BARD COLLEGE OF WHISPERS IS AWESOME!!!
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- Here we discuss the misrepresentation of the college of whispers!!!. Disrupting the current View, and making this character better by my favorite sin Greed!
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I had the Whisper Song by Yin Yang Twins on repeat while I watched this video.
We CAN make that happen but really your gonna wanna play pull my hair after
Bars says to potential source of information
"Hey! Come over in the corner with me a moment? I have a secret I wanna tell you.'"
Once in the corner, the bard whispers
"I know you're reluctant to trust us, and I sympathize. However, if you don't tell us what we know, I swear to all.the gods that that tiefling witch in our group over there is gonna make sure that the only use your pecker is gonna get is as an offering to Malcanthet! They've left the decision on wether that happens to me. So, we're going to walk.back over there and maybe you'll get to keep your sex life.'
Use shadow lore to make someone think you know their deepest darkest secret, use detect thoughts to actually learn their deepest darkest secret, use modify memory to make them forget you read their mind, when shadow lore wears off let them know why they held you in such fear by reminding them you do in fact know their deepest darkest secret, they aren't under your direct control anymore but you will still have some influence over them. Shadow Lore can be crazy powerful if used cleverly on the right people.
Genius!!!!. In a campaign where there are reoccurring npc’s that right there is GAME BREAKING. Imagine if that strategy was used on a powerful Nobel or military leader. You could change the face of a war.
So to sum it up college of whispers is epic cause it's essentially just the dnd equivalent of a sith Lord/ Sith Assassin
Let me say one thing sir ….. You have never been more right about anything!!!! I hope people who see this understand that sometimes things on paper don’t seem impressive but in use can be awesome!!! Thanks for checking us out!!!
My College of Whispers Bard pulled a heist in my campaign all solo. He is a Tiefling that wanted to steal a telescope to prepare for a future, larger heist. The store fortunately was also the only one selling "Coal glasses" (Sunglasses, meant to protect from bright lights.)
The proprietor agreed to my Tiefling "testing" the glasses. He placed them on and did Pyrokinetics, the effect that causes creatures to go blind - For one Round -. Since he was wearing the glasses, he did not go blind and started series of apologies towards the shop-owner, claiming that he thought that the owners glasses were similar. And during that one turn, he had snatched and stored the telescope safely to his person before leaving the store.
Easy 1,000gp - Although my character won't dare to approach that area of the city anytime soon!
Being creative is most dangerous in the hands of a bard!
Finally a channel that doesn't disrespect the class. Whispers so underrated but it makes such good use of actor feat post lvl 6.
Thanks I am glad you enjoyed it
Whispers bard with aberrant mind sorcerer sounds like a total blast of a character. Concentrate on shadow blade for good damage and meshes well with the psychic damage you deal with the whispers abilities. So many combos to use with the mind abilities of the aberrant mind and the rp abilities of the whispers bard.
I love those subclasses. The combination works so well. And being charisma casters gives you such a strong presence to really rp situations to your favor.
Zariel Tiefling and you're smitting fire and radiance as well. Oh and the psychic whispers feature, not tied to bonus action so it costs you nothing and you can force disadvantage on the smite save.
The psychic whispers just happens like viscous mockery it just hits there's no save either. Except it hits allot effin harder and also scales.
One interesting interaction I came across when looking into multiclassing was with Soulknife Rogue. Their level 3 Psionic Power: Psychic Whispers allows them to establish telepathic communication with up to their proficiency bonus (PB) in creatures, roll a psionic energy die, and have that communication for that die's number of hours. Since the communication only works between the rogue and the other creature, you could be considered "alone" with them, even if you've also established communication with other party members. You don't have to share a language, you don't use a psionic energy die the first time per day, you get PBx2 psionic energy dice to play with so it still scales as you're gaining Bard levels, and you can use the Words of Terror to make the target afraid of another creature of your choice, if you wish. This can be handy for other things like making the king afraid of his advisers, making a captor afraid of their partner, etc.
I think it’s valid. I think you have to use tricks like that to make it work.
It’s so hard to make it possible on its own. Though you will have to talk it over with the DM, I would allow it
I like the Whispers Bard. But the 6th level feature doesn’t really work for most builds.
