Fedora is the new Ubuntu - Fedora Long Term Review
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00:00 Intro
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01:29 What does THAT mean?
02:03 Fedora Pushes Toward the Future of Linux
04:19 The Excitement Factor
05:22 Fedora keeps stability while being current
08:06 Fedora has the default experience
09:46 Fedora has a big community
10:27 Parting Thoughts
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Just to be clear, when I say that Fedora is the new Ubuntu, I mean that Fedora now occupies the place that Ubuntu used to have in terms of Linux distributions. It's a GOOD thing.
One of the things I really enjoy about using Fedora, is that they push the Linux desktop towards the future. Some call it bleeding edge, but it's not. It's cutting edge: you don't get the absolute latest, but you get the best that's also stable.
Fedora was among the first to adopt Wayland, the first to adopt Pipewire, to push Flatpak, portals, the first mainstream distro to push immutable filesystems in Fedora Silverblue.
This drive towards modern tech was what Ubuntu was doing back in the day: they were implementing the latest versions of GNOME, adopted newly developed programs at the time, like Banshee, or F-Spot, they pushed to have better driver integration, and more software available.
Using Fedora, I got that same excitement I used to get when I was using Ubuntu: every 6 months, there's a new drop of amazing updates. You get more modern technologies, you get improved security, you get new features right as they're being released, and you get that sense of really taking advantage of all that new stuff the Linux community talks about.
Fedora is a "current" distro, which means that you get the latest release of all the interesting stuff, like the desktop environments, the linux kernel, the graphics drivers, or wayland. And they do this without sacrificing stability.
Fedora, in my experience with it, has been rock solid. In general, I didn't have many problems with any Linux distro that I daily drove, but all of them tended to exhibit small issues after a while.
My experience with Fedora has been fantastic thanks to this: Flatpak is wonderfully integrated in the GNOME Software app, it's all a one click install, all updates are handled there, I just never think about my system anymore, I just use it. That peace of mind is something I never truly achieved with any other Linux distro
Another thing I really like is that Fedora has the DEFAULT experience. They ship the desktop as is, without any meaningful extensions, themes, configurations, or tweaks.
It's just productivity central. GNOME, for me, doesn't need anything else than the default experience. It is extremely efficient once you wrap your head around how it works, and providing me with a crutch, like an always visible dock, or desktop icons, would just compromise that productivity.
Moving to Fedora also had me learn a few things, especially how to use dnf. I didn't need to use it, but I wanted to; and since I was a lot more familiar with APT, I had no idea what I was doing.
Turns out, Fedora has a huge community as well, something Ubuntu has had since it began, so it's another checkmark next to my "Fedora is the next Ubuntu" checklist - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I feel like having vanilla GNOME is one of Fedora's strongest advantages over other distributions. I absolutely use extensions, but I'd rather be the one choosing them and having a clean install out of the box. My extensions are just, like, hiding the top bar unless I'm in the overview, adding a middle click to close windows in the overview, a couple minor menu tweaks, things like that. I don't want my distribution to hack a Start menu or persistent dock paradigm onto a DE that's fundamentally not designed for it and is, frankly, much better than other DE's strictly because of its overview paradigm.
Exactly! I think going vanilla GNOME makes things much more consistent and reproducible across installations and devices.
I feel the same way, it's easier to start from vanilla and add what you want rather than start from a mess and get it to where you want :p
@@ps5hasnogames55 I don't give a damn about desktop icons. They are not good and you're better using your file manager.
@@ps5hasnogames55 it is actually bad
You will always struggle to convince me that Gnome in its vanilla form is a user-friendly or newbie friendly desktop environment. I'm just an old-fashioned (and old lol) mouse point and click sort of person. I don't 'want' to change, I don't 'want' to learn a new and different desktop paradigm. To me, personally, Gnome is a bit like Arch, it's better for people who are technologically competent and who enjoy fiddling with their systems to get them exactly where they want to be. And, I understand that Gnome probably is really good for people who use their computers for 'work'. For the basic, simple, day to day computer user who likes using a mouse and a GUI, I could never recommend either Gnome or any 'pure' version of Arch... just too high maintenance... IMO :) Oh, the Gnome exceptions are Zorin Core and perhaps Manjaro Gnome... for 'me' :) And the only version of Arch I will ever use is Manjaro. I follow a few simple rules on Manjaro and so far it's always been good for me (I'm talking stable for years now as a basic user) - I avoid the AUR if at all possible, I stick to an LTS kernel wherever possible, and I always do major updates in TTY rather than on the desktop itself. Maybe one day I'll come unstuck on Manjaro... I also accept that nothing is perfect :) DEs and distros are very much an individual user thing and probably always will be. Manjaro and Fedora ARE my two favourite distros, Cinnamon is my favourite DE, it does everything that 'I' need it to do :) Oh, I don't mind Mint and MX either... and Zorin :)
They just need an installer that humans can use and its going to be perfect
Hahaha yeah
the installer is actually getting a rework, according to them. Don’t know when it will be pushed out, though.
LOL it’s not that bad but maybe if you needed to do a bunch of partition management it would be cumbersome? The interface seems a little wonky compared to Calamares but I had no problem getting through it personally
I went with Fedora because of the installer. I needed a RAID setup and when it comes to unorthodox setups Red Hat has made it way easier, and it shows by a mile.
Test yourself, try to set up RAID or some other atypical setup on Arch, Manjaro, what have you, and on Fedora its the easiest.
Have to say though, the bleeding edge repo's on Arch though is light years ahead of Fedora, and I sincerely miss them.
Ouch. Burn....
But yeah. Installer is solid, but the UX is horrendous for Mr everyone.
This all started on Fedora 32, since then it went from meh, to surprisingly good, to the best distro for EVERYONE. Coders, scripters, everyday users, whatever you want to do, Fedora is for you. Hats off to Fedora and their developers, every release they set the bar higher for everyone
I see what you did there.
" they set the bar higher for everyone"
And that's their Achilles heel too. They are planning to remove the time-tested stable Anaconda installer. On top of that, they plan to get rid of native BIOS support and just have UEFI. This means older machines cannot install Fedora anymore.
