He would never do it. Saylor would talk circles around him. Plus he would be afraid of losing memberships over his lack of understanding how MSTR works.
Wow! So great to have so many comments from people who actually see what's happening. I grossly overestimated the diligence and intelligence of so many crypto content producers.
Nothing happens if Bitcoin goes down. LOL... The debt has no connection to the bitcoin, they never have to sell. Plus at the moment the debt is only 16% of the bitcoin they own. That is like buying a million dollar house and putting down 840K, and financing 160K. Bitcoin would have to go down to 16K and stay there for years to have any impact at all. In the meantime this bull run he can force convert the debt to shares. They acquire more debt 5 and 6 years out.
@@yumyum408 Yeah man. You also have to think about the asymmetric information that the people who are giving Saylor 15 Billion Dollars... They think that a 15 Billion dollar investment in MSTR bonds is better than 15 Billion in every other S&P 500 company convertible bonds.... Hmmmm. Interesting...
The bonds are unsecured converts, not margin callable leverage. You either don't know that difference or are intentionally bad mouthing saylor every video for clicks. I'm a fan of both you, hiedi, and saylor. The risks are bitcoin goes to 0, lost keys, dollar going to 0, or laws disallowing what he's doing which is now unlikely with what happened November 5th. Bitcoin dropping 90% doesn't harm the bond holders which is now the operating business. He would stack faster.
This. All the extensive theories and time given to trying to debunk a business model that's securing capital at sub 1% and deploying into an asset paying an historical compound annual return of 145%. $MSTR is up 469% over the last 365 days, still holding after the correction yesterday. If $BTC accrual is the new economic arms race, and Microstrategy has frontrun the financial industry on Bitcoin bonds, how precisely does this equate to looming failure? The timing of this video is off, and the position you've taken is lazy. I've been in crypto since 2012 myself and everything needs rethinking. The libertarian ideal comes later... First we have to see asset value denominated in BTC. Saylor is that trojan horse, whether he knows it or not. If you dont believe this to be so, then you have to concede that Satoshi was wrong. He wasn't.
Debate Saylor - I think he has a sound strategy - he survived BTC falling over 50% before. I like your channel but unless you can prove that he is going to fail I think this video weakens your status.
MSTR survived when the BTC crashed from 69k to 16k. I had an unrealized loss of 50 % for almost 2 years. If BTC crashes again, I think MSTR will survive again.
Saylor has been very transparent in his strategy. Anyone investing is going in with eyes wide open and believe BTC price will be higher in 4 years than today. In the meantime, Saylor is onboarding the world. Let's stop the hair on fire hysterics.
Argument is flawed. Comparing to FTX and Bernie Madoff (they were a fraud) is like comparing apples and oranges. Your argument will hold if you think Bitcoin is also a fraud and will also crash, thus causing MS to fail also.
Hear, hear! Exactly! Michael Saylor's brilliant strategy is public knowledge, in fact he's encouraging other companies to follow it. FTX and Madoff were frauds. Honestly this video should be taken down and you should do more research on the convertible bonds.
Saylor is the first to put his company on the Bitcoin standard. I have more confidence in the Bitcoin standard than the shit coins you guys peddle. This video is nonsense
This is the most BS video on this channel I have seen so far...specially in the context of everthing before in the last month. As another poster said: Why FUD now?
Video 1: BTC is the best asset ever. Video 2: BTC will crash microstrategy. Video 3: "I'm not worried about the volatility." Video 4: "you're a loser for being emotional" Video 5: "be scared!!!!!" "Fear" Video 6: were 5 five months away from the top of the market. Every five videos you contradict yourself.
We need to see an interview with Michael Saylor... Maybe he can explain to you the degree of risk he is taking. But comparing his enterprise with ftx is too much for my taste!
Yes, I agree with your observations and also just cancelled my paid subscription. I truly welcome fair criticism of anyone or any company making bad decisions including Michael Saylor and MSTR, but this was NOT the case with the opinions that Toby shared here today.
