Speaking from solos and duos perspective. Ranger is definitely S tier. I main Ranger and I can decide to engage or disengage every fight. Squishy classes are easy work, and melee classes can’t catch me and just get chipped until I let them die to my shotgun or backstep spear.
Do you guys actually play trios? Fighter is strong as fuck in solos and duos, but you're insane if you think fighter is worth taking over another ranged without a cleric in trios
Obviously you didn’t listen that this is about trios and the classes that are meta there can just do things better than fighter because they have two teammates to cover for their weaknesses. However sure in solo where those classes such as wiz and cleric suffer more, fighter then does better because it is well round instead of really good at one thing
@@coltsole8934 exacly, saying warlock could be s tear with demon lock ? Like what ? TM lock was never thing in trios, after the buff it is the most played lock and in trios it is only swarming teams with lock. You have so much mobility, sustain, dmg… other casters need to reset but lock can keep pressure and in my experience if the fight is longer lock team always win. And btw everything he said about the warlock and building only for ms and never about hp is reason he never played it and have no clue what so ever.
Yo I dig this tier list. Support druid main here, been hitting voyager or demigod last three seasons just to say I have some knowledge on the game. I would say pure druid support is about the equivalent of bard at high A tier. You can build druid for every stat he needs in that role for insanely cheap at like 20 magic healing 30-40 str and 20 vig. The str is just cuz most of his best pieces give it, but with all that magic healing your hots are basically a mobile sanctuary, and your dreamfire can almost match a clerics holy light but it's easier to hit. I still say he's not as good as cleric because you just don't have the same raw burst heals or as many useful spells, but you do a lot, and the utility with things like treant make it have its own use, and the high str lets you jab someone in the head with a spear if it comes down to it. I've even been experimenting with tree of life since it got buffed, 5 to all stats with 40 recoverable health for 10 secs is pretty decent on a frontline right before he goes in.
Super sweaty trios support Cleric with thousands of hours here and I can say with confidence that Fighter is by far the easiest frontline to heal in the current meta. Barb on the other hand has to pop Rage to close the distance and by the time they get to the enemy's frontline they have half the PDR a Fighter would. Fighter's sprint doesn't have this downside, even if the duration is quite a bit less - the distance to actually close is rarely ever *that* far to where an otherwise longer duration would help. Additionally, Fighter has access to magic damage weapons, and every bow in the game - even if they're slower at using them. A decently skilled high-gear Wizard with Fire Mastery absolutely can and will shit on both Barb and Fighter in the right environment, though. Having played a good amount of Wiz I've gotten familiar with it firsthand, too. Just what I've noticed this wipe ^^^^
Honestly, it's time to admit that fighter is broken now. I play fighter and fighter's natural enemy called wizard, both they are crucial part in a team. However, budget kits (
Another banger Todd appreciate the per patch tier lists. Could you would you do a duos list? That seems to be the most wildcard meta. In terms of team comps.
ranger got REALLY good whenever they added all that armor pen to the longbow. it made shotgun undeniable. now with everyone having lowered hp, ranger has unmatched potential
druid in B tier UNDER ROGUE is crazy 😭goes to show you how different high end players are from lower skilled ones. druid is only ever as broken as the player's skill
Removing Kris from warlock def lowered it quite a bit in trios. You just don’t have good enough stopping power against W key comps which makes wizard better most of the time. Warlock can feel pretty good in comps centered around kiting and elongating the fight tho. Even then you’re still getting wreckt by arrows
I feel like bard and cleric should go into the same category. Either you have bard+cleric+X or you dont have bard/cleric at all (rogue, ranger, warlock type comp). Cleric without a bard isnt as strong.
Id put barb up to par with cleric. Class is insanely oppressive, same with wizard. Wizard only has a hard time against really good rangers aside from that the list actually seems accurate. The worst part about this is that all of the good classes are insanely annoying to fight. Pushing a wizard feels impossible. Fighting a barb team feels like no matter what youre going to have to res a teammate which usually results in needing to blue so no bossing. Pushing a ranger team also feels annoying due to paranoia from traps. I used to think i hated when warlocks were meta but i kind of miss those days? Idk Warlocks felt fightable the meta feels so boring rn and ttk being so low feels boring. Any form of mistake is insta GGs
Multi shot is not as good as it used to be. I used to crutch that, but when they make the spread bigger unless you’re inside of the enemy they don’t die
you need to use it to finish people offand not 1shot them, the gimmick of landing 5 arrows and dealing 300+ dmg shouldnt be a thing in the first place, landing 2-3 arrows is already enough to do half HP from most melee classes which is the point of the skill.
