THE NEW "DUPONT LAW"??! | WHAT ARE FRANCE UP TO?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2025
- I'm not sure, but have we just uncovered the latest legal loophole which France are trying to exploit. They have proven themselves very good at engineering ways to get around World Rugby's constant law changing. Is THIS the newest innovation in France? Will we see it spread like the last 'Dupont Law'?
I can only apologise for the terrible mistake. It is unforgivable. I must do better...and i will.
It was A New Hope not Empire Strikes Back! 😅
The line was wrong as well but don’t worry about it 😂.
the impression was 8/10
Spot on Alec Guiness impersonation IMHO though!
These 3 players are off-side.
The opposing team captain should point it to the ref before his teammates smash them into Dupont
@@EggchasersRugby « Apology accepted Captain Needa! » 😅
French fan here: love your analysis of the Rugby game in general. You're a lot less biased than so many other guys on YT. You have a knack for seeing thru the commentary noise and getting to the heart of the matter. Case in point, your analysis of the attacking wall protecting AD. Other YTers would have drown the explanation with a thousand details just to show off their analysis skills. You keep things simple, which is what the master does.
But he is wrong all the same.
And bias.
The welsh defenders are seen stuck in the mud, with no attempt to go forward towards Dupont. Nobody is actually preventing them from doing so.
While Dupont being known to move lateraly and fast, of course he remains free to deliver caviar passes.
Great game by the french. Nothing wrong there.
@@ghislainegautreau1427 exactly what Eggchaser is saying. Can't blame the French for reading the book of law, and certainly can't blame them for encountering a passive Welsh defense.
I have to say I spotted this in real time, and was a bit surprised that the ref missed it. It's patently blocking in the same way that hanging around either on or in front of the back foot (as the saffers were doing in the clip) is patently blocking. It doesn't need a new law to make it illegal, it just needs refs enforcing the existing laws. Otherwise we're might as well decamp to the NFL.
@ I think Eggchasers point is precisely that it is not illegal because the players are static. Just a clever interpretation of the rules.
i don't know if the Welsh's defense is to blame that much. In a blink of an eye it's hard to decide what to do and Dupont keeps them guessing all the times. A bit passive but understandable.
"This is not the law you are looking for!" said France to World Rugby with a gentle "Force Like" wave of the hand.
hahaha
Great spot Tim. Didn’t notice at all myself
it is quite subtle
Love this slightly more technical content. Great insight and explanation.
It would have been technical if the welsh static defence was analysed too. That is clearly overlooked to dwell into some too familiar french bashing.
@ I think I can safely say that Tim is hugely admiring of the French team and set-up, and of this innovation. No need to be offended by the video. The bigger target is World Rugby’s constant, short-sighted meddling. And, yeah, the Welsh defence were very naive. If this happens again in the tournament, a smart defender will just run into a ‘blocker’, throw his arms up, fall over, and get a penalty.
You're absolutely right with that comparison to American Football, Tim. When I saw this play, I was immediately thinking of offensive lineman dropping back to pass block.
Dupont looked like he was able to play like a quarter back. Also of course he's not being harried by the opposition scrum half any longer.
Welsh defenders at fault.
Move forward quickly to catch the fast little guy!
Guess who had time with gridiron last year too ... AD !!! lol
@@timadams8583 Dupont can beat Djokovic just by practising judo for 6 months. There's nothing he can't do.
I wondered at the time why Dupont had so much time for that kick. It's great to see it explained!
Ah Tim .. absolutely in point as always .. great spot .. not against anyone finding an edge .. looking forward to seeing how teams react to this.
Thanks! You are an inspiration. I have watched your videos on my previous TH-cam channel and i got to say you are my favorite! As Rugby fanatic i started my own Rugby channel in hopes to reach my dream to watch a match any match it doesnt even have to be the Springboks. I just want to experience watching a World Cup match. Thanks again!
Really enjoying the analysis and inclusion of game footage in the last couple videos. Keep it up, love the channel 👍
French fan here. I saw the title of the video, and i knew exactly what you were talking about. During the game i was confused that it wasn’t a screen.
agree, if the defensive player runs into the player its.a sheppard surely,
Same
You can't rules all the men moves to bend them to you desires. You can also simply see dupont running behind them.