Apart from a number of other things you have glossed over - including that the price of Bitcoin is underpinned by in excess of one hundred million people around the world - much of Microstrategy's debt is at a zero coupon (non interest-bearing).A fall below 61.7k per BTC is therefore unlikely to crash MSTR in the way you suggest. You are correct that Saylor's scheme is highly dependent upon the coninuing long-term rise of the BTC price. You are, however, equating FTX, the Madoff Ponzi scheme, and the South Sea Bubble frauds with the MSTR bitcoin strategy, and also alluding to Saylor himself being a con-man because his historical mis-steps. Do you have evidence that the Microstrategy "fly-wheel" scheme is a gigantic fraud, or is it, instead, a stroke of genius? Perhaps only time will tell!
from what i understand, the opinion of the narrator of this video is that bitcoin will rise in value over time. so given that - why is Michael Salors strategy faulty?
@@TheebX92 but even in a four-year cycle theory, how does that make MSTR a Ponzi scheme? Wouldn't MSTRs price just swing with more volatility to the upside and to the downside based on bitcoins price swings? Genuinely curious... Just trying to figure it out the truth here...
CryptoTips could be right or could be wrong. My question is should I even listen to a TH-camr that still invests in shitcoins when their success really depends on the success of Bitcoin just like Microstrategy? 🤔😅
Yea, I only do bitcoin, MSTR. These two both know that if they only pushed bitcoin, they wouldn’t have the membership portal and making that money that way, which is pushing alt coins and memes.
This dude doesn't know what he's talking about... Embarrassing, he needs to do more research on MSTR on what they're doing, then go 1 to 1 debate against Saylor if hes so sure.. wait till 2025 .. MSTR to the moonnnn! We aint seen nothing yet!
From what I’ve heard FTX held next to zero BTC they held a lot of Solana and other crypto . IF they were holding BTC they may have stayed in business .
Im all in Btc and Mstr. Mstr makes money on the volitility also. You didnt meantion that. I like you and your wife but this was to dramatic for my taste. I can see Mstr be the biggest company in the world in 10 years. Bank insurance and all they can figure out later on. We are early still in Btc endevore. Take care
Isn't MSTR's average per btc under $62k? How likely do you think it is that btc drops below $60k during the next cycle? MSTR survived thru holding btc at around $30k when it was $15.5k at the bottom of the last bear mkt. So even if btc drops under $50k during the next bear mkt, that will further prove the power of the 4 year cycles. Why are you trying to scare the crap out of people new here, going into Xmas and the NY? Mental note to self: 'are these guys, actually, the 'good guys' they portray themselves as being?'
@ it is financial leverage I care. I make more money when BTC is up and of course when BTC is down, I lose more. Long term, I win more than I lose. I bought both MSTR and BTC but I focus more on MSTR. I accept the risk and understand the game. As an individual, I can’t borrow cheap money like microstrategy.
*Brothers and sisters, trust God when you pray it works. He said all we need to do is ask in prayers. My testimony spans from penury to $127,000 bimonthly, and you stay and doubt that he doesn't answer prayers. Make that altar now and spend time there. A change is in the way. Amen!!!*
I raised 73k and [Nancy Lynn Heffner] is to be thanked, She's a licensed broker in the states 🇺🇸 My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in dept then told me about her and how to change my life through her. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, Sallie Herzog Behnke is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! Always have faith and keep living!!
What kind of business relationship or strategy does microstrategy have with Blackrock? Do they have the same or similar vision for Bitcoin? Will Blackrock bail Microstrategy out in the event of the loop unraveling? If MSTR folds and the contagion is as bad as you say, it would drag all the BTC ETF’s down too. My guesse is that blackrock won’t let that happen, or have contingency plans for that particular eventually, and that’s why Saylor is so confident in how he’s structuring MSTR.
I hear you, but what if Saylor is right about BTC? BTC is truly unlike any other asset class. I’d be more worried about the 500+ billion dollar unrealized losses by the banks causing a systemic risk among other things.
This is bs. If you account for everything they are only leveraged around 15%. That is way lower than most companies. We already saw what happened when btc went to 16k....
Saylor is the smartest guy in the room. He only has to cover the interest (as far as I'm aware) and what a rate he has. It can't go on forever but I think for the foreseeable it can persist. Retail isn't in yet. We only have another 900 trillion to go. At some point he'll need to change tact. No time soon though.
You also mentioned his tax fraud. That was a pretty bogus claim and low blow. He moved and didn't declare tax from one state to the other. It was a dirty tactic by the feds and doesn't deserve air time.