@@turanamo Bios plan got rejected. Comment aged like milk
@@turanamo How old are you talking. As my HP Elitebook from 2013 has UEFI. Even some machines before then also have UEFI.
@@jimmywoods7404well efi is from the 90s.
The problem is there were many compatability issues with uefi for many years.
I couldn't agree more. Linus from LTT kept knocking Fedora as a meme but he really missed out on a stable user friendly distro. Personally I use arch but my wife and mother are both using fedora and I'm debating about switching back as I'm getting a bit tired of random things breaking and like you said... most things have an RPM or flatpak version nowadays.
Believe me been on arch for a long time, it's not worth it. There is more to love on Fedora. Yes, it's on arch first, but you don't need to manually switch to latest new thing as it will come by default with a new release. Think of pipewire. It's manual work on arch and meanwhile on Fedora pulseaudio will automatically be swapped after an update. And you can be quite certain that the switch won't be rushed or unstable.
@Modzilla I agree. The manual work in arch is getting old. It was more about if I could and less of if I should. 😆
I kind of facepalmed when he poked fun at Fedora.
I switched to linux ater the LTT videos and everything i learned since then tells me linus was an absolute idiot. He made the worst possible decisions at every step, almost like he wanted to point out bugs and scare his nooby audience/create drama rather than try to make it work.
@@kanishcktewatia597
I've been gaming on Linux for quite some time now, and to be completely fair, they did make some good points in that series. The truth is, is that Linux isn't Windows, and it's easy to forget that in terms of games, we are often jumping through a compatibility and translation layer to get those games to work. There are challenges associated with that. The trouble comes in when people expect Linux to behave just like Windows, and close their mind to learning a new way of thinking about things. Those people tend to have a very very hard time. And Linus seemed to be a little stuck in that rut during his segments. There are elements of the Linux experience that need work, and elements that should be made more accessible, but Linux doesn't need to be like Windows to be great. I think a lot of folks get stuck on that.
Been using fedora since fedora 32, and it has been an amazing experience.
The biggest hassle I faced was the extension support when gnome went from version 3.38 to 40, I had to wait months, or find a replacement for most of the extensions I used.
Other than that, It has been great. Having nothing but a small bar on top is so much better for my productivity.
@@ps5hasnogames55 Imagine being a manchild like you
I've been on Fedora since the early 20's release. The only update that was unbearable was F26 because of the kernel 4.4 and the Nvidia GPU issues.Immediately after that, It has been flawless.
I've been using Fedora since version 7. It was pleasant ride all the way. :)
Those Ubuntu 10.10 clips gave me nostalgia and reminded me of why I used to love it so much. I loved Unity too.
Good for Canonical for being able to turn a profit, but maybe it would be better if they exited the desktop space. Or make Ubuntu Desktop a full community project.
They need to keep some influence on the Desktop although if it is minimal, Ubuntu Desktop can be a profitable in the future
@@AdiPrimandaGinting a perfect world would be if they went the Red Hat route.
A community distro that acts as upstream for a commercial distro.
@@davidnotonstinnett I don't think Fedora is completely community run. Redhat has a lot of stake to drive Fedora in a way that would turn profit for them
@@AdiPrimandaGinting Correct, it is not completely community run, but it is largely community managed,
Fedora is run by the Fedora Council (great name btw), which is made up of members of both the community and Red Hat Employees.
The Council Chair is selected by Red Hat and approved by the Fedora Council.
The idea is to let Fedora function independently but make sure it stays on a path where it can act as upstream for RHEL.
Contrast with Ubuntu, which is made in house by canonical.
@@davidnotonstinnett Not correct on Ubuntu part. Ubuntu is like the fruit of labor between community and Canonical although I think Canonical has always have more power being the financier of the project. Ubuntu community has its own community structure with community council and technical board being on top. Although from your comment, I think Fedora community has more power than Ubuntu community in deciding the life of their respective distro.
After building my first desktop PC in 20+ years, and trying Ubuntu first... I ultimately went with Fedora 35 + Windows 10. Fedora's been working great, and the most annoying thing so far (which is completely surface-level) is that OpenRGB requires a bit more work to get it running on Fedora.
And sometimes other packages assume you use a Debian derived OS, and you have to compile or manually install something on Fedora.
Great to see that you landed on Fedora! I'm a RX600XT user on F35 myself and it's great. You should read up on dnf as the package manger, it has some awesome features like downloading rpms (or cloning full on repos), rolling back transactions based on a bash like history, not breaking over a wonky ssh connection (not great on apt ....), updating the repos without running update and installing rpms directly from URLs with depency check and everything.
Packaging would be my main concern for switching to Fedora as well. I think of it as probably a cooler distro than Ubuntu, but less effortlessly practical due to not being the default/most mainstream choice. I also don't want to learn a new package manager and package repo/package ecosystem... Hmm.
@@MrSmitheroons it's actually not hard at all. Instead of debs you have rpms that you can install with dnf install ./my.rpm . To do all other stuff it's quite similar to apt, you just don't need to update the repos all the time, dnf does it automatically. So to update use dnf update. And if you want to install software from the repos use dnf install xyz. That's it. All of that can also be done in gnome software, so don't be afraid.
fedora new king of bloatware?
@@MrSmitheroons with flatpak is not really a problem anymore, for GUI apps ofc
I agree 100%. I've been on Fedora KDE for several months and I feel like it's my new long-term distro; no more temptation to distro-hop! It's great for users, and it's great for developing on top of. And the KDE version is not a second-class citizen! The worst feature is the installer, but hopefully you'll only have to see it once...
I remember installing RH 7.3 being better than fedora nowadays, it's a pity
I thought you guys use daily built KDE Neon?
@@4n0nmann5 Some of us do. But Neon Unstable is actually better for QA than development. For development, you generally build everything from source yourself (because you're hacking on it), so you don't need a distro in which everything is built from source every day for you. For developers it's more inortant that supporting software libraries are kept up to date, and for this a rolling release distro or semi-rolling distro like Fedora is better. But Neon Unstable is quite useful for dedicated QA people, bug triagers, etc.