It's obstruction!
Dupont does that everytime ( to carry the ball few steps after a ruck looking for opportunities ) but now it seems like he might be shielded.
I noticed it too during the game and it has the added advantage that it drew the defensive players towards Dupont to close gaps where he was running and stop him cutting inside towards the try line - meaning there was even less cover outside for the kick pass... brilliant.
As usual excellent 👍 🇨🇵
C'est tout-à-fait vrai. Les Français jouent enfin avec les règles ;).
Les Irlandais le font depuis 5 ans !
Les anglais le faisaient déjà pour Wilkinson dans les années 2000, il est quand même bien faux cul notre ami briton de ne pas être capable de décider si c'est de la triche ou du génie. MacCaw qui venait foutre la merde sur le coté des rucks, ça c'était de la triche !
Tout à fait d'accord sur ce que tu dis sur les incessants changements de règles. WR devrait laisser les équipes s'adapter dans un sens comme dans l'autre. Si une équipe trouve la parade à la nouvelle règle, c'est à l'autre équipe de trouver une contre-parade.
Excellente analyse, Tim, merci.
Il passe sciemment sous silence le problème de la défense galloise, complètement statique.
Son analyse est donc biaisée, sous entendant en plus plusieurs fois la tricherie soit disant familière des français.
C'est calomnieux. Sans complexe.
Ne le félicitez pas.
Ça traduit de sa part une frustration et une jalousie.
@@ghislainegautreau1427 "Ne le félicitez-pas" -> 😄😂(sans moquerie)
Il me semble que ni lui ni moi (toutes proportions gardées ;) ne souhaitons tirer sur une ambulance.
D'autre part, soupçonner Tim de jalousie envers les Bleus n'est pas sérieux. Il est un des plus fervents admirateurs du rugby FRA, comme le démontrent toutes les vidéos qu'il y consacre. Elles sont nombreuses et il a même créé une chaîne spéciale sur notre Ovalie.
Mais ce n'est pas pour cela que je le soutiens, c'est pour la pertinence de ses analyses, qui me plaisent à MOI.
Malgré l'amour que je porte au maillot Bleu, j'essaie de garder un oeil objectif et dépassionné et ne suis pas fan "inconditionnel" de qui que ce soit.
(Et je me méfie toujours de la Perfide Albion, n'ayez crainte. 😋)
@@ghislainegautreau1427 Give a rest he was really just saying the the French worked out how to make new rule beneficial for themselves.
Definitely the best Rugby channel on TH-cam.
with "up rugby". in french.
Cracking observation Tim....
I noticed that too, very interesting to see Dupont purposely running sideways and eating up the space
Tim, love your analysis! You are making us all smarter 🏉
Great insights Tim. No doubt all the other six nations countries are watching your podcasts for some defensive / offensive analysis.
I doubt coaches need to see rugby fan TH-camrs to do their jobs
The constant law changing and correcting reminds me of the episode of Father Ted where Ted tries to repair a dent in the bodywork of a car. There's no end to it......
As a Bok fan; I have to admit that it's clever!:something that Rassie would have done!!!
Bien joué, la France !
Another great analysis, well done Tim!
Love this, keep calling this stuff out !
Brilliant analysis Tim ! More of this please 🙂
Have you uncovered another gem? A whole new thread of videos. How are rugby coaches leveraging tactical insights from other contact sports like American Football? Next evolution of this channel: interview rugby coaches.
And every year, I say I'll order the rugby union rule book but then decide I'll wait for the updated version... one day
haha
No need to buy a hard copy. There's always an up-to-date PDF version available on World Rugby's website.
Just wait till they change it from the laws to the rules
@@HiltokThink you've missed the joke
Great shout, very interesting to see new ideas like this come into play.
Spot on, Tim. You're 100% correct re: WR tinkering. Thanks for the vid.
