Best Infantry Unit? Infantry Tier List for Mount & Blade 2: Bannerlord
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Lets rank all of the Bannerlord Cavalry units on a tier system to determine what is the best infantry unit! Today we'll go over my placements for all of the Infantry in Mount & Blade 2: Bannerlord from D tier to S tier
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0:00 Intro & Summary
1:48 Vlandian Infantry Ranking
4:28 Battanian Infantry Ranking
10:38 Khuzait Infantry Ranking
14:04 Sturgian Infantry Ranking
18:42 Empire Infantry Ranking
22:44 Aserai Infantry Ranking
27:46 Infantry Tier List
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Another fantastic video! Your videos have helped me so much with this game. I’m still kinda new tho so I was wondering if you could answer a few questions or or maybe a make a video out of these topics or point me to the guide that covers it? I’m having trouble with more advanced battle tactics. For example you mentioned how the wildlings are good at the skirmish role or a great flank unit but I don’t know how to order them to skirmish or even section them out into their own group to make them flank. Similarly I have trouble micro my cav to protect flanks but the ai does it just fine. Is there a way for me to order them to defend archers or to attack certain targets other than just charge or engage? Finally I feel like I am missing information when it comes to defending and attacking settlements. Currently I just put them in the ai control because I can’t figure out how to get them to interact with siege engines or defend certain sections of walls. Especially archers when I put them up on the walls they stay clumped up until I give up and just give control back to the ai that’s when they spread out and start shooting haha. And sometimes when I give control back to the ai the ai switches around all their formations and the time and strategy I spent splitting them up and placing them for the battle goes to waste haha. Sorry that may be too much but let me know if you can help with any of those questions!!
Thx for your insight, helps alot.
Good video but why do you jate axes so much (at least in mount and blade). Theyre just the jack of all trades. Swords are bad against armor but have speed and range axes are better against armor because the game sctually gives them a higher impact force concentration and their swingspeed is higher. Maces have the worst stats but excell against plate armor specifically because of their blunt damage. But since no troops have a great amount of platearmor (most have only helmets categorized as plate) axes are fine against most troops. Axes give bonus against shields aswell. Also a shorter weapon is beneficial to the AI except on horseback
@@theoneandonly3435 Personally? i fucking love them. The AI just seems to struggle with them with the most recent change to the AI, I hate it because I love them so much hahaha
@@italianspartacus ah sry i didnt mean hating them personally i meant giving them hate regarding their usefulness in mount and blade. I guess thats more precise, sry im not a native speaker so there could be a few misunderstandings....and its the internet so sadly no face to face talking. But if you say the AI changed their behaviour in that regard i certainly believe you. Although i have around 1000h myself in bannerlord ill have to aggree that youve gone in to detail much further.
Could you try them in a larger scale environment lets say 200 axe/spearmen against an opponent meelee force of tier 5 cavalry and infantry of the same amount changing the percentage of cavalry between 0 and 40%? Definitely the spearmen will do better against cavalry but does the axeman perform better in inf vs inf situations? Im currwntly playing on 1.8.1 and got no wlan cause i just moved in and have quite some stuff to do otherwise id get v.1.9 and do it myself. Good videos btw i really enjoy watching your stuff.
The fact that we can mix and match our armies regardless of our race or country is such a blessing!
You can. But it does affect morale. Not sure how much but it does factor in. Just like the governor being of a different culture affects loyalty.
I wish we couldn't honestly
@@toastywrath2346 you could,just download a changing culture mod so conquered territory lost their cultural unit
@@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice I'm on xbox buddy.
Sometimes it is fun to play race specific as it forces you to play smarter. Yes picking different units to fill in gaps where others leave off, is smart. But something about being restrained, in the sense that you can’t just get rid of the problem. Is fun!
I've been doing a Aeserai trader into mercenary and I have to say, their army overall feels really strong right now.
It's SO good. The mamluke is amazing, the Faris is great, the master archer is tits. It's just a great army
I use a mix of Aserai and imperial troop with Fian champions as my archers, that great sword they use is OP
@@italianspartacus True thing.In fact,if you pay close attention to the Southernmost and Northernmost powerhouses,they rivals each other.But Veteran Bowman sucks and I'm not even sure if Druzhinniks could beat Veteran Faris that easily(they lack throwing weapons).And the Aserais also have shield cleaving javelins,which is really,really good,combining with armor ignorance perk is satisfying.