A pretty hypocritical message coming from a Bitcoiner trying to scare people into buying your course or book so they can get more complete answers. Your message is nonsense and a cheap shot at Saylor. Ba bye
Couldn’t Micro just sell some BTC, pay back all the loans and be sitting on solely cash reserves? We all believe (your channel included) that Bitcoin will rise… so if you and Saylor are correct, nothing to worry about. Am I missing something?
You do not discuss if BTC goes up.Then what would you think of MSTR? Anyone who does their homework knows BTC goes through cycles.... Buy MSTR...expect cycles as well. If you do not like volatility then perhaps MSTR is not for you or BTC for that matter....BUT make no mistake BTC is here to stay.
@@melissapereira9879 Same here checking pockets of coats and under couch cushions to buy as much as I could. I have spent months regretting not buying as much as possible and will not repeat that mistake again during this golden opportunity to pack my bags at sub $100K.
can you quantify the interest amounts-- pretty certain some of these converts were financed super duper cheaply. BTC would have to drop to about 1/3 of that 61K figure in my view for MSTR to go bust. Definitely a perpetual motion machine but your math is all wrong
@@yumyum408 think we on the same page.. 1/3 of 61 is ~20k. Directionally I agree w you. I think this is FUD.. I think coinbase not having all the btc or an issue with TradFi handling the custody and settlement of crypto is a far more likely point of failure than MSTR in my humble view
@@jonathansilverman3442 Of course if BTC price goes down to 5,000$ for example... MSTR will fail long term. That's because BTC itself has just failed as a large asset. Not because of liquidation though of MSTR
He does sound angry but I believe that all of the FUDs are hoping to frighten the retail sector so that prices will drop so that they can buy back in while the sentiment is in Fear mode. Toby sold off a portion of his BTC at 100 and 105K which is fine, but this take seems very off base given everything we have seen over the years.
would you rather have people who dont care about bitcoin holding huge stacks..am find with saylor having huge bags please leave him alone bitcoin has just had a 14% pullback and Microstrategy is still standing so your thoery is BS!
Oh man - you cherry pick the worst case and roll further with it. Even if it happened as you said, BTC would have to go that low AND last longer than typical 1.5 year bear market. The pattern is that you're simply grumpy towards all establishment, even if they're on your side with slightly different opinions.
brah did you just bring up 1720? lol .. We are never going below 61k though. You at the top of a new skyscraper and you are yelling OH BOY.."If this thing falls"..lol
And 2 drones already coming at him and all of a sudden, Mike Tyson punches him in the face and Michael Saylor arrives on Spiderman in his arms, because he turned queer. End of the story
Not sure about your comparison to some company from 100 years ago is overly relevant. Did that company invent the new global standards for exchange of value? No didn't think so.
Does this channel put out uninformed vids like this often? I had watched a few videos over the last week or so and it didn’t seem bad like this. He’s just uninformed on how the debts work. Saying there’s volatility to the stock that could very well extreme is very different from insinuating it will go bust. Maybe he’s doing it for the sake of a click batey headline?
The question is: Are you a BTC believer? Or not? Is MSTR on the same wagon as everyone who believes BTC is going to be the future? I am not here defending MSTR; I am curious if you are going against BTC or crypto. Maybe share your thoughts.
Uh, bitcoin wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for ever expanding fiat money supply. What happens if Saylor threatens to burn 99% of his btc by sending it to a dead wallet?
Toby, you're causing confusion here. You're a strong believer in Bitcoin and have mentioned that the majority of your portfolio is invested in it. But now you're criticizing it because of Michael Saylor? What's your stance now?
In my opinion Michael Saylor needs to slow his roll a bit because every time he buys the price falls after he stops buying.... maybe instead of buying in chuncks he should commit to a certain amount every day.... that might help with the stability.
If Bitcoin follows fibonacci, which it does fairly well, then I'd venture that approximately $120k will be a top and a 50% retracement will be $60k. It did retrace to the 78.6 level at around 16k in this cycle. However, this was before institutional and government investing. I think 60k is the floor going forward. That would place Saylor's investment at break even. However if he continues to buy at these higher levels, that could bring your thesis into being as his cost basis will continue to rise.