I can’t thank you enough. I’m a rugby fan in the US and I have nothing to learn from except watching the games themselves. No news, no pregame & etc. This really opened my eyes. I would never have noticed it. Now if someone could concisely explain scrum penalties….haha.
Love the new look, couch to office! Next stop SuperSport🤙🏻 Great analysis as always Tim
That's brillant. thanks. I noticed that the French defense is not consuming players on the rucks. They don't contest the ball. It gives them a reservoir of players to defend and build a defensive wall, and it avoids penalties. They pushed Wales to pass that defensive wall with kicks. Good way to get back the ball.
Very good analysis 👍
Well analyzed, Tim. We were always coached to play on the edge of the laws and, at times, test the refereeing by intentionally overstepping them.
The fact that this was successfully exploited is a testament to great coaching. It's similar to situations where a player doesn’t release the ball on the ground because the opposition is holding on, making it impossible to do so, or when a pass had to be thrown strictly backward, regardless of momentum or hand position.
The constant changes to the laws are only creating more opportunities for them to be exploited.
Or as my captain said, "You do it until the referee makes you stop."
Its so simple but effective, you'll see teams incorporating this into their game plans now.
This is a pure rugby league tactic and quite legal in the 13-a-side game ; it is no surprise considering who France's defence coach is.
That's a GREAT point!
That would definitely be given as shepherding in RL, they're far more strict on the ball carrier going behind a stationary team mate. It would only be allowed in RL if that line of forwards ran through the defensive line without impeding any defenders, at which point they'd also be declared as being "downtown" so couldn't be played onside during that phase/tackle.
It's actually very much banned in rugby League. A player would have to go to ground if they ran behind a team mate or hand the ball over. May still be something Edwards pointed out though.
Sadly the best defence coach England never had. Not old school enough.
No it isn't, rugby league is a lot more strict when it comes to obstruction and shepherding. Union is behind in some aspects, so there are things in union that can be exploited.
Squidge picked up on this too and its blatantly a planned play. You are right. But who else can be as deadly when they are, as you pointed out, "Running backwards and sideways"? This type of movement by a halfback would normally be a coach-killer and usually screams of panic at the back. But this is the Jedi master here, who can win matches running backwards and sideways in a game that is about going forwards. What a time we live in.
More great analysis Tim, keep it coming
I'm French and agree this screen is more than cheeky.
Imho, a player ahead of the ball carrier is off-side so a defender should just run at the ball carrier, hit a blocker in his way and call for an obstruction.
Now please don't say the French are more pros than others to these rules tweaks. In your examples we saw South Africa and England teams so I'd say, as you mentioned, it's a common flaw in high competitive play in general (see half the Argentina squad spending the game off side in the opening game of the 2007 World Cup).
Anyway, just my 2 cts.
Good video. Cheers!
Good spot Tim. Absolutely agree with your conclusion.
All the changes makes it increasingly difficult to referee too, and its already hard enough
I think that comes under “no harm, no foul”.
It’s definitely crossing, but since no Welsh player actually tried to tackle Dupont, there’s no penalty.
If a defender shot out of the line to go for him (like how Ireland generally do) and were impeded, I think the ref would’ve called it
That is a clever move from France to protect Dupont and they haave used since 2020!
Not really. All opposition sides have to do is run into one of those players who are technically offside
@@PB22559 They are not offside behind the ruck in any way at all !
Not true, they are standing still, they have to stand somewhere.@PB22559
@@PB22559 No ruck anymore, no offside. Perfectly legal.
@@PB22559 Yes you're right!
Very good analysis.
I noticed that in the match too and was amazed they didn’t get called out at least once for shepherding. It was SO close on a few occasions.
Bloody genius, well done for spotting it 😊
When I saw the title I assumed you were referring to the new law that allows Dupont to pass the ball forward!!! In all seriousness, love your content Tim, keep up the good work.
Only allowed with a Kiwi ref - as it is pretty much standard down there
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copium
Jealous
Great observation, Tim
BEST RUGBY SHOW BRU, thanks!!! All the way from🇿🇦go bokke!!
What a great insight, well done for pointing it out.
You are spot on, it was very obvious on Friday night!