That's what I've been telling people thier army is really strong
@@jonathanwillis8419 they still don't dominate the map though unlike Vlandia and the Empires
I disagree with Strugian Heavy Axemen logic:
1. Axes and throwing axes are amazing, because they both are very good against enemy shields. I have had situations where opposite line infantrymen reached my shield wall literally either without shields or with very deteriorated shields. Such shields would be destroyed within few hits from strugian axes leaving them completely unprotected. Thrown axes with proper captain and perks are absolutely devastating against enemy infantry shields. Unless javelins have a special shield puncturing tip they won't do the same damage to shields as thrown axes.
2. Also where axes loose in length, they gain in swing speed and handling. So in a Shield Wall, where swings are limited, shorter and faster weapons which can take out opponent's own shield are much more effective. Also axes work much better during sieges where there are close quarters fighting and destroying opponent's shields on top of the walls is critical to victory.
Axemen are just incredible ! i have all the trowing perks that increase shield damage, one handed and 2 handed aswell. Enemie shields just go boom during my battles
eeeh, i recently tool a look at the stats of their axe compared to the sword of the legionary and it was around the same in swing speed and damage but had like 30 less range... the heavy axeman should get a buff imo...
@@julianbraunbeck7632 The problem with axes is that axe damage is cutting damage making it weak against armor just as a sword. yet axes are top heavy and deliver a massive blunt impact because of this (just like a mace which is just a heavy blob on a stick). In bannerlord an axe and a sword with the same weight and length do the same damage to armored targets (they get the same cut damage stat) which is just not realistic at all. Since a sword with the same weight and length as an axe delivers way less damage to armor since the weight is more evenly distributed making its pure kinetic energy at the place of impact way lower. An axe should have a combination of both blunt and cut damage, less cut damage than a sword and less blunt damage than a mace but it would be better than a mace at dealing with low armor targets and better than a sword at dealing with armor but right now it is only good at dealing with low armor targets because of its pure cut damage
@@Glo0ze You’re ignoring the main point of choosing axes over swords. They do significantly more damage against shields.
Some thoughts about this:
1) The Vlandian Sergeant. Having 3 "1-handed weapon types" on random can be a boon. It means that in cases of dealing with heavy armor, those with maces will do better, against shields axes will do better and for general purpose/defense swords will do better. Their armor, while by no means great, is not overly terrible either, because their "cape" provides some pretty good benefits to their body armor(a total of 50, and 2 of the 3 variants have this), their helmet is pretty decent(always 46). Arms are at 39 armor and legs at 34. Compared to some infantry units, they do not have an inherent weakpoint that you can reliably target.
2) Oathsworn is a great "full package-deal" kind of unit. They have a nice "shotgun" for when the enemy has gotten close enough for the throwing weapons to get tossed in, often breaking several shields or killing off enemies. They have a great spear to deal with cavalry. Their weakest point is their shield(due to the shape) and the, at times, vulnerable armor(especially head).
2a) Wildlings gets more Shotgun and are faster, but loses the spear, so are under threat to get run over by enemy heavy cav. They also have more clearly defined weak spots, like their head(25 armor) and arms(15).
3) Darkhan are pretty good, but lack diversity, as they have no ranged option. They have one glaring weakness in their leg armor, so if they get a bit unlucky, they can go down quick.
4) Heavy Axemen lacks a spear to deal with heavy cavalry and has a minor armor weakness on their arms(27 armor). They are bascially a more well-rounded Wildlings, in that they do not have as massive weak points, at the cost of a few less throws per battle. Great shield.
4a) Heavy Spearmen are good, but have no good ways of dealing with armor or shields(either from throwing or main weapon). They are tough and have a spear, but the spear length is on the low side, meaning many heavy cavalry units will actually hit them before they can strike back. And they are a little slower than most infantry. Not only due to their lower Athletics, but also due to all that heavy armor. I will say that mixing in both Heavy Axemen and Heavy Spearmen(along with a few Heroic Linebreakers) will yield the best results. Great shields.
5) Legionaries are solid, but in effect they both lack a spear and a throwing option. Making them strictly line-fighters. Pretty good in offensive sieges. Easy to recruit.
6) Solid, but has a weak point in leg armor. Shield is not the best. Can be hard to recruit or replenish due to geography, especially during offensive campaigns.
I wont tier them, because they each bring something for their faction, and their strength might diminish or grow based on army composition, enemy army composition, captain/leader skills and battle type.
Fun fact. The Wildlings having less armor is intentional. That 140 Athletics plus less armor. MEans they are lighter and therefore faster.