@@ps5hasnogames55 Yes, Fedora KDE does need to 'modernize' some of their 'older' apps into newer and more viable ones... but, you can still elect to use X11 rather than Wayland at the login screen. Still, not sure if that is really Fedora's fault with the apps or KDE's fault :)
I love Fedora. I have had absolutely 0 issues. I can not say the same for arch
Been on Fedora since 27, upgraded all the way until 35 and looking forward to 36. Welcome to Fedora fam!
Thanks :) I'm eagerly awaiting for Fedora 36!
@@TheLinuxEXP if you want to push updates to an after though, enable auto updates on the app store. Also works for Flatpaks!
I like this channel a lot. The exact stuff I want to know in order to move to another distro as my daily driver is covered here. I wish I had more time to experiment with more distros but as a freelance web dev time gets scarse 😞, however I agree and share these feelings of Ubuntu and after using it for years I'll move to fedora and feel excited about the experience of working on it full time and see how it goes. Thanks for that!.
You speak exactly from my soul. I've been using Fedora for a few years and the system runs and runs. I don't have to fix anything all the time.
I would only change three things about Fedora:
Flathub directly integrated
Offer RPM Fusion completely as a third-party source.
Installer also for beginners (but they're already working on that).
In my experience Fedora is one of the best distribution. I like the default features, the look and feel, and the stability. Especially when developing applications, the performance is perfect. But, the only issue that I faced is some libraries being incompatible when working with machine learning. Ubuntu has a bigger community when talking about ML, which comes in handy when I get stuck on something related to libraries and packages dependencies.
Using guix or nix on fedora as a overlay. Is the ultimate dev setup
Don't forget that Fedora Server with Cockpit is also an amazing experience! Makes me wonder why people got all mad about the CentOS switch (I mean I know why they got mad, but still)
I've been saying this for a while. Fedora is my new goto recommendation for new users. It "just works*" more than Ubuntu far more often for me. Flatpaks by default is also good for letting new users avoid the terminal.
I 100% agree with everything you said here. Fedora is awesome because its not bleeding edge but is current. Provides stock desktop and apps instead of bloated messes. And uses the godly Flatpaks by default along with Wayland, Pipewire, etc. It's like legitimately my ideal distro.
Fedora's only weakness is its installer. If it adopted the Elementary/PopOS installer it would be god-tier.
Flatpaks are shit, just install software with your package manager from the terminal using simple and easy to learn commands.
Linus level sponsor segues, love it
Everyone: You should put everything on your desktop in a folder
Me: but the desktop is a folder
Everyone: ... You aren't wrong, but I hate you
but in some distributions the system adds icons dynamically to the desktop (usb...), if all your stuff is in a single subfolder, the system icons will be much easier to find/see ... imo
It's nice to see a healthy competition and constant progression among Linux distros. I've been off Windows for a number of years now using Linux Mint and I love it!
Two years ago, i hopped from Ubuntu to Fedora after finally having had enough of outdated Ubuntu repos, and I never looked back. And like you said, despite the cutting-edge mentality, Fedora has been rock-solid for me since day 1.
Great video.. glad I subscribed.. I'm looking forward to trying out this Linux version.. I'm just doing my homework first in what's best for me . Thanks a lot.. great advice!
Your sense of humor makes the content that much more enjoyable. Well done, sir.
I wanted to dip my toes in the 'immutable filesystem' OS waters. After surveying the landscape, chose Fedora Silverblue to try mainly because it defaults to GNOME (bonus that Fedora tracks the GNOME release cadence; note, Fedora Kinoite is the KDE spin of Silverblue).
So, I installed Fedora Silverblue in a VM and was pleased to find that its defaults are things that I'd normally need to configure myself like btrfs w/compression, zram, /tmp on in-RAM tmpfs, a release-tracking Linux kernel, etc. Finding toolbox was also a pleasant surprise, as it makes using containers for running apps & doing software development super easy. Flatpak wasn't much of a consideration but it'll be nice to have fresh apps with no dependency problems.
I was tired of maintaining franken-buntu & franken-debian installations, so after a trial run on some older hardware and finding Firefox pre-configured for Wayland (Intel graphics) and buttery smooth, I made the jump to Fedora Silverblue as my main desktop OS. Adding RPM Fusion's libva-intel-driver & ffmpg-libs was an easy fix for hardware video decode for Firefox.
So yeah, I think Fedora is quickly becoming the new Ubuntu.
Glad to see Fedora getting the love it deserves. Fedora is amazingly stable for a semi-rolling release style distro, and it has been amazing for gaming.
Fedora is not semi rolling.
@@babyboomertwerkteam5662 On Fedora, you get regular app updates (not just bugfixes (like on Debian) but real updates to newer versions) even within a version cycle. You even get regular kernel updates within a version cycle. Compared to Debian which sticks with the same LTS versions of their apps for two years.
So when compared to Debian, Fedora can be seen as semi-rolling.
@@sebKern91 The amount of updates you get isn't what makes a distro "rolling" or not. Rolling releases pull from the same repositories forever and never branch into different versions. It doesn't matter if the distro freezes on one app version like Debian or gives you new app versions during a release like Fedora - if the distro has multiple versions, it by definition cannot be considered a rolling release.
I should also mention that you're not guaranteed to get new app versions on one version of Fedora - this is especially true with desktop environments - each version of Fedora stays on one version of its desktop per release with the only exception being KDE due to its release schedule and buggier nature, and even then typically only one upgrade is allowed per Fedora version, with very rare exceptions (for example, Fedora 35 got two Plasma upgrades, but it was only because Plasma 5.23 couldn't be thoroughly tested in time for its release so Fedora 35 had to ship with Plasma 5.22.5 on release). Fedora's stable update policy for apps specifically disallows updating apps and libraries if they change the user interface or API, with only some exceptions (web browsers for example), and all new app versions are putt through testing before they're released to Fedora's repositories. If an app doesn't pass testing, it gets delayed until it's fixed, or it doesn't get shipped. Kernel versions for example; major versions do not get shipped until there's been about 2 weeks of testing.
