More than you want to know about the Panzer III
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Panzer IIIs were common German tanks in WW2, and here I talk about them, and make a few general points.
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Another video (there will be more) from 'The Tank Museum' at Bovington. Why they changed the name is beyond me. I'd like to meet the branding guru who came up with that idea and administer several hard slaps. It's like changing 'Wimbledon' to 'The Tennis Competition'.
Anyway, here, in its particular shade of beige, is the tank (with a brief shot of one of its cousins), and I ramble on about various bits of it. It's all right for you - you just have to watch it once, but I had to edit this, which involves seeing each bit several times, and wading through all the footage of me droning on and on.
I use the word 'burn' to describe a H.E.A.T. round's penetrating a tank, and as several people have pointed out, this is not technically the correct word. They are right, although the word is often used in this context, and the temperatures involved are very high, but yes, I admit it: I should not have used the word 'burn'.
Yes, I am aware that the links on the end plate come in late. This is because TH-cam has changed the system, which used to be flexible, to one that relies on limited templates. It doesn't enable the user to put picture links in except in the last twenty seconds of a video, and so because I added a little shot at the end, the links all start late. Possibly the new system is supposed to be more idiot-resistant than the old one. Unfortunately, this makes it an obstacle for the intelligent.
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Some say Lindy has never left that tank museum.
Some say his natural prey is the Centurion tank, and that he was bitten by a radioactive half-track as a child. All we know is he's called Lindybeige.
Yes, he doesn't actually live in a flat (apartment); he actually lives in a museum annex.
Why should he leave anyway, if he has found heaven :)
Continuing to give exposition to all passers by.
Jared Lange his home is actually a room in the back
Day: 78
Lindybeige now records and uploads in the tank museum. He gives tours in if people pay him camera batteries
Dan_The_Gamer Also being him some biscuits, he's starvin'.
"Will work for SD-Cards" :'D
I could picture this. "Tours for food and camera batteries." scrawled on a sign.
@@dr.lexwinter8604 I'd consider that a real deal for a tour from him.
We meet again
"What if Tom hanks comes along with a Tommy gun and shoots the tank?" I have lived with this fear all my life...
Shhhh calm down everything is ok there is a big glass block calm down
I wanna see someone try. I think a full mag might do It >_>
@@yuurichito1439 I can't, everytime I close my eyes I see Tom Hanks come by with a beard and screams "fire!!! fire!!!"
@@Blueboy0316 there is also a 20 mm plate if it is getting shot at etc
And an mg 34 sooo
Always be prepared for Tom Hanks
Except it was Tom Sizemore....details...
@@mwnciboo No it wasnt. Watch the movie dude :-)
J. Alexander well, the tiger 1 doesn’t have ammo behind the driver, it was behind his seat on the floor, the bullet cannot hit the ammo
@@farmerman7947 You know my grandpa was born in Russia and fought in a T-34 in Stalingrad. What was so strange about this is that my grandpa had the gunner replaced by his own brother by pure coincidence? And it gets even stranger when my grandpas' mother was drafted into maintaining and preparing tanks for battle and his own tank among others. Then the driver was replaced with my grandpas uncle? So the my whole family fought together.
A long student of the Panzerkampfwagen, when I saw that Tom Hanks scene the first time I laughed my ass off...😂😂😂
"More than you want to know about the Panzer III"
Lol, try me.
Amen brother!
Now I want more than I want to know about that Crusader tank...
@@rjfaber1991 fast desert boi nuff said
German armour decision high command - "wait, what if Tom hanks comes along and pokes his Thomson into the drivers sight?"
I do wonder if it would cause the glass to crack or otherwise become harder to see through with all of that lead and unburnt powder being deposited from that.
Driver would be pretty much blind and have to rely on commands from the rest of the crew entirely. Shouldn't take more than 3-5 rounds to completely cover that tiny viewport in cracks and fractures.
There were extra blocks of glass inside. The driver could change them out in a couple of minutes. Also, there is armor that would come down over the glass. Then the driver would would look through a periscope. Those are what the two holes above the vision port are.
