@@Jordan-xm6wo no those were a high estimate, the *expected* estimate was still an excess of 400,000 casualties, which was more than the entire pacific front combined
FDR would’ve dropped the bomb dude, he authorized its construction in the first place. The Manhattan project ring a bell? It started while he was alive. Those bombs were not built over night, it took a while to make
FDRs original plan was to drop it near a japanese city, not directly on it, many of the scientists on the Manhattan Project were under the impression that was what they were doing, and proyested when they found it was going to be used on cities
@@commanderosis435 They didn't want to drop the ATIMIC BOMB on a civillian zone, they were going to drop it onto somewhere in the kanto plain in order to show off their might, and if they didn't surrender, they were then going to hit civillians.
I feel like woody would be way worse without the show though, like i heard him say a pro gun argument once, don't think that would happen if pka never happened
You are clearly projecting. Beta republicans are always on here being triggered by other opinions. Really thin-skinned. Woody never even gets mad or raises his voice. He even put money on Trump winning the election in '24.
@@Dziugenonas that’s fair. But the US troops would have had to face the same military that’s capable of the atrocities of 731 and the raping of China if the bomb wasn’t dropped. I wasn’t trying to blame the civilians for 731.
@@SouthernArmory the united states threw down the gauntlet in an embargo ultimatum and froze Japanese assets. they knew what they were getting into to save the chinese.
@@zehsackett6132 Yeah the allies were far from perfect, but it’s not fair at all to put the US army and the imperial Japanese army in the same boat. The Japanese Navy and Army hated each other, the navy went by the rules (atleast their own cultural rules of war). While the army was disorganized, full of criminals and unqualified generals. The Japanese army was famous for doing horrific crimes against humanity in many countries. The rape of Nanking is one example, where the army literally raped and murdered millions of civilians in the city after surrender. They played tennis with babies and bayonets. I am against the use of “dirty bombs” but WW2 was a special occasion where mainland invasion of Japan would likely led to 5-10x amount of deaths.
The nuclear bomb was the perfect solution to get japan to surrender, because as many people know it was estimated that if the US invaded japan there would be extremely high casualties, what people don’t know is that the US had anticipated that and made so many Purple Heart medals in preparation of the casualties that they haven’t made any more since, every Purple Heart awarded since was made in 1945 and they’re maybe halfway through their stockpile, unless another world war breaks out its likely that Purple Hearts made in 1945 will still be being awarded in 2045 and beyond
@jacintotorres1649 not officially but you can imagine the potential influence a first Lady could have over the president, especially if the president is not well.
They bombed Nagasaki because the head of defense in the US said they didn't want to destroy historical sights in Kyoto. So the military accepted his orders (plus the added weather issues) so they narrowed it down to Nagasaki.
As I understand it they were originally intent on bombing somewhere else but due to low visibility they had to drop it in a Valley near nagasaki which only partially destroyed the city
@Ihate Utube As opposed to killing civilians in a ground invasion? Or killing civilians with the Air raids that functionally create the same effect the only difference is that more bombs have to be dropped a replicate the nuke? The nuke was dropped on cities that were the main producers of weapons and resources used by the Japanese military. They shut down production so the Japanese could not continue fighting, and after a couple days the Japanese had to surrender. It was really the only thing that they could have done to stop Japan from continuing.
@@alexanderchippel You do realize the plan was actually to drop an atomic bomb on every Japanese city one at a time on a weekly basis until they surrendered right? That is not a measured strategic hit on national resources. That is the planned genocide and forced submission of a population. If Japan by some freak occurrence had never surrendered, Japan today would not exist as anything more than a desolate, irradiated ashland of blasted out mountains and burned dying forests. If that doesn’t tell you what kind of country the United States actually is, nothing will.
He did say the Soviets were the closest thing to ambiguity across the axis enemies (in which I think they were just as evil so entirely ambiguous) I don’t think he defended them
Going off of what woody was trying to mention with the whole “cancer” from the atomic bombs. Atomic and nuclear weapons don’t leave a massive fallout after a detonation (depending on the type of nuclear weapon). They create a fallout for a short period of time within a confined area. Overall the atomic bombing was a better choice for both sides overall (which is hard to say) as it meant less casualties for both the US and Japan. Cause if America invaded japan, more civilians would have died as the Japanese where preparing their own people to charge the American soldiers (kids, women, and seniors alike).
Bombing their civilians was merciful. The soviets were preparing a land invasion of Japan as well, they would of raped every woman in Japan and installed communism aftee they conquered part of it.
@@cahzinarx904 Yeah that’s what bothers me. Eventually when Stalin changed course of the red army to head back east towards Japan, that likely would’ve made the emperor surrender. Japan already knew it was fighting a losing war. Then again if land invasion were to occur, the consequences would’ve made the nuke seem merciful.
It's arguably whether the bombs were necessary but the cities were legitimate targets and it's not much worse than the firebombing of Tokyo civilian death toll wise anyway.
Gotta make their money somehow lmao. Everyone I've ever met in Florida smokes weed, it's like squares here, but the pigs will fuck your whole life up over in in a minute anyway. There are some cities where they don't arrest unless over an ounce now though, but they do in most
We knew it wouldn't ignight the atmosphere. It was something we looked into as to being a possibility but once they did the math on it, it was determined to be an impossibility.
Even when it was an impossibility all of the scientists who believed it would were still biting their tongues on the first test, why else did the US detonate a bomb in space if they knew it was an impossibility? They didn't.