Is it any different to back lines running ahead of the ball whilst it’s ’played out of the back’? For the record, I also think those ‘clever back lines’ are also often there to shepherd the ball carrier.
Great video and well presented description of the issue(?). I agree totally that the laws need to be left alone as much as possible and just let the players (and coaches) get on with it.
Hello, I didn't see and analyse it your way, but I think you're right ! Thank you.🙏
You are absolutely right, french players did play with rules. But in this match in particular, Dupont had a lot of time on the ball, especially because the defense never really pressured him, as the forwards were completely overpowered.
Dupont has his own style of play which, added to his Seven fresh experience and maybe his visit to American Los Angeles Chargers last september, can still improve.
A sort of static crossing? If a defender runs straight into one of those standing French players can he claim that the tackle is impeded and so win a penalty?
I suspect this is precisely what will happen if it becomes a regular thing
Fair shout.
Then the ref will have to establish if it is a voluntary or deliberate obstruction or not.
@@EggchasersRugby I think it's a bit like in basketball. Moving screens are prohibited, static screens are absolutely legal. You can't ask these big bodies to vanish. As a ref, I would only call a screen if the potentially offending player moved.
Like the bad driver who claims it's the tree's fault because it was just...there.
Good spot Tim. I did notice the wee man making several cross field runs ----- now I see why.
They'll all be doing it next weekend 😢
Perhaps, but why would France unveil their cross-field tactic against a team they were expected to defeat anyway? Revealing it would give stronger opponents the chance to counter and neutralize it. Unless, of course, it's a deliberate decoy-baiting England, Scotland, and Ireland to focus on this strategy while concealing their real game-changing moves.
I saw that too. They create a barrier so the defenders cannot reach the ball carrier. It happens in the back line too where players that does not receive the ball runs forward to obstruct the view of the defenders
The defenders are not obstructed but do not move at all !
It gives the wrong impression that Dupont is being protected.
The truth is he is just very fast moving and passing the ball.
Excellent !!! I did not noticed it ! But I was told it is a Shaun Edwards idea !🤣
Thats a nice Martin Johnson statue behind you Tim
I remember shouting thst it was obstruction during the game but i hadn't appreciated that the french firwards weren't moving! Nice analysis
Some rugby experts in France call ad the French team quarterback… and it is exactly that …
To be fair, some rules are nice additions. The 50 22 for example. But we are in danger of a very complicated sport getting beyond casual viewing at times
As soon as Antoine doesn't pass, the defenders may as well run through the gaps to block him off. I think it might be possible to counter this play, but we will have to wait and see
It should also become immediately obvious to the defensive winger that a kick is about to come, giving him more time to position himself
Would only take a grubber and sprint through then your forwards are back onside and the defender on the wrong side...
Hi, I think you're right seeing the sequence when Dupont runs behind a nice forward screen as a little tricky. Knowing it, what about the others 6 nations team gonna do? We'll look at it next time.
100% in agreement, I saw that and I thought "something's not right here".
Great video. Well spotted.
Brilliant, astute analysis, Eggchasers! It's simply the evolution of rugby, using the same laws that evolution itself always has; namely, how to get ahead and out-survive the competition. If I can do that, I will. If I can't, I lose. You have picked up on the evolution of the French team, relative to other teams (their competitors), relative to the Governing Body they all play under. It's simply evolution, baby! You have my subscription (As a Rassie Erasmus, Springbok fan).
Thank you for that analysis, I noticed people in front of the ball kicker but I wasn't able to verbalisei tl ike this. When he kicked, the set play was over, so were the forwards there offside?
Excellent spot
Nice catch, looks very deliberate ploy
great point....I love that it is called the "Dupont Law" or ? maybe the "Dupont Wall"
To be fair the obstruction thing was really a law change, as these those actions were always illegal under the rules for offside. What happened is that World Rugby instructed the referees to start applying the laws again
Playing with the rule. I love that !! Fine and subtile french patterns.
South Africa does il too. But they are rough and brutal. No way.