A bucket of thick black paint or hot tar might cause more problems than a Thompson, in that particular instance? Especially if you could try to "glue" the now-obstructed glass into place so the driver couldn't change it out.
Possible to obscure the port but it would have to be a close, surprise attack. Even then the Tiger had an anti- personnel grenade launcher in top of the turret to keep people off of it. The commander's cupola hatch also latches. I think Spielberg was at a loss to figure a way to kill the Tiger. When we did Saints & Soldiers Airborne Creed, we tried to not make the same mistakes with the Pzr III kill.
you and your honest titles, is this reverse clickbait?
it is called honest content I guess..
Lindybeige doesn't have time for click bait, he's still trying to find a way out of the tank museum
mpoumpz Like the mildly interesting subreddit
Caboose 92m More like dodging the security staff at closing time.
+Caboose 92m
All the signs say "A man turned this corner, you WON'T believe what happened!"
"you'd NEVER guess where this path leads! Walk here to find out!"
the Germans were very cautious when it came to Tom Hanks. if he were to be unleashed, the war would be as good as over
Be careful Hans! We have reports that enemy might have Tom Hanks in the area!
He could fuck up their tanks with just a 1911.
Brian Holmes
Just aim for the buttocks, that's his Achilles Heel.
Well, I'd take Tom Hanks over Ace Rimmer any day!
What about brad pit he makes a german captain give up his cover, range and amour advantages by closing the distance on more faster tanks and better paid actors whilst firing on the move which german tanks were trained to stop fire and keep going after. Oh and firget the tiger could turn on the spot (pivot on its axis)
Lindybergs Tank-Museum-Report.
Day 201, the Staff still didn't notice that i am not working here.
Day 202, the Vending-Machine is empty, i need to seek anoter source of food.
Day 203, Dave offered me to drive me home, he might be onto something.
Legend has it he is still at the museum spitting Panzer Facts.
I love how frantically energetic your overview of this particular tank is, as compared to the Chieftan's more staid walkthrough of it.
When your pants match your tank #outfitgoals
His "pantzers", maybe?
+Matt Redman Pantzerhosen
Lindy's tanks videos are best Lindy's videos
Lindy's tanks videos are also the best tank videos.
Nah, the Tank Museum's 'Tank Chats' are the best tank videos. David Fletcher's moustache alone assures that.
"The tracks broke quite often."
Every Men of War AS2 player: "Yeah ..."
Unless a Panzer III is having an affair with my wife, that headline is plain wrong!
But I'll watch to make sure... My wife HAS been gone for most of the day...
You sir, made my day!
Magnus Nygaard
Well, I'm going to bet that the tank is better hung than any human male, so you shouldn't feel any sense of inadequacy.
HEAT warheads don't kill tanks with hot gas, they project a hypervelocity jet of liquid metal. IIRC it's also not a thermal effect, but a kinetic one, with the explosives shaping and accellerating the material, which impacts at such speed that solid armour essentially behaves as a liquid when struck.
We want more tanks! More models and more about the tactics!
Great video. I really like the just the visual commentary on the minor things, such as the folded antenna
The little hatch (at 5.29)he thinks was an ejection port is in fact a pistol port designed for the crew to stick pistols, etc out to shoot enemy troops that were far to close to the tank for the main weapons to bear on or actually already on the tank, cant believe he didn't know that, its rather basic knowledge........ they were left out on the last model, the J,to speed up manafacture
Cool thanks
It’s both. It can serve several purposes
Not even close to more than I want to know, but I have an incurable taste for minutiae and everyday operations in whatever vehicles I'm engaged with at the time. You wouldn't believe how hard it is to have some of the most basic questions answered about some aircraft! But I think it this was worth watching, and I even learned a couple all-new things. So thanks.
Did you know it takes over 9000 Panzers to kill a single Sherman tank, I saw it in the cinema so it must be true.
i sexually identify as a jagdpanther
dont discriminate me and say im more of an assualt gun...im not!
The M4 could easily beat a Panzer III in a head-to-head battle.
alex s nah Panzerkampfwagen II ausfarung L "Luchs" here.
as a Sturer emil i find this offensive
Fury much?