When the enemy get's close enough. The wildlings can simply retreat faster than their non cavalry enemies until all Javelins are expended. Then they can be ordered to countercharge.
I agree with this list for the most part. I find that I value the “expendability” of infantry a lot more in 1.0 because they just get ground up in big battles. I used to just use tier 6 cavalry and dismount them if I wanted infantry because they’re just better, but it’s impossible to keep replenishing them at the rate you lose them if you keep using them as infantry.
I like Wildlings over Veteran Infantry usually just because Battania is more central but vet infantry are fantastic.
Thank you for these tier lists. I love hearing the pros and cons and tactics. Always a good listen!
EXCELLENT! I've been waiting so long for updated tier lists. Thank you so much for doing this king.
Looking forward the next one!
Quickest I've ever hit the sub button! Clear concise video, great opinions and very thorough. Not to mention you give us the option to jump ahead and don't force us to watch the whole video (even though I definitely did). Can't wait to check out the rest of your content man.
I have seen so a few different infantry tier list videos and no one can agree on who is the best. I have seen Sturgian Heavy Axe and Imperial Legionary usually taking the cake, but seeing my favorite boys the Aserai on top just feels right.
Love the shoutout to LyonExodus the man is a wizard of Bannerlord and an absolute go-to for finding the best troops in the game, the guy practically writes a scientific research paper every time he does a troop breakdown video
Great video, thank you for the in depth review!
Brilliant video. Nice to have this deep dive
been enjoying this game, Playing as an Aserai Trader who turned blacksmith. Still trying to learn how to work the workshops but war has been profitable. Joined the Vlandians and got an Aserai Town and Castle given to me in my first war with them. I recently got captured by Sturgians and just excaped so im looking to rebuild my Military and go back out there. This is super helpful to know how to best start. I think my next stop is learning more about my archers and then Calvery lol.
Awesome video! Very interesting. Would love for you to capture those simulations so we can see these units in action next time!
Thank you so much for this video. I've always wondered what to do as a new player to this game!!
Love the video, would love to see tier lists for other troop types!
Just want to say you make amazing, helpful videos!
Great video. I'm pretty deep into the campaign mode and Have my own kingdom. I'm currently making my own top tier personal army and this was the content I needed to determin the kind of infantry I want! Long live the New Calridian Empire
Love the video brother. Keep em coming!
How the mighty have fallen. I want to like the Vlandian Sergeant but it keeps getting nerfed and just cannot compete anymore. I loved the days in early beta when they had a 2h weapon as well which made them a beast. RIP Sergeant
i just feel bad that xbows are so underrated and rare among the factions :(
@@artje90 Yeah i am currently playing a Vlandian playthrough and tried to keep my army composition Vlandian specific and as much as I like Xbow damage, they run out of bolts early and dont have enough volleys... Fians are just such a good unit in melee and ranged it's hard to not have them :)
Good old days when Heavy Spearmans are still Shock Troops
I have used the Sergeant to great effect against multiple different cultures. The Sergeants and the Aserai Veteran Infantry are the two infantry units I tend to have the best success with. The Diversity in Weapons that the Sergeants have seems to make them incredibly flexible and capable of killing many different tiers of troops. The spears they have also make them cavalry lawn mowers in large numbers. I think this video drastically downplayed the Sergeants capabilities.
Thanks for the video!
I've been traditionally always getting legionaries, I'm gonna try Aserai now
Keep up the great content!
Thanks for the video, man
Prob also worth mentioning looters are abundant and they can be upgraded to imperial infantry with perk which makes legionaries even easier to get
Thanks as always!
Idk man. From my experience in game, there's a few hot takes here.
1) A major, major oversight in assessing the Heavy Axeman as a D-Tier. A lot of people are saying it's a more rounded wildling, which is true, but tactically speaking they have far greater flexibility as actual infantry instead of, say, as a heavy skirmisher. I'll grant, for some reason Taleworlds nerfed the HELL out of the Axeman by removing shoulders and giving them a weaker helmet for some reason, but to put them below wildlings seemingly due to a throwing weapon preference is wrong, imho. They're better armored and fair infinitely better in actual infantry combat. I've had as much success with them as I have with the legionary, though maybe that's down to tactics. Again, imho, they're B-Tier at worst.
2) The spearman being A tier feels like a paper rating to me. On paper, their boost in skills and added armor value makes them seem formidable, however if they aren't supported by a more standard line infantry they lose to the top half of the infantry ratings, only really beating out the few very bad ones in performance. You have to mix them with Axemen in the front to filter infantry and put them behind to use the length of their spears or they get closed-on and destroyed very easily. This isn't the performance of an A-Tier unit, and SERIOUSLY doesn't deserve to stand next to the Legionary. B-Tier at best... imho lol.