@@leonidrex3499 Unless you are inside of someone you are not landing 3+ arrows it got nerfed so hard I went from abusing it to not being able ot use it. Its good to hit an arrow
I actually think your list is really accurate, but you’re very biased about how you talk about fighter. As usual, which is expected since it’s what you mainly play. Like as a wizard player I feel like Ranger is S++, even tho it’s just really good
since i'm a solo player i'll give my 2 cents about solo, i have most success in solos on ranger and fighter, and warlock is nice too, but i prefer warlock for bossing / AP grinding and less so for pvp. although warlock does have fun build diversity, so its definitely not one dimensional, it's fun. just not super meta in solo pvp. oh and bard is probably also great currently, i just havent played that class in a while so i can't comment to much on it. i hate playing barb, so fuck barb, i hate druids so fuck druids, and i tried Wizard but its just really rough to play in solos, you just get run down by fast MS melee players like sprint on fighter and rage and achilles on barb. and on Wizard you also just die to Bow users especially rangers. cleric in solos is just awkward, i used to be a rogue main so i can not play them anymore, they used to be so much stronger back in the day compared to now, i just cant touch em anymore, they feel weak . i think overall the 3 best solo classes would be ranger fighter and bard, which coinsidently are all the classes that can use bows. which just tells us that bows are super strong :P
Druids heal are a lot better than cleric imo but cleric has rez so that just makes cleric better I play Druid in trios all the time the only thing I die to are triple range comps
I just slaughter new players in low gear lobbies because it's the most fun this game currently has to offer, and to that I say, good riddance, they ruined a game that had a lot of potential, 13k players, game is dead.
Speaking from solos and duos perspective. Ranger is definitely S tier. I main Ranger and I can decide to engage or disengage every fight. Squishy classes are easy work, and melee classes can’t catch me and just get chipped until I let them die to my shotgun or backstep spear.
Gotta love the DnD community there's 9 classes in the game. They put 5 of them into S tier. And say the class they play is mid.
Dude is delusional for putting fighter below s
Do you guys actually play trios? Fighter is strong as fuck in solos and duos, but you're insane if you think fighter is worth taking over another ranged without a cleric in trios
Of course you put fighter in A lmao
in duos, fighter is absolutely CRACKED
Crazy cuz this is a trios tier list
The more I hear about Todd talk about fighter not being good. The more I think he's not actually that good.
me saying fighter is the best balanced character in the game = not good ?
@@toddfatherttv obv never played a different class = not good
Obviously you didn’t listen that this is about trios and the classes that are meta there can just do things better than fighter because they have two teammates to cover for their weaknesses. However sure in solo where those classes such as wiz and cleric suffer more, fighter then does better because it is well round instead of really good at one thing
@@coltsole8934 exacly, saying warlock could be s tear with demon lock ? Like what ? TM lock was never thing in trios, after the buff it is the most played lock and in trios it is only swarming teams with lock. You have so much mobility, sustain, dmg… other casters need to reset but lock can keep pressure and in my experience if the fight is longer lock team always win.
And btw everything he said about the warlock and building only for ms and never about hp is reason he never played it and have no clue what so ever.
He’s very mid
As a rogue main that almost exclusively plays trios, I am offended
Yo I dig this tier list. Support druid main here, been hitting voyager or demigod last three seasons just to say I have some knowledge on the game. I would say pure druid support is about the equivalent of bard at high A tier. You can build druid for every stat he needs in that role for insanely cheap at like 20 magic healing 30-40 str and 20 vig. The str is just cuz most of his best pieces give it, but with all that magic healing your hots are basically a mobile sanctuary, and your dreamfire can almost match a clerics holy light but it's easier to hit. I still say he's not as good as cleric because you just don't have the same raw burst heals or as many useful spells, but you do a lot, and the utility with things like treant make it have its own use, and the high str lets you jab someone in the head with a spear if it comes down to it. I've even been experimenting with tree of life since it got buffed, 5 to all stats with 40 recoverable health for 10 secs is pretty decent on a frontline right before he goes in.
Super sweaty trios support Cleric with thousands of hours here and I can say with confidence that Fighter is by far the easiest frontline to heal in the current meta. Barb on the other hand has to pop Rage to close the distance and by the time they get to the enemy's frontline they have half the PDR a Fighter would. Fighter's sprint doesn't have this downside, even if the duration is quite a bit less - the distance to actually close is rarely ever *that* far to where an otherwise longer duration would help. Additionally, Fighter has access to magic damage weapons, and every bow in the game - even if they're slower at using them.
A decently skilled high-gear Wizard with Fire Mastery absolutely can and will shit on both Barb and Fighter in the right environment, though. Having played a good amount of Wiz I've gotten familiar with it firsthand, too.
Just what I've noticed this wipe ^^^^
Honestly, it's time to admit that fighter is broken now.
I play fighter and fighter's natural enemy called wizard, both they are crucial part in a team.
However, budget kits (
Fighter is a lot better in trio than barb imo. Range value is too strong. Plus you counter all barbs as a fighter easily.
Another banger Todd appreciate the per patch tier lists. Could you would you do a duos list? That seems to be the most wildcard meta. In terms of team comps.