@@cl570 even after they knew nukes wouldn't ignite the atmosphere the scientists that made the Tsar bomb shit their pants because it was way bigger than they thought and they thought they ignited the atmosphere
@@cartho1103 nuclear tests being accidentally way bigger than intended is the most morbidly hilarious thing ever, and it's happened more than once (Castle Bravo). I didn't know the Tsar Bomba was bigger than intended. I thought they actually downsized from 100MT due to atmospheric ignition concerns.
@@Jack-vb4qy never said it was right. I was just saying that because he compared it to 9/11....we wasn't at war with the middle east at that time. We could of let the nuke detonate on impact with would have been catastrophic but we detonated it above the city so they wouldn't feel the full affect
@@Jack-vb4qy Japans war atrocities were worse than hitlers most were hidden and aren’t talked about due to the Japanese using western imperialism and the liberation of Asia as an excuse to take over Asia
I got arrested for possession of weed in high school, I heard the "you never know what's in that stuff, it could be laced" from my whole family cause they thought I needed an intervention the first time I got in trouble for anything... I at that time had been well aware my mom was a pothead for several years and she would always deny it... She even had a heart to heart with me trying to steer me away from weed because she thought she had found some roaches(not the bugs) of her own that she forgot about and convinced herself were from me... I tried and tried to tell her "I don't even know how to roll a joint... I make pipes from soda cans and crush them when I'm done..."
According to the book "Troubling the Waters: Black and Jewish Relations in the 20th Century" by Cheryl Greenberg, most white Americans polled in 1942 would have rather lost the war with Germany than end segregation back home.
The Fire Bombing of Tokyo was directly targeted on civilians and killed as many or more then both of the nukes combined. And that was just one city that was fire bombed. People tend to forget that, and that it was done in the European theater as well, not just the Pacific
After the War: Gentlemen think we can all agree, that things got a bit out of hand, and we have to create a international forum where people can talk, so it will not happen again.
@@MRJTD99 True it is ineffective in many ways. But the general stand has changed so you can not just rewrite your borders just because you can beat up a smaller country or justify it because you found an old document that says you used to own it.
@@steffenjespersen247No, instead you just taken them over financially and make them political vassal states like China does. The end result is still the same.
I like how nobody said that we actually warned them with leaflets dropped in all the cities before we actually Nuked them and the leaflets actually explained why we was gonna do it
@@494Farrell I didn’t even say that we told them we was going to nuke them, we just warned them that we was going to blow up those cities due to military war facilities, you can look of the leaflets on the web and see when and what the leaflets said
7:04 This here is the crux of the matter. Fat Man and Little Boy were dropped to make them surrender, end of story. Unfortunately the Japanese army was under the impression that the US couldn't produce more than one bomb of that magnitude after the first one dropped... which made the 2nd bombing necessary.
no, that was not the logic in doing the second one - they were doing it regardless and had many more planned in the coming weeks and months. because they were convinced japan would not surrender.
The more I watch PKA the more it seems Woody isn't the brightest guy in the room but he sure keeps the group interesting with his different point of view I guess.
We gon' talk about how the US Government then took in the researchers at Unit 731 and gave them a pass to work under 'em? Sure there's some ambiguity on the US side just a little.
The Japanese were training women and children to fight. The japanese emperor was totally willing to let japanese people go extinct to avoid surrendering. So he got his bluff called.
The idea that a bunch of military generals and scientists had no idea what the nuclear bomb would do, even though they had tested it before even using it in battle, its just so stupid.
Honestly, I don’t like woody very much. He gets like 75% of the shit he blabbers about fuckin wrong. I’ve been watching PKA for like a year, and I think it would benefit a lot more if someone like Brandon replaced woody.
I actually like that. Woody unintentionally acts like a guide for someone who doesn’t know much about the subject but desperately wants to talk about it. Taylor, Kyle and even the guest can give Woody and the viewer a proper explanation and educate them on the subject and put on a comedic and relaxed spin. Woody shines in more personal and grounded conversations than in debates about the government or history. I’ve been watching for 2 years and he’s is my favorite host but I will agree that he is a muppet when it comes to topics like these, love the show though.
@@EdwardRatliff I wouldn’t say so much for content, but he could be playing that way to spice up the podcast and make it more flexible going from topic to topic. For me, I can skip to the final topic before they end the show and not have to backtrack in order to get a proper understanding of the subject at hand. Woodys horrible takes unintentionally work as an ace up the shows sleeves in my opinion.
Woody is a decent host, but he sometimes acts as though he's playing devils advocate. Not many would take issue with that if he knew any of what he was talking about. You can tell Kyle has dealt with it for years based on how he disagrees in a way that I or anyone else wouldn't. It would be hard for me (and I assume others) to not tell him to stfu if he has no real knowledge of the facts regarding the topics. But kudos to Kyle being professional in how he handles it. I think Woody plays too big of a role in the show or the "behind the scenes" of it all for him to be replaced but I do agree the show would be much more entertaining if he were to be switched with virtually anyone.
The school didn’t need to do any fear mongering for weed some classmate I’d never spoken to before in health class telling me his dog had cancer but forcibly blew weed smoke in his face everyday and it “cured his cancer bro weed LITERALLY cures cancer bro” for like half an hour during a completely unrelated sex Ed vid made me not wanna touch it until college
Incidentally Woody's not wrong cause the Fire Bombing's killed thousands more than those nukes ever did, the impact though of having people vaporized onto the pavement however lasts forever
Kyle talked about setting Japanese people on fire for 15 minutes when woody was trying to make a point about 9-11. Totally changed the subject for no reason.
