Rail Rolled Over and 5 Loaded Coal Cars Derailed Oh Fudge!
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- 5 loaded coal cars derailed when the rail rolled over before the switch. Another
fine mess you got us in Ollie.
Will show you the 5 car derailment and go over why the rail rolled which is what
caused the cars to derail. Hulcher re railed the cars and at 5 AM the rail was
back in service so a train could run. Derailment happened at 6 PM the evening
before, so for the very few people available that is pretty darn good the track
got back in service that quick.
2nd Part: Fixing the track where the 5 cars derailed:
• Track Repairs are Made...
In a prior video I went over why some railroads use concrete ties and some use
wood ties. This derailment is a classic example of why we don't use concrete. Had
we had concrete ties in there they would have all been destroyed. Thus it would
have taken double or triple the amount of time to get the track back in service.
Wood ties were merely scuffed up. Here is a link to watch that video on wood vs concrete ties:
• Why some Railroads use...
Find out what all the parts of a Railroad Turnout are called:
• Parts of a Railroad Tr...
Made May 29, 2023
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Mine. My job is railroad track maintenance. I am very fortunate to
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#RailRolledOver#CoalCarDerailed#CarDerailed#Derailed
That is so sad to see this happen and especially on a weekend when the majority of the workforce is off.
Things happen John, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Doesn't happen always in railroading, my line of work it never fails either...everyone's heading home or gone and someone drives into a telephone pole and a 6 block radius has no power 🤷🏼♂️
@@matthewromano8801 👍😊
Thanks for sharing your line of troubleshooting, very comprehensive. Shows that speed is not always the scapegoat. No conclusion jumping which is born of experience and integrity.
Speed is generally not the cause of derailments, especially off the mainline.
Thank you Richard for taking the time to watch the video and write in. More info in next video coming out, hope to see you on that one. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Hey, Dave. Sorry that the company took a hit with the 5 cars that derailed. When the side tractors and boons are quick to get there. There are good things that the company and workers did not get hurt on the job, plus the cars did not tip over, making the matter worse. I am going to be in PA Tuesday and leaving on Thursday. I can't wait to learn more about what caused the derailment. Just let you know that in July or August, I will be having another heart procedure. This will be my 7th procedure in a little over 4 years. Dave, you are a good guy who gives his knowledge to others. I hope we can meet sometime. Take care Dave. Robert
Thank you Robert for taking the time to watch the video and write in. More info in next video coming out, hope to see you on that one.
We will keep you in our prayers my friend. My email is on home
channel page on about me if you're coming let me know.
I'm shocked there aren't more derailments because I don't know how those wheels stay on the track to begin with.
Really does seem like magic. So much weight held up by thin rails connected to wooden ties. That’s what gets me the most, holding up a train using wood.
Thank you SHoover for taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend. More info will be in the next video coming out. Hope to see you on that one.
The Wheels have flanges to keep the wheels on the rails
Nice video Dave, you held it together pretty good, darndest things happen in the middle of the night and Hulcher must have a location close to you to arrive that fast. Hope your switch gears in the box are OK and not stripped from being forced, thanks for sharing your thoughts of the reason, awaiting part 2. Cheers and have a great weekend
Thank you Pete for the nice comment. No switch gears in an
electric switch, if it was manual then yep would have been
replacing some internal parts for sure. Hulcher has a base
station 30 minutes from us, nice and convenient. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
That happened when I worked as a locomotive crane helper. It looks like the switch was picked. I seen that happen. We had cranks in the switch box that would break that way the point would not bend and cause a gap in between the switch point and the rail. But in your case it's hard to tell.But sometimes they would bend before the crank would break. What a mess.Good luck on the repair
This solar powered switch is nothing like the ones you had. Those old switch stands ( we have some of them) are much different,
yes they had gears and you had to adjust them with shims, pain
but it can be done, sounds like a good future video on how
to adjust a switch! Always a pleasure to have you visit and
write in my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Thank you Dave. Those switches i used to throw are old school. And they still use those type on the Steelton and Highspire R.R. I replaced the cranks and shims in them from time to time. We always had a bar and extra cranks on the crane bed.
@@BeeLineEast 👍😊
Well Dave, stuff wears out after years of use. Coal hopper cars see a lot of grit and harsh conditions. 📢 Good video I enjoyed it. Thanks
Things happen Jim and yep they wear out, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) but, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
What a job! Seems like it’s always something… no matter what job we have. But when things go wrong in railroading… it’s big!