3a) The video seems to favor infantry with long weapons. Long weapons are fantastic for attacking cavalry, but lose out heavily vs. other infantry. I guess call me an Axeman simp at this point, but their 1H axe is straight up destructive because it's fast, smacks pretty hard, and has bonus vs. enemy shields. Within infantry fighting range, your rating would suggest that it's a landslide against them unless they're fighting Sergeants, but I can tell you that the massive shield and fast axe combo is DESTRUCTIVE against other infantry. Axemen hold the line while spearmen push it. It's not one vs. the other.
3b) The preference in general towards long weapons needs to be addressed. Legionaries do great against everything because they're heavily armored and essentially balanced, but the fine steel paramarion struggles in line vs. line combat. I might even argue that the reason Legionaries fair so well is due to 2/3 unit presets are using the mace instead. Hell, I've used Sergeants in their current state with great success because of their small, fast mace.
4) Aserai as S-Tier.... oof. I would love to see the testing. I've run plenty of tests myself, and never once has the Aserai Veteran Infantry won against Legionaries across a data set. The only way it happens is if your sim runs charge on charge with literally no management, where the random instances of the Legionary shield not being raised in time to block the javelins can take them down. Again, this feels like a paper victory. You can make the same comparison to the Aserai Master Archer and Khuzait Marksman. On paper, everything favors the Aserai archer but in actual combat they lose to the Marksman every single time. Maybe I'm salty about this because I'm finishing an Aserai culture run right now, but I have to replace Aserai infantry at a rate roughly twice what I do compared to Legionaries. This applies to the Palace Guards as well. I have to replace them 2-3x more commonly than Elite Menavliatons.
I'm going to go do some testing of my own now and see if something changed, but I had run most of my tests right before this culture run and unless something shifted from 1.0 to 1.01, I have my remaining doubts. I'm not saying I'm right, I have about 1100 hours in the game right now vs. a lot of the community with thousands so maybe I'm just using them wrong, but I just don't agree with several of these points/opinions. The video itself, however, is very finely crafted. Great work!
I think I evaluate troops the same way you do. While everyone is busy cheering the victory, I am studying the report looking at kill ratios and noting which type of troops I need to replace. I don't even use Wildlings anymore because they are high on the killed list. Maybe they are better since full release but I haven't checked yet because of prior prejudice.
Largely agree except about the Marksmen vs Asrai Master Archer- both are quite good and I'd put them A tier but both are a HUGE step below Fian Champions and Khuzait Heavy Bowmen or Khan's Guard who are the most efficient troops overall in field battles, sieges, or anything in BL.
I was really surprised to see Heavy Axemen that low- he must not have played that much because like you when I look at casualty reports and watch the battle line, Heavy Axemen are just behind the best regular polearms like Imperial Menavliatons, Heroic Linebreakers, and Falxmen.
For sieges and fight archer their shields plus fast axe even put them a bit above those guys- they don't get as many kills but they have far fewer deaths. 2 handed pole-arms I have to replace about 5-10% after big battles vs less than 1-3% for the top 3 units or 3-6% for Heavy Axemen.
Greatly written. Good read buddy almost an essay lol
His opinions were based off various size custom battle between the tiers. I don't see how that can be a paper victory.
Bruh.. Wildlings got 1h skill buff from 120 to 130 on par woth other t5's now Their weapon got a bit better. Theielr shield gained a bit more hp. They gained a second stack of Javelins. They got better Armor and the Throwing AI has been improved.
Wildling aren't even the worst T5 Infantry in melee anymore. And While the Axeman is slightly better in melee. The 10 111 damage Javs that the improved AI has. Means That wildlings if used with any amount of tact other than charge. Will decimate. And unlike before. Charge is viable.
Currently focusing on a varyag heavy army with fian archers. The good armor and shields keep them alive, the throwing axes give them a strong opener often deciding battles before the fighting really starts, they tear through shields like butter and look badass. The archers don’t even need explaining
And for cavalry I use square formation, they charge in get stuck die, for ranged cav I protect my archers while they machine gun those pesky fools down
Will you do a tier list on the 2 handed shock troops? They got a big boost with the last patch since units actually keep a bit of distance now instead of crowding into each other, they make excellent flankers once the 2 shield walls have engaged.
if i do remmeber menevatilion and falxmen are best yes falxmen not the top one
how do you separate shield infantry and 2h infantry into 2 different groups?