Probably you still thinking in FIAT as your base point. Question: What would a company investing in gold look like with the same scheme 100 years ago? Would it be a good investment?, I think the risk is the world could be discovering a "better" asset than BTC.
The next black swan is around the corner and that is Micro Strategy Off Course. And that will brings the Bitcoin the bottom of next bear market. Hope I will have enough funds to buy that dip.
Is Saylors strategy sustainable?
what if he actually buys it for US Gov instead of buying it themselves?
Is this the most useful video you ve ever done? More useful than the one for ftx?
jesus christ dude why youre doing this to us today , im alrdy havign a heart atk and terrified by the crazy dip
@@AXharoth hahaha
@@ovidium8020 not your keys not your coins
You need to sit down with Michael Saylor so we can see you debate the claims you are making.
Saylor is the worst thing that happened to Bitcoin 🤡
@@nofood1 why?
That would be amazing to see!!!
He would never do it. Saylor would talk circles around him. Plus he would be afraid of losing memberships over his lack of understanding how MSTR works.
I agree. Not saying this info here is wrong.
The bonds are non callable, no recourse. This is one of the least sophisticated takes on the MSTR business model I’ve ever heard TBH.
Wow! So great to have so many comments from people who actually see what's happening. I grossly overestimated the diligence and intelligence of so many crypto content producers.
Toby really destroyed his own credibility with this video.
Nothing happens if Bitcoin goes down. LOL... The debt has no connection to the bitcoin, they never have to sell. Plus at the moment the debt is only 16% of the bitcoin they own. That is like buying a million dollar house and putting down 840K, and financing 160K. Bitcoin would have to go down to 16K and stay there for years to have any impact at all. In the meantime this bull run he can force convert the debt to shares. They acquire more debt 5 and 6 years out.
Great comment and understanding.
They are both complete morons who lucked into buying BTC early and are desperately trying to stay relevant by spreading FUD during a bull market.
I don't understand exactly how it works but I think James on "Invest Answers" said also BTC would have 2 drop to 16K.
He's playing the money game 😂
@@yumyum408 Yeah man. You also have to think about the asymmetric information that the people who are giving Saylor 15 Billion Dollars... They think that a 15 Billion dollar investment in MSTR bonds is better than 15 Billion in every other S&P 500 company convertible bonds.... Hmmmm. Interesting...
The bonds are unsecured converts, not margin callable leverage. You either don't know that difference or are intentionally bad mouthing saylor every video for clicks. I'm a fan of both you, hiedi, and saylor. The risks are bitcoin goes to 0, lost keys, dollar going to 0, or laws disallowing what he's doing which is now unlikely with what happened November 5th. Bitcoin dropping 90% doesn't harm the bond holders which is now the operating business. He would stack faster.
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This is true. He is not forced to sell the BTC to cover the debts.
Agree. Convertibles are the same as "normal" debt. And it appears Saylor has built a solid moat....Only in a bear market will any faults be exposed.
Sorry. "Not" the same.
This.
All the extensive theories and time given to trying to debunk a business model that's securing capital at sub 1% and deploying into an asset paying an historical compound annual return of 145%.
$MSTR is up 469% over the last 365 days, still holding after the correction yesterday.
If $BTC accrual is the new economic arms race, and Microstrategy has frontrun the financial industry on Bitcoin bonds, how precisely does this equate to looming failure?
The timing of this video is off, and the position you've taken is lazy. I've been in crypto since 2012 myself and everything needs rethinking. The libertarian ideal comes later... First we have to see asset value denominated in BTC.
Saylor is that trojan horse, whether he knows it or not. If you dont believe this to be so, then you have to concede that Satoshi was wrong.
He wasn't.
Debate Saylor - I think he has a sound strategy - he survived BTC falling over 50% before. I like your channel but unless you can prove that he is going to fail I think this video weakens your status.
MSTR survived when the BTC crashed from 69k to 16k. I had an unrealized loss of 50 % for almost 2 years. If BTC crashes again, I think MSTR will survive again.
Mum's the word, if these people don't understand how micro strategy bonds work, don't tell them. It just gives us more opportunity to buy more.
@@duanejackson6718100%
Saylor is scamming the whole world dude. Things are not going to end well.
