • @alasdairblack393
    @alasdairblack393 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Capacitors in conjunction with battery cells creates so many advantages. Excellent video, facts debunk detractors FUD.

  • @Tristan-
    @Tristan- 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:29 Imagine going to the ikea and sudenly a kid starts shoting with a pistol

  • @jamesmnguyen
    @jamesmnguyen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Li-Ion Batteries: Hard Drive
    Ultra Capacitors: Solid State Disk
    (Yes I know SSDs degrade like Li-Ion)

    • @piyh3962
      @piyh3962 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Li-Ion Batteries: Hard Drive
      Ultra Capacitors: RAM

    • @jimhofoss9982
      @jimhofoss9982 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      James Nguyen degradation of supercaps extremely low.....million cycles with supercaps, as opposed to a few thousands with lithium. They will help extend the life of the lithium batteries, giving them an easier life, less strain.

    • @Flimzes
      @Flimzes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually, looking at the underlying technology, Ram is pretty much just a grid of capacitors, where nand flash is a chemical reaction very similar to a battery, this comparison makes much more sense.
      SSD = chemical batteries
      RAM = capacitors

  • @i1pro
    @i1pro 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well explained. Thank you!!

  • @dakota4766
    @dakota4766 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative. Subscribed

  • @solsist__3291
    @solsist__3291 5 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    I didn’t understand a single part of this video, but I do know Tesla makes S3XY cars

    • @scottywills124
      @scottywills124 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah I donno the part about the Solvent vs Dry Coating was understandable. Burning off solvent is toxic for the environment. A Dry coat eliminates all that and gives better performance however that works. The next model Y will probably have that technology.

  • @KBSINN
    @KBSINN 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Give battery a 100 years it will evolve beyond recognition.

    • @duketlam9206
      @duketlam9206 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We will have dilithium crystal and wrap drive!!! The future is much brighter. Hopefully we'll have synthesizer or replicator. Money are useless, disease eradicated, war are gone. Just like star trek.

    • @KBSINN
      @KBSINN 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@duketlam9206 what's your I.q

    • @rogerstarkey5390
      @rogerstarkey5390 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@duketlam9206
      "Wrap drive"
      Great at lunch time!

    • @hr1100
      @hr1100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Batteries have been around for much longer.

    • @KBSINN
      @KBSINN 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hr1100 but never worked upon like the way we are working on them now a days.

  • @chevtruck1000
    @chevtruck1000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We've just gone through a rather brisk week that varied between -15c to -45c here and quite a bit colder not too much farther north. I wonder how well the battery in one of those cars would have held up as it would have to run the cabin heater as well as the headlights that are needed anytime between 3:30pm and 8:00am in addition to moving the car.

  • @sirierieott5882
    @sirierieott5882 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes, yes, yes!
    This is exactly what Maxwell offers Tesla.
    The great combo of optimised charge delivery with capacitors and charge storage with optimised batteries.

  • @tommytexter4054
    @tommytexter4054 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    What we need is Arc reactor, that makes nuclear reactor like AAA battery.

    • @rupeshverma9536
      @rupeshverma9536 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Iron man could help them

    • @jackfenn7524
      @jackfenn7524 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey, just ask Iron Man, (Oh wait, he's not real, is he?)

    • @creakycracker
      @creakycracker 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jackfenn7524 Ask Elon.... :)

    • @jackfenn7524
      @jackfenn7524 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I always thought "Elon Musk" was a perfume!

    • @jj0493
      @jj0493 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah we just need to kidnap Elon and put him in a cave
      With a box of scraps

  • @Ciekawostkioporanku
    @Ciekawostkioporanku 5 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    My stollen Tesla car is now called Eddison. 🥴

  • @unusuario5173
    @unusuario5173 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That explanation was awesome in so many levels. Subscribing.

  • @omkarsawant7933
    @omkarsawant7933 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your videos are exceptional.
    Love from India.