It’s totally RP feature and doesn’t work for most character concepts
It depends on what type of game you’re playing like all other character concepts. I find a lot of builds kinda based on first combats of the day scenarios, so in games where your dungeon crawling and you can’t rest often those builds tend to not be as optimal as more resource conservative builds. Personally I like heavy rp
I love this. This is so helpful, I'm about to start a kenku bard with college of whispers. This is my first DnD character ever and this is the first deep dive into how to play this type of character in a campaign setting with examples I've found. 👏 Amazing content
Wow thanks so much!!! I hope you have a great time playing this character!!!
Playing whispers bard/Swashbuckler with the poisoner's feat absolutely bonkers damage
MY DUDE!!!! your speaking my language
Yeah, why do I picture Raphael from Sword Calibur + Psyloke from X-men as my character focus? I can’t wait to build it now!
@@anthonycannon811 I actually added a level of hexblade warlock to this and he really got nuts
@@TheScottishKayaker oooh that sounds nice!
The best thing about the psychic damage is you apply it AFTER you hit.
So you never waste it
It’s great also because it becomes part of your attacks if you crit the dice gets doubled
If you want to piss off your DM, get the Keen Mind feat. It gives you a photographic memory of the past month. All of a sudden all those disguises you got from Mantle of Whispers in the past month you now remember the memories and disguises of perfectly and can switch into them even after the ability's duration ends. Just have those disguises in stock and pop one on whenever you don't want to be seen as yourself or use it in a situation that fits
You would have to use disguise self but yeah you would be able to reuse them that’s pretty resourceful of it.
@@TheSinisterheroes This is where Bardlock comes in. Obviously stretching it, but for just 2 levels you can get mask of many faces and the warlock unique spells and the patron and another invocation. That's actually the character I'm playing right now, so disguise self is a cantrip and you basically never have to look like yourself. It's great
@@therealx1ras453 that has alot of potential!!!! i love the flavor of it.
Take cartographers supplies and draw maps of places while using someone's shadow, or from memory if you have taken keen mind.
I love the College of Whispers bard. I really do. But in my opinion, the subclass struggles because the charmed and frightened conditions are so commonly resisted.
The problem with the common resistance of frightened particularly is because there are so much undead in the monster manual. Then followed by fiends. I get it I really do. The lesson to take away is always be aware of the campaign your about to begin.
Asking your DM’s if focusing on these abilities is going to be significantly harder than if you were going a different rout. Personally I’ll take a knife to a gun fight on this one. I love the fear conditions I’ll risk it resistances or not
Yeah but other than it simply didn't work it's essentially a zero risk proposition.
At that you really should be rushing to a 20/22 + stat in charisma as a bard. One of the very few classes that it pays actual dividends to do so. You get an additional inspiration every even number & this class has something to actually contribute through their greeding their own resource that comes back on a short rest anyway.
So you pass out 2 or three d6's or 8's just to make people feel wanted but at the end of the day you'll make more bacon burning down an enemy with this.
@@horseblinderson4747 I'm not referring to Psychic Blades. That is in my opinion the subclasses' greatest asset. I'm referring to Words of Terror and Shadow Lore, which respectively inflict frighten and charm. Both conditions are very commonly resisted, especially at higher levels and make things more difficult for the College of Whispers.
I've got a level 5 character 4th level swarmkeeper ranger with 1 level of bard that I plan to get him 2 more bard levels for a hybrid swarmkeeper/college of whispers.
It's my first character and I'm excited. We have what seems to be a pretty political heavy campaign
Just one tip, do everything you want with this character don’t hold back!!! Your here for a good time not a long time!!
I'm in an partly evil group. Myself is neutral evil.
So, everybody knows: Whoever supports me get an inspiration in times of great danger. In the order how supportive they are. 'Cause they are a resource.
The rest... not my problem.
That’s perfect!!!. I love the duality of the support cus in game it’s menacing out of game your still supporting the team
Awesome philosophical rant. I feel the same about the creation bard: Creativity breaks this game.
I just have a soft spot for classes people think are not as strong, especially when I see such opportunities and strength in them. Side note a character I am playing now has the name Isaac
If I were to multi class whispers-bard with Great-old-one warlock, could I use my telepathy to always be “alone” in their mind?