@@selliantuttimusi6735 please elaborate
He has leveraged ENORMOUS amounts of debt to pump this scheme, He will be liquidated and create a finacial black hole remembered in millenias to come
Saylor has been very transparent in his strategy. Anyone investing is going in with eyes wide open and believe BTC price will be higher in 4 years than today. In the meantime, Saylor is onboarding the world. Let's stop the hair on fire hysterics.
Argument is flawed. Comparing to FTX and Bernie Madoff (they were a fraud) is like comparing apples and oranges. Your argument will hold if you think Bitcoin is also a fraud and will also crash, thus causing MS to fail also.
Hear, hear! Exactly! Michael Saylor's brilliant strategy is public knowledge, in fact he's encouraging other companies to follow it. FTX and Madoff were frauds. Honestly this video should be taken down and you should do more research on the convertible bonds.
So standard for this channel: When there is massive FUD, lets add some more! Breaking banks my @ss, paid to scare retail is more likely
rly rly unwelcome and bad timing indeed
He is a hater and big ole fud
Yep my thought 😂😂😂100%
all YTbers follow the same pattern
Toby ,you seriously need to Chill on Michael Sailor .
You’ve been hating on him hard .
In the mean time, this guy will be shilling all kinds of vaporware shit coins.
Saylor is the first to put his company on the Bitcoin standard. I have more confidence in the Bitcoin standard than the shit coins you guys peddle. This video is nonsense
he will survive. Saylors strategy is sustainable
This is the most BS video on this channel I have seen so far...specially in the context of everthing before in the last month. As another poster said: Why FUD now?
Video 1: BTC is the best asset ever.
Video 2: BTC will crash microstrategy.
Video 3: "I'm not worried about the volatility."
Video 4: "you're a loser for being emotional"
Video 5: "be scared!!!!!" "Fear"
Video 6: were 5 five months away from the top of the market.
Every five videos you contradict yourself.
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This video sounds like a full display of jealousy to me, or you don't understand the fundamentals behind Saylor's strategy
they don’t owe anything on call, there is no recourse on their debt
you don’t understand the debt they took on.
Agreed, and the debt is also largely interest free, too.
We need to see an interview with Michael Saylor... Maybe he can explain to you the degree of risk he is taking. But comparing his enterprise with ftx is too much for my taste!
The Quant Bros are far more trustworthy than this FUD.
This is the video that made me unsubscribe. See ya.
Love the Quant Bros. Wish their videos weren’t quite as long, but great stuff.
100%
Yes, I agree with your observations and also just cancelled my paid subscription. I truly welcome fair criticism of anyone or any company making bad decisions including Michael Saylor and MSTR, but this was NOT the case with the opinions that Toby shared here today.
Just short it then.
Lol😅
I don’t think you understand…. 1 BTC will always be 1 BTC … price doesn’t matter … Michael Saylor understands this …. Price doesn’t matter
And yet you cant do anything with 1 BTC
wow cant believe you believe that
Apart from a number of other things you have glossed over - including that the price of Bitcoin is underpinned by in excess of one hundred million people around the world - much of Microstrategy's debt is at a zero coupon (non interest-bearing).A fall below 61.7k per BTC is therefore unlikely to crash MSTR in the way you suggest. You are correct that Saylor's scheme is highly dependent upon the coninuing long-term rise of the BTC price. You are, however, equating FTX, the Madoff Ponzi scheme, and the South Sea Bubble frauds with the MSTR bitcoin strategy, and also alluding to Saylor himself being a con-man because his historical mis-steps. Do you have evidence that the Microstrategy "fly-wheel" scheme is a gigantic fraud, or is it, instead, a stroke of genius? Perhaps only time will tell!
This ☝
How about being a responsible influencer and do some homework before spreading FUD!
from what i understand, the opinion of the narrator of this video is that bitcoin will rise in value over time. so given that - why is Michael Salors strategy faulty?
Good point
He believe there will be NASTY bear market, BTC price will crash then Bull market
Tobby believe in 4 year cycle theory
@@TheebX92 but even in a four-year cycle theory, how does that make MSTR a Ponzi scheme? Wouldn't MSTRs price just swing with more volatility to the upside and to the downside based on bitcoins price swings? Genuinely curious... Just trying to figure it out the truth here...
