Norway 2-1 England (1981) WCQ
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- One of England's most infamous defeats comes in a World Cup qualifier away to Norway in September 1981. Despite taking the lead through a Bryan Robson goal, England are behind by half-time and fail to recover as Norway hold out for the victory. The result means England look set to miss out on a place in the finals, but an unexpected sequence of results will enable them to qualify by beating Hungary two months later. Includes brief studio analysis by John Bond with Jim Rosenthal - the English mood after this defeat is inevitably vastly different to the famously jubilant Norwegian "your boys took a hell of a beating" commentary!
Much better with the Norwegian commentary.
England since then have took far worse *hella beatings!*
youuuur boys took a hell of a beating! your boys took a HELL of a beating!
CAN YOU HEAR ME!!!!!!
Maggie Thatcher, your boys took a hell of a beating!
Spot on summary by Bond.
Magnificent Bryan Robson goal... fouled three times but still scored.
Magnificent player - great shame he became injury prone.
Should have been chalked off he used his hand.
Hallvar Thoresen scored the second goal. Goes from Larvik Turn to FC Twente in 1976.Then he goes to PSV Eindhoven from 1981-1988. Gunnar Thoresen helped his son writing a letter to Fc Twente in 1976. He comes over 19 years old, and his fantastic skills helps him. He plays for Twente when they won the Dutch cup 1977. Gunnar got 64 caps for Norway and his son Hallvar 50. 38 as a skipper. These days Hallvar works behind the scene for Norways best team ever. Rosenborg Ballklub.
Hallvar Thoresen was a great player. One of the best playing in the Netherlands in the eighties.
England beat Hungary in the final game of the group to guarantee qualification (a draw would have been enough on goal difference). However, I still remember the shock of Romania losing at home to Switzerland the month after England lost to Norway. Romania then failed to win in Switzerland meaning England just needed to avoid losing to Hungary.
England looked down and out after this game but ROMANIA imploded and took only 2 points from their last 3 games including a loss at home to a pretty shite Switzerland team.
The same shite Switzerland team that beat England.
The commentators are wrong about the second norwegian goal. It's not "Okland", or in Norwegian Økland (with Arne Larsen as first name), who scores. It's Hallvard Thoresen.
Btw, Hallvard Thoresen is one few who got caps for Norway, but haven't played in norwegian "premier league", or as it called in Norway "tippeligaen"
I remember i saw this match on the norwegian tv nrk. I was 8 years old at the time. and this was my first fotball match i watch. I loved it when Hallvard Thoresen scored the second goal for Norway.
In England we loved your commentator who got so excited at the end. It was almost worth losing just to hear that. I used to work with a Norwegian and she told me this was a massive victory for Norway in those days.
Sir Anthony Eden!!
Lady Diana!!!!!!
England were certainly lucky to qualify from this group, relying on Romania collapsing having initially got themselves into a strong position. Trevor Brooking missed all three of England's away defeats, which I think was a factor in them struggling so badly. The longer his England career went on the better he seemed to become at international level, and many of his best performances came when he was in his thirties.
*Just like Russia in their Euro 2008 qualifying campaign! (when they lost away to Israel before England having Wally with the Brolly 3 days later).*
Robson gets pkd 2 times on the goal stays up and finishes the play.
Today they go down turn about 7 times and cry for a pk😂😂😂
He also controlled the ball with his hand. Today VAR would give a free kick to Norway on the edge of the box - and rightly so.
On the other hand, it was hand-ball, as Ron Atkinson, to his credit, pointed out.
@@robt4390 what that have to do with my comment.
Did i mention any handball?
I'm pointing out the difference between players then and now when it comes to diving.
Not what the VAR does.
@@vampireducks1622 read my comment again....
@@detomasopantera1966 Let me spell it out. Handling the ball to score a goal is just as much cheating as diving for a penalty to score a goal.
7:10 Good ole English kick & hope put paid on the night. Good job for us at the time Romania did the *ultimate* of all balls-up in this qualifying campaign.
Tommy Lund was just insanely good. Too bad he never went to one of the great clubs in Europe, he would have become one of the greatest players in any club.
Who????
@@andrewjoyce9038 Tom Lund , claimed to be as good as Johan Cruyff at the time, Bayern M and Ajax wanted to sign him, but he was afraid of flying believe it or not. His skills were insane , not many videos on YT but I think there are a few clips.