Also, there is a rolling version of Fedora called Rawhide, but it's experimental (to the point where even the kernel is straight off Linus Torvalds' git master branch) and isn't intended for anyone other than developers.
Set my friend up with a Lenovo, installed Fedora, she was up and running in an hour. Couldn't have been easier, and Flatpaks are amazing.
I fully agree! When I read about Dirty Pipes a week ago, I ran to my desktop to update my kernel. To my surprise, it was already 5.16.11 since my last update two weeks ago. I love Fedora.
Btw "typing the name of the app I want" is usually just typing 2 or 3 letters of the name .The shell learns your commonly used apps and will highlight those selections.
Also you don't even need to know the name: "ph..." will bring up a selection of photo related apps such as shotwell and GIMP
Spyware at its best.
Couldn't agree more. I recently fell in love with Fedora and vanilla Gnome as well. I'm really looking forward to Fedora 36 and Gnome 42!
I still have to install dash to panel, input output device picker and a few other extensions. Stock gnome is perfectly usable and i feel like casual users would love it, but when it comes to getting stuff done, a taskbar will always be the best option for me. It also gives you the ability to switch workspaces with the mouse wheel hover the taskbar, and the ability to isolate them, which stock gnome doesn't do. What's the point of workspaces if the apps running in each are not separate instances?
@@ent2220 Use KDE then I guess? People need to stop turning Gnome into something it was never meant to be IMO.
@@maxarendorff6521 I don't like KDE. KDE feels worse than windows to me. Gnome is so sleek and starts off so barebones. Thats what I want, and then add stuff as I seee fit. 90 percent of apps and prebuilt stuff on KDE distros I don't want. I also don't like many of their apps that start with K
@@maxarendorff6521 like I really really don't like KDE. The settings app, the way the whole thing is basically. The only two things I like is they let you change default file manager and dolphin s "extract here" "extract to seperate folder" context menu options. Other than that there is nothing that I like about KDE. Xfce is much much better and gnome is the best
Nice video Nick! I made the move about a year ago and have really found the community to be awesome.
Both Fedora 36 and Ubuntu 22.04, which both will be released in April, include GNOME 42, which itself was released on March 23. I'm glad to see Ubuntu devs are starting to prioritize the implementation of the latest GNOME versions. It's probably thanks to distros like Fedora that give Ubuntu a little wakeup call and make them compete harder.
I've been using Fedora KDE, and it's really solid. A good in-between for those getting into Linux and power users that don't like the instability that Arch can have at times. It even has a UEFI boot logo screen, which is nice from a polish perspective.
Only downside is that there's no option in the installer for Fedora KDE to automatically install NVIDIA Drivers, Flatpak, and RPMFusion.
Yeah, the default no third party packages can be a pain, but I think since it’s sponsored and basically owned by red hat, there might be some legal issues when hosting the software versus giving the software in a repo for you to install afterwards.
That’s what a red hatter told me from the legal side of things.
@@ps5hasnogames55 Could just uninstall those pieces of software. Or just install regular Fedora, install KDE Plasma, and then remove the GNOME portion of it.
So far, I've had less issues with that than KDE on Arch for example, which doesn't even install packagekit-qt5 by default, leading to Discover and a lot of stuff not working.
@@ps5hasnogames55 Not necessarily. It's more like the KDE Desktop environment option used for archinstall installs Discover by default without installing the dependencies that are required to use it.
I definitely do agree that distributions should be more lightweight, and that Fedora should just give the option of installing an alternate desktop environment from the installer image rather than relying on a third-party for a good OOB experience. Manjaro from my experience is way more bloated than this spin of Fedora though, although that's not really saying much.
Ive always thought of Fedora as a Gnome distro, I might check out the KDE spin if people dont have the issues with KDE like we did in the past.
Interesting to hear that. In the past, I read about some people having issues with Fedora KDE. I read that the KDE spin isn't as well polished as the Gnome version. But if it's now stable, maybe I should give it a try.
I currently use Fedora Gnome but I'm thinking about switching back to KDE. Gnome 41 is great but still I sometimes think that KDE is better suited for me.
In the past, I used KDE neon, but with its Ubuntu LTS base, it has problems with outdated software. For example, you get a rather old version of the Flatpak platform, thus some apps like Eclipse won't work. You get old kernels, lacking features like proper NTFS support (kernel 5.15) or support for the Nintendo Switch controller (kernel 5.16). Pulseaudio showed some instabilities, while in Fedora, you get PipeWire, which just works fine (even with effect programs like EasyEffects).
So I think about installing Fedora KDE anytime soon.
Fedora “just works”, which is good insofar as it keeps you focused on your work and the system is very stable. It’s a downside when you want to dig into the inner workings of the system. I love Fedora on my laptop, where the trackpad gestures and streamlined UI really take advantage of that device’s hardware. However for my desktop I’m sticking with Endeavour+KDE for now since it is more pleasant to customize to my liking, and KDE has a lot of useful features and powerful stock apps.
I'd use Fedora Gnome myself, but currently using EndeavourOS Gnome with pacman and AUR, and the EndeavourOS community its just so good I can't imagine using anything else right now.
Give Fedora KDE a spin, it's been really fine on my laptop for quite a while
@Sergio Cuervo yeah I was gonna say that
Very good video. I used to hop between Debian, Ubuntu and Mint, but on my new laptop, decided to add Fedora to the mix, and within a few days, I decided to make Fedora my daily use distro. I am extremely happy with it. Fedora 35, and then 36. It was a breeze to upgrade also.
What’s laptop do you use as your daily driver? To edit videos, write scripts and code?
I use a desktop :) And I don't code!
I have a ryzen 7 5800H, an RTX3070 and 32GB of RAM.
I wrote scripts on a laptop though, the Slimbook Pro x14, and soon on the Tuxedo Stellaris 15
@@TheLinuxEXP thanks very much man!
I 100% agree! I was a big fan of Solus when 4.0 came out. It had all the right right software and good enough updates. I like mint, but i grew out of cinnamon. After the major update to gnome happened, I was hesitant to go to fedora. I tried Manjaro again, but it broke within one update... So I went to fedora! Watched a few videos to tweak it...and boom! Not looking back! They have won me over!