@@TheebX92 With all the BTC adoption, next bear shouldn't go as low as the last one
CryptoTips could be right or could be wrong. My question is should I even listen to a TH-camr that still invests in shitcoins when their success really depends on the success of Bitcoin just like Microstrategy? 🤔😅
Great point
Yea, I only do bitcoin, MSTR. These two both know that if they only pushed bitcoin, they wouldn’t have the membership portal and making that money that way, which is pushing alt coins and memes.
Why Bitcoin have to crash at 61k?? And why so much hate for Saylor?? He is the best Bitcoin promotional!!
This dude doesn't know what he's talking about... Embarrassing, he needs to do more research on MSTR on what they're doing, then go 1 to 1 debate against Saylor if hes so sure.. wait till 2025 .. MSTR to the moonnnn! We aint seen nothing yet!
From what I’ve heard FTX held next to zero BTC they held a lot of Solana and other crypto . IF they were holding BTC they may have stayed in business .
Saylor is Brilliant
I sense a bit of jealousy and ego
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
I don't see you as a CEO of a NASDAQ 100 Company.....
Dips are for buying NOT for crying.(Didi). I bought. Ta guys.
We just want to know the truth. Having you 2 together talking would help us understand the truth.
Im all in Btc and Mstr.
Mstr makes money on the volitility also. You didnt meantion that.
I like you and your wife but this was to dramatic for my taste.
I can see Mstr be the biggest company in the world in 10 years.
Bank insurance and all they can figure out later on. We are early still in Btc endevore.
Take care
MetaPlanet in Japan has followed Saylor's lead and now has the most successful Japanese stock of the year
What a fud video.
oh Todd please stop. you have no clue whats going to happen
Todd 😂
Isn't MSTR's average per btc under $62k? How likely do you think it is that btc drops below $60k during the next cycle? MSTR survived thru holding btc at around $30k when it was $15.5k at the bottom of the last bear mkt. So even if btc drops under $50k during the next bear mkt, that will further prove the power of the 4 year cycles. Why are you trying to scare the crap out of people new here, going into Xmas and the NY? Mental note to self: 'are these guys, actually, the 'good guys' they portray themselves as being?'
@@petermoyse true! I bought MSTR and I had unrealized loss when BTC went down. This time I will buy more MSTR when BTC crashes.
@@powercomm why not buy BTC instead?
My guess is it will drop bellow 30k
@ it is financial leverage I care. I make more money when BTC is up and of course when BTC is down, I lose more. Long term, I win more than I lose. I bought both MSTR and BTC but I focus more on MSTR. I accept the risk and understand the game. As an individual, I can’t borrow cheap money like microstrategy.
@@MMRIbyM Why not both?
Toby doesn’t understand this, bottom line also if bitcoin tanks we are all screwed anyway, un-necessary fud
Awake Bitcoin citizen! Thx for identifying yourself! MSTR = no added risk, only long term btc risk --when properly understood.
I disagree Bitcoin is king will never collapse. Michael saylor is a Legend he believes in Bitcoin.
Their debt is small compared to their assets. Please explain how it becomes “unsustainable”. You made this claim without support.
I hear ya. But you do need to consider the bonds are zero coupon.
And the interest from prior loans are under 1%>
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Hello!! How do you make such monthly, am a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. Thank you Jesus
But how do you make so much in a month? mind sharing?
I raised 73k and [Nancy Lynn Heffner] is to be thanked, She's a licensed broker in the states 🇺🇸 My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in dept then told me about her and how to change my life through her. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, Sallie Herzog Behnke is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! Always have faith and keep living!!
I have heard a lot of wonderful things about Nancy Lynn on the news. I'm definitely trying her out
Lost a lot of respect and unsubscribed by how much you don’t actually understand and know. You’re wrong about the 61k and much more.
So he goes pro bitcoin in 2020. 2 years later the government sues said person for tax evasion ?? Bout right
Was he found guilty?
What kind of business relationship or strategy does microstrategy have with Blackrock? Do they have the same or similar vision for Bitcoin? Will Blackrock bail Microstrategy out in the event of the loop unraveling? If MSTR folds and the contagion is as bad as you say, it would drag all the BTC ETF’s down too. My guesse is that blackrock won’t let that happen, or have contingency plans for that particular eventually, and that’s why Saylor is so confident in how he’s structuring MSTR.
