If only I had known this back in the 1980s as a Christian! I left christianity in no small part because of hell doctrine. I found it repulsive. I did have an experience of the Love of God as a Christian and I remember absolutely knowing that the love I felt would in no way send anyone to such a place! But I was confused; the church was telling me something different. I was not strong enough at the time to risk being ostracised for heresy. So I left about 1 year later. Fast forward over 30years and I am slowly returning...
All the best brother. If you’re going to do it, you might as well do it properly and become an Orthodox Christian. The spirituality will help you find peace and the theology is the only one that holds water.
No-one can blame you for leaving if you had to carry that weight on your shoulders - the fact you left shows that you had a knowledge of the love of God and were morally outraged at the thought he would torture people forever. Maybe look back on your experience and say that it wasn't so much God that you left, but it was a wrong view of hell that caused you to leave. There will always be a warm welcome from God for anyone who wants to come back home.
In the Cambodian (Khmer) translation of the N.T., Gehenna is translated with the Buddhist word (and thus concept) for hell. It's interesting how the translators insist on using words that are not actually in the original text. Is it blind tradition? Is it laziness?
1 Corinthians 15:28 - “And, when all things have been subordinated to him, then will the Son himself also be subordinated to the one who has subordinated all things to him, so that God may be all in all.”
@@OrigenisAdamantios Yes. If something is to be taken literally in the Bible, then it is this verse. However, this verse does not mean Hades or the lake of fire is not real, it is. God's wrath is a very real thing that is mentioned in the Bible dozens of times and it will burn with flaming fire all the rebels of good, BUT... not endlessly.
@@nikokapanen82 Let us beware in ourselves, my beloved, and realize that even if Gehenna is subject to a limit, the taste of its experience is most terrible, and the extent of its bounds escapes our very understanding. Let us strive all the more to partake of the taste of God's love for the sake of perpetual reflection on Him, and let us not (have) experience of Gehenna through neglect -St Abba Isaac the Syrian
@@christophersnedeker2065 This is what I find interesting and confusing about the resurrection and the Great White Throne Judgement. Question; Are the unsaved dead still in "Hades" as described in Luke 16? We assume righteous Lazarus is now in Heaven since Jesus descended into "Abrahams Bossum" and "took a host of captives with him." The first resurrection of the dead in Christ supposidly means those saved peoples dead and buried bodies now rise to become glorified bodies that go to Heaven to be united with their souls that are already there. Later comes the 2nd resurrection The Second resurrection means the lost stand before The Great White Throne. SO, do the unsaved souls leave Hades to join their resurrected unsaved bodies only to be judged and sent to Hell? Seems like an extra and unnecessary step. But then again, who am I to say?
@@paulmelonas7263 Christ is said to have descended into hades specifically. The dead in hades get out and then are sent to either the lake of fire or the new Jerusalem. David's universalist position is that those who go to the lake of fire don't go there forever but go there until they repent and then they are let out. This isn't supported by most English versions of the bible but proponents say the word translated as eternal doesn't actually mean never ending.
@@tanner955 well that's good! But sometimes one just has to say "I probably won't use that track again" and that's okay 😅. I suppose too, that if I do eventually put out the full DBH interview after the documentary is finished (as a number of people have requested, but I have to check with Hart about it) then the people who prefer no soundtrack can enjoy listening to all he says there.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸David Bentley Hart is a heretic & doesn't even master the Hebrew as we do. None of the Church fathers & saints ever claimed absolute Universalism as Origen the pantheist heretic who said parts of Bible are allegories did, they only believed in the correct view, whereas Hades was a transitional station for the judgement of God, whereas some would be moved to heaven & some would either stay in hades (sheol), which is a subterranean space - the Earth's mantle (as taught us the holy Tertullian), which in turn leads to hell/lake of fire - the Earth's core, where only God's SELECTED souls are saved by His grace & the others forever damned (so God didn't even create "a hell", only allowed Satan, His agent for testing man, to use Earth's inner core for that purpose) Fr. Rooney is 100% correct, and as an eastern Roman Orthodox, I am so ashamed of heretics like Hart & all those modern academics, who corrupt our teachings, saying that God's will & creation are necessaries to Him & reject the concepts of mortal sin & justice. With their logic, even Hitler is saved. Yes, what a "good" just god they're believing in, those twisted wiseguys..🤦God bless Fr. Dominic for exposing their heretical deception!🙏❤️
@danielniros I you don't understand what you read, I cannot help you, this is plain language. And take of this American idol pic, it is demonic & not befitting for a Christian. God bless🙏❤️
To you, God is only anger and wrath. God's love seems to be an afterthought. You actually indicated in your post that God's will and His creations are not critical to Him. That insane. John 3:16 clearly says that God loves the world enough to send His son to die to save it. And where in Bible does it says that God's will is not important to Him? I wonder how many people who go around labelling others as heretics are in fact heretics themselves.