@@Gabzpiano In the pre-battle screen each group has some icons on the bottom that let you select the subtype, so for infantry you can select shield units, 2 handed units, throwing units etc. So create 2 infantry groups, one with 2 handed and one with shields.
@@Jasta85 oh sweet thanks!
@@paweplaczek2191 Voulgier are good as well. And technically Fians can be shock troops too when they go into melee
I'm pretty sure you've got Wildling/Oathsworn availability backwards. In a fight vs. groups of bandits where Fians rout the enemy before they get to your melee troops, the wildlings in training still get some exp from their throwing weapons, while completely non-ranged infantry gets nothing.
I would like to see one on the troops you can hire at the tavern.
Sturgian Heavy spearmen might not have the longest or hardest hitting swords. but that 10 extra skill slightly offsets it.
What they do have. Is crazy good armor and shields. That "weak" sword of their has a swing speed and handling that when buffed by that crzy 140 1h skill, ensures that a few points of damage don't matter in the least.
great video, I needed sth like that as new bannerlord player. Could you please consider reviewing units for famous B.A.R.D. Army Overhaul mods series?
Thanks for all these videos! I think the thing I would like to understand most in Bannerlord is the difference between "foot troops", "infantry", "archers", etc. that are used in perks as I will see something say it affects "foot troops", but my archers will not be shown as benefiting when holding down Ctrl when looking at the lord's bonuses. This also contains the question of "if a melee infantry unit picks up a bow, do they get bow bonuses then? What about if a cavalry dismounts? Do they lose their cav bonuses and gain foot/infantry bonuses? Then you have things like that woodchopper perk that is phrased as if it would actually benefit arrows against shields, which I doubt it would. All the information I can find online is conflicting and a lot of it is old. Knowing exactly how a perk benefits me really helps me to feel like I am getting a benefit from selecting it.
A majority of the traits you are talking about are only active when you are the "commander" of a group of units, IE when you put yourself in their formation at the beginning of the battle. There are some generic traits that count for your entire party, but most of those are identified with specific wording like "troops in your party". If it indicates infantry, archers, etc then it is talking about that specific class of unit. An archer that runs out of arrows is still considered an archer, and if an infantry unit were to somehow pick up a bow, they would still be an infantry unit and only able to get those bonuses.
@@princeofgreece9054 Part of the issue is that when you look at a captain's influences, you'll see Infantry Influence has stuff like Morning Exercise (foot troop move speed) and Sprint (infantry move speed). As that bonus isn't also listed under Ranged Influence, and it isn't clear if ranged infantry are still considered to be infantry, it isn't clear if foot archers get both the foot troop and infantry perks or only the foot troop as "infantry" might sometimes imply non-ranged infantry.
Really like your way to make those Lsit. Also the fact, how to get there.
Will you do also a tier List for Shocktroops? I really like them, although they are harder to use, but can be really good mixed in.
Got a new sub for not holding me ransom.
I watched ur video beacause i've been crushed by Aserai infantry and im not disapointed.
Now i'll always choose the sturgian heaxy Spearman thx for the tips
As a new player, I was using your video with great success. Some guy just did a video on youtube where he shows through multiple simulations in v1.0.1, that the Sturgian Heroic Line Breaker is the strongest infantry unit in the game. The ones with the huge two-handed axes. You didn't mention them, so this has me wondering what the deal is with them. He did 500v500 tests, and the line breakers destroyed every unit in a matter of seconds. It was shocking to see them decimate 500 legionary's and every other infantry unit. They didn't win close fights, they absolutely rolled through every unit. Only the Battanian Fian Champions beat them in a close fight.
He mostly looks here for line infantry (shielded infantry) they are the people holding your shieldwall. Linebreakers win one vs one against infantry because they are designed to destroy infantry but they suffer HEAVILY against missiles (overall lower body armor and no shield) so you cant really compare them 1 to 1
I was wondering if you and strat gaming have any conversations about the game? seem to be the two most active (and best) bannerlord content creators... would love to see a video of your guys combined opinions or suggestions
I had the Kuzait at S because of that badass helmet.
Followed you just for posting the tier list and optioning skipping ahead, watched the whole thing tho 👌🏻
Thanks so mcuh bro!! :)
In my run I have been very surprised using Boar champions. They seem to have a great adaptability to most situations.