It could work. Telepathy works so well especially the great old one warlock, because the target always understands you, no matter the language. Which dose wonders for bards
Remember, intimidation is also a Charisma skill.
My Whisper Bard, uses intimidation over persuasion.
Party: Can you get us a lower price on the healing potions.
Me: I'll see what I can do.
Party
Me: I know you're over charging us, they know you're over charging us, you know you're over charging us. Fix it.
Oh man I like it, I haven’t been using intimidation as often as I would of liked mainly because I am always deceiving someone lol
My verdan Whispers bard, grinning like the bastard rat person they are: Yes I am awesome thank you very much
YES !!! Revel in your greatness!!!
Absolutely use your Psychic Blades. I've briefly played a halfling bard who went College of Whispers. I used Psychic Blades to help us kill a witch/hag creature that was resistant to normal weapon damage, since buffing an ally's attack roll would be pointless and boosting a save is just playing defensive. The DM hadn't expected that and we got a crystal ball out of it. Unfortunately, the game petered out due to scheduling, but I'd LOVE to play College of Whispers again on some other character. Maybe on a drow from Menzoberranzan or a yuan-ti or a tiefling. Or maybe just another halfling again! Who knows.
I say it all the time in our videos, it’s ok to be greedy with your resources. People see a bard and instantly assume they are there just for them.
I hate that style of play. Yes it is a big buff to have it when you need it, but if I am going to play a character I am not going to spend all my time buffing some one else. Some people like that and it’s great I just HATE playing like that.
@@TheSinisterheroes Exactly! My brother's playing a College of Swords bard in the Storm King's Thunder game and I don't expect him to just use it on me. I ask for the inspiration if we're about to make an important skill check or I'll say "no, give it to this guy and then I'll also use my Flash of Genius to boost him further."
@@clarkside4493 i really wish the world would turn to that idea, i get alot of msgs about bardic inspiration shouldnt be used for that and its a waste of bardic inspiration to do so.
@@TheSinisterheroes all they'd have to do is assess the party. Inspiring a fighter to help him hit probably isn't worth it, but a paladin or rogue could be. Do you need to _healing word_ to keep someone alive? Do that, stab a guy with Psychic Blades, and it's like you haven't missed a beat. It's not even that hard. People these days, I swear.
Really is an underrated subclass. Also, when you mentioned "You may not do as much damage as a Rogue" my immediate thought was "Perhaps, but you still deal great damage, AND Bard is a full caster". Having all of these options open on a full caster class like Bard just opens a TON of doors.
It’s really possible considering the bards ability to pick different spells from different spell lists. I really love the whispers bard.
My DM (Who's awesome) has just given me, a 5th level whisper bard, a pistol (And with 14 poisoned pellets!), and I think he hasn't realized just how much damage I'm gonna be making once I fix the pistol... At 5th level is gona be 2d10 + 3d6 everytime I hit something, which is gonna take me from being the worst damage dealer in the party to probably the most lethal
And next two levels I'm gonna take it in artificer, so I'll get proficency with firearms too, wich is great, plus being able to make the ammo magic too
Wow pistols are stronger than I thought. I never play in games that use firearms. It is a big damage boost but once your run through your bardic inspiration you will be pretty on point with just using it as a regular attack
Great presentation on how to play a class. Might have given me a few ideas on how to build a few characters.
It brings me so much joy to read that!!! I hope your characters have the best of luck and the most clutch of crits!!!
I have a interesting Whisper Bard. Irina Ghasek was a vampire who got cured and is a Whisper Bard. Trouble is that she doesn't remember becoming a vampire or being cured nor why she retains the fangs and claws of a vampire. Irina also doesn't remember becoming a Whisper Bard , although she was quite the performer. With dangerous people after her, Irina needs answers quickly! Looking forward to playing Irina!
That sounds like it would work really well in a heavy rp setting
Making a Kenku Collage of Wispers Bard- with faceless origin 😭
Oh my god !!! I love that the mimic the face stealing the bardic masterpiece that is the whispers bard!!!
