barb and druid is ruining this game for me. Barb is ridiculous as it wins in all the benchmarks (healthiness, hits hardest, quickest, high pdr/mdr, cant be knockbacked) then druid is able to do the best of every class, cutthroat, movement, stealth, healing and escape. It's busted and this community is going to abuse it until IM does something about it
Honestly have 500 hours in the game mostly just fucking around with friends and going for areana gear. Been trying to learn warlord and spectral knight for the last few weeks, but has been impossible to do with how many griefers and rats that are around. Not saying it should be free to do, but it would be nice to actually get an attempt in
the game launched with goblin caves being a solo only map, and some classes were designed to be better in solo envioirnments later on when they added the warlock and druid. I think they do design the game with solo play in mind but i bet its hard for them to find a balance for solo/group gameplay. I hope they figure something out soon though!
That's completely untrue and you misunderstand entirely. The game wants trio's to be the balanced the environment but that doesn't mean for a second they don't buff/nerf based on solo performance so long as it doesn't completely kill trio balance. All of the landmine rogue changes were related to solo, all of the warlock TM nerfs were related to solo, all of the recent druid nerfs, solo, the 1.0 ranger nerfs, solo. This is just naming a couple off the top of my head, there's entire hotfixes worth of solo changes you can go through. The game is absolutely intended for solo/duo and they continually make changes that make the game more accessible to solo's and duo's, they just don't let it impact trio balance heavily.
@@billybobbington11 This is the exact opposite of what Sdf and Terry outright said in their latest interview. They don't care about solos, they don't balance for it and they have been internally discussing removing it as it is their biggest regret.
@@saint_snow They can say whatever they want, the changes they make to the game proves otherwise, if they didn't care about solo's they wouldn't make any balance changes around it and they do, constantly, every single hotfix. SDF/IM changes their direction/philosophy for the game every couple of weeks. If they didn't care about solo's, they would have been left with GC regular and never done a single bit more work on it. They wouldn't have done everything in their power to make the solo experience as close to equal to trio's as possible. They change boss abilities to make them more solo friendly, they changed the other maps to make it so solo's can play on them, they balance classes around solo interactions. Actions speak louder than words ever will. They can regret doing it as much as they want it doesn't mean they aren't still constantly doing it.
@@billybobbington11 In what way is the solo experience remotely close to trios? And what balance changes have they made in regard to solos? They don't balance around solos at all, they have been adamant about this. The only time they changed a boss mechanic was the wyvern so that any party size can attempt it like any other boss. That's not catering to any specific party size.
I think what you’re seeing is the devs’ best effort to make the game appealing to the widest variety of the player base. They want gear easy to find, but still want gear to make a big difference in power level so it’s not meaningless to find. They want people to be able to PVP or to be able to rat around and avoid players, they want the dungeon to be scary and unknown but also want it to not be too unbalanced gear wise (gear brackets), and they want to keep new players playing instead of being scared off by veterans immediately. I think arena was their attempt to keep the hardcore PVP’rs happy with nothing but fights, and at the same time lessen the amount of Timmy stompers that used to run through dungeons. I think random dungeons make it less likely for ppl to get spawn rushed and makes third partying fights less common (crypts is currently the best map to actually fight because of this). They are addressing a lot of major problems that the game had prior to this season, and will address new problems as they occur. You’re really a complete noob to this game (less than 1000hrs) so you don’t know how amazing the game currently is compared to older seasons/playtests. They will fix most of these problems by randomising the other maps. As for the door closing thing, you’ve gotta just accept when someone doesn’t want to fight they will want to get away, not everyone is playing the game the exact same way, the devs have stated they want people to have different goals in the dungeon. However , I do think they could do more with making active live events happen in the dungeons to promote high traffic areas (such as showing a spot of the map to everyone and revealing a legendary+ drop will be guaranteed there or a loot goblin or something) Apex Legends had a cool way of doing this with Hot Drop zones which had better loot available in certain POI’s, a lot of creators have already suggested things like this so I’m sure the devs will be working on systems like it, also the loot goblin has already been datamined.