@@alwaysadawg6488 Keep twisting our words & our Scripture & follow cult leaders like arrogant Hart as gullible zombies with no objective reality, but mark my words, if you don't repent on that, you will meet Hart in the lake of fire & he will be tortured there more than all of you as a punishment for dragging you there. I suggest you go & watch *Dominic Morrow's* testimony, wake up & humble yourself...
@@alwaysadawg6488 And instead of twisting John 3:16 as Hart taught you to, read my other comment & get educated about what Scripture says about Sheol, and it is just the tip of the ice! Our God is not a hippie God, THAT's "insane", shame!
If only I had known this back in the 1980s as a Christian! I left christianity in no small part because of hell doctrine. I found it repulsive. I did have an experience of the Love of God as a Christian and I remember absolutely knowing that the love I felt would in no way send anyone to such a place! But I was confused; the church was telling me something different. I was not strong enough at the time to risk being ostracised for heresy. So I left about 1 year later. Fast forward over 30years and I am slowly returning...
All the best brother. If you’re going to do it, you might as well do it properly and become an Orthodox Christian. The spirituality will help you find peace and the theology is the only one that holds water.
No-one can blame you for leaving if you had to carry that weight on your shoulders - the fact you left shows that you had a knowledge of the love of God and were morally outraged at the thought he would torture people forever. Maybe look back on your experience and say that it wasn't so much God that you left, but it was a wrong view of hell that caused you to leave. There will always be a warm welcome from God for anyone who wants to come back home.
Wonderful news , remember the wicked will indeed be separated from God, it’s by their own choice. This doctrine he teaches is heresy
Yeah I’m with you bro. 13 to age 30 it’s been torturing me. Never left the church. Barely hangin on. Not quittin tho
In the Cambodian (Khmer) translation of the N.T., Gehenna is translated with the Buddhist word (and thus concept) for hell. It's interesting how the translators insist on using words that are not actually in the original text. Is it blind tradition? Is it laziness?
In addition to tradition and laziness, it is demonic deception. The twisting of God's words is a very successful tactic of the Adversary.
1 Corinthians 15:28 - “And, when all things have been subordinated to him, then will the Son himself also be subordinated to the one who has subordinated all things to him, so that God may be all in all.”
@@OrigenisAdamantios
Yes. If something is to be taken literally in the Bible, then it is this verse.
However, this verse does not mean Hades or the lake of fire is not real, it is. God's wrath is a very real thing that is mentioned in the Bible dozens of times and it will burn with flaming fire all the rebels of good, BUT... not endlessly.
@@nikokapanen82 Let us beware in ourselves, my beloved, and realize that even if Gehenna is subject to a limit, the taste of its experience is most terrible, and the extent of its bounds escapes our very understanding. Let us strive all the more to partake of the taste of God's love for the sake of perpetual reflection on Him, and let us not (have) experience of Gehenna through neglect -St Abba Isaac the Syrian
Sheol seems to signify death in the OT.
The grave is a good translation, I think.
If memory serves me the rich man and Lazarus are separated by a great chasm. The rich man was in a place of torment and Lazarus wasn't.
Bingo!
Yes but he will get out of hades at the resurrection.