You my friend have got to be one of if not the most British people I’ve ever seen on TH-cam, and I love it. You and the mighty jingles should totally do a collaboration video
In heavy equipment having the drive wheel pull the track out from under the road wheels rather than pushing it under improves track life which is part of why modern bulldozers have the drive wheel mounted high pulling the track out in either direction; the rest of the reason is that it provides cleaner track in both directions as well. Armored vehicle design preclude using this feature.
The PzIV didn't so much swap around as "Got a bigger gun", because the solution that most powers figured out during the war was "get the biggest gun with the longest barrel". The problem on the PzIII was that it has a smaller turret ring, so it can't mount a very big turret, so it can't mount a very big gun. As such their only choice was to make it primarily a support tank and use a low-pressure large calibre gun. Because then it can fire effective HEAT (which only relies on calibre and not on shell velocity to achieve penetration) since it's never going to be able to fire kinetic penetrators with sufficient power.
Fun fact. Some early variants with the 37mm gun had 2 coaxial mg's making it possible to mount 4 mgs in total
Not for anything on the accuracy of “Saving private Ryan”, but that block of glass was often removed when the tank was running in a situation where a lot of mud was liable to be kicked up. A muddy view port is more useless than an open hole. I’m a big fan of your vids by the way.
Lloyd, I don't think the paint on the Panzer III you show is Dunkelgelb which a very dark yellow. Starting in March of 1941, the German Army ordered that all vehicles in North Africa was to be painted a base color of Gelbbraun (yellow-brown), with one-third of the vehicle covered by Graugrün (gray-green) with feathered edges. The gun mantlet is suppose to be that way; there were no armor placed in front of that frame-like structure. This was because when they installed the large and long 50mm gun, the additional armor on the gun mantlet made this gun too heavy - the weight of a gun mantlet rests on the gun and not on the turret and placed too much stress on the elevation gears.
"some people grab the third machinegun because they could, yes i am looking at you Hans"
I've seen reports saying that it is actually not a good idea to use tracks as additional armor. This is due to the track material being a softer metal than the armour, which allows the shell to dig in a get a better angle against sloped armour. Where as without the tracks the shell would have a higher chance of glancing off.
I of course don't know if this is true, but I have seen reports that state that, and it seems that this idea may have caught on by the end of the war with tanks carrying less tracks on the front. Again that may be due to shortage of material or any other number of factors.
The front sprocket also ensures that the usually slack part of the track (the top part) stays taut, making it very, very difficult for the tracks to become dislodged when the tank is moving forwards.
Go for it Lindy, glad to have you back in my recommendations
I have a bit of hypothesis for that turret shot trap, I believe that it's to minimize the flat turret face? So that shots directly from the front would, instead of hitting flat armor and penetrating, would hit the angled plate and ricochet off into the sides or, in a bad case, into the hull roof. There's a similar shape on the Italian tank turrets from around the same era.
That glass would crack sometimes and the drivers couldn't see through the cracked glass, and replacement glass was not easily available to get in the front, so many drivers just ripped the glass out so they could see. Heck, that glass has a bullet hole In it! It can be broken quite easily.
"I have to edit this stuff and I was losing the will to live" best ending message ever! Hilarious!
I`m not native to this language and it worried me a little, this comment. How is this funny?
Could have mentioned why the pzIII and pzIV swapped roles, basically when they wanted to fit bigger guns the pzIII didn't have a wide enough turret ring to fit the 75 mm gun while a pz IV could. However the chassis could fit the gun if you didn't use a turret, and thus the stugIII was born.