I remember when I did my vlandia play through, I would basically never lose anyone in battle but they would kill my soldiers so I recruited them and they did so much better than my sharpshooters per person. They were so good and every time I see them on the field I think about recruiting them but they usually don’t fit my army so I don’t
axes are just better than swords, they swing faster, deal good damage an have short range which makes them easier to swing in close ranges
Most importantly, you can slice through at least two enemies at once.
I used to run a TH-cam channel… and I can tell you the biggest factor for YT is watch time. Subs can be a negative.. if people who sub don’t even want to watch your videos that’s a big problem. We use to pay people to go through and kick people from our channels who didn’t interact with our YT and Instagram channels.
Start fast, go fast, give value, and people will sub that want to continuously get your feed.. these are the people you want...
Do your best to stop the drop-off of viewers. It took you like 2mins to get to the value.. it’s not a “dreaded algorithm” it’s just sample maths that you have to understand to make it work for you.
What would you change in the troops and/or rosters, and/or would you expect to change?
I definitely agree the Sturgians should have an infantry noble line. (Maybe no cav or cav and archers merged into a mounted skirmisher with high athletics for a cav.) The infantry types should synergize well somehow. High athletics but heavy gear (nice armor and (best) shields).
I think Khuzait have horse archers as their thing, and cav in general so having mediocre infantry and archer would be fitting. The darkhan should be a mix of shield and shock (as it's the only infantry troop), but not too good in either.
Aserai and Battanians should imo both be lightly armoured, but compensated in higher skill or nice weapons. Aserai have the best non noble archer, so I'd guess it's a matter of time for the infantry to get nerfed. Or maybe lose lots of armor but offset by something nice (braceable spear or throwing). Battanians could have extra athletics to make them the fastest foot soldiers. Either faction could benefit from several units having throwing weapons, it'll make the impact bigger I. But they each do need something different.
I think imperial should be best armoured, a braceable polearm but no throwing and meh 1H. They hold the line.
Vlandian sergeant could have second best armour, I'd give them a guaranteed mace as their specialty, a good shield and decent polearm. Any especially good vs shields?
Just wanted to say: Thank you for the mention.
And do my part in boosting the algorithm.
Lyon!!!! Thanks so much for the great videos brother!! My pleasure dude and if there's a specific video you want me to link let me know, I'll switch it :)
No need for it man. I haven't made a video on shielded infantry yet so the channel link is more then enough.
If you want, under a more related video you can link my latest cavalry update.
i am currently working on refining the shock troops update for 1.0. that should be ready in the next two weeks.
Will do!! I'd love to hear your thoughts since they're in a much better place now
Looking forward to best horse archer ltier list and some guides for workshops and caravans
i am curious as to how dismounted cavalry match up to the rest of the infantry
I’m kinda new to bannerlord and i mainly play Aserai and i find them really fun, were the Aserai buffed? Because in some old Tier list they say Aserai is bad in general
Nice bro
I'm looking to learn, why average the armor in stead of totaling it? It would skip some of the problems associated with averaging. Thanks for the evaluations!
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What is the tankiest, unit with best survivability? Excluding cavalry and archers.
Please make a tier list of the noble troops.
Based on the comments I saw here and curiousity I went and did some light testing. The sturgian heavy axeman beat everything i put in front of it. T5's from all other groups didnt fair as well.
Which suprised me cause i thought legionairres were the best. But yeah, my go to now is going to be sturgian heavy axe
I'm gonna have to mention that the asuria soilders get rolled over in hand to hand vs legions or spearsman almost to fast to do anything about it. I use them as a wildling with expecting them to survive a little longer with all the Cav and archers running around. I wouldn't make them the core of your line if you're trying to hammer and anvil at all.
Thank you for this list, ive been running the vlandian sergeants not knowing theyre the weakest out of the bunch 😂
Could the Sturgian Heave axeman be viable if you were to pair them with Aserai Mameluke Palace guard. Get them captains that focus on shield/axe damage. They might not be great but if they have a shield and the opponent doesn't it's going to be heavily one-sided.
I’ve been playing this game for a while and I’m progressing well! I never knew the soldiers had sets lol
I really need help there’s a weapon that’s a polearm but instead of being forced to attack up or down on horseback I was able to attack all 4 directions and it did ridiculous dmg but that was in arena and I don’t know the name of it
Didn't know the Valandian Sarg got nerfed. Last time I played he was a beast.
The "47 head... ehehehehehe" 20:36 made me choke on my coffee
The best infantry unit is the Battanian Fian champion, their two handed skill is the highest in the game. They're archers though. Place them where they can shoot, hold fire and charge when their cavalry attacks or their infantry line meets your front row. I drop twice my party size regularly.