I hear you, but what if Saylor is right about BTC? BTC is truly unlike any other asset class. I’d be more worried about the 500+ billion dollar unrealized losses by the banks causing a systemic risk among other things.
This is bs. If you account for everything they are only leveraged around 15%. That is way lower than most companies. We already saw what happened when btc went to 16k....
BS
You said the same thing when bitcoin hit 15k, MSTR will go under.
So basically you’re saying WE’RE FU$KED!
Saylor is the smartest guy in the room. He only has to cover the interest (as far as I'm aware) and what a rate he has. It can't go on forever but I think for the foreseeable it can persist. Retail isn't in yet. We only have another 900 trillion to go. At some point he'll need to change tact. No time soon though.
You also mentioned his tax fraud. That was a pretty bogus claim and low blow. He moved and didn't declare tax from one state to the other. It was a dirty tactic by the feds and doesn't deserve air time.
A pretty hypocritical message coming from a Bitcoiner trying to scare people into buying your course or book so they can get more complete answers. Your message is nonsense and a cheap shot at Saylor.
Ba bye
Did Saylor hit on your Wife 😂
First thing that comes to mind, haven't they been doing this through the previous bull and also the bear market?
Couldn’t Micro just sell some BTC, pay back all the loans and be sitting on solely cash reserves? We all believe (your channel included) that Bitcoin will rise… so if you and Saylor are correct, nothing to worry about. Am I missing something?
You do not discuss if BTC goes up.Then what would you think of MSTR? Anyone who does their homework knows BTC goes through cycles.... Buy MSTR...expect cycles as well. If you do not like volatility then perhaps MSTR is not for you or BTC for that matter....BUT make no mistake BTC is here to stay.
You’re not talking sense. There’s more chance of success than failure by a long shot.
U forgot to mention that MSTR will only be in trouble if Bitcoin goes bellow 25K, and thats a toll order. Possible but not probable .
Please inform yourself. You are also incorrect on this. MSTR has full on runway for years no matter btc price
How can anyone be bullish on crypto when this is looming?
Smart money was buying...
Dips are for buying NOT for crying.
I bought btc today 😊
@@melissapereira9879 Same here checking pockets of coats and under couch cushions to buy as much as I could. I have spent months regretting not buying as much as possible and will not repeat that mistake again during this golden opportunity to pack my bags at sub $100K.
Really man... You need to erase this video!
Their debt to equity ratio is extremely low. So please stop talking garbage!
Bitcoin demand will keep microstrategy afloat
These videos are getting more and more incompetent by the minute......conclusion: unsubscribe
can you quantify the interest amounts-- pretty certain some of these converts were financed super duper cheaply. BTC would have to drop to about 1/3 of that 61K figure in my view for MSTR to go bust. Definitely a perpetual motion machine but your math is all wrong
I think it would need 2 go down to like $16k
@@yumyum408 think we on the same page.. 1/3 of 61 is ~20k. Directionally I agree w you. I think this is FUD.. I think coinbase not having all the btc or an issue with TradFi handling the custody and settlement of crypto is a far more likely point of failure than MSTR in my humble view
Please go do your own research. MSTR has full on runway for years, NO MATTER THE BTC PRICE.
@@marklarson86 i dunno about no matter the price, but directionally again, I agree they have ample capital
@@jonathansilverman3442 Of course if BTC price goes down to 5,000$ for example... MSTR will fail long term. That's because BTC itself has just failed as a large asset. Not because of liquidation though of MSTR
Blah blah blah… FUD. You are not educated
Sounds like you're angry that you can't afford Bitcoin or even one share of MSTR.
He does sound angry but I believe that all of the FUDs are hoping to frighten the retail sector so that prices will drop so that they can buy back in while the sentiment is in Fear mode. Toby sold off a portion of his BTC at 100 and 105K which is fine, but this take seems very off base given everything we have seen over the years.
would you rather have people who dont care about bitcoin holding huge stacks..am find with saylor having huge bags please leave him alone
bitcoin has just had a 14% pullback and Microstrategy is still standing so your thoery is BS!