Philosophically I also really like Solus (and Budgie). Was most recently using Ubuntu Budgie, which is a really great distro, but had all kinds of issues I don't have with Fedora: LightDM tried to go to login before finding GPU/loading kernel, power-profiles-daemon was broken and some other error messages.
I went back to Fedora and even installed the Fedora 36 Beta and it's great. No issues. There's a "We've got this" vibe about Fedora I've only gotten from a couple distros.
How do you grow out of Cinnamon? You can download any DE on Mint too and they also have XFCE and MATE editions ready to go.
@@folksurvival mainly looking for a better flow and or technology. Yes they are a very good. Yes I will continue to recommend it. I just like fedora at this time.
I really like their implementation of Cinnamon as well, feels every bit as polished as their GNOME release. A lot of disros don't put as much effort in with alternate DEs, but fedora does this well. I've been using it now for about a year and I just struggle to find any disadvantages.
Their Cinnamon implementation is just as good as Linux Mint.
Do the use wayland or x11 as a graphic server? I suppose, since cinnamon is being developed by the Mint team, it runs on x11...
Very Nice! Switching to Fedora was an idea i had a few days ago and now I cant wait of doing this move!❤
Great review Nick. Thanks for the insight. I’ve been looking at another distro for a while as I’ve been using Kubuntu for several years.
I’ll definitely give Fedora a try 👍
Sometimes I feel allot of Linux users don't realise or understand that Ubuntu is an Enterprise distribution with a vast user base and they need to cater for the masses not the niche.
Ubuntu doesn't have the luxury of what Fedora is to Redhat where Redhat can pick and choose what they want to put in the next version or RHEL. No the Linux community demand that Ubuntu has to be Bleeding edge and Enterprise at the same time and if they falter, they get their ass handed to them by the community!
I’ve said this many times but the Linux community needs to step out side the box and understand that the wider world doesn't really care about the OS. It needs to be stable, simple to use and do the job. Ubuntu fits this well and that’s why we see it everywhere in the wild. Stablity is key to the enterprise world and Ubuntu gives you that with the bonus of a modern look and feel.
exactly
"It needs to be stable, simple to use and do the job" The issue is that the impression is that these things are not so much the case anymore. It looks a lot like other distro's are getting so much better whith all these things...
"gives you that with the bonus of a modern look and feel" Well, they all do that...
We're talking specifically about what's best AS A DESKTOP. If canonical doesn't prioritize that, they shouldn't present ubuntu as a desktop os.
This is an old comment but I really believe Ubuntu has its own place in the Linux community. Most schools and colleges just keep using Ubuntu and expect their students to be familiar with Ubuntu tools.
Fedora and OpenSuse for me are the top 2 distros. I can read about new KDE enhancements and install them just days later.
Solid comparison between a Ubuntu and Fedora. I discussed Fedora in my July 2019 video where I examined the larger picture and show the switch from Microsoft Windows. Great to see Fedora’s potential realized in today’s discussion.
Used Ubuntu and Ubuntu gnome from 2013 - 2017, Arch and others for a few years.
Now I have been using Fedora for about a year and I really love it, it is my home now, can't distrohop anymore. I agree with the excitement aspect too.
Great video BTW.
You should switch from virtualbox to virt-manager then you could play with pci-passthrough (note: chose windows as the machine install type even installing linux for pci passthrough) And You can do this with one video card if you have another machine you can use to connect to it using x2go.
Yeah, I should probably do that
Apparently I'm too stupid to figure out virt-manager. Maybe Nick could do a video for my pea sized brain?
@@TheLinuxEXP yeah especially since VirtualBox needs uses dkms and has to build the kernel modules on every kernel update... And dkms modules tend to break, sooner or later. I tried VB for some time for vagrant but VB is just terrible software imho and just completely switched libvirt for vagrant as well. Gnome boxes and virt-manager ftw. To see your boxes VMs you only need to add the libvirt user session in virt-manager. And virt-manager really isn't hard to use!
@@kevinbreen4510 Chris Titus had a few good videos on it but I wouldn't mind another video or two.
If I get brave enough maybe I'll give a video a shot.
I have been useing fedora as my daily driver on my laptops andmy desktop. It has worked out great. It seems like Im one of the only people that likes Gnome, and the software I need works so Im happy. I only wish they had a LTS version but thats not really what fedora is about. All in all been very happy with it over the last 5 years.
Just started trying dev builds of Fedora 36 with GNOME 42. Other than the occasional bug that is expected from pre-release software, it’s been absolutely amazing! Fedora 36 polishes up a few things and of course includes all the new features of GNOME 42, which is chocked full of awesome stuff! (I particularly love the new text editor, dynamic light/dark wallpapers, and redesigned overlays for volume / brightness / switching workspaces, but there are so many more new features in it that all feel fresh yet polished.)
Stayed for the reviews, not disappointed
after trying fedora, distro hopping became more about reminding me of how Fedora doesn't need replacing than anything else
In my experience of using Fedora, the installation was more awkward than others, but the main issue for me is that performance was noticeably slower compared with Debian/Ubuntu based distros, such as Kubuntu, Mint, MX Linux, Neon, Feren etc.
Interesting video. I was using Fedora a couple of yers ago, now switched to Mac + Kali (Security-related job). So maybe it's time to check Fedora out in a VM. Thanks for the video!
I have your outro as my ringtone. You can have never too much of The Linux Experiment.
I've been preaching this like a madman for a while now ! All these ubuntu based distros should really consider rebasing themselves on Fedora, if that's even possible. I think a Fedora based PopOS, Mint or Elementary would be great and would reduce the workload of distro mantainers trying compensate for the Ubuntu LTS delay when implementing new teck and updating packages. It would also would help pull more people into working on the teck that's trully driving Linux desktop towards the future.
well, Mint is not going to use Fedora, as their backup option is pure Debian (check LMDE)
still, Pop!_OS on Fedora would be great considering the fact it's a quite good gaming distro
@@erned8445 If Mint used Fedora as their base they wouldn't 'need' to have LMDE as a back up. I prefer LMDE to Mint Cinnamon these days anyway, lighter, faster and more stable.