You're right about that Mary, when things go wrong it's often pretty
big and ugly and a mess and expense to deal with. Thank goodness
for guys like Hulcher who came and rescued us on this one. Very grateful my friend for your taking the time to visit with us and check out the derailment video.
I am just seeing your video been really busy have not seen this one yet I am so glad that you all are ok that no one was hurt. Hope no one got hurt Re Railing the cars. Hope it didn't take a long time to fix what got messed up. Please be safe out there while doing these videos for us all.
Thank you Big Don for taking the time to watch the video and write in. More info will be in next video coming out, hope to see you on that one. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY Dave! Thanks for all you do for us. 😊
Thank you for the well wishes Earl, same to you my friend.
Appreciate the very nice comment.
Dave....If its not one thing its another!......luckily only pride was hurt here!........ As you say "Thats Railroading!"
Things happen irongoatrocky, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) So there you have it! Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Okay, Dave, let's see ya hoist one of those bad boys back up onto the track. Whenever I'm waiting for paint to dry on my model railroad, I can always count on you for a very interesting video about real railroading. Cheers from eastern TN
Thank you Rusty and glad you are enjoying the home movies.
We certainly do appreciate your watching them my friend.
Good thing for us Hulcher wasn't too far away that night!
Pretty crappy situation, Dave, but at least nothing tipped over. Some good luck.
Things happen John, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) You are right, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Your a good man!
Thank you for the kind words and for checking out the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Alco the Railroad Dog approves of this video, and as always I enjoyed it also. We hate to see wheels on the ground but we are confident in your abilities. On a side note its early March now, the cement plants are coming back online and filling the valley with the sweet smell of burning bituminous. So sweet it literally makes you salivate as you breathe it in. I love it, burn baby burn.
Nothing quite like the smell of coal smoke in the air Ken, I like
that. Thanks so much for the nice comment and hope Alco is
getting a lot of good treats. Very much appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the rail rolled over video my friend.
Great video.. can't wait to get your determination of what really happened whether it was the five spikes that came loose but that's usually what it is isn't it been working on the railroad tracks and just reaching down and pulling those spikes out by hand you know it's crazy got to be a different way
.. again thanks for the videos..T
Thank you Torben for taking the time to watch the video and write in. More info will be in next video coming out, hope to see you on that one. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
I really enjoyed the video.
I can't wait to see part 2
Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
There is a great line about a derailment from the 1964 John Frankenheimer film, 'The Train,' starring Burt Lancaster: 'This is a hell of a mess you have here, Colonel.'
That was a good movie Clinton, although I don't remember all the
lines in it. Thank you for taking the time to write in and to check out the rail rolled over video my friend.
I tip my hat to you. On a holiday no less. I did the same work, I had to literally walk the jacks to the site and back afterwards. Discipline.
Thank you for the nice comment TheRopeAddict, glad to hear you enjoyed. jack are heavy, I don't envy you on that! Appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and write in my friend.
Thank you for your ability and willingness to be a problem solver @@ccrx6700. Rail is nothing to be taken lightly. My primary job was maintenance and repair of any assets using piston engines. We had to fix a ballast regulator engine. Plus it was derailed. I must say it’s an honor to realize the completed task.
it was a smooth operation
Was being key words here.... Things happen Tyler, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) but, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
You know what they say.....stuff happens!!!
Well Charles stuff happens is a lot like what Ralphie said, just
can't say the right words on this family friendly channel.... :-)
So glad you could take the time to stop by and check out the
derailment tonight my friend.
At about the 12 min mark what are those 'braces' ? on the side of the rail? They almost look like a gusset type of thing to stop the track from rolling. thanks for the video Dave.
Thank you Andy for taking the time to watch the video and write in. They are special braces to help hold the switch. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Dave, I was expecting to see guage bars around the switch and in high traction locations. Was there any there? I do not think the switch point was picked rather a wheel set after dropping pushed away the point rail. Too bad you did not have a way to empty the cars, then a large loader or excavator could of rerailed them.
You will see gauge rods in the next video Reven, be sure and
watch it coming out next, you are right in that the rolled rail
was the cause. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Curiosity, what’s the first, second, third thing we do in this situation
Thank you George for taking the time to watch the video and write in. More info in next video coming out, hope to see you on that one.
1st, 2nd ad 3rd thing is to call for more help! May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Those little bitty rails arent meant to handle that mammoth weight.
Its like carrying a elephant on a ants back..😂
Those rails are a lot tougher than you might imagine Brianna.