@LC Infantry I have beaten 1200 imperials with 250 fians. I use nothing else, I go from battanian castle village to battanian castle village and take as many forest bandits as I can because with the disciplinarian skill they can become fians. I'm a lil obsessed. I have almost 1200 hours on steam
My Tactic is simple... Wildlings. In 2 rank deep shield walls so they are defended but ot so deep to prevent all ranks from throwing.
preferably on hills.
And mounted Skirmishers behind. When the enemy get's close enough for the wildlings to start throwing I order the mounted skirmishers to attack. The enemy chases after horsemen who arem't trying to engage up close and receive a javelin in the side or back for the trouble.
Works well enough for me.
would've been nice if you add units from minor clans too for this series
They would all end up in tier D at the moment. They really nerved them sadly as most of them are only on par with tier 3 and tier 4 troops. To think the Triarii were the best infantry in the game before the changes were made
On Xbox using custom battle mode I have been testing the aserai veteran infantry. First against all other high tier infantry and they are definitely the strongest! But i decided to try something different. I choose to use imperial elite cataphract. Soon as the battle starts I dismount the cataphracts and charge them into battle against the veteran infantry both with equal number. Every time the cataphracts beat the aserai veteran infantry! It's only when I give the aserai infantry 20% more men that they turn the tide back to them. Anything less then 20% more troops then they continue to fail
I use sturgian heavy spears and bows as the core of my army as the sturgian shields hold for so long and the archers can pick the enemy off
great video! could we get a cavalry tierlist? 👀
It's already up!! :)
@@italianspartacus ah finally found it, it was really hard to find for some reason. Maybe an idea to make like playlists so you have tier playlists with all of em in there for easy finds? anyway thanks for the content!
Wait how do you change sets? Didn't even know they had different load outs
Who to play depends on their background
I think the sturgian heavy axe is pretty good against shield walls. Captain with good athletic+combat+throwing makes the difference in my experience
Not played for a long time what have they done to my Vlandian Sergeants.
Currently doing a play through where I only use what I capture and its alot of fun
I know this will probably will be way to much work. Tho i'm not totally sure if i like RBM or not yet, i know a bunch of people do. Would be cool with a video like this for that mod. Since it changes stats on armors/weapons/etc.
Not sure if I agree with dropping a tier for the path to level. Once its leveled the path to get there becomes irrelevant. Late game once youre sieging you have access to so many troops the leveling process doesnt really become much of an issue.
Should compare mid range tier 3-4 troops
I mainly have sturgia as my foot but have a mix of batts and valds
The one thing I hate with the Darkhan is their shield :
They go from the "Spear Infantry" that has a huge tower shield, making them near-invulnerable to archer fire... to a small cavalry round shield which doesn't protect nearly enough.
Arrows and javelins easily pass above or below the shield, and will either hit the head, shoulders or the legs (legs which are the least protected part of their bodies).
I prefer to stick with Spear Infantry instead of Darkhan just for this reason : they do the same job (though not as good at it), they cost less to maintain and they don't get shredded by serious archer fire.
PS : also when it comes to axes, don't forget they do extra damage to shields and wooden contraptions so they tend to crack open shield walls and are very useful to have in a siege (they can smash barricades, doors and siege weapons with ease). They're not as good as maces in late game, but they still have their usefulness
Vlandian cav, vlandian sergeants and battanian oathsworn grouped, imperial veteran trained infantry (they keep their javelins) and battanian wildlings grouped, vlandian, battanian, and imperial archers and crossbows. An absolute bulwark combination so far.
Mixing faction units this much is pretty boring imo. Deciding on a faction and sticking with its strengths and weaknesses, filling in with the use of mercenaries if necessary, is a lot more fun and makes it so you can enjoy replaying the game multiple times with the different factions.
The great thing about these types of games is the ability to play however one likes.
In the vein of the Warhammer lords vids. Noice
I like the start: "Infantry, THE backbone for any army in Mount and blade 2 bannerlord" Shows only Cavalry shots xD
Kinda surprised that Heavy Spearman has better stats than Heavy Axemen.Would be the top choice for my next sturgian campaign
its because AI got better at spears
I wish that you could convert units into your own culture like recruiting prisoners.