Things todd forgot?
Res shrine below the most northwestern corner
Antiheal from fire mastery
ranger got REALLY good whenever they added all that armor pen to the longbow. it made shotgun undeniable. now with everyone having lowered hp, ranger has unmatched potential
druid in B tier UNDER ROGUE is crazy 😭goes to show you how different high end players are from lower skilled ones. druid is only ever as broken as the player's skill
“i THiNk fIGhTer iS tHE mOSt bAlANcEd CLasS”
Druid with good magical healing is actually pretty broken in trio
Cleric at the top, would you look at that.
Removing Kris from warlock def lowered it quite a bit in trios. You just don’t have good enough stopping power against W key comps which makes wizard better most of the time.
Warlock can feel pretty good in comps centered around kiting and elongating the fight tho. Even then you’re still getting wreckt by arrows
I always enjoy your opinion when it comes to DAD
id say skinny petes pretty good on barb but idk
I feel like bard and cleric should go into the same category. Either you have bard+cleric+X or you dont have bard/cleric at all (rogue, ranger, warlock type comp).
Cleric without a bard isnt as strong.
Windlass hurts so much :( I’ve been getting 1 tappped a lot more then usual lately
I just need them to delete back step on ranger
Backstep like abilities are the movement abilities that should exist, not lightfoots with +ms rolls.
Braindead retardreddit take.
Just faced off against a barb with 190 hp as ranger. It was not a good time
Kazaren would be happy to see this
There is only few of us trio druids for a reason
@ The people dont know yet 🤣
i love druid as healer
Id put barb up to par with cleric. Class is insanely oppressive, same with wizard. Wizard only has a hard time against really good rangers aside from that the list actually seems accurate. The worst part about this is that all of the good classes are insanely annoying to fight. Pushing a wizard feels impossible. Fighting a barb team feels like no matter what youre going to have to res a teammate which usually results in needing to blue so no bossing. Pushing a ranger team also feels annoying due to paranoia from traps. I used to think i hated when warlocks were meta but i kind of miss those days? Idk Warlocks felt fightable the meta feels so boring rn and ttk being so low feels boring. Any form of mistake is insta GGs
as a solo player i have nothing of value to add to this discussion lmao, i have no clue about trio meta
Multi shot is not as good as it used to be. I used to crutch that, but when they make the spread bigger unless you’re inside of the enemy they don’t die
you need to use it to finish people offand not 1shot them, the gimmick of landing 5 arrows and dealing 300+ dmg shouldnt be a thing in the first place, landing 2-3 arrows is already enough to do half HP from most melee classes which is the point of the skill.
@@leonidrex3499 Unless you are inside of someone you are not landing 3+ arrows it got nerfed so hard I went from abusing it to not being able ot use it. Its good to hit an arrow
@@trevmak3589 I can still land them, but then again I have been always running it since PT3
No bro now every team gone have a cleric
bro said theres no good barbs😂
fighter is top s tear your high todd fighter wizerd is a tear
lets get lyrical
todd saying fighter is the most balanced class and demon glee fighter is weak KEKW
14:18 how do u get 60% pdr and 60% mdr on fighter ?
you could if you built full tank with mr/pdr items
Backstep shouldnt infinitely refill and should have to campfire like everyone else
I actually think your list is really accurate, but you’re very biased about how you talk about fighter. As usual, which is expected since it’s what you mainly play. Like as a wizard player I feel like Ranger is S++, even tho it’s just really good
since i'm a solo player i'll give my 2 cents about solo, i have most success in solos on ranger and fighter, and warlock is nice too, but i prefer warlock for bossing / AP grinding and less so for pvp. although warlock does have fun build diversity, so its definitely not one dimensional, it's fun. just not super meta in solo pvp.
oh and bard is probably also great currently, i just havent played that class in a while so i can't comment to much on it.
i hate playing barb, so fuck barb, i hate druids so fuck druids, and i tried Wizard but its just really rough to play in solos, you just get run down by fast MS melee players like sprint on fighter and rage and achilles on barb. and on Wizard you also just die to Bow users especially rangers.
cleric in solos is just awkward, i used to be a rogue main so i can not play them anymore, they used to be so much stronger back in the day compared to now, i just cant touch em anymore, they feel weak .
i think overall the 3 best solo classes would be ranger fighter and bard, which coinsidently are all the classes that can use bows. which just tells us that bows are super strong :P
Do a solo and duo !
Druids heal are a lot better than cleric imo but cleric has rez so that just makes cleric better I play Druid in trios all the time the only thing I die to are triple range comps
kiss me father todd
Fighter second wind is not reduced by wizard firemastery. S tier
it is
I just slaughter new players in low gear lobbies because it's the most fun this game currently has to offer, and to that I say, good riddance, they ruined a game that had a lot of potential, 13k players, game is dead.