Everyone understands his point. Woody's point was "Everyone says 9/11 is so awful because so many civilians were killed but we killed way more civilians then that by dropping the nukes so doesn't that make us worse then terrorists?". While it's certainly true the the US killed a lot of civilians in WW2, what exactly was the alternative? Surrender ourselves? Instead of using bombs sending even more of our soldiers to die? The saying "War is hell" exists for a reason and WW2 was the biggest war in human history so obviously things got about hellish as Earth can get. I'm not saying the nukes was the right decision but WW2 was fucked and it's real easy to nitpick the choices we made in WW2 when it's not our fathers/brothers/sons/friends who were out their dying in absurd numbers.
Japan made these balloons that would drift into the continental US and explode if thry were retrieved. I think only a handful of people died from them. They made a few thousand of them but only 300 actually reached US territory.
They also made ones that would set the pacific northwest forests on fire so the US used the all black 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion as wildland fire fighters to combat the fires
The use of bats carrying incendiary bombs was a proposed idea during World War II called "Project X-Ray," but it was never actually implemented in combat. The idea was to release bats carrying small incendiary devices over Japanese cities, with the hope that they would roost in buildings and start fires. However, the project was ultimately deemed impractical and was abandoned.
I dont know if anyone else said it already in the comments, but a few days before the bombs were dropped, they did leaflet bombs over both cities telling civilians to leave.
There was a guy who was at ground zero where the nuke attack happened in Hiroshima, survived. Turned his back to the bomb. His whole back half is burned, front looks like nothing happen.....
5:10 the allies were the first to start bombing civilians. they bombed 10x the amount as germany did, germany wouldn't target civilians on purpose until the allies left them with no choice.
Not sure how true it is but I’ve heard that the emperor didn’t want the things to happen that did most of the control was in his generals and they basically brainwashed the troops into belief that he was a god and that’s why they fought till death and he was kinda just stuck in the middle of being born into this place of power but not really sure how to use it effectively so his generals just kinda ran everything and caused mass atrocities in his name Ik he lived after the war and didn’t die until much later but was viewed by many in a sorta strange light
I am answering the title. Not even as bad as everyone else during the war. Like seriously people wanna talk about Americans not learning enough about history. But it obvious Americans ended all world wars with the nuclear bombs. Not completely cause anyone can use them but then you know when everyone uses them then we live in a fallout 3 world. Just look at history pick up a book
@@christianhurlburt8436 Are you really being that one buzzkill dude on the internet who’s like “tHatS NoT FunY” on a 5 month old comment? Man just let people enjoy what they enjoy, people have different senses of humor
Woodie is very misinformed. Yes the nukes were needed to get Japan to surrender. He doesn't understand how strong willed the Japanese were and still are. The nukes almost didn't even get Japan to surrender. All other options were exhausted. The US also distributed evacuation orders weeks before the bombs were dropped. They actually had pictures of the nuke explosion on the leaflets they dropped into those cities. The Japanese knew exactly what was coming.
The main reason the bomb was dropped was the psychological implications of the world knowing they have a nuclear bomb and how it would scare Japan into surrendering instead of Americans having to fight for every inch of Japan which means millions more would’ve died then I’d the bombs were dropped
@@walkerallen425 sounds fine on headphones, and if I turn it up real loud on my tv, but if I'm just tryin to watch it on my phone, I can't hear shit on max
Woody needs to read a book. The Japanese tortured and tested on humans in ways that even the nazis were disgusted. Japan basically decimated Nanchang and were r@ping women and children. Not to mention they provoked the us with pearl harbor. Not saying the nuke was justified, just that you can't say the us was the bad guy in the pacific in ww2
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biggest difference though is 911 wasnt 2 countries going at each other. it was a small terrorist group made from a cumulation of multiple countries doing a terrorist attack. An even then as far as the nukes went they gave warning to the people of the area before they dropped them. Which was one of the reasosn why it wasn't as successful as firebombing etc.
Something like 80-90% of major Japanese cities were firebombed in WW2. They specifically chose napalm because of how Japanese cities were constructed, a bunch of wooden buildings that were all connected together. What we did to Japan with fire is literally the reason why napalm is banned by the Geneva convention. I'm really not sure how anybody can look at that and say that we took the moral high ground. The nukes were humane compared to the napalm.
To be fair the us dropped leaflets basically telling the people to evacuate something big is common before the bombs fell. A lot of people over look that when they bring up the topic.
They told the public at least that they dropped leaflets, lol. History is written by victors. Seems to me like the people in charge made that shit up as a counter to any criticism.
@@mr.strugglesnuggle6668 I mean the leaflets are in the museum dedicated to the bombings. You can see them yourself. Plus all the books and journals written by the survivors mentioned it too.
@@catdogsking8658 Yes I'm sure that that's 100% real and not fabricated evidence. The US was the GOOD GUYS after all who definitely didn't firebomb civilian quarters of Tokyo for years in the deadliest bombing to date in an attempt to demoralize Japan into surrender.
- Japan had a biological warfare attack planned in southern California targeting civilians and scheduled for Sept 22 1945. Who knows how devastating that bioweapon attack on a major civilian population center would have been.
It was Woodrow Wilson who had a stroke or something and his wife barred his cabinet from knowing the truth. I'm probably not 100% on the facts but Taylor was talking about Wilson.
I was born in 91. DARE was awful. They told us so many lies and blew everything so far outta proportion that when I was in highschool and saw friends smoking weed, it blew my mind that I was lied to. So I didn't believe anything else they said. NOT a good way to teach kids.