Maybe it's because this is 'already' a month old and some patches have gone by, but I find myself disagreeing with one part of your assessment, namely the spear and spear bracing. First, spears don't need to be exceedingly long to be able to be braced. Just going through the store and loot I've seen multiple spears that can be braced at 170ish length. And then, I find spear bracing barely required to deal with heavy cavalry. The couched lance charge can be foiled with a shield wall and then the cavalry gets stuck, and slaughtered. The AI for cavalry isn't up to the task of making you require a dedicated anti-cavalry unit, except maybe against players.
I do agree the aserai veteran is really good. They're generally a bit out of the way for me to recruit.
Have a Sturgian campaign, with a only heave spearmen in Shield Wall, with the noble cav running around.
I do feel i need something more to it.
You’d have a better go with having more Heavy Axemen than Heavy Spearmen. Ignore ItalianSpartacus’ ranking of them, I think his hot take on axes blinds him to their greatness. HS are objectively worse than HA against infantry (Check out Strat Gaming’s channel for some testing).
@@AlamarianJ thanks man. Already started implementing them.
How did you get demonetized!? Crazy!
Hey I did some testing against khuzait with inf+archers only. I ve been strugling agains mixed khuzaits. You might wanna test this too. I did 200 vs 200.
Enemy: 50%horse archers and 50% shock cav. (used tier 6)
Friendly: 40% Fian nobles, 60% infantry (30% wildlings+30% heavy axemen in the same group)
Setup: 1. place all infantry in line formation facing the enemy, make sure it is 2 stack line, you should see wildling at the front and falxmen behind them (do not make 2 groups, keep them all in 1)
2. place Fians in loose formation as long as you can far behind infantry but make sure to have reach , place them slightly turned, facing left ( about 25 degrees, this is to anticipate the horse archer approach coming always from the left) your formation will look odd but it is working
What will happen?
1.Horse archers will push first, trying to flank left. They will be shot by your archers
2. Main shock cavalry will charge you after while and thats what you want. Make sure you keep the line standing facing the charge.
3. Just before the impact the wildlings will throw their javelins, killing A LOT. Heavy falxemen will eat cavalry too. Make sure you keep standing with the infantry all the time.
4. all is left is horse archers. After cavalry is dealt with move the inf sloser to archers
Try to pick a commander for your men that has Polearm and 1 handed, perhaps throw.
Try it out and watch the results!!!!!
I think heavy falxmen are 1 of the best hidden gems in the game vs cavalry combined with fians and wildlings
sry about he mistake I mean falxmen and not axemen
Back then, yes, but Jesus, they buffed them like crazy
I love Battanians. They get screwed so hard in every way and then the Fians show up.
Why skip over sturgia heroic line breakers?
Kinda shocking to me. I have around 100h now in Bannerlords and i thought im figuring out whats good and whats bad. Heard about Legionary and Heavy Spearman so i started stacking them. Think around 100 units(imperial spearman as well) and rest with catapracts+khans guards+banner knights.
Lets get them javelins rainin!
In previous versions of the game, the lack of swingspeed of long swords made them realy bad compared to short and fast maces or even axes. Did they change some mechanics to make the swords viable?
man it sucks to see how the Vlandians have fallen they were awesome! but a lot of their troops would benefit from more armor a lot of them dont even have shoulder armour and i dont really think the nerfs were needed, the buffs to other were needed no dout.
on the other hand my experience with battania is the oposite of yours most of my battles, oathsworn survive well enougth and the wildlings end up suffering double casualties at least...
its tier list of tier 5 units.. problem i had while playing is that if i lost those T5 units then i had to train new one from scratch... that's why in my opinion imperials are only one that are decent on low level thx to high DEF shield so they can take more arrows...
It's hard to argue against the Imperial Legion. They are super tanky, swords are good in most situations, and they are always available. Legions being in the middle of the map, makes them by far the most available unit of all infantry. Oh, did I mention they are tanky? These guys will absolutely hold the line, and are great in sieges. For Sturgia, the axe isn't really that bad, it's just they are situational. Axes are very good in melee, and their throwing weapon is nice for some cheesy early kills before the frontlines smash. But agree, they will fall short in the open field. However, they are good in sieges since the axe is a fast swinging shield shredder. A good mix of these guys in the army is a good idea
I agree Sturgia should be heavy infantry in the noble line. The way they are makes me not really wanna play them.
Vlandian pikemen still useless?
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Notice that you mentioned using perks with captains to get the Aserai Veteran Infantry desired effect. The Aserai don't have any Tier 5 units that can take 1st or even 2nd place with defeating other Tier 5 units. This would be ok, if the Aserai had a decent 1-4 roster, but they're so fragile with weak armor and low HP. The Aserai still have the weakest faction militarily imo.