@@TheSinisterheroes it's so edgy... Kenku alone are emo, and the Co-whispers? Very emo- backstabbing and infiltration with every breath... They're already Two Faced without me adding the faceless origin 😂
(my first D&D character too🧍🏽♂)
My perception and deception are scary high
(This mix is OP)
It’s a cool concept. You really double down on a theme. The bard can be a hard class for a first timer, just take your time and put in some time reading and re reading your spells and abilities
@@TheSinisterheroesdefinitely, thank you for the video📝🤟🏼
I really do enjoy that idea for a kenku
People also make the mistake of comparing it to other bards when it can fill an entirely different role and should rather be compared to sth like a rogue.
Plus the "finite resource" argument that you often hear, which doesn't really apply imo. You should get at least one short rest a day and can sneak in another with Catnap.
That's 15 guaranteed "sneak attacks" per day. Sounds pretty powerful to me. And that's just the combat side of things. You can still revive dead PCs, Identify objects and do all that other fun stuff.
You can also Animate Objects and summon a Spirit Weapon, dealing over 100 dmg per turn (before AC and crits, at high levels; at 10 it's probably around half that) alongside your normal attacks + bardic sneak attack.
Or go crit fishing early on with a single dip in Hexblade (also adds Booming Blade) and Faerie Fire/Greater Invisibility (giving you 40% crit each turn).
And when it comes to arguments like "bards can already disguise themselves" and the like, well, yeah but you can do it better. Same reason why going Changeling has its advantages, too.
You could be good at everything like bards generally are but why not be the best possible at this thing while still being good at most of the rest, if you choose to.
Well done that is a real spot on analysis!!! I think a lot of people just are turned away from using there resources how they want. There’s so much about bards needing to be this or needing that, but what they need to be is fun!. I think your statement reflects that very well.
I can see a character who spys on one kingdom for another kingdom under the disguise of a jester or something the intensity of the concept sounds so fun to me TBH
It’s alot of risk. In a heavy rp game that is the place for these kinds actions. It is wildly intense. Thats what makes the game great.
I did a huge nova bomb with whispers bard. I threw an animated sword as bonus action , used psychic blades with a nat 20. Then used dissonant whispers. The rest of the party was shocked by the damage
That’s awesome!!! I happen to absolutely love dissonant whispers. It’s one of my favorite spells
😮d
Thanks!!!!!
I can make college of whispers a terrifying subclass. Psychic blades stacks with feats like sharpshooter. Oh take 2 levels in rogue you can add sneak attack damage to that. And nothings stopping you from applying poison to your weapons. You can also take feats like crossbow expert for an extra attack. The amount of ranged damage this subclass can do is crazy.
Your right! This subclass can do a lot. People have a hard time seeing that for some reason. As a full spell caster you have options to do so many things, the only restriction is your understanding of the spells on your spell list.
This subclass gives you those same options and some additional damage options for non spell related actions. It also really makes you feel like an assassin.
@@TheSinisterheroes I'm in a campaign where we will be facing against eldritch horrors and after I explained this the gm is actually worried about my bard potentially wrecking them.
@@funnyblog100 I really hope he handles it well, id hate for you to be the number one target all game LOL
@@TheSinisterheroes If you play human or your gm gives you a feat at the start which my gm did you can immediately take sharpshooter. I use spells like faerie fire for advantage.
That’s really interesting I never considered sharpshooter.
It is complimented by a variety of spells you can cast to buff your self or debuff others
Can you stack sneak attack and psychic blade?
Yes
Nice analysis. I'm building an Archfey Warlock/ Whispers Bard to focus on the frightened condition. My only criticism on your video is the background music. Its repetitive nature, pitch, and volume give me a headache and they tempt me to change the channel.
I am so sorry about that I corrected it in later videos.
Fun thing to note: Shadow Lore, also makes an Automatic Success if they don't know the language you speak.
Meaning if someone speaks in Deep which is very rare, but you can have a background giving you the language, then you have a way to gain it automatically without problems for most things.
Sorry to burst your bubble but if they don’t share a language with you they automatically succeed. It would be really powerful if it was your way. Unfortunately you the creature needs to understand you, sorry friend.