They weigh 132 pounds per yard. Thanks so much for visiting with us and checking out the video. May you have a very good day my friend.
dang that is like worst possible day to get a derailment. RIP memorial day, been on duty calls and usually things happen turning holyday's, weekends and storms a lot more than any other day's. The sun currently is scorching hot without proper hydration you will suffer from a heat stroke very fast. One derailed car looks very bad cause it's bougie is almost off the hopper car. Really the only word I could use is hot hot mess. I'm sure the crew can manage this but everyone just having a bad day.
Thank you Steve for taking the time to watch the video and write in. Things happen, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Thanks Dave for recording this so people can see how much work it takes to maintain infrastructure.
@@SuperMAZ007 👍😊
Apparently everyone is treated pretty well there 😅 "I'm not going to conjecture on this lol
You are correct Troy. Our new owners we have do a great job at treating their employees well, I can only speak in superlatives
about them, much, much a great change from our last owners.
it's sad to see this derailment happen, but it happens to the best
of them, all went well in getting track back in service as you
will see in next video. Thank you for writing in and watching
my friend.
Is that one of the radio controlled switches? On another note, did ya get the remote loco control situation with the fire alert stuff figured out?
Yes it is Kevin, throw the switch off the radio. On the other situation
the fire suppression guys have been called, they haven't shown
up yet. Radio plugs for FS are unplugged and no more problems
with that issue we had, thanks for asking and great to have you
show up tonight my friend.
welp, that’s railroadin
Yep, things happen usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) but, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
The switch interlock for the terminal should have prevented the switch from moving no matter what command is sent to it.
The switch should have a west approach, east approach, terminal, and the siding
1WWK, TK, EWK, 2WWK
Once the switch is lined, the interlock is engaged, so you should see LZK bit set, then the green for east EGK should have been set.
The indication bits should have lit up 1WWK, then TK, then the EGK would have dropped, then EWK and the LZK bit should have stayed the entire time.
My thoughts are there was a fault in the wire to the LZK bit connector. Or a fault in the controller itself.
A wire short or break would be the most likely cause.
I have seen this happen before with cross overs on class 1 railroads and I don't know what the cause was, but I saw it on the ATCS
One of the switches switched with the train in the crossover and derailed.
It should never happen unless the controller fails or there is a short in the wires.
Thank you for your detailed analysis ocsrc. What I can tell you
is how the switch is supposed to work. There is a proximity switch
on the rail. Once a wheel goes over it, the switch counts a wheel
in then when the wheel goes over the other proximity switch
on either the diverging track or main, that wheel is counted out.
So once the switch sees there is a wheel "in the loop" then there
is an electrical lock inside the switch circuitry that will not allow
the switch to throw until that wheel is counted as being out.
You cannot throw that switch electrically until all wheels are
cleared.
What did happen was the rail rolled over enough to all the first
wheel to pick the switch, meaning the stock rail shoved out
enough for a wheel to go down the diverging track instead of
staying on the main. When that wheel hit the switch point
rail it shoved it even further over, thus giving a red indication
on the light. Hope that helps clarify and thank you so much
for watching and writing in my friend. Also hope all is doing
much better on your end. We are praying.
@@ccrx6700 it sounds like the 2 switches make up the Terminal ( TK )
The interlock engagement doesn't allow any changes to the switch while anything is in the Terminal Block
@@ocsrc 👍😊
Do you think you might have had some out side help? Looks like the switch was thrown during movement.
Probably not Thomas, we have almost no issues with that kind of
thing going on and actually in all our years of working here have
had none that I can remember, we are lucky. Coal was covering the
ties up so I couldn't see my spikes. Spikes loosened up then the
heat got to the one rail and lifted it up, so when the car wheel went
over it, that rolled the rail over. This is a bad section of track for it
getting covered with coal with our leaky hopper car doors, it needs
to be cleaned more often so I can see my spikes and ties. Very grateful for your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Murphy's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd laws in play... What can go wrong will, at the worst possible time, so as to cost the most money possible.
I think O'Toole was involved also. He said that Murphy was an optimist.
Things happen NeverEnough time, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
I been working on the railroad……
Thank you for taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
So did the switch throw itself as the train was passing over it? Looking at the derailed cars, it looks like half the wheels wanted to stay on the main, while half wanted to take the diverging track or something. . .
(edit): 7:57 - Ah yes. . . Guess I should wait til I view the whole vid before asking questions! So the track rolled first, causing some of the wheels to follow the diverging track instead of the main. That makes sense. . .