For anyone else who wants to know some more notable dark parts of American history and our warfare practices in general. Lookup Project MK Ultra and Operation Northwoods. MK Ultra is particularly interesting to me and I still wonder to this day what the snowball affect of that operation is in current American affairs. MK essentially stands for Mind Kontrol. At least that's my interpretation of it, I may be wrong. But essentially the CIA began to study how cooperative they could make any 1 individual or group of people through the use of psychedelic drugs and other means of persuasion ( torture, or just other things that fuck with your psyche to see what they could achieve.) They secretly gave psychedelic drugs to CIA employees during the day just to see the effects on them as well as slipping them to civilians without their consent. The movie "Men Who Stare at Goats" is a parody of this period of time. But I would imagine this operation took an even grander scale at some point to see how well they could effect the masses through psychological means. War in the current day is war of subversion. They destroyed all of their files I believe when they were beginning to be investigated for these kind of operations. Most of the data we have now about the project I believe is from people investigating and recording witnesses testimonies. Check it out if you get a chance, truly a mindfuck and something that made me realize that we aren't really the good guys. But no one is really the good guys I guess that's the essence of human nature but damn what a gray area we can live in.
I'm sry but the atomic bomb was used and at the time needed, the casualties would have been astronomical if the us didn't drop the bomb, that sucks civilians died but that's also a fact of war, not to mention they were told several times and they said no surrender
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We were the bad guys in WW2
@@williampierce2482 Japan were the good guys all along
Yea getting your info from PKA is like looking for sobriety in a crack house.
I've been studying history for a long time and what they actually say, especially about japan and the nukes was pretty correct
@@ollend I was talking about the other two guys who were explaining to him
@@patrickstasyszyn291 the 1 million u.s casualties was a created number, every top u.s general was never behind such high figures
@@Jordan-xm6wo no those were a high estimate, the *expected* estimate was still an excess of 400,000 casualties, which was more than the entire pacific front combined
@@skeggi3836 it was as much as the entire casualties we took for the entire war up to that point
FDR would’ve dropped the bomb dude, he authorized its construction in the first place. The Manhattan project ring a bell? It started while he was alive. Those bombs were not built over night, it took a while to make
FDRs original plan was to drop it near a japanese city, not directly on it, many of the scientists on the Manhattan Project were under the impression that was what they were doing, and proyested when they found it was going to be used on cities
Roosevelt was willing to do a lot of things.
@@albar428 They started firebombing in 1942. FDR didnt give 2 shits about civilian casualties.
@@commanderosis435 They didn't want to drop the ATIMIC BOMB on a civillian zone, they were going to drop it onto somewhere in the kanto plain in order to show off their might, and if they didn't surrender, they were then going to hit civillians.
@@albar428 it was total war everyone had to go. Total unequivocal surrender. Nothing less
Woody is the exact person he describes when he talks about people choosing an opinion and then finding facts to support it.
I feel like woody would be way worse without the show though, like i heard him say a pro gun argument once, don't think that would happen if pka never happened
You are clearly projecting. Beta republicans are always on here being triggered by other opinions. Really thin-skinned. Woody never even gets mad or raises his voice. He even put money on Trump winning the election in '24.
I feel like everyone’s like that
Was about to rage when Woody started defending japan until Kyle brought up unit 731. 💁♂️
Glad someone else knows about it.
@Scott Hall without declaring war first on top of that
He was defending Japanese civilians. I know it's naive on his part, but still, unit 731 has nothing to do with what Woody was saying.
@@Dziugenonas that’s fair.
But the US troops would have had to face the same military that’s capable of the atrocities of 731 and the raping of China if the bomb wasn’t dropped. I wasn’t trying to blame the civilians for 731.
@@SouthernArmory the united states threw down the gauntlet in an embargo ultimatum and froze Japanese assets. they knew what they were getting into to save the chinese.
@@Dziugenonas yeah that's honorable if it wasn't coming from Mathew Woodworth. His takes are predicable. Meaning not his own. He's a try-hard 🤡.
Every time I hear Woody talk about history I lose brain cells
The allies killed millions of innocent civilians. If facts about war crimes hurt your brain cells you're a zombie. You're not smart. Stain.
@@zehsackett6132 Yeah the allies were far from perfect, but it’s not fair at all to put the US army and the imperial Japanese army in the same boat. The Japanese Navy and Army hated each other, the navy went by the rules (atleast their own cultural rules of war). While the army was disorganized, full of criminals and unqualified generals. The Japanese army was famous for doing horrific crimes against humanity in many countries. The rape of Nanking is one example, where the army literally raped and murdered millions of civilians in the city after surrender. They played tennis with babies and bayonets.
I am against the use of “dirty bombs” but WW2 was a special occasion where mainland invasion of Japan would likely led to 5-10x amount of deaths.
@@angelgjr1999 Yea one guy had his shins cut off and then his feet reattached to his knees.
@@zehsackett6132 he also killed 50 men
Couldn’t agree more holy shit. Woody is literally the biggest herd follower goddamn
The nuclear bomb was the perfect solution to get japan to surrender, because as many people know it was estimated that if the US invaded japan there would be extremely high casualties, what people don’t know is that the US had anticipated that and made so many Purple Heart medals in preparation of the casualties that they haven’t made any more since, every Purple Heart awarded since was made in 1945 and they’re maybe halfway through their stockpile, unless another world war breaks out its likely that Purple Hearts made in 1945 will still be being awarded in 2045 and beyond
wow thats insane
I am a huge history nut specifically about wars and even i didnt know this
Huh I didn't know that
On a somewhat similar note, the Victoria Cross, Britain's Medal of Honor equivalent, is made from a few cannons captured in the Crimean War.
what we did was a war crime, nothing short, that was not a civilians war to die on
Everyone cries about what we did to Japan and no one realizes we completely reset Germany to the stone age. War is brutal.