@@bardo0007 Johan Cruyff left Ajax for Barca. Ajax wanted Tommy to replace Cruyff. I know there were more pro clubs interested in Tommy's service. If replace Cruyff means as good as Cruyff, I am not sure. We will never find out. But Tommy were talented.
Tom Lund a fotballer from an outher world. He was in an outher dimesion than avverge norwegian football player.
@@andrewjoyce9038 STO CAZZO!
some things never change.
The last five years has probably been the weakest period for Norway's national team in 45 years. I started supporting our national team back in 1974 when I discovered the magic of football during the World Cup 74. It took Norway 20 years to qualify for a World Cup and the 90's were all glory. Last 5 years Norway has
Jim Rosenthal presenting a live football match on ITV
Players cheered differently back then when scoring.
Maggie Thatcher can you hear me? My beautiful country Norway beat England , not only one time but 2 times , in 1981 and 1993 .
To be fair, Maggie might have actually played better than some of the lads in our team in 1993.
They were bloody awful
The worst guy for England was the coach.
Do you mean the one you called The Turnip ?
37 years on we still run the same type of game. Managers with 1 plan and no flexibility to adapt as the game changes .Take the lead Fail to put the game to bed away , concede .then loose .
MA VAI A CAGARE NON CAPISCI UN CAZZO!
6:37 Did they only get two points for a win? When did the three points get implemented?
It was first used international football for the 1994 World Cup.
The English Football League was the first league in the world to adopt it in 1981. Rest of the world took over 10 years to catch up.
@@thehalfeatendoughnut1798 IL RESTO DEL MONDO SEMPRE ANNI LUCE DIETRO ENGLAND IN TUTTO!
Good night. Watched and enjoyed. Of course like from your subscriber. Baku city. Many thanks
Your boys took a hell of a beating tonight 😅😅😅 the Norwegian commentator talked like we won the world cup 🏆
England qualified for Euro 80 easily but the '82' World Cup, big problems because Greenwood regressed to a dour 4/4/2 system with the attacking wing play replaced by a too defensive mindset for the wide men..
The last 5 years Norway has been down to 89 on the FIFA-ranking if I remember correctly. In 1994 Norway was at no.2! Why do I bother to inform this?
Amazing how they achieved it. In 92/93 they lost only the last game of qualifying eliminating England. But the style was shocking. At USA in 94 Norway were terribly negative. 98 was a better showing. And 2000 their last finals.
@@lukas_jay243 I am Norwegian. We had lots of fun with our national team during the 90's. Norway isn't good in football. We will never be good in football. We will never win an international tournament. Everybody knows. How can we contribute on the international stage? We can be the rock that overturn the load. This was Norway's contribution to int. football during the 90's and we did overturn loads well.
@@exentr That initial draw at Wembley. The 1-1. That stunning Rekdal goal set you on the way to 4th in the world rankings and two World Cup Finals tournaments
@@lukas_jay243 Yes, but we played defensive football still but we played defensive football well. Let's say contra attacking football. Norway actually reached #2 on the FIFA ranking. About the WC tournaments Norway had no experience. They could not relax. They were training in the heat dressed in plastic in order to handle the heat while all other nations were sun bathing and swimming in the pool. We did everything wrong.
love how big Ron's voice has not changed one little bit lol
And the best was that it was maybe 5 players on the norwegian twam that was pro. Rest amateurs
Lets be honest, Engerland were lucky to qualify for the world cup in 1982. Romania had beaten England at home and drew with England at Wembley, but Romania squandered points against the other teams. In saying all that, the England team at the world cup in 1982 were a good side and were unlucky not to make the semi-finals. For me the best player in the England was Brian Robson. Oh yes, what ever happened to Ron Atkinson? The thought police got him sacked.
England non e' stata fortunata a qualificarsi MA è STATA BRAVA , MOLTO PENALIZZATA DAGLI ARBITRI E DAGLI INFORTUNI, E NEL MONDIALE MOLTO SFORTUNATA POTEVA ARRIVARE IN FINALE E CHISSA'...
that defeat was against that same Norway side who England had beat 4.0 at Wembley in the first match of that 1982 qualifying campaign
There were heated debates at school about who was the best goalkeeper in England at the time. Liverpool supporters maintained Clemance was the main man but I think this match proved again that Shilton was the best option. I don't think we have seen a better England keeper since he retired
John Bond putting his pitch for the England managers job here...