Correct rail rolled first Wally. Thank you for taking the time to
visit with us and check out the video my friend.
I have a theory ... with the operator at the other end of the train I think the switch was picked and he kept shoving. Which in my mind is crazy if that's the case he should have known how much throttle it takes to make a move and if they where off thr rail he didn't pay attention...just my thought I could be wrong....won't be the first time lol
I understand that the engineer can only hear and feel so much. If his ammeter starts spiking, that says extra draw on the motors, and you might feel something. Other than that, you can't hear (or) feel much sitting on 3,000 hp of torque. That's how some drerailments go for miles before it gets noticed.
Operator was using remote box to control the train Someone Said
Soemthing, there is no power gauge on that remote so he did
not know until it was too late. Had he been in the loco then
you are correct.
You are correct Jason. Remember, it's always the operator's fault....LOL Also see reply I made to Someone said Soemthing.
Thanks so much for dropping by tonight Mr. Engineer.
The technical term is
That sucks
Technical term for fudge from a railroaders point of perspective is
a four letter word I used off camera when I first got there. Wash
my mouth out with soap please....:-) Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
It isn't free, and just adds to the cost of mining, which can make or break an otherwise profitable operation.
Thank you Al for taking the time to watch the video and write in. More info will be in next video coming out, hope to see you on that one. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Use the racor instead of the new century stands.
Most of our manual switch stands are Racor animal lou.
Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Ouch!
Yep, but it happens.... That's railroading seetheforest. Glad you could take the time to pay us a visit and check out the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
You know how it was thrown, the dispatcher did it😂
Thank you JTSBMW for taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Can only work till 12, nice, my job you have to work if you get an emergency call.
Union rules graywolf, but I pay big bucks in union dues every month to get some benefits like that, but it's worth it. Thanks so much for checking out the video and writing in my friend.
Not that it helps ya, but the MoW train assembled on track #1 of the layout. I'm looking forward to the repair🚂🇨🇦🇺🇲⛏️👷♂️🏗🚃🚃🚃🚃🚂
Really appreciate your thinking of me Doug, I know I can count
on you for needed help. Great to see you again tonight my friend.
My addiction to your videos is craving, haven't seen one in a while!
Gotcha Dave. I'll work on something this week😊
Maintenance failure…?
Things happen aoilpe, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Watch next video out for more details. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
How many times i gota tell ya to stop derailin trains 😂😂
Fortunately the derails are few and far in between here Timothy.
Last major one was April 2021. Want to say how very much I appreciate your taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
"only I didn't say fudge I said THE word"
Thank you disneykid for taking the time to watch the video. May
you have a most blessed day my friend.
Can someone non-employee sabotage and flip switch?
Switch won't throw if there is a car in the turnout, it's programmed
not to for good reason Larry. Thank you for taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Dave your line has a lot of derailment issues> Is it because the line or the rail cars are old and worn out?? How many derailments before the line gets replaced or the Mine gets shut down?? I am just curious I have no idea about anything that runs on rails. I just stay out of their way.
I'm not sure why you think that Rex, actually we've had about
5 in the past 2 years considering the high amount of trains we
run, I think that is a pretty low percentage. 3 of those were only
1 wheel set, no big deal. You might be surprised that in US
the average according to the FRA is 3 derailments a day over
142,000 track miles in US, that is not counting all the derailments
that are in yards that are not recorded. Good suggestion for
a future video! Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
"Mr. George, how much do you pay the new guy"..........
they actually need more help in his department................
Should the switch have been dusted for fingerprints?
Dry weather would shrink wood and widen the holes, thereby loosening spikes: would sprinkling water on the tracks allieviate the problem?
Yes you know water causes wood to expand, however we would need a water train to sprinkle 16.8 miles of track! :-) What would help immensely is if they would clean up the coal so I could
do a proper track inspection and be able to see the spikes,
watch next video and I will talk about that. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Oh man, the three day weekend blues. As a former public utility lineman I can testify to the number of three day weekends I didn't enjoy due to a call out for a drunk driver taking out a power pole. It never failed. I feel your pain brother!! At least over time I gained enough seniority to not be the first one dispatched. But you are the chief cook, bottle washer AND track maintenance man...things can pile up on you pretty easily. One thing is for certain. That you are responsible for the entire line and these disasters are not a regular occurrence is testimony to the incredible work you do. Hope you got home for at least a bit of the weekend. Next time I hoist a cold one with friends we will toast to you!!