It was Woodrow Wilson, he suffered a stroke and his wife did most of the work behind closed doors
Power does not go to the wife
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@jacintotorres1649 not officially but you can imagine the potential influence a first Lady could have over the president, especially if the president is not well.
When Japan kicks out of your finishing move after a 2-count so you have to hit em with it again
There would have been 10x the amount of deaths if the Allies invaded Japan. The nuke was the best outcome
Brandon needs to be a regular
Yeah he can replace that filthy poo si robot idiot that comes on sometimes.
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They bombed Nagasaki because the head of defense in the US said they didn't want to destroy historical sights in Kyoto. So the military accepted his orders (plus the added weather issues) so they narrowed it down to Nagasaki.
As I understand it they were originally intent on bombing somewhere else but due to low visibility they had to drop it in a Valley near nagasaki which only partially destroyed the city
The original target for the "Fat man" atomic bomb is kokura before change to nagasaki due to bad weather there
Why does woody keep doing that with his eyebrows?
So Japanese historical sites are off limits, but timeless German architecture is a-okay?
@@Horgler Yes.
The nukes weren't the right thing to do, they were just the least wrong thing.
Yea everything was FUBAR at that point so we went with what we believed to be the least horrible option for all sides
@Ihate Utube As opposed to killing civilians in a ground invasion? Or killing civilians with the Air raids that functionally create the same effect the only difference is that more bombs have to be dropped a replicate the nuke?
The nuke was dropped on cities that were the main producers of weapons and resources used by the Japanese military. They shut down production so the Japanese could not continue fighting, and after a couple days the Japanese had to surrender.
It was really the only thing that they could have done to stop Japan from continuing.
@@alexanderchippel thank you. Finally someone with some damn sense.
@@alexanderchippel You do realize the plan was actually to drop an atomic bomb on every Japanese city one at a time on a weekly basis until they surrendered right? That is not a measured strategic hit on national resources. That is the planned genocide and forced submission of a population. If Japan by some freak occurrence had never surrendered, Japan today would not exist as anything more than a desolate, irradiated ashland of blasted out mountains and burned dying forests. If that doesn’t tell you what kind of country the United States actually is, nothing will.
It's funny how Kyle talks so confidently about bat bombs. They were never used. They were tested, but deemed ineffective.
Still interesting. He probably got ahead of his memory and thought they were used
Yeah, those wooden doors are real air tight.
And Kyle defending the soviets. Oh my lanta, prime comedy.
He did say the Soviets were the closest thing to ambiguity across the axis enemies (in which I think they were just as evil so entirely ambiguous) I don’t think he defended them
Going off of what woody was trying to mention with the whole “cancer” from the atomic bombs. Atomic and nuclear weapons don’t leave a massive fallout after a detonation (depending on the type of nuclear weapon). They create a fallout for a short period of time within a confined area. Overall the atomic bombing was a better choice for both sides overall (which is hard to say) as it meant less casualties for both the US and Japan. Cause if America invaded japan, more civilians would have died as the Japanese where preparing their own people to charge the American soldiers (kids, women, and seniors alike).
Bombing their civilians was merciful. The soviets were preparing a land invasion of Japan as well, they would of raped every woman in Japan and installed communism aftee they conquered part of it.
@@cahzinarx904 I never thought about this before but you're 100% correct
@@cahzinarx904 Yeah that’s what bothers me. Eventually when Stalin changed course of the red army to head back east towards Japan, that likely would’ve made the emperor surrender. Japan already knew it was fighting a losing war. Then again if land invasion were to occur, the consequences would’ve made the nuke seem merciful.
Modern nuclear bombs don't leave a massive fallout. Fat Man and Little Boy weren't detonated that high so they did contaminate the area for a while.
It's arguably whether the bombs were necessary but the cities were legitimate targets and it's not much worse than the firebombing of Tokyo civilian death toll wise anyway.
Listening to this, I live in Alabama and they really don’t play with marijuana lol
Gotta make their money somehow lmao. Everyone I've ever met in Florida smokes weed, it's like squares here, but the pigs will fuck your whole life up over in in a minute anyway. There are some cities where they don't arrest unless over an ounce now though, but they do in most
@@JM-nt5ex Jesus
@@JM-nt5ex yea man I would be fucjing sketched around Florida copse thank god I live in the west coast hahahha
@Michael Payne It's fine. Not the best.
Woody playing morality checkers as per usual
Libs are out of control
When a conversation starts with "we covered that pretty extensively in high school" it's time to tune out lmao 🤣
Then says condition’s are perfect to firebomb Hanoi. Wrong city wrong country wrong war
@@howey935 Meh, atleast he was only a few thousand miles off.
We knew it wouldn't ignight the atmosphere. It was something we looked into as to being a possibility but once they did the math on it, it was determined to be an impossibility.
Even when it was an impossibility all of the scientists who believed it would were still biting their tongues on the first test, why else did the US detonate a bomb in space if they knew it was an impossibility? They didn't.
@@cl570 even after they knew nukes wouldn't ignite the atmosphere the scientists that made the Tsar bomb shit their pants because it was way bigger than they thought and they thought they ignited the atmosphere
@@cartho1103 nuclear tests being accidentally way bigger than intended is the most morbidly hilarious thing ever, and it's happened more than once (Castle Bravo). I didn't know the Tsar Bomba was bigger than intended. I thought they actually downsized from 100MT due to atmospheric ignition concerns.
If memory is correct theyre still giving out purple hearts made during ww2 because of the number of expected casualties to invade japan.
Woody's eyebrows fascinate me...
He’s always vibing them around, is it a tic of some kind?