Basically Ubuntu needs to drop all of its Snaps and one-off customizations and become an APT-based version of Fedora-a constant, vanilla, cutting-edge release without an LTS every 2 years to slow it down. Then produce a completely separate, biannual distro called Ubuntu LTS that incorporates the features from the mainline distro that have proven to be stable.
Ubuntu needs to do this, because right now the “perfect distro” for beginners really doesn’t exist. Fedora is DARN close, but they still fall short with auto-signing kernel modules for secure boot. DNF is also really great-better than APT frankly-but 90% of online forums and TH-cam tutorials assume APT is being used.
@@emjaycee I don't think Fedora base would be something that's in line with Mint's vision - to be nothing but stability and ease to use. especially minding that Fedora utilises Anaconda installer, which might be confusing to the beginner, comparing to Ubiquity.
@@erned8445 Mint could use any installer they want. I know the Ubiquity and/or Calamares installer is simpler, but I actually like the new LMDE5 installer of all of them. As far as stability goes, I think Fedora is significantly more stable than what Ubuntu offers these days. The Debian base is very stable, but Debian also has its limitations. I do agree with you though that the Fedora base probably isn't in Mint's vision... doesn't mean it shouldn't be though :) If Mint used Fedora's standard package base and then added what is included in RPM Fusion (like Ultramarine does), they would have everything they need. Some of Mint's special GUI apps would 'probably' translate across pretty well. I'm sure it would be a lot of work to make the transition, but if they are looking to the future, it probably should be under consideration. And just add in the latest LTS kernel every 6 months and you'd be set :)
I could definitely use fedora as my main distro, but I just prefer arch linux because of the aur.
Thank you Nick for the excellent video! Perhaps a nice idea for a next video would be a Gnome workflow guide or Gnome tutorial for efficiency and its philosophy...
This is amazing!!!!!! I started out using Linux with Fedora a decade ago. I'm gonna try it out again
I didn't get the youtube notification for this! How could youtube not let me see this video! (and I get it as I was writing this)
My thought exactly. I've been thinking about switching to Fedora for a while now. It seems they are the cutting edge/stability friendly to newcomers. The installation process feels fresh and easy and the onboarding is perfect.
Ubuntu is always stuck in the past, thanks to their lts not being sync with Gnome Releases. It's always the same. You get a new Ubuntu release with packages that are 6months old already and you are stuck with them for 2 years.
Alright Nick, I've taken your word for it and switched to Fedora 35 from Feren OS: the stability is truly amazing, also considering you get Btrfs and Wayland both out of the box, and you're right about the stock GNOME workflow just needing a bit of getting used to (plus Dash to Dock in my case as I'm Latte addicted), I'm sold and will keep on using this distro as my main notebook OS, merci beaucoup!
It's been many, many years since I used Fedora. Going to have a play with it after seeing your video :-)
I changed from Ubuntu to Fedora last saturday and man, i really, really like fedora it's smooth af! The only pain in the ass is the need to sign the nvidia kernel if i have secure boot but i can deal with it. Really happy with the change so far. :D
That is why I went with an AMD Video card. No headaches at all.
A rolling release done right is OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Builds go through their OpenBuild and OpenQA services to ensure stability and they usually match or beat Fedora on introducing new tech.
+ BTRFS w/ Snapper setup out of the box
I'm on tumbleweed now and was on Fedora 32/33 before.. I like them both and would be happy with either.
@@ChaiBronz Same. I’ve have Tumbleweed on a laptop for 2 years now and have never had an update break something. Either updating several times a week, or letting them build up for months.
I was once interested in Krypton, which is based on openSUSE Tumbleweed. But then Suse disabled support for F2FS, so I have to avoid Suse now, until they re-enable it.
I distro hop all over, trying different Linux distributions, but I kept coming back to Fedora. It felt the most comfortable to me. I love it! Great review bro.
I've been using Fedora for months too on my main PC.... Mainly for command (and package) inter compatibility with my Rocky servers.
I've sidelined Gnome & installed the Cinnamon desktop environment... been very happy with it so far.
I can't wait for the day when fedora gets a proper installer and even a speedy package manager. I hope in the future, I can tell interested friends that I recommend fedora instead of ubuntu. Fedora imo >>> ubuntu
Fedora is open source ?
Is fedora using dnf or yum?
Is fedora a red hat distro?
Is fedora bleeding edge distro?
Does it have the option to choose the C stdlib?
Does firefox run out of the box?
@@xrafter Fedora is open source.
It uses dnf.
Fedora is upstream to RHEL, so features in fedora will eventually make its way into rhel.
Fedora isint necessarily bleeding edge, but it does implement new features once they are stable. a good example is picom, a good package for ricing. Fedora is the only point release distro that has picom 9.1.
About your C stdlib question, I don’t know much about that.
Firefox is preinstalled and runs out of the box.
You can tweak DNF to do parallel downloads similar to pacman on Arch, as well as defaulting to the fastest mirror. These two things speed it up quite a bit.
Never had any problem with it's installer, actually the Fedora Media Installer makes it even easier to create the bootable media.
The package manager thing sounds also as a no problem. Just configure it to do parallel downloads and don't refresh cache so often.
@@Parallax9999
Thanks.
And Redhat is the new Canonical 😂
Hey Nic.. love your videos. Nice coverage!
I've installed fedora to give it a try because of this video. So far, so good. Thanks!
Anaconda and dnf was the weak parts of my last Fedora experience, I heard they're working on a new installer and importance of dnf decreases year by year. Exciting stuff!
dnf will replace yum
@@rishirajsaikia1323 I mean you (fortunately) don't have to use dnf that much anymore. Especially when there are flatpak and toolbx/distrobox etc. I find it really sluggish whatever I do to workaround.
@@Beryesa. There are some tweaks that need to be made in the dnf.conf, such as setting it to use the fastest mirrors and increasing the parallel downloads... For some reason the Fedora team won't make those changes a default.