As someone who worked for a flood control district, I can feel your pain. I've lost track of how many times a 3 or 4 day weekend was canceled due to rain. And as the person who was on-call, it wasn't unusual to get a wake up call at 0100 and need to go in due to some kind of problem. If it took more than an hour to fix, it wasn't even worth going home and back to bed as I had to be back at work anyways at 0600 as we were running 12 hour shifts. When you put in 3500 hours in a year, it wears you down. Bad thing, out of the original 4 FTE at the site, I'm the only survivor and was only the second youngest. All of us went out under a disability retirement. The good thing, all that OT counted towards that retirement payment.
“They got here quick.”
Under promise and over deliver.
Things happen darnoldie as you well know, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading and line manning ....:-) My dad was a lineman for the power company here, never failed to get a call out on a holiday, that's the way we grew up. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
You guys get vacation days? Sign me up, I've been doing 6 days for 15 years straight. Christmas and Independence Day off, that's it.
@@cann5565 👍😊
At least we have guys like you with a high level of expertise. For that, I'm thankful. Thanks Dave
Thank you TTB for the very kind words. I've been on my share of
derailments, never a fun time, but it happens and that's railroading.
Appreciate your taking the time to drop by and check out the
video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 That's Railroadin'!
Yes sir you have a hell of a job, my uncle phil would love this sort of thing. stay safe out there!
If there's a birthday, anniversary or a holiday, never fails;-) Hats off to you and yours. I was always salary, so it was always for free and never close to home.
Your right about that James, my dad was a lineman for the power
company and he always got called out on holidays and birthdays!
Thanks for the nice comment and for visiting with us tonight my friend. I hear you on the salary and actually 2 salaried guys
stayed the whole night here to help get the track back in service.
Fortunately it wasn't at speed Dave. None the less, what a headache, I certainly feel for you! Having a good crew to tidy up must a relief, just know you're itching to check out that track.
Things happen Richard, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
I know the pain very well, get called out for a derailment when nothing has been done yet to remove the cars and locomotives, last derailment we had in 2020 occurred the night before Christmas Eve, I got to the site at 03:00 on Christmas Eve and waited nearly 6 hours for the clean up before we could do anything, Hulcher was busy dealing with another derailment that occurred up north and the company called two other contractors from Montana and we had to wait for them to arrive, it was a 16 hour day for us.
Things happen Jason as you know, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Dave - You’ve weathered no pun intended cars that derailed and dumped their loads in the tracks in the dead of winter.
I’ve watched your channel for awhile now and I’ve observed you’ve dealt with a lot of issues
I have no doubt you’ll make this situation work out.
Keep your head up
The good thing about this is that no one got hurt.
Wish I could be there to help you out with this.
If it’s a holiday weekend and guys are out drinking I don’t want them near the job site.
God bless my friend
Things happen Johnathan, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Thanks for the nice comment. You are right, unsafe for guys under the influence to be not only driving but certainly not on the job site. Great words of encouragement you offered. Much appreciated my friend.
Very interesting... these things do occasionally happen... but no body was hurt. Re-railing those wheels is quite an art form... from what I have seen. Like but welding rails,, it's very impressive technology.
I hope they are paying you good Brother.
Your Knowledge is priceless.
As you say - "Thats Railroading"
SALUTE!!
Thank you Viciousl for sharing your thoughts, very nice comment.
Appreciate your taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Hope you were able to calm down without having your own derailment. Sometimes things just happen. Not seeing anything that points to anything you did or failed to do. Hate to say it but I am suspicious of those spikes.
Yes David things do happen, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) but, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Dave it could have been a lot worse they could have rolled all the way over.
luckily they did not roll over.......that really would have been a mess!
Yep. No one was hurt and the cleanup will be small.
Things happen Jason, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) but, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
@@ccrx6700 I sure understand things happen at least your railroad is not 10 mph for 50 miles. I have to say you got a great set up where you are and a company that wants to invest money into your railroad. Keep up the good work Dave looking forward to your next video.
@@jasonoliver5388 👍😊
No one was hurt. The cars are upright. There aren’t hundreds of tons of coal on the ground. A problem yes. But a recoverable problem.
Thank you Kent for taking the time to watch the video and write in. You are right, things could have been much worse. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
This is the incentive to pull the pin, old railroad term for taking pension. Never a dull moment, especially on a holiday weekend. Many a time I was called out on a holiday. Arlene, the crew caller would call crying and ask my wife if I would take the call. Wife looked at me and I said, double time and a half, deadhead, gas, and mileage plus the next working day off with the earnings of the assignment; darn tooting I'll take the call! Slapped some turkey and fixings in a tupper ware container and out the door I went. Always kept my grip in the car for fast action. Sorry to see this happen, the look on your face was enough explanation as to how you felt.