Oh man - you cherry pick the worst case and roll further with it. Even if it happened as you said, BTC would have to go that low AND last longer than typical 1.5 year bear market. The pattern is that you're simply grumpy towards all establishment, even if they're on your side with slightly different opinions.
Well, you've identified the next black swan.
The south sea bubble of 1720? Remeber when Jesus walked the earth too? Come on guy...
He just hates on M.S because he is not a Bitcoin O.G purist...
brah did you just bring up 1720? lol .. We are never going below 61k though. You at the top of a new skyscraper and you are yelling OH BOY.."If this thing falls"..lol
And 2 drones already coming at him and all of a sudden, Mike Tyson punches him in the face and Michael Saylor arrives on Spiderman in his arms, because he turned queer. End of the story
USD is crashing...
But i thought we will never see Bitcoin at $60000 again? I thought Bitcoin is going to $1,000,000 by 2030 !
Hehehhe. Yep yep...so which is it
2036 or so. Time is irrelevant
Not sure about your comparison to some company from 100 years ago is overly relevant. Did that company invent the new global standards for exchange of value? No didn't think so.
Does this channel put out uninformed vids like this often? I had watched a few videos over the last week or so and it didn’t seem bad like this.
He’s just uninformed on how the debts work. Saying there’s volatility to the stock that could very well extreme is very different from insinuating it will go bust.
Maybe he’s doing it for the sake of a click batey headline?
Nothing is 100% full proof but no risk no reward. Holding MSTR for at least the next 10 yrs.
If it falls below 60k, I think they just issue more stock as payment
The question is: Are you a BTC believer? Or not? Is MSTR on the same wagon as everyone who believes BTC is going to be the future? I am not here defending MSTR; I am curious if you are going against BTC or crypto. Maybe share your thoughts.
Michael Saylor is a brave man to do what he has done. I commend him.
Thank you for adressing this 👍
Oh yes that South Sea bubble of 1720! Saying it like “duh you didn’t know?” Lol😂
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I suggest you invite him and debate him. I already see some data you got wrong.
Uh, bitcoin wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for ever expanding fiat money supply. What happens if Saylor threatens to burn 99% of his btc by sending it to a dead wallet?
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Toby, you're causing confusion here. You're a strong believer in Bitcoin and have mentioned that the majority of your portfolio is invested in it. But now you're criticizing it because of Michael Saylor? What's your stance now?
But if BTC can only go up...what is the worry?
Reallyyy?? Look to history
@@Emrico35 you guys don’t know how mstr works. It works on volatility.
Sounds like one of you are right. Please set up a debate so he can defend your claims. If you won’t do this then stop spreading your confusing views.
It relies on BTC going up in 4, 5, 6 year terms; not short term. Are you saying BTC will crash and remain crashed 4+ years?
In my opinion Michael Saylor needs to slow his roll a bit because every time he buys the price falls after he stops buying.... maybe instead of buying in chuncks he should commit to a certain amount every day.... that might help with the stability.
Sound like he kicking the same bottle as federal reserve
MicroStrategy BTC liquidation price is $16,700
Yep! U R correct
If Bitcoin follows fibonacci, which it does fairly well, then I'd venture that approximately $120k will be a top and a 50% retracement will be $60k. It did retrace to the 78.6 level at around 16k in this cycle. However, this was before institutional and government investing. I think 60k is the floor going forward. That would place Saylor's investment at break even. However if he continues to buy at these higher levels, that could bring your thesis into being as his cost basis will continue to rise.
His buys have increase as the price has too 👍
120kx3
This ain't it bruh
Saylor opened a worm hole that swallowed your logic.
This bloke hasn’t a clue what he’s on about watch True North Quant bros
Or James on "Invest answers"..very knowledgable
Probably you still thinking in FIAT as your base point. Question: What would a company investing in gold look like with the same scheme 100 years ago? Would it be a good investment?, I think the risk is the world could be discovering a "better" asset than BTC.
INFLATION INCOMING.
The next black swan is around the corner and that is Micro Strategy Off Course. And that will brings the Bitcoin the bottom of next bear market. Hope I will have enough funds to buy that dip.
You’ve now served your purpose and completed your assignment. Best wishes