@@spaceghost8886 not sure, but you can always tell when he has something on deck to add to the conversation
We was at war with Japan woody.
still doesn’t make it right
@@Jack-vb4qy never said it was right. I was just saying that because he compared it to 9/11....we wasn't at war with the middle east at that time. We could of let the nuke detonate on impact with would have been catastrophic but we detonated it above the city so they wouldn't feel the full affect
@@Jack-vb4qy Japans war atrocities were worse than hitlers most were hidden and aren’t talked about due to the Japanese using western imperialism and the liberation of Asia as an excuse to take over Asia
@@Jack-vb4qy Jews were given barracks with poor conditions the Chinese were given nothing
@@Jack-vb4qy using the nuclear option was well justified enough to use it
I got arrested for possession of weed in high school, I heard the "you never know what's in that stuff, it could be laced" from my whole family cause they thought I needed an intervention the first time I got in trouble for anything... I at that time had been well aware my mom was a pothead for several years and she would always deny it... She even had a heart to heart with me trying to steer me away from weed because she thought she had found some roaches(not the bugs) of her own that she forgot about and convinced herself were from me...
I tried and tried to tell her "I don't even know how to roll a joint... I make pipes from soda cans and crush them when I'm done..."
According to the book "Troubling the Waters: Black and Jewish Relations in the 20th Century" by Cheryl Greenberg, most white Americans polled in 1942 would have rather lost the war with Germany than end segregation back home.
based af
Taylor always cracks me up whatever he’s talking about.
There was a guy that got Nuked twice in Japan. He worked for Mitsubishi I believe.
Yeah I heard that story.
@@frankdux4515 im surprised Frank dux wasnt there after winning the third kumate in a row lol
And survived
The Fire Bombing of Tokyo was directly targeted on civilians and killed as many or more then both of the nukes combined. And that was just one city that was fire bombed. People tend to forget that, and that it was done in the European theater as well, not just the Pacific
The first lady and president they're thinking of isn't FDR, but Edith Wilson, Woodrow Wilson's wife because Woodrow had a stroke late in world War 1
Right! FDR and Eleanor were similar towards the end of his presidency though. Not nearly to the same extent.
After the War:
Gentlemen think we can all agree, that things got a bit out of hand, and we have to create a international forum where people can talk, so it will not happen again.
And thus the biggest joke in all of history was formed
@@MRJTD99 True it is ineffective in many ways.
But the general stand has changed so you can not just rewrite your borders just because you can beat up a smaller country or justify it because you found an old document that says you used to own it.
@@steffenjespersen247No, instead you just taken them over financially and make them political vassal states like China does. The end result is still the same.
I like how nobody said that we actually warned them with leaflets dropped in all the cities before we actually Nuked them and the leaflets actually explained why we was gonna do it
They dropped leaflets warning of general bombings on cities, they didn't explain the city was going to be nuked.
@@494Farrell I didn’t even say that we told them we was going to nuke them, we just warned them that we was going to blow up those cities due to military war facilities, you can look of the leaflets on the web and see when and what the leaflets said
Funny how general Patton said we fought on the wrong side then he “died” from like a heart attack or a car accident
He died from a heart accident after a car attack
@@GenericProtagonist7 thanks for the elaboration i knew it was something along those lines
7:04 This here is the crux of the matter. Fat Man and Little Boy were dropped to make them surrender, end of story. Unfortunately the Japanese army was under the impression that the US couldn't produce more than one bomb of that magnitude after the first one dropped... which made the 2nd bombing necessary.
no, that was not the logic in doing the second one - they were doing it regardless and had many more planned in the coming weeks and months. because they were convinced japan would not surrender.
The more I watch PKA the more it seems Woody isn't the brightest guy in the room but he sure keeps the group interesting with his different point of view I guess.
The more he looks like an idiot the more great topics we end up getting though
We gon' talk about how the US Government then took in the researchers at Unit 731 and gave them a pass to work under 'em? Sure there's some ambiguity on the US side just a little.
The Japanese were training women and children to fight. The japanese emperor was totally willing to let japanese people go extinct to avoid surrendering. So he got his bluff called.
The idea that a bunch of military generals and scientists had no idea what the nuclear bomb would do, even though they had tested it before even using it in battle, its just so stupid.
Woody "America was worse than the nazis"
Honestly, I don’t like woody very much. He gets like 75% of the shit he blabbers about fuckin wrong. I’ve been watching PKA for like a year, and I think it would benefit a lot more if someone like Brandon replaced woody.
I actually like that. Woody unintentionally acts like a guide for someone who doesn’t know much about the subject but desperately wants to talk about it. Taylor, Kyle and even the guest can give Woody and the viewer a proper explanation and educate them on the subject and put on a comedic and relaxed spin. Woody shines in more personal and grounded conversations than in debates about the government or history. I’ve been watching for 2 years and he’s is my favorite host but I will agree that he is a muppet when it comes to topics like these, love the show though.
I wonder if he’s playing Devils advocate just for content??
@@EdwardRatliff I wouldn’t say so much for content, but he could be playing that way to spice up the podcast and make it more flexible going from topic to topic. For me, I can skip to the final topic before they end the show and not have to backtrack in order to get a proper understanding of the subject at hand. Woodys horrible takes unintentionally work as an ace up the shows sleeves in my opinion.
Woody is a decent host, but he sometimes acts as though he's playing devils advocate. Not many would take issue with that if he knew any of what he was talking about. You can tell Kyle has dealt with it for years based on how he disagrees in a way that I or anyone else wouldn't. It would be hard for me (and I assume others) to not tell him to stfu if he has no real knowledge of the facts regarding the topics. But kudos to Kyle being professional in how he handles it. I think Woody plays too big of a role in the show or the "behind the scenes" of it all for him to be replaced but I do agree the show would be much more entertaining if he were to be switched with virtually anyone.