Yep, that's railroading ....:-) Cool story Gary! Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
That was a very interesting video Dave. I am really interested in your railroad. I have been thinking about filming a couple of your trains over by the covered bridge. I am in Cass , West Virginia right now and supposed to be in Strasburg Pa. the following weekend. I’m trying to figure out if I can stop by over there on the way to Strasburg or on the way back. Coal trains have always been my favorite. I’m still in the planning stages but I sure would love to see a couple of your coal trains passing by 😊
Really do Love your comment.
Thank you for the kind words Jaw Tooth. Glad you enjoyed.
My email is in the about me page, get in touch and we will
trade info so I can keep you informed of when trains will be
running, don't want you to make a trip if nothing is going on.
Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Sorry that happened. I'm happy that no one was hurt. Take care Dave.
Things happen Valerie, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Thanks for the nice comment and yes it could
have been a lot worse. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Not sure about your specific weather, but up here in SW Ontario we had the driest May since they started recording weather data. Our grass was brown, with some being a straw yellow-- and still is even after a week of off and on rain, marked by a few downpours. We all know how wood shrinks or expands depending on moisture content, I'm not surprised there were loose spikes, if that's what the cause was.
good train of thought.
Convincing. Surely at least a contributing factor.
Thank you Rod for taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend. 3 weeks of very dry
weather, grass turning brown here too, then we got 2 days of
heavy rains, grass greening back up. Back to lawn mowing :-)
Dave, I think them ties are shot. They look pretty rotted to me.
time for a complete inspection of the line, and a reconditioning program put in to function.
Yeps had some bad ties, watch next video out Transmitter Guy.
Appreciate your dropping by and checking out the show my friend.
All the wheel flanges that I saw looked good. Guess the rail rolled before the switch got picked. Does that switch indicate "has been thrown" or just its position? Could it be indicating that direction because it got forced that way, or would it have to be actuated to indicate that direction? I'm used to manual switches with bow handles not this new-fangled stuff.
You are exactly correct Andrew. It indicated position because
it was forced. It is programmed not to throw if there is a car
in the turnout. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
I'd be pissed! On a holiday! I know you got PAID though. Cool vid. Thanks for explaining how you do what you do. I was always curious how the process was handled.
Things happen Travis, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
How does 5 ties with loose spikes get missed though? Could it be felt driving over it with your work truck? Can it be seen from a distance as weight is passing over it?
Heat also may have played a factor in it Nick, Spikes were covered
with 4 inches of coal and impossible to see, will talk more about
that in the next video out. Thanks so much for dropping by
and checking out tonight's show my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Thanks Dave you rock!
Dave's gotta be careful. Huffing and puffing like a steam engine.
I've got some breathing problems, heat makes it worse and it
was 90 that day Andrew. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
@@ccrx6700 - Yeah, Dave. Us fat old farts aren't what we used to be. Careful.
@@andreweppink4498 👍😊
Hi Mr. Dave Wow! That section of track wasn't the new rails and ties. Looks like it picked the the points, but I'm no expert. Looks very " EXSPENSIVE" good luck Mr. Dave.
Thank you Terry for taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend. More info will be in the next video coming out. Hope to see you on that one.
Very lucky could have been much worse the switch tripping may have saved the cars from rolling over great video thanks Dave I wish I could be there to help
Excellent point Gary, it could have been a lot worse for sure.
The operator was on remote dumping the cars and didn't
realize cars were off until it was too late. Always enjoy
having you write in and visit with us my friend.
😢Sad to see that mess Dave! 👍👍
@@tomharrington1393 that's railroadin 😊
Yikes! And it happened right as you were leaving! It's interesting how a combination of factors like the missing spikes and a bit of extra heat can cause a derailment like that! Luckily it wasn't moving very fast at the time. Do you guys have to do more inspections or anything like that when it gets real hot?
Things happen mojo, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) but, things could have been worse. Yes I often
do up to 3 inspections a week when it is really hot or bitter cold. Have even done them daily at times. Weather is hard on track. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
@@ccrx6700 I was going to follow-up with the extreme cold question. It must be pretty darn difficult to eyeball all of that track! At least nobody was hurt 😊
@@PlanetMojo 👍😊
Oh that look on your face....I knew without titles.