These days Norway are a pretty decent side that can give teams problems. In those days they were a semi proffesional team, and this was one of the worst results in English football history. Switzerlands suprise 2-1 win at Bucharest against Romania effectively allowed England to quilify for the World cup in 1982.
Also in 1993, when England lost 2-0 in the same stadium, and England did not qualify. Norway qualified to the WC 1994.
norway league is not a semi pro. and like scotland they produced some world class players th-cam.com/video/sDK2YBy33_M/w-d-xo.html Norway is about the same size as Scotland. Not semi pro.
Part of England's strength (and eventual weakness as the years passed) was that they played a high tempo direct form of football, looking for knock-downs. Most teams didn't play like that but Norway did and they knew how to play against it
@@bardo0007 e STI CAZZI! Norvegia SUCCHIA I CAZZI ENGLAND CAMPIONE DEL MONDO , DOMINANTE NELLE COPPE ANNI 70, 80 ED ORA DI NUOVO
@@fraser_mr2009 norway e SEMIPOMPINARI ...MOLTO BRAVI NEL PRENDERLO NEL CULO!
Does anyone remember the game away v Hungary in 81 wcq were stevie coppell was almost crippled by one of there players which finished his career I don't remember him going to Spain I'm 82 I could be wrong
.In the same game brooking chipped the ball and it got stuck in the stoncktion I think that's what you call It. The goal was allowed he scored again and Paul Mariner my favourite footballer being an Ipswich fan scored and we won 3 1in the end we qualified. Incidentally John Bond was pundit v Norway ex Norwich boss and newly man city boss who knocked Ipswich out of the 81 FA cup.semi final. Still the one game that still to this day hurts the most never seeing my Ipswich in an FA cup final even though they won it in 78 I wasn't even a football fan then. So John Bond rather ironic
He went to Spain Coppell but did not play the game against Spain..he was injured but able to play with injections..Francis therefore had to play on the right..not down the centre..
England qualified and Norway didn’t 🏴🏴🏴
Omg England spluttered and stuttered through this WCQ group sheesh! Thank god we rescued it when it mattered and largely helped by how Romania f’d things up.
Your Boys took one hell of a beating.....
And then Romania ballsed up their two games in hand (1 point from 6) meaning England only had to get a draw in their last game. Which they won.
We were the Russia 2007 of this qualifying campaign. We shouldn't have qualified but Romania messed it up and let us in, in the same way we screwed up in the Euro 2008 qualifiers, letting Russia qualify instead.
Jayfive276 I'm sure it was 2 points a win then not 3
I perfer the norwegian commentary
England struggled in 82 WC qualifying but at the tournament they were good. They won all 3 group matches including beating France 3-1, who were a really good side. They tied Spain and Germany in the second round matches but Germany went through after beating Spain 2-1.
Yes, I agree. We maybe could have got to the semis if Keegan stayed fit. We really did play well in Spain. But in truth, we were beyond lucky to get there. Unlike in 1982, we were awful throughout 1981. The only reason we got to Spain was because Romania completely f***ed it up, not us on merit. Hungary had already qualified and had next to little to play for when we beat them 1-0 at Wembley in November that year and they had next to none of the skill and talent that Slaven Bilic's 2007 Croatia side had who knocked us out in similar circumstances.
That point is true (England have no monopoly on luck there, Argentina just scrapped qualification for Russia) but this was a very good team, the England team that tried to qualify for '78' only lost one match to Italy (who they beat at Home) and went out due to goal difference not points to Italy...From the late 70's to 1990 England had excellent players and some superb squads and if Keegan-Brooking and Hoddle had played the Spain from the get go, the English would have got the semi of the 82 World cup regarded by some as the best of all time...some praise...
Qualification was extremely hard to achieve in the 60s/70s when only team in a group went through but for 1982, it was top two who went through. And it really was Romania's collapse that got us to Spain. When we were in Spain, it was a different story. If only Keegan was fit. Same with France 98, if only Hoddle took Gascoigne.