Well, spotted Tim .. 🇿🇦
Complètement d'accord avec vous. Ce jeu du chat et de la souris est sans fin. Dès qu'une loi apparait, elle cherche à être optimisée par toutes les équipes du monde, et à tous les niveaux... Voilà que les équipes commencent à intégrer les nouvelles contraintes que, Hop!, on change à nouveau les règles... Même en tant que spectateur c'est usant...
A couple of points: 1. the 'if you strike me down' quote wasn't from Empire Strikes Back, it was from A New Hope (important rugby union info!) 2. If you want a simple, fast game of football with the winner almost always being the team that scores most tries, choose rugby league!
this validates some things i've noticed, not from france specifically, but when the big international teams all started using this type of shape. It looked wierd for this very reason. Running a small pod at the defence, even if they're expecting to get a pass but don't, is a legal opportunity for obstruction.
Very good analysis and clearly explained for a Frenchman like me 😂 thank you
I too noticed the cover given to Dupont. Running behind one of your players is obstrucfion; running behind three of your players is taking the p.
I hear what you're saying but I think that because he is not running towards the defensive line, the players in position are not considered 'écran' as we call it in French, maybe it's called 'shield' in English? I'm not sure. That would be penalised and this is not.
The welsh were slow. No, sorry, they were stuck in the mud. No move forward to catch him.
End of the story.
@@ghislainegautreau1427 I agree !
@@nicolaskluzek écran = screen
@@user-aero68 Thanks a lot! So obvious I didn't think about it lol!...All that to say that running a parallel line to the defense, 2 steps behind your players is not considered a 'screen'
and that explains how perfect AD kick pass was perfect
Great spotting Tim…have seen many analysis/channels about last weekend games and nobody spotted this one! Difficult to call this an obstruction, the players are just there, motionless and not participating to the players. They may be considered outside? There was another occurrence when Alldritt was located in front of DuPont which opened the way for the second or the third try.
Agreed
They are offside, it's what annoys me most about kids running backwards with the ball - you put half your team offside. Imagine if someone spots the run and smashes French Tony behind the blockers- you've then got three players offside, interfering with play - arguably three offences in one should add up to a pen and a yellow?
The key thing in the laws is the use of the word intentional. This is intentional and, therefore, not allowed.
Well spotted Tim , keep up the good work .I do think this year the top teams to beat will be all blacks & France .
OMG 😯I see what you mean , well spotted 👏👏, I wonder will other teams spot this !! ☘☘
Very well spotted there Tim...kudus to you...hope Rassie & Couching Staff picks-up on this...probably yes I guess...Rassie doesn't miss a lot!!
Squidge rugby picked up on this too! I hadn’t seen this myself during the match! For one of their tries, this little tactic meant that Adams actually couldn’t defend it… there was no good place for him to be!
well spotted! I did not noticed it during hte match nor realize the impact in terms of screening and protection
Tim when ever a game has finished and I'm scrolling through the various rugby TH-cam channels, yours is my go-to first. I wonder, have opposition teams spotted this?
Like ur analysis through video
You had me at “Star Wars..”
Fabulous stuff. Spot on. But I love it🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 go go go France 🇫🇷 let’s see what England can do 😅
Not real innovation, but constant adaptation to World Rugby tinkering laws since few years. Problems is how much teams are building strategies through these changes. In 2022, France game was mainly based on "depossession" as WR rules allowed much more ruck contests, Then the law changed in 2023, and France had to quickly adapt before the World Cup. This "Dupont" rule seems less influential, but the use of these shields will be interesting to follow in each selection.
If it looks wrong, it usually is. Law 9.3 "A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier", is the law you're looking for. Wales were just too weak in defence to actually put pressure on the French line. A decent side would have pressed more and made the ref realise which law was being broken.
It was A New Hope Tim, not Empire Strikes Back.
There is no obstruction if you are not moving to build it. Being static can't be an obstruction.
Well spotted that man!!!!!
Welsh players made no effort to get to Dupont. They were ball watching so cannot be obstruction. Giving a player like Dupont all that time to execute the play is going to end as it did. Poor defensive awareness by Welsh.
What sorcery is this France!!
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Jealousy
@@ghislainegautreau1427 lol