The game has ben designed to insentivise these types of behaviors. If loot was easier, and continuous spawning disabled it would be better. I also think that boss rooms should be locked once you enter until death or win.
personally i think loot is extremely easy to get this season but i agree with the rest, only issue with locking the boss room is finding out how to go about doing the locking, i bought it up in my follow up video to this one. just such a tricky thing to balance!
I'm up to like 200 hours and I'm having a lot of fun running squire kits. Every time I have attempted high roller it was a huge mistake. I don't know if I'll ever like high roller. Some of the builds are too ridiculous and I just get rushed immediately. I don't play druid but they're basically non-existent right now so I think they might have gone a little overboard with the nerf.
I’d say barbarian and rogue are a big problem especially when you consider how cheap their meta gear for w keying/ratting are compared to meta builds for all other classes. I honestly wish IM would just balance the game toward fast paced combat that’s enhanced by pve which rewards you for playing instead of sabotaging others
I think the problem with ratting stems from the low barrier to entry for HR, specifically 224+ because honestly 125 feels pretty fair and I see significantly less rats, although fleeing fights is still an issue, I know what to expect on them. for 225+ there are 3 different results when you kill someone 1 they were naked and had a purple weapon in their inventory 2 their gear is trash, or 3 wearing BIS gear, purple weapon costs like 150 gold, with how bad inflation had gotten since PT1 that’s like 20 gold from season 1, it’s so easy to queue and people like the “zero to hero”, so you can either pay 150 gold for a chance at 20k gold or pay 20k gold for a chance at 150 gold, why even wear gear if you only see barbs and rat, honestly it’s a waste of time and resources to put them in the same lobby
I have been playing a lot of off-meta builds like no spell cleric warlock and crossbow only ranger, and the fights feel great until I run into a barbarian who either 1 taps me with a zwei or has 200 hp and 50% phys damage bonus on the best weapons in game, I think the number 1 thing they can do to fix the rat problem is to increase barrier to entry, maybe you need every slot of gear filled for 225 or gear that isn’t for your class doesn’t count for gear score, for the barbs and stuff I think they should either add a parry mechanic where if you block at the exact second the blade gets hit the enemy is staggered (adds more skill) or just make it so when you do block an attack there is a significant recoil on enemy swings, but that doesn’t really help classes that can’t block
@@lukevaillancourt4071 barb doesnt need a nerf. Please just go play it and get yourself kited across 4 modules. You people dying to barbs are taking shitty fights in low gear score lobbies. Thats it. Every one of you should be capable of either leaving, being better in melee, or poking them down. Ffs barbs have the slowest and easiest blocked/dodged attacks. YOU COULD PLAY HIGH PDR RONDEL WITH A BOARD AND CRUSH HARDER.
In my opinion, this game would be way better if either of these two things were true: You can open and close doors instantly, regular interaction no longer increases door opening just every single class can open doors like a normal human. Or all the maps reworked to where the modules connect it would be more open, and little to no doors
@@aleshkan2966I wouldn’t agree, I main ranger this season, I would say ranger is the strongest class right now both solo and trio. If you play arena regularly, you will find that most of the time, the ranger in your team deals the most damage. Sometimes I hit zero headshots and still deal more damage than the rest of my teammates combine. I don’t really use doors unless it’s trio, I am the one usually opening the doors, if you bring impact shot and triple shot, you don’t need doors. By the way, sorcerer should be the most broken class right now, and only ranger have the long range burst to counter the sorcerer’s aim lock, wall penetrating, slowing, and takes more than half of your health lightning. So that makes ranger the strongest.
feel the same, i have played 100 hours since today so i am still a big noob, but the fame 500 + even 700+ are all in sub 24 to kill timmy's and grind bosses, in a week time i have spammed goblin cave to learn the bosses, there always dead or being taken by high level players, i had 1 game i got a free cyclops i managed to kill it to, then got 3rd party'd by 2 groups, after 100 hours i still dont know how to kill the bosses, since i get no oppertuniity to learn
Barb is a powerful, cheap, low skill floor class that is incredibly frustrating to play against, but it’s not the most broken class in the game. The best players in this game play things like Bard, Druid, Sorc, Cleric, and Fighter, if Barb were that good they’d play him.