@@ximplex1 No worries, did my wiki tour properly as an Arch tradition and ik that, but thanks :D
Fastest mirror might be fastest ping-wise, but download speed itself might be awful, hence developers do not make it default option. So basically YMMV.
My absolute favourite Distro for over a decade. I cannot begin to describe all the things I love about Fedora.
I have been using fedora for a while now on my laptop and stock gnome really is amazing on laptops.
The mousepad gestures are something I’d never like to miss
Love your video's and most importantie your voice. Always clear always Soothing
With Windows 11 you also get this feeling of don‘t having to care about your system. Great video, Fedora is just a great mix of Manjaro and Ubuntu😂
As i mentioned a few days ago in one of your previous videos (about ubuntu) Fedora is the most stable and functional distro while i really don't like the anaconda installer. Also Fedora used to focus on Gnome which is great. I like Gnome, but i prefer much more the KDE Plasma Desktop and i would like to see more attention from the Fedora Dev Team on it. I would like also to mention (as addition) about the BTRFS Filesystem. Btrfs is used by default in Fedora since version 33, even though OpenSUSE use it earlier(maybe other distros too), Fedora's adoption made more people to play with it. Somehow the same thing as you told about Wayland. You know i'm very happy to see such video about Fedora on this channel and i really thank you because i believe this video will attrack more people to Fedora.
Does Plasma put as much emphasis on accessibility? The only desktops that will win in the long run are ones that have comprehensive accessibility settings, because without that many people will continue to use desktops that do or continue to use Windows and MacOS for these features instead.
I don’t think you’ll remember this but
a few months back you dropped a fedora video and just a day before that I distributed hopped to pop os or something.
But watching your video craved me to install fedora and it’s been in my laptop ever since!
Before that I used to distort hop literally every week but not anymore!
Thanks to fedora I’ve stopped hopping distros because as you said,”it’s THAT good!”.
As always great video Nick.
❤️
Excellent video. I'll try Fedora again. Right now I'm using Debian Gnome.
I'd love to use it. Last time I tried a Fedora 35 install, I discovered that there's no support for zfs in that version, which is a show-stopper for me.
You use ZFS on your pc as the root file system?
just add the fedora repos from zfs yourself. Fedora does not support it because upstream (linus towarlds/the kernel) does not want to support it for licensing reasons. I must say, I have not tried it because of that, but it should be possible
@@scooter4196 Yes. Works fine with ubuntu/neon/manjaro. The ability to wind back time using zfs snapshots has proved to be invaluable.
Having Flatpak as an option for certain applications is good to have, but I prefer "native" packages maintained by my distribution maintainer. The future is not Flatpak, the future is a mix of different technologies including Flatpak.
I recently needed an application, but could not use it in Linux because they only offered a Snap and I do not have Snap enabled on my system and do not plan to. Ah I remember what it was, it was the App from Github to verify my system or something similar. Currently I can't do that, because I do not use official Google store either on my smartphone with an old LineageOS.
Perfect timing! I was looking for the next distro-hopping target. Had less than perfect experience with Manjaro (braking on updates), PopOS is not as stable as I anticipated. Was thinking of EndeavourOS, but what I really want is a cutting-edge experience that is also stable. Downloading Fedora now.
This is very interesting! I had a lot of frustration working with both Ubuntu and Pop!, which pushed me to Manjaro. If I ever run into problems with my Manjaro install, I will look into trying Fedora!
I was on arch with KDE it was cool then I switched to Fedora Gnome feeling like going from the chad distro to nooby distro
But after a week I realized that it s just a great distro. Everything works fine, I don't have to take care of anything.
Now it s my favorite distro I ve installed sway on it s great
The only problem is the installer
They should take ideas from opensuse installer and Yast.
And also I m not a big fan of flatpak they should have borrowed more idea from NixOS when creating silverblue but well it cam still evolved and right now it s one of the greatest distro
And nice business model too so it will last
I went with Fedora Silverblue to try the while immutable Filesystem and sandboxing thing. And it's been pretty awesome so far.
I really like about Fedora that we get the new technologies without being bleeding edge with all the packages and libraries.
I was thinking of going with it. I already install every possible app from flatpak (even replace built in apps with the flatpak version), but what about apps that don't have a flatpak? System apps, some less popular apps like XDM which only have an installation (SH) script. Can silverblue even handle those?
@@ent2220 you have a bunch of tools to address those. For those apps from the repos you need closely integrated into the system, you can use rpm-ostree to layer them on the base image.
For the others, there is always toolbox-containers to run them in, since you have proper dnf and stuff in that to set up all the dependencies
I'm considering trying this as immutable appears to be gaining popularity. Anything that would cause you to switch to mainstream fedora or is everything simple to work with?
@@kevinbreen4510 for me? No. I love it. Everything is neatly compartmentalized or layered, i don't have to worry about the system itself. It just took a bit to get used to, so, the more you are a Poweruser who installs arch from the bare ones base for breakfast, the harder it's probably gonna be.
@@Wrzlprnft the main reason I like flatpak is because it reminds me more of windows. They get installed in var/lib/flatpak and user files go to the .var folder in your home directory. This way every app goes in its own folder. I really don't like the way Linux typically installs things otherwise. Where it puts files in who knows how many folders all over the root directory. Flatpak really is the future
Thanks for all the great videos.
Been using Fedora for 4 years now. Love it. It’s basically upstream for RHEL and I use RHEL a lot at work so it’s nice to play with the cool new stuff before it’s put in the new builds for RHEL.
They're using it vanilla-like instead of trying to tweak a DE look like something else. Plus, we've got Flatpaks.
not many people mention how hard it is to partition a drive is on fedora and how glitchy nvidia optimus/bumblebee drivers are out of the box.
these are the only major blockers for me for using fedora.
Yep, that's been my experience, as well
If you have a 1000 series GeForce or newer, laptop switching works by default in the newer Nvidia drivers.