@@christophersnedeker2065 This is what I find interesting and confusing about the resurrection and the Great White Throne Judgement.
Question; Are the unsaved dead still in "Hades" as described in Luke 16?
We assume righteous Lazarus is now in Heaven since Jesus descended into "Abrahams Bossum" and "took a host of captives with him."
The first resurrection of the dead in Christ supposidly means those saved peoples dead and buried bodies now rise to become glorified bodies that go to Heaven to be united with their souls that are already there.
Later comes the 2nd resurrection
The Second resurrection means the lost stand before The Great White Throne. SO, do the unsaved souls leave Hades to join their resurrected unsaved bodies only to be judged and sent to Hell?
Seems like an extra and unnecessary step.
But then again, who am I to say?
@@paulmelonas7263
Christ is said to have descended into hades specifically.
The dead in hades get out and then are sent to either the lake of fire or the new Jerusalem. David's universalist position is that those who go to the lake of fire don't go there forever but go there until they repent and then they are let out. This isn't supported by most English versions of the bible but proponents say the word translated as eternal doesn't actually mean never ending.
@@paulmelonas7263 I think the idea is the reuniting of the body with the soul.
Is this available as a transcript somewhere? Unfortunately the tone affects me badly in a sensory way.
Sorry about that. Here is an alternative link with no music: th-cam.com/video/1vKOmiRBUdU/w-d-xo.html
On point!
The background tone is giving me a headache.
Sorry about that 😬
@@LoveUnrelenting
Oh well, ya can't please everybody all of the time.
The last debate I saw you in gave me a headache.
@@LoveUnrelenting i thought it was fine!
@@tanner955 well that's good! But sometimes one just has to say "I probably won't use that track again" and that's okay 😅. I suppose too, that if I do eventually put out the full DBH interview after the documentary is finished (as a number of people have requested, but I have to check with Hart about it) then the people who prefer no soundtrack can enjoy listening to all he says there.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸David Bentley Hart is a heretic & doesn't even master the Hebrew as we do. None of the Church fathers & saints ever claimed absolute Universalism as Origen the pantheist heretic who said parts of Bible are allegories did, they only believed in the correct view, whereas Hades was a transitional station for the judgement of God, whereas some would be moved to heaven & some would either stay in hades (sheol), which is a subterranean space - the Earth's mantle (as taught us the holy Tertullian), which in turn leads to hell/lake of fire - the Earth's core, where only God's SELECTED souls are saved by His grace & the others forever damned (so God didn't even create "a hell", only allowed Satan, His agent for testing man, to use Earth's inner core for that purpose)
Fr. Rooney is 100% correct, and as an eastern Roman Orthodox, I am so ashamed of heretics like Hart & all those modern academics, who corrupt our teachings, saying that God's will & creation are necessaries to Him & reject the concepts of mortal sin & justice. With their logic, even Hitler is saved. Yes, what a "good" just god they're believing in, those twisted wiseguys..🤦God bless Fr. Dominic for exposing their heretical deception!🙏❤️
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@danielniros I you don't understand what you read, I cannot help you, this is plain language. And take of this American idol pic, it is demonic & not befitting for a Christian. God bless🙏❤️
To you, God is only anger and wrath. God's love seems to be an afterthought. You actually indicated in your post that God's will and His creations are not critical to Him. That insane. John 3:16 clearly says that God loves the world enough to send His son to die to save it. And where in Bible does it says that God's will is not important to Him? I wonder how many people who go around labelling others as heretics are in fact heretics themselves.
@@alwaysadawg6488 Keep twisting our words & our Scripture & follow cult leaders like arrogant Hart as gullible zombies with no objective reality, but mark my words, if you don't repent on that, you will meet Hart in the lake of fire & he will be tortured there more than all of you as a punishment for dragging you there. I suggest you go & watch *Dominic Morrow's* testimony, wake up & humble yourself...
@@alwaysadawg6488 And instead of twisting John 3:16 as Hart taught you to, read my other comment & get educated about what Scripture says about Sheol, and it is just the tip of the ice! Our God is not a hippie God, THAT's "insane", shame!