@@SuperTed19021 I was absolutely raging when hoddle didn't take Gascoigne .I know he was a bit of a mess at the time but he basically got us there with his world class performance against Italy in Rome.Hoddle was not a arm round the shoulders manager like venables .In fact venables should have been manager for France 98 ....with possibly hoddle as a coach . What a impact sub he would have made ......all those genius assists for Michael Owen. ...😠
We took one hell of a beating here.
I'm curious if this group in Norway still exists that gathers every year to watch this match (or it's goals)...
At this time Norway was a dwarf in football
Atkinson " a suggestion of hand ball". A
1:16 He'll never score a more important one? Big Fat Ron certainly took a dim view of Robbo's career
Cruitheach that's why Ron signed him for united lol
@@kingkane1051 I note you associate Manchester United with "Labour scum". That will have come as a surprise to Brian Kidd when he was at the club
John Bond....Harry Rednapps farmer Cuzzin !
That Norway team beating that England team, is like Andorra beating England 2023
Looks kinda weird that league table .....P7 PTS 7.............and top!!!
Adder Pluco was 2 points a win then
Robbie & Keegan apart, little effort was put in by England players that night. Nice through ball by Terry Mac for Norway's winner. Just about summed it up.
I'm looking at the table and I'm wondering how on earth England qualified that year.
With regards to the first goal in the match, in today's football world, a player like Neymar would roll of the pitch claiming a penalty instead of scoring.
England were eventually great at the '82 World Cup.
If I'm not mistaken, they may be the only team in World Cup history to be knocked out of the finals without losing a single game in 90 mins, after extra time, or even on pens.
Scotland in 1974
My bad. I failed to explain they are the only team to go beyond the first round group stages and be eliminated in this fashion.
Switzerland 2006. Without conceding a goal..
@@thomasstork6632 Correct. But they lost the game on pens. England played 2 games beyond the first round, never lost a game after 90 mins, extra time or on pens, and never conceded a goal in those 2 games.
Wednesday 9th September 1981
Remember watching it as a 16 year old, at an impromptu teenager party as my mate's mum and dad went out ... bit of a downer ... the match and the party!
I also recall watching it as a 16 year old. It looked like we were going to miss out on a third successive World Cup.
Yes Indeed
same here
The commentator went nuts etc but in the end England qualified and Norway finished bottom.
Brian Moore god rest his soul, was a wonderful commentator.
Word
The revenge came in 1993, when Norway beat England 2-0, and Norway qualified, England out, thanks to Graham Taylor, or "the Turnip" .
@@bardo0007 That team with Haaland, Rekdal and Flo was possibly Norway's best ever group of players. They were all "players' players" too. Honest and hard working.
@@barnbersonol Tore Andre Flo scored a brace against Brazil in 1997 before the WC 98 when he scores against Brazil again, and after that he gained the nickname Flonaldo. Amazing player.
clough was the man to manage England
Bassett Time ... the early Eighties when England's footballing fortunes turned from tragicomedy to pure farce. A hundred years of luck got pawned in getting out of that group.
This game was one of the reasons Greenwood was never able to trust Hoddle.
Did hoddle have a bad performance?
Remember Lillelien was a huge fan of english soccer
Soccer?
When did Rumania change its name to Romania?
Rumania is the English spelling isnt it? Its always been pronounced Romania.
To emphasize their connection to the ancient Romans. It was spelled with a 'u' until the 18th century in the Romanian language as well, and it's still spelled that way in German, French, Spanish and many other languages, including Danish and Swedish, but, interestingly, not Norwegian.
Phil Gris Neal
Nothing much has changed since those times...England flatter to deceive 🤷🏽♂️
Hilarious England - fuck all since '66.
More than Norway, though, surely?
TitanFind
That's an achievement for the English game is it,that they've done more than Norway.
robby rensenbrink It's a greater achievement than Norway's, one assumes.
robby rensenbrink It's better than the Netherlands.
14 May 1937 Norway v England W 0-6 International Friendly vi abbiamo TROMBATO COSI TANTO CHE SIETE DIVENTATI BIONDI!
In one word, EMBARRASSING 🤯🤯
Team
Norge Supreme! 😁
was this originally meant to be played at the Bislett Stadium but was switched to a smaller venue due to England's hooligan problem
No they always play the national matches on Ullevaal.Ullevaal is by the way bigger than Bislett.