@@scooter4196 I have an mx350 it's relatively new and I tried F35 and it wasn't successful for me. it always had "failed to load in kernel module" on boot screen
Excellent review. I'm going to (as we say here in Brasil) jump into the pool... rsrsrs. Thanks a lot...
I think that's the second video where you get to talk about Fedora Gnome. Made me really curious to try it out too. Thanks for the video, your input and feedback is always appreciated!
Hey, I'm really curious about your thoughts on Fedora 36.
You know what? I've been having a lot of trouble with Manjaro recently, especially with updates almost every time I turn my PC on. KDE has also been pretty buggy, it seems, and basic functionally like remembering my desktop layout has just completely broken. The last time I tried Fedora, I accidentally briked it while trying to install Nvidia dirvers, but you've convinced me to give Fedora another go! Cheers
As a Manjaro developer, Fedora is my second choice after Manjaro, and I often follow Fedora development for new ideas for Manjaro gnome.
Check out void its rolling release like manjaro but stable enough for daily use and no systemd
Ubuntu just works... This is what I need as a software engineer.
The reason why Ubuntu gets hate is because it has problems that don't pertain to stability in particular, that other Ubuntu-based distros don't have. For example, Pop!_OS, Linux Mint, and Zorin OS are also stable and easy to use. Some people just don't like Canonical, and, by extension, don't like Ubuntu. Some people also really hate snaps, which are shoved down your throat when you use Ubuntu. I personally don't like the way snap packages function and others just hate it because the backend is proprietary which really doesn't help snap's case.
So yea, if you like Ubuntu and you like the stability, keep on using it. When people complain about Ubuntu, they're usually nitpicking things that don't matter to you, but Ubuntu is still completely functional.
Wait till they understand that they have to update Fedora every 6 months.
I've been using Pop_OS, but I have been considering Fedora since it allegedly has great community support for Asus hardware. I think you just convinced me to make the switch. You also earned a new follow--great content!
I am still at Ubuntu 20.04...next year probably I will change my distro , this video is quite informative..thanks...
Been trying the Ubuntu 22.04 development version for a couple of days and have been very pleased with the aesthetics, performance and stability. The user interface and desktop interface are top notch, really beautiful and customizable. Well done for the Ubuntu team. Great LTS release! Congratulations
One good thing about Fedora is it's easy to game with hybrid graphic laptops now with no need for a switcher. Just install Nvidia driver and right click the game and launch using discreet graphics.
Pretty sure that's a gnome thing
Either Gnome or Fedora this sounds awesome. How is battery life on laptops?
@@kevinbreen4510 in general battery life on linux sucks
although I never tested laptops that come pre-installed with linux
@Shen Bapiro I've experienced this myself. I know there are distros working hard to fix the battery issues but I'm curious now if something like system 76 does well since it's pre-installed. Doubtful though.
@@kevinbreen4510 For me Fedora has the best battery life on my laptop out of all distros I've tried
Thanks for the video. The title looks inspired by the comments from last week’s Ubuntu video.
It was planned before that, but that comment definitely reinforced my opinion:)
Been using fedora since 12-14, now this REHL scares me
I flip flop from Fedora and Pop!_OS. I wish Pop would rebase on top of Fedora. Probably won't happen, especially with Pop focusing on their own desktop environment, but one can dream.
I'm sure Cosmic will be available on Fedora once it's a standalone DE
@@TheLinuxEXP Yeah that's a good point.
I remember back in 05 when I first tried linux and Fedora and Suse were considered the beginner friendly distros, with Ubuntu being the literally brand new kid on the block, at it's second iteration I think. Nice to see the more things change the more they stay the same ;-P
EDIT. I was with you until you said Ubuntu or ZorinOS don't get the latest Gnome. That's a plus for them and a minus for Fedora. True, Gnome is a minus for all, but it's a smaller minus in the cases of Ubuntu and ZorinOS.
What don’t you like about the latest Gnome? Just the fact that it uses more system resources or something about the interface?
@@walking_on_earth There are 4 types of linux users:
1. People who live in the TTY - we call these people sys admins.
2. People who post images on r/linuxporn - we call these people WM users.
3. People who think that KDE isn't polished enough and who might use something other than KDE because they don't want to spend their day setting KDE up just like they want - we call these people Desktop Linux users.
4. People who think Gnome has too many features and could do with a few being removed - preferably while increasing the memory footprint of Gnome as a whole - we call these people Gnome developers.
Now, to answer your question with another question: why are you a Gnome apologist?
@@AlucardNoir pfffft
I was so inspired I installed it today ! For the moment it's looking and feeling great 😁
I'm using this now as a daily driver for a ThinkPad X220. It feels smoother than Windows 10. Your video helped me decide on Fedora. Thank you!
I've been using Linux Mint for years, but I decided to give Fedora a try a few months ago. The experience has been a mixed bag. It is "stable" in the sense it will not hang your PC, but it's riddled with minor annoyances you can't solve. Some applications will not run on Wayland, and while there's a compatibility layer named "XWayland" that should allow me to run Xorg apps, it's either not included with Fedora, or not working for every app. The inclusion of Flatpak support is more than welcomed. You're probably right about "the default experience", since it's enough for most users. But I'm having difficulties to see the benefits, while the defects are right in front of my face . Bottom line, the title is correct, it's definitely "the new Ubuntu" in the sense of being too edgy, with all the pros and cons.
How do you feel Fedora compares with openSUSE? I've been using Linux for a little over 2 years and tried just about everything, but these two RPM distros have felt by far the most polished, stable, and mature (maybe because of their roots as professional/workstation distributions?)
Definitely agree with the points in the video. I've tried Endeavor OS, Manjaro, Zorin OS, Pop_OS and Fedora. Fedora has been the only distro that is stable and doesn't need a reboot every time I need to do something. And it's the only one that recognize the Displaylink that I use for work. Sure, every time that it updates, I do need to rebuild it but it works flawlessly whilst Arch is partially working but the monitors go down to 1fps. Ubuntu based ones doesn't work at all despite the drivers are there.
Thank you so much for making this video, this is exactly how I have felt for the last 3 or so years! Fedora has been rock solid for me. Those Wayland gestures were especially compelling!