Yes, I was not pleased about getting a phone call when I was
in the shower Douglas, but hey, that's railroading. It happens
and fortunately it happens rarely here. At least it wasn't far
off in the boonies where you had to walk a mile to get to!
Thanks so much for stopping by and checking out the video my friend.
@@ccrx6700 It's that look on your face that tells it all before you even speak. But thank God it's not usual thing.
@@douglas9220 😊👍
WOW this is amazing... what you guys go throw the keep us safe! Thanks Dave. We ♥️U ! 👍
Things happen Betty, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Thank you for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Outstanding video as always! Your troubleshooting and thought process are very thorough. Being extremely experienced and detailed oriented helps in laying out the root cause of failure. Has a thought been given to using alternating spikes and rail clamps for a less flexible hold down? How many spikes in a row need to pull out to start the rail rollover? 5-10? Less?
Thank you Todd for taking the time to watch the video and write in. More info in next video coming out, hope to see you on that one.
Didn't take too many spikes loose with the heat pushing the rail up. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
“Only I didn’t say fudge.” 😂
I didnt' either off camera Jim.... LOL But this is a family friendly
channel and they don't wursh your mouth out with soap when
you say that here, at least not yet...LOL Thanks so much my
friend for writing in and watching.
That response time is outstanding considering when this happened.
Thank you Keith for taking the time to watch the video and write in. More info in next video coming out, hope to see you on that one.
Hulcher was only about 30 minutes away. Quick you are right. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Yesterday I was coming back from my mom dad's with my boys and we have to drive past a Ritchie Bros auction. They usually have 4 or 5 side booms over there and when I saw those, I thought "I wonder how Dave is doing?'" Then I see this video. Sorry to see this happen Dave.
Thank you clineshaunt, that called serendipity.... :-) Appreciate your taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Thanks Dave you do the same!
@@clineshaunt 👍😊
Not surprised you handled this with class and grace. Grateful for your expertise and that you were there to handle. Sorry for your ruined weekend ..but at least your weather was good. It poured for days here in NC for memorial day weekend.
you lucky, you got rain...up north, we look at the dried grass, and it catches fire.
Thank you Kerry for taking the time to watch the video and write in. More info in next video coming out, hope to see you on that one.
We sure needed that rain we didn't get! May you have a most blessed day my friend.
The insider view plus Dave makes this riveting content for me. Thanks, Dave. Good luck cleaning it all up (3 weeks ago!)
Thanks Bender for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
That has to be some feat to put those LOADED" cars back on track ! ... ... and only 2 hours ⁉ IDK ... ... It seems to me that "CCRX 6700" is experiencing more mishapps than normal. You may want to take a "L👀K" at your history of accidents to see if there is a surge in occurances. I do not believe in "coincidences" I am hoping that you are allowed to keep us posted especially if there is foul play afoot.
Things happen Captain Tom, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Actually while it may seem different, for the
large amount of trains we run the percentage of derailments is
very low. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Funny how things like that never happens on a Monday morning. Always at quitting time and the start of big weekends.
Things happen Pete, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) but, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
How do you check the rail and ties with them covered?
You can't, more about that in the next video coming out Public Eye,
this could have been prevented if I would have been able to
do a proper track inspection and see the ties. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
if that switch is done via radio DTMF (phone keypad tones), someone in theory could have a cheap hand held radio and throw the switch themselves.
We had a problem with our SCADA system radios being interfered with. And as a taxing district which operated under the Army Corps of Engineers, nothing was allowed to be on our channels for over 750 miles. Well not legally anyways. So out came our radio vans to triangulate where the interference was coming from. Turned out it was a Federal government agency. They got a rather nasty cease and desist letter. Problem with radio systems is that you can get bounce that can have the signal travel thousand of miles so it might not even be intentional. We often listened in to a place over a 1000 miles away on a frequency that is close to what railroads operate on.
@@gravelydon7072 I'm a trucker. Well aware of skip. I do it all the time with my high end CB. XD
But as for something like this, it'd have to be intentional if this was the cause. The way it works is you key your radio, then press a code on the keypad to activate the switch thats listening on the same freq. Someone could in theory even record the transmission and play it back. They use a repeater system at this location as well, so someone could be far off and still hit the switch radio.
The only thing that "keeps" someone off the repeater is called tone squelch (CTCSS or DCS). Its either an analog or digital tone that the repeater listens for but doesnt replay on its transmission. If it doesnt hear it when someone keys on its freq, it wont repeat.