@@glennremihelgerud5916 QUESTO E' IL LORO STADI DI MERDA PER GENTE ROTTA IN KULO SUCCHIA SPERMA AD OLTRANZA!
Norway is still the nr. 1 national team in the world.
.......for skiing.
A SUCCHIARE CAZZI N 1
FOR BLOW JOBS!
Only England can loose to a bunch of Norwegian fishermen....
England loose to Scandinavians a lot...
Bonella CIUCCIA LA CAPPELLA!
MA SE GLI ABBIAMO SPACCATO IL CULO PER SECOLI! CHE CAZZO DICI FROCIONE
6:37 - RUmania, lol
The English spelling started to change in the 70s. Another variant about that time was Roumania.
Germans and French write it with a 'u' still to this day.
Ru is correct...a nation that has its own language cant spell ....haha
@@igorszamaszow171 Interesting. I never knew that. Just checked it out, and sure enough the English spelling used to be "Ru" until the mid-seventies. Still not sure why it's spelt Ru here considering it's a 1981 UK broadcast.
@@MWRent well, it was way before you could check the correct spelling in a second. They probably had some dictionaries and handbooks, but I'm not sure they were always up to date.
Also, if you have a guy whose job is to make the titles, and he has been spelling it 'Rumania' for twenty years before the government decided to change the spelling, some mistakes are inevitable.
england is impotent in football
Nah, from 1982 to 2006 their record is pretty decent, it's just that they're appalling at penalty shootouts. Give them the shootout record of Germany and their tournament record would look excellent. (Seriously, try it.)
I don't care, I've got a season ticket at MCFC and go and watch the best players in the world in the worlds best league week in week out. What do you do watch skiing??? Or watch Vaarg Vem??
@@bascet1 I very much doubt he's even Norwegian as we can't seem to get enough of English football.
@@TitanFind and the Germans luck as well. In both Semi finals (WC90 and Euro96) England were the better side in the 120mins.Luck was definitely with them..penalties aside of course.
TU SI IMPOTENTE DALLA NASCITA !
wot about our 4-0 drubbing of the Norwegians? EDVARD MUNCH! OLAF THE HAIRY! ODIN! can you hear me? you boys took a hell of a beating. thats my answer to bjorge lilien.lol
Odin, Thor, Leiv Eriksson, Harald the hairy, Edvard Grieg, Edvard Munch, Henrik Ibsen, Roald Amundsen, Fritjof Nansen, Sonia Henie, Sissel Kyrkjebø, Bjørge Lillelien! Can you hear me?
Norway's national team were the world's best amateur team at the time. They qualified for the 1980 summer olympics in Moscow. I think Lillelien had a message for Bresnev too. Bjørge Lillelien were hilarious. For him commentating sports events should be entertaining for the audience. Doesn't matter if it's boring. Make it exiting was his philosophy. Back in the days we used to watch sports on tv but we used to mute the tv and listen to Lillelien on tha radio while we saw the same event on tv. We were pissing our pants laughing.
Oyvind Leonardsen, Jens Stoltenberg, Egil Olsen & his wellies, Magnus Carlsen, small Norwegian Elkhounds, Tore Andre Flo, weird Christmas trees, Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer.. Your boys took a hell of a beating
.
But of course the norskies didn't qualify to the WC, although beating the brits.
I think if my memory serves me right the Norwegian team was made up of mostly part timers…
Clemence was an absolute disgrace every time he played for england, how did get so many caps? One of the worst keepers to ever play the game
kilo bailey you on crack? Clemence was 1 of the best keepers in the 70s and early 80s .. should have had as much caps as shilton
He was fantastic for Liverpool, but for England he dropped a few clangers unfortunately.
@@jonblazeinc No way was Clemence as good as Shilton...I would even go as far as saying Corrigan was better than Clem.Paisley at Liverpool didn't stand in his way went he went to Spurs now did he.
@@mikipiediaelburro7588 well Paisley got Liverpool job in 1974 ....clemence stayed till 1981...7 years under paisley management . In that time paisley trusted him and collected UEFA cup , 4 league titles, 3 European cups , 1 league cups ...7 years is a long time to not stand in the way of letting someone go you fool
@@teddyirons8240 All keepers drop clangers now and then if they play long enough and Peter Shilton made his fair share.