@@shinigamitkd I agree 1000%
The school didn’t need to do any fear mongering for weed some classmate I’d never spoken to before in health class telling me his dog had cancer but forcibly blew weed smoke in his face everyday and it “cured his cancer bro weed LITERALLY cures cancer bro” for like half an hour during a completely unrelated sex Ed vid made me not wanna touch it until college
Incidentally Woody's not wrong cause the Fire Bombing's killed thousands more than those nukes ever did, the impact though of having people vaporized onto the pavement however lasts forever
Kyle talked about setting Japanese people on fire for 15 minutes when woody was trying to make a point about 9-11. Totally changed the subject for no reason.
Everyone understands his point. Woody's point was "Everyone says 9/11 is so awful because so many civilians were killed but we killed way more civilians then that by dropping the nukes so doesn't that make us worse then terrorists?". While it's certainly true the the US killed a lot of civilians in WW2, what exactly was the alternative? Surrender ourselves? Instead of using bombs sending even more of our soldiers to die? The saying "War is hell" exists for a reason and WW2 was the biggest war in human history so obviously things got about hellish as Earth can get. I'm not saying the nukes was the right decision but WW2 was fucked and it's real easy to nitpick the choices we made in WW2 when it's not our fathers/brothers/sons/friends who were out their dying in absurd numbers.
Kyle what the fuck? "The only ambiguity was the soviets" what the fuck?
Japan made these balloons that would drift into the continental US and explode if thry were retrieved. I think only a handful of people died from them. They made a few thousand of them but only 300 actually reached US territory.
They also made ones that would set the pacific northwest forests on fire so the US used the all black 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion as wildland fire fighters to combat the fires
China
Is Taylor in joe rogans old studio?
No. He’s just in someone’s rectum. Is does look like joe’s studio though
@@larsham5877 hahahahaha 1 in the same.
DARE was so whack we started smoking weed afterwards
The use of bats carrying incendiary bombs was a proposed idea during World War II called "Project X-Ray," but it was never actually implemented in combat. The idea was to release bats carrying small incendiary devices over Japanese cities, with the hope that they would roost in buildings and start fires. However, the project was ultimately deemed impractical and was abandoned.
I dont know if anyone else said it already in the comments, but a few days before the bombs were dropped, they did leaflet bombs over both cities telling civilians to leave.
There was a guy who was at ground zero where the nuke attack happened in Hiroshima, survived.
Turned his back to the bomb.
His whole back half is burned, front looks like nothing happen.....
5:10 the allies were the first to start bombing civilians. they bombed 10x the amount as germany did, germany wouldn't target civilians on purpose until the allies left them with no choice.
Is it just me or is Woody sending Morse code with his eyebrow movements.
Not sure how true it is but I’ve heard that the emperor didn’t want the things to happen that did most of the control was in his generals and they basically brainwashed the troops into belief that he was a god and that’s why they fought till death and he was kinda just stuck in the middle of being born into this place of power but not really sure how to use it effectively so his generals just kinda ran everything and caused mass atrocities in his name
Ik he lived after the war and didn’t die until much later but was viewed by many in a sorta strange light
I am answering the title. Not even as bad as everyone else during the war. Like seriously people wanna talk about Americans not learning enough about history. But it obvious Americans ended all world wars with the nuclear bombs. Not completely cause anyone can use them but then you know when everyone uses them then we live in a fallout 3 world. Just look at history pick up a book
People complain that we intervened, but would complain if we didn't. I don't listen to them because they're imbeciles.
People complain that we intervened, but would complain if we didn't. I don't listen to them because they're imbeciles.
The taser joke with the nukes was fucking hilarious
Not really he’s so dumb
@@christianhurlburt8436 Are you really being that one buzzkill dude on the internet who’s like “tHatS NoT FunY” on a 5 month old comment? Man just let people enjoy what they enjoy, people have different senses of humor
Woodie is very misinformed. Yes the nukes were needed to get Japan to surrender. He doesn't understand how strong willed the Japanese were and still are. The nukes almost didn't even get Japan to surrender. All other options were exhausted. The US also distributed evacuation orders weeks before the bombs were dropped. They actually had pictures of the nuke explosion on the leaflets they dropped into those cities. The Japanese knew exactly what was coming.
Dresden Was pretty atrocious, read slaughterhouse five it’s a good book
I like the fact he has a causal rpg in the background lol
AK Jezus with Kyle is something I've always needed 🤙😎
Brandon Herrera looks like he ate Brandon Herrera.
Being a daily smoker in Alabama. Kyle's words kinda make me wanna quit
Dale gribble was the smoking hero of cartoons! Or excuse me, i mean Rusty Shakelford
unit 731
They dropped pamphlets telling the people to leave in Japan
“We’re they smoking or are they gay. It’s gay to smoke”
The main reason the bomb was dropped was the psychological implications of the world knowing they have a nuclear bomb and how it would scare Japan into surrendering instead of Americans having to fight for every inch of Japan which means millions more would’ve died then I’d the bombs were dropped
Can you audio boost these it’s on max and so quiet
Idk I'm under 3/4 and sounds fine and usually I have the volume maxed for other channels
Couple episodes ago, they were all talking about this expensive audio equipment, but I can't ever hear anything.
Everything sounds fine on my end. I usually listen on my phone or computer, maybe check what you're using to listen for audio problems.