What you don't know about these electric switches is, they are
programmed not to throw if a car is in the turnout. You can try on
a radio to throw it or try on a push button on the switch pole, but
it will not throw until the car is out of the loop. Rail rolled over
because of loose spikes which pushed the point rail out far
enough so the car then picked the switch. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Just watched the video you did on it when you opened it up. Lots more tech in it than i expected. Lol.
@@BlakDrgn 👍😊
Could have been far worse. Always on weekends and holidays!!
or, in the cold night,3 foot of snow, on a holiday.
Things happen Thomas, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Oh my goodness Dave! Thanks for sharing! Thank goodness for these rigging companies!
Things happen Eric, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
@@ccrx6700 That's true! Same goes for farming! (Ask me how I know!) lol 😆
@@ericcoffedgp40 👍😊😎
Hell of a thing Dave but on the good side it was low speed, light, and not raining. I am very impressed with the response from your contractors
Things happen Ian, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) but, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Memorial Day is not a drinking holiday !! It's a Day of Reverence for showing Respect for our Fallen Soldiers who gave their Lives for Our Freedom ..
Unfortunately it's a holiday for most to drink and have a cookout
Thank you SGT Bailes for taking the time to watch the video and write in and sharing your thoughts on that. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Kinda sounds like the mine needs to invest in some flex tape
Thank you Arkay for taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Well, sh🎉t happens, and y’ forgot to say, “that’s railroadin”.
Track mechanics are extremely interesting! Thank-you.
Things happen Rick, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) So there you have it! Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
I'm sorry to see that happen. Will the cranes have to be brought in? Also, Dave it is very good no one was injured or killed.
Things happen Cameron, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) but, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
It always happens on holidays. That was such a long day for you. I got tired just thinking of your long day. And turn around next morning. And then trying to find people on a holiday. Looking forward to your next video. Hope you got some rest. Thanks for filming this for us.
Things happen Beverly, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
Greetings from Norway, good to hear nobody got hurt in this derailment. We also use wood-sleepers some places in Norway, although concrete is the most used. However, we don't fix the rails with spikes, we use wood-screws - spikes has not been used for several decades. Would it not be better to fasten the rails with screws rather than spikes?
Thank you Hakon for taking the time to watch the video and write in with that info, interesting. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
the wheel at 9:45 looks extremely worn out to me, the flange profile - thanks for the video !!!
Thanks Edward, we have here an extreme amount of wear on
our wheels. Factors: while only 16.8 miles of track there are 70 curves over 2/3 of those are high degree curves. Cars are always
loaded at max weight. We have all jointed track, very hard on
wheels. There is no rail grinding program here. Add in all that
a whole lot of stress on the wheels. The wheel you questioned
was close to being condemnable, I put my wheel gauge on it,
but it was still in specs. Appreciate your writing in and watching
my friend and very good observation on your part.
2hours to rerail 5 cars! I'm jealous. It takes a minimum of 4 hours when we derail one of our LRV's. And we have the luxury of embedded rail and not working in ballast.
Thank you Beyond Middle Aged Man for taking the time to watch the video and write in. This was an easy one for Hulcher! May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Thanks for sharing Dave. Thankfully It wasn't worse. It will be interesting to hear your conclusion.
Thank you Brian for taking the time to watch the video and write in.
Yes you are right, things could have been worse. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
I love your Laurel & Hardy reference in your description.🤣😆
New Sub Here, great stuff! Really enjoy it, from one RR to another RR.
Glad you enjoyed and welcome to our community here, we are pleased
to have you join in with us timeforbeans. Thank you very much for taking the time to check out the rail rolled over video and write in my friend.
Oh fudge indeed! A railroaders work is never done! -Jenny
You are right about that Jenny, always something, very nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to watch the video and write in. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
@@ccrx6700 You are welcome! Hope your Monday goes well!
Whoa, not a good way to end or start a day. Thank goodness he wasn't running at any speed and no one was hurt. Can't believe how quickly those repair crews showed up, really fortunate in that regard. Great video as usual. Thank you Dave👍
Things happen Rick, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) But, things could have been worse. Thanks for the nice comment. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
What a mess! The good news though... all the cars remained upright, and you didn't dump any coal on the tracks! Whats that saying..... 'Thats Railroading!' 😀
Things happen Mike, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) So there you have that saying. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.
I'm sorry your weekend got messed up Dave, it is fortunate you have good people to call when things go wrong.
Things happen Raymond, usually at the worst times, but that's railroading ....:-) Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and write in my friend.