I feel like this is less of a “more than you ever wanted to know about panzer III’s” and more of “here’s some knowledge about tanks, using the Panzer III as an example”. Not nearly as catchy, but a lot more accurate
Well the «glass» in the vision port for the driver is actually bulletproof, and they used the same glass later on in the messerschimt’s «armor» plating behind the pilot, so that he could see better at his 6 o’clock. Think they startet putting in bulletproof glass in the G6 models🤔
Glad you pointed that out on the Glass, but an important note being how inaccurate parts of saving private Ryan are
Example: only six tigers in France during DDAY and all were deployed against the Canadians andBritish near Caen
(Pretty much every incident of GIs seeing tigers were actually just Panzer IV s
Panzer IV was more the workhorse of WW-II, the III got things started everywhere...& "It's not the size of the gun that matters...it's how you use it🙂"...ask the French
Ah, got round to that, commented too soon, ah well
TimiK Not really.
No the Panzer IV was the tank killer and Pz III was assault/infantry support tank. Both tanks are deadly but the 75 mm high velocity gun on the Pz IV F2 was a formidable weapon, which could penetrate and kill all medium tanks of its time. The Pz III has more trouble since it has less penetration but it had a squash head round which helped it better penetrate angled surfaces
This guy make this video just to heard himself and believe he is right! The best antitank gun was other!
Panzer 4 could be updated with heavier weapons, and the Panzer 3 could not.
The modern Israeli tank put the engine in front driving a front sprocket. This gives it all the advantages of the front drive without having a shaft running through the whole tank. It also puts the engine in front which gives it a little more protection.
Clever design.
Another disadvantage of having the sprocket at the front is one I heard of from reading "Another River, Another Town," the account of a Sherman (and later Pershing) tank gunner. On at least one occasion in the book, he wrote that he had fired an AP shell at an enemy tank and it didn't penetrate the front armor, so he followed with an HE shell which took out the sprocket.
I would think a direct hit with a large-caliber HE round on any wheel or part of the track would be likely to immobilize the tank. I suppose the sprocket would be harder to replace in the field.
I read the book about ten years ago, but I think that in the account I'm remembering, he didn't hit the wheel itself. Just a blast against the front of the (I think it was a tank destroyer) disabled the sprocket.
7:36 It's like the audiophile debate over belt drive versus direct drive turntables.
It is unknown and debatable whether using spare track links helped or hindered armour protection, specifically on sloped armour (ie. Shell normalization) because they were made of softer metal that shells could bite into easier, however it made tankers feel better psychologically so it was permitted. Also with the PZ III that's just the best place to store them. :D
"more than you want to know about the panzer III" You want to bet? :D
Sometimes its hard to tell if someone likes girls und cocai- i mean panzer since they're tank nerds or just said
*"HURR DURR IS ANIME ME LIKE"* and read the first word of the title
@@x3-LSTR-512 For what I seen from the girls und panzers fandom most of them are thanks nerd that like them some waifus
The plot is not that good or deep but is really fun for the historical references and details about the tanks
Well at least this is my opinion ^^
heh, Mi Ho still thinks you are weird,but your a gunner so I supposed she would...
I read that out of the 2000 tanks only 300 were panzer 3, most were panzer 1 and 2, during the polish and french invasion
Very good, but you forgot the short barrelled 5 cm KwK 38 which came between the 3.7 cm KwK 36 and the long barrelled 5 cm KwK 39.
The area between the gun mantlet and the deck of the tank is also a shot trap.
On the viewport thing, It's also a periscope so Tom Hanks still couldn't have killed it even without the glass.
Best part about this is that I am playing world of tanks and I just upgraded a Panzer III J to that one.
Why did he call it an MG34 and not a Spandau
Cause Spandau is very inaccurate. The term originated from the MG 08, produced in Spandau near Berlin. The much later developed MG34 and the even later developed MG42 were also called Spandau by western allies. It's just inaccurate.
Yep...Its a missconception. The original MG 08 (based on the Maxim MG) was produced by DWM (Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken in - Spandau/Berlin) during WWI - so why not call all German MGs "Spandau"?.....^^
I don't think there's a tank version of the MG34. You just pull the butt off after pressing a button and mount....you keep the stock in the vehicle so you can remove and use demounted if needed. Same with the bipod. It was kept in use after the MG42 came out specifically because it was better suited for vehicle use. The barrel change is out the back instead of to the side like the 42's.
At 5:08 Could Tom Hanks open this hatch and shoot his tommy gun in here or would it be locked or something?