@@TheSinisterheroes I miss read it, thinking it meant you succeed, not they succeed the save. So oops XD
It’s ok I can’t tell you how many times I misunderstood skills and spells.
@@TheSinisterheroes Happens a lot when tired.
I might play whisper bard with warlock levels, seems to have good synergy
Is it gonna be hexblade? Most people dip that way so it’s less MAD(multi ability score dependent) I would suggest thinking about great old one trying to see if telepathy could assist you with the harder to use abilities
@@TheSinisterheroes i like hexblade for sad and kill pact weapons. Great old ones definitely has flavor. If I don’t use whispers it will be lore. But whispers has that flavor
@@wikiwing348 let me say this you will not be disappointed with lore bard. If you watched game of thrones lore bard is what little finger was. Either way as long as your cool to take some risks you will have a great time
@@TheSinisterheroes i am thinking 2-3 levels of warlock and the rest into bard
I can’t decide to have a 2/2 hex blade warlock bard or 1/3. Any ideas?
Okay, I definitely need to make one. 13:26
I had to go back and watch the video to know what I was talking about back then lol. I am so glad I inspired you
@@TheSinisterheroes I'm making a damage based Hexblood, College of Whispers (Bard). So basically... Psychic Blades + Hex + Greenflame Blade damage. Plus any (offensive/deffensive) items that the DM will grant/give me.
Awesome I always think hexblood are ugly. So the idea of an ugly bard is so cool
@@TheSinisterheroes That’s very interesting…🤔 As I think of Hexbloods having unnaturally good looks (aside from the diadem of thorny horns growing from their temples). Almost as if they got all of the good parts of being a hag, and almost none of the unpleasant/bad parts.
@@XanderMander006 i have a thing for cursed ugly things LOL so yeah i have a type
I think you are off about the power of Bardic Inspiration. While I accept a whispers bard should use their inspirations for psychic daggers whenever they want, Bardic inspiration is one of the most powerful abilities in the game. You can't compare it to guidance and just kinda shrug. Guidance is a touch spell, only works on skill checks and if used in combat, requires a full action. You are correct that using a bardic inspiration for an attack roll for a single barbarian hit is maybe not the best. However, for a Paladin going for a 5th level smite to put a dangerous boss down, it's amazing. Also, adding a d6/8/10/12 to a saving throw is insanely powerful, especially if that saving throw is against a spell that will devastate the party. Whisper bard multi classed with a Raven Queen Warlock is the most insanely dangerous infiltrator I can think of. Mask of many faces plus psychic blades...offt.
I am not trying to take that away from the bard in anyway. My point about bardic inspiration is that it shackles you to give it out to everyone. Which yes it can and often dose provide a great buff, but if I have different abilities that use bardic inspiration as a resource and I never get to use it cus all I do is use it on allies, it’s just not fun for me. I want people to know you can just use it your self. For what ever reason. Is it strong yes but it still can fail. I just want to let the people out there know it’s ok to not always buff someone.
@@TheSinisterheroes Anyone who has played a Lore bard already knows this and will have used cutting words to save themselves AND their allies. you only have to look at the Bard spell list to realize they are not designed to be the damage dealers of a party. You can play a Bard that way of course but you'd weakening your party by doing so. Bards are amazing at crowd control, buffs and debuffs and are the best counter spellers in the game. In any case, I respect your point of view but I think it's not a new idea, just a bit of a bad one.
I like them best as crowd controllers.
Smite can similarly be saved for hits btw, and you're rarely ever going to have a situation where your paladin gets any benefit from the inspiration (for the purpose of getting in a smite on their turn). Giving dies out to clerics or people concentrating on stuff, though, is definitely the call
And generally speaking, prolly get more DPR from just using the psychic damage instead of helping people hit their attacks. Hitting isn't exactly hard. So after you've got your VIPs their saving throw dies, just go for the psychic dmg
@@jordanf00 I disagree. If you have a Paladin in the party, chances are they are tanking which means they are likely going to be pulling a lot of aggro. The longer the fight goes on the more dangerous it gets for everyone. A Bardic inspiration so the Paladin can smite a dangerous wizard/assassin out of the fight is clutch. Sometimes you don't want a fight going another round and you need that hit to land.