@@walkerallen425 sounds fine on headphones, and if I turn it up real loud on my tv, but if I'm just tryin to watch it on my phone, I can't hear shit on max
@@Bigbilly-ms9bn then get your ears checked.
We are significantly worse off for having “won.” We all lost.
Woody needs to read a book. The Japanese tortured and tested on humans in ways that even the nazis were disgusted. Japan basically decimated Nanchang and were r@ping women and children. Not to mention they provoked the us with pearl harbor. Not saying the nuke was justified, just that you can't say the us was the bad guy in the pacific in ww2
Gotta love Kyle making up the word "analyzation"
7:46
He'll make up whatever damn words he fancies coming out of that pretty mouth 👀
But analyzation is an actual word 🤣
@@3spanishfreaks970 the act or an instance of analyzing something : a result of analyzing something : analysis The system has also allowed for data collection and analyzation …-
pick up a dictionary
Poor Brandon.
Every time woody raises his eyebrows he is giving the que to exicute a puppy.
Unit 731 and the rape of Nanking took the Japanese past the Nazis in terms of brutality
Did you hear about the guy that literally survived both of the A bombs? This literally happened.
it just really sucks that all that history was lost from the cities being burned down and completley wiped away
biggest difference though is 911 wasnt 2 countries going at each other. it was a small terrorist group made from a cumulation of multiple countries doing a terrorist attack.
An even then as far as the nukes went they gave warning to the people of the area before they dropped them. Which was one of the reasosn why it wasn't as successful as firebombing etc.
The nuclear bombs were a sign to surrender. Lord knows what else the Manhattan Project was doing and what else we had.
God damnit, Woody!!!
America: bombs everything
911: happened
America : *surprised pikachu face*
Japan: extremely horrible atrocities against fellow humans
Hiroshima and Nagasaki: happened
Japan: *surprised pikachu face*
Something like 80-90% of major Japanese cities were firebombed in WW2. They specifically chose napalm because of how Japanese cities were constructed, a bunch of wooden buildings that were all connected together. What we did to Japan with fire is literally the reason why napalm is banned by the Geneva convention. I'm really not sure how anybody can look at that and say that we took the moral high ground. The nukes were humane compared to the napalm.
5:00 yea woody... thats what bombs do
To be fair the us dropped leaflets basically telling the people to evacuate something big is common before the bombs fell. A lot of people over look that when they bring up the topic.
They told the public at least that they dropped leaflets, lol. History is written by victors. Seems to me like the people in charge made that shit up as a counter to any criticism.
@@mr.strugglesnuggle6668 I mean the leaflets are in the museum dedicated to the bombings. You can see them yourself. Plus all the books and journals written by the survivors mentioned it too.
@@catdogsking8658 Yes I'm sure that that's 100% real and not fabricated evidence. The US was the GOOD GUYS after all who definitely didn't firebomb civilian quarters of Tokyo for years in the deadliest bombing to date in an attempt to demoralize Japan into surrender.
The Montana meth project ads are hardcore man
I'm gonna be real, I thought his name was "Franklin Elenore Roosevelt" until about 5 minutes ago....
Unit 731
- Japan had a biological warfare attack planned in southern California targeting civilians and scheduled for Sept 22 1945. Who knows how devastating that bioweapon attack on a major civilian population center would have been.
It was Woodrow Wilson who had a stroke or something and his wife barred his cabinet from knowing the truth. I'm probably not 100% on the facts but Taylor was talking about Wilson.
Has woody always had the eyebrow tic thing? I’ve only noticed it in this episode
Cocaine for you
Yes, it's always been there. Once you notice it, you'll never unsee it.
Mur mur woody un-murican mur mur
I didn't know that those random japaronis in Hiroshima and Nagasaki we're personally responsible for Unit 731.
lmao brandon
I was born in 91. DARE was awful. They told us so many lies and blew everything so far outta proportion that when I was in highschool and saw friends smoking weed, it blew my mind that I was lied to. So I didn't believe anything else they said. NOT a good way to teach kids.
For anyone else who wants to know some more notable dark parts of American history and our warfare practices in general.
Lookup Project MK Ultra and Operation Northwoods.
MK Ultra is particularly interesting to me and I still wonder to this day what the snowball affect of that operation is in current American affairs.
MK essentially stands for Mind Kontrol. At least that's my interpretation of it, I may be wrong.
But essentially the CIA began to study how cooperative they could make any 1 individual or group of people through the use of psychedelic drugs and other means of persuasion ( torture, or just other things that fuck with your psyche to see what they could achieve.) They secretly gave psychedelic drugs to CIA employees during the day just to see the effects on them as well as slipping them to civilians without their consent. The movie "Men Who Stare at Goats" is a parody of this period of time. But I would imagine this operation took an even grander scale at some point to see how well they could effect the masses through psychological means. War in the current day is war of subversion. They destroyed all of their files I believe when they were beginning to be investigated for these kind of operations. Most of the data we have now about the project I believe is from people investigating and recording witnesses testimonies.
Check it out if you get a chance, truly a mindfuck and something that made me realize that we aren't really the good guys. But no one is really the good guys I guess that's the essence of human nature but damn what a gray area we can live in.
“Woody being proven wrong for 10 minutes”
Ambiguity with the Soviets? They were fighting for their lives lol!!
Actually I think it was around 300 000 mostly from thyroid and allied bombings
Lets be honest the soviets were a wildcard
I'm sry but the atomic bomb was used and at the time needed, the casualties would have been astronomical if the us didn't drop the bomb, that sucks civilians died but that's also a fact of war, not to mention they were told several times and they said no surrender
Was there an episode of Recess where Randall smoked?
Taser taser taser
*mushroom cloud*