All the hatches have internal locks. Although, I'm not sure about the rear engine hatches. The side hatch has small flip-up pistol ports.
When tom hanks shots in the tank if you actually care to look at whats on the screen you can see that the driver has his forward facing hatch open not closed so he could see through the glass and tiny slit hes got it wide open enough for someone to possibly put the barrel down let alone shoot inside, pretty confident this is a consistent feature on tanks but what do ik im only saying what i actually saw
I think we need a new hour long episode on this same tank.
Great video! I enjoyed your presentations!
I read that having the tracks and stuff mounted on the tanks as extra protections was more harmful, because it was not very much armor, so it was only there to create more spalling
The crew compartment must be horribly cramped for a 3 man crew considering space is also needed for ammunition.
Dunkelgelb isn't the desert camo colour, it's the STANDARD stock colour of all german AFV's rolling off the factories during a certain timeframe, pretty much anywhere from mid to end of war. Many German camo schemes were just sprays of other colour/s over the base yellow coloring.
Again, nothing to do with desert, it was the stock colour.
thank you very much about the info, especially about the Cύ-pola... when i say it as one should, i get teased because people have been listening to some "youtubers" who said it cupόla and they learned it that way. I was watching once a documentary of 1950's about the T49 american light tank and that is where i heared it for the first time as Cύ-pola.
I keep thinking "You are too nerdy when it comes to tanks" and yet can't stop watching.
As an EOD, either I was taught false info or lindybeige knows wrong info about how HEAT ammo works.
Another great Video. Thank you Sir.
Every german tank crew's biggest fear : Tom Hanks popping out of nowhere poking his tommygun through the drivers vision port
awww Lindy, you could never tell us more than we want to know about anything!
"What if Tom Hanks runs up with a Tommy Gun?" Fantastic.
I don't it matters so much in german tanks when it comes to "room in the tank" about the transmission. They had torsion bar suspension which many british tanks did not have. They often had the christie-suspension which took "room inside the tank" and therefore, maybe, it was better to have the drive wheel at the back in the tank.
The desert yellow paint was different to the dark yellow used from 1942..otherwise the man loves his tanks..
dang I could listen to you explain more of the tank
My history teacher : So what do you know?
Me : *the title*
The Pantsers were a menace, sneaking up behind you and pulling your pants down. They were soundly defeated when stout suspenders were manufactured. Some wore a belt and suspenders. The end.
Well done for pointing out the Saving Ryan bullshit. That film is full of blunders. Like the German sniper who doesn't change position after shooting a whole clip. However Russian snipers did shoot at the vision ports with AP bullets. Apparently it took at least two to break the glass.
Of course while they may have had great technique, the German war industry never got very good at mass production compared to the others, perhaps because they put less emphasis on this.
While the Soviets had one great tank, the T-34, which they tried to make as many of as possible while making small improvements and eventually a second version, the Germans basically invented a new tank for every conceivable battlefield role. The III, the IV, the V (Panther), the Tiger I the Tiger II, the Ferdinand, the Hetzer, the Maus.
Whereas of course most of these vehicle started off with significant reliability issues restricting their usefulness in the first campaign you use them in, until you work out the kinks. And of course if you focus on 10 different vehicles, you won‘t build that many of them.
While of the Panzer IV there were something like 8000 built of all variants, the Panther had around 6000 Units, and less than 2000 Tigers (I&II).
For comparison, the Soviet Union built over 80.000 until the end of the war.
6:03 what is the bracket on the hull of the tank, right below the hatch, painted khaki with a black piece on the end. Is that connected to the khaki square tubing running to the rear, or is that an illusion? It looks like a hinge for the tube to be raised or something, never seen it before now.
Never heard the theory about track cleaning itself (though I admit I'm still baffled by the fact that a front drive sprocket can still have slack track on top: don't get that at all, it ought to be pulled taut, unless all the pictures I've ever seen of them in motion were nly under partial throttle or something).
And the word for a body lacking framework, which uses the outer panels for load-bearing, is "monocoque" . Don't think I've ever heard that term used relative to ta tank, but since you mention it, it certainly fits.
It's such a good museum
Did bulletproof glass exist during WW2? I wouldn't have thought that regular glass would be able to stop a bullet.
Amazing video and great job!
I like how some myths and Hollywood tomfoolery are squashed
Thanks!
Love the sweater
50mm is measured "island to island" by NATO, the Soviets measure "sea to sea". So a Soviet 122/125mm is about 120mm in NATO.
Dunkelgelb isnt a camouflage color. Its the base color to add new colors on it for camouflage :D
More of this kind of stuff! Nice one Lindy, really hope to meet you IRL and we would chat for hours! Peace
T(H)ANK YOU for mentioning this Saving Private Ryan scene!
Damn you’re good! A knowledgeable presentation...
I have a problem with the last fact...i don‘t think the Pz III ever used a 37mm gun
Here's a solution, have drive wheels at the front and back! Simple, all track drive :D
"I have to edit this stuff and I was loosing the will to life" Same
I believe the sprocket wheel debate is stupid, it's a situational thing, in the desert it might be better to use them in the rear as in say Russia, where it gets quite muddy, not saying the desert isn't muddy, but I think it depends from where you are going to be operating.
German tank development office, 1930s: What if Tom Hanks fires a submachine gun into the driver's port?
German Engineering, accounting for everything.
So now we know how old Tom Hanks must really be if he was going around poking his gun at a bloody great German tank! I know because Lindy-Lloyd told me he did !
Most wonderful man to listen to. So like the jolly Graham Chapman.
Panzer III where so beautiful and revolutionary yet so badly designed tanks
yea, shure, they had welded instead of riveted body (which was a late 30's technology which proves how new that was at the time) yea, they where able to be upgraded from 37mm to 50mm gun... they had added frontal body and front turret extra armor...
But in the end the design was limited and was forced to take a role which could had been taken with a more multi-role tank, and that's why production halted at 1943.
On the other hand, Panzer IV received much improved frontal and side armor, and was able to fit a long 76mm gun which kept itself relevant up to the end of the conflict, being a tank kind of on-pair with M4 and T34 up to the last day of the conflict and at the end of the day it would have made much more sense for the germans to simply avoid Panzer III at all and focus only on Panzer IV from early 1942
So Ian Anderson doesnt play flute anymore, But he talks about tanks now? Damn
I sometimes feel like the only thing keeping this guy stable is tanks, I mean tell me he ain’t on crack
beautiful welding
That tank is not painted Dunkegelb. And Dunkegelb was not a "desert" colour.
So, he got the mistakes over and done with at the very start of the video!
thx so much for more uploads lindy ^^.....i love tanks too
We demand more videos like this!
to be honest, you could upload a 5hour video of you just running around in the tank museum unedited and most of us viewers would still listen/watch it.
well he does have a very entertaining presentation style to go with an eclectic range of interests :-)
+
Svyde Evils can we make a petition for it? i'm out of things to watch
I would probably watch a 15 hour version of that
Count me in
He's still in that museum? Someone get that poor man out of there before he starves!
Keep him there and send some sandwiches.
he is starting to look like a homeless grandpa
Lashings of ginger beer too?
I'm sure they have a cafe in there :-)
He gets sustenance from merely viewing the tanks. The true sign of a tank nerd.
“HEY! ..WHO STOLE MY THIRD MG GOD DAMMIT!?”
*other Panzer crew trying to hold in laughter*
NGC 7635 have you watched ford vs Ferrari?
@@luigimrlgaming9484 why?
Pietro Kania idk one of the guys for Ford during the race stole one of Ferrari’s watches
*Wirbelwind commander*; "HEY!..."
When it comes to Panzers, there's no such thing as "too much knowledge"
Silver Chariot is thinking the same thing
Was gonna say, thats a lot of info. with only 10 mins to present...
*"KNOOOOOOWLEEEEEEEEDGEEEEE"*
Silver Chariot I expected at least 30 minutes of lindybeige :(
Silver Chariot yes there is if you think out of the box