@@Aatrox_Darkin Little better? Fucking fighter just leftclick spam any barb, just because thanks to massive pdr, fighter bursting two handed barb with fucking falchion. Just yesterday Ive seen couple of times how rubysilver fighter wiped entire enemy team in arena solo, because of massive pdr and self heal. This shit should be nerfed.
Barbs are what noobs cry about in low gear score. Instant noob take. Barb is the easiest to counterplay and 1 dimensional. Everyone knows exactly what to do and if you die to barb he almost certainly outskilled you with the footsies. Beat you with fundementals.
The addition of solos, coupled with the already annoying highroller culture that has been there since the tests is what you're experiencing. Gear over fights and pussyfooting because the gear matters too much. If you removed solos and duos and went back to all party sizes together with the circle then it doesn't matter. Ratting can be done but it's harder bc there's a circle forcing movement through the map and if you're alone you have to play a lot more tactically. Teaming doesn't matter because for example, if a solo and solo just decide to team then they become a pseudo "duo" in the moment. Best part is, Ironmace knew this, already internally tested all this, told the community many times anytime it was brought up why they used random portals, why they had the circle and why they wanted all party sizes together in one queue and didn't want to add solos (duos wasn't even remotely a talking point yet). And yet they still flaked and now here we are over two years later and Terry and Sdf have not only been mentioning removing solos and such but outright said in the most recent dev interview that their biggest regret was adding it in the first place and have been internally discussing removing it. I genuinely hope they do, I miss the Ironmace that stuck to their guns with their idea for the game. The continuous system doesn't work well and if you want to remove map rotation while having fast games, you gotta remove the queues. Old dark and darker with the circle, random portals and all party sizes in one queue was king and its a fact.
@@aleshkan2966 you started playing again because they added solos?? They added solos to the game over two years ago on the third PLAYTEST when you could play the game for less than a week?
@@colekennedy8041 No i want the game to go back to 80-100k when it didn't have solos and had the circle and random portals. When Ironmace had their direction and stuck to it instead of flaking and flip-flopping. When the overall community sentiment for the game was overwhelmingly positive even though we could only play the game for a week and some change each month.
@@aleshkan2966 You could play as a solo just fine in every playtest, even after they added solos. People didn't even like solos when it came out. Players considered it "not the actual game" and just played crypts like before. This is all well documented through old Q and A's as well as many youtube videos and reddit posts back then. The overall sentiment was against it. Playing solo became more and more difficult as they started to widen the gear gap and remove core functions like the portals and circle that Sdf and Terry themselves said they used as tools to create a game that could facilitate all party sizes together.
Its a weird phenomenon, people dont like to admit it cuz "muh hardcore" or "this isnt fortnite" or whatever but most issues I see alot of people complain about is solved with higher time to kill and diminishing survivability and sustain as fights go on via armor break or recoverable health mechanics, anything. The issue is they nerf these "unique" builds because now its that build vs other people that cant just one tap but they are still getting one tapped themselves? Yes the games core mechanics would probably havw to drastically change but that would be amazing. Its taboo to think about because the one time cleric wiz barb was buff ball meta and no other classes had buffs to keep up. But every single time without fail they start trying to make time to kill lower the game gets worse by exponents. If sdf was serious about this being the way they are staying the game is doomed. Its Infuriating to have no chance of outplay, less satisfaction for everyone that is the first one to left click other than a few psychos with tiny egos, more boring youtube/twitch content etc. If it was higher TTK it would be way easier to balance, less gear fear so people bring in better kits too so kills are more rewarding. NOT TO MENTION they could actually let classes do unique things again, druid can do druid stuff, barb can be a self healing monster, rogue can be a hit and run invising poisoning psycho, you name it. Also lets them have more difficult, dynamic pve. Ttk is the single most deciding factor on fun or not for people in any pvp game wether you want to admit it or not, let alone in an extraction game like dark and darker. Absolutely no one in their sane, right, mind wants to get jumped by someone standing completely still in a corner for 5 minutes with no chance of outplay because they got the first hit, and then lose thousands of gold for a kit potentially. "perma fights" and whatever can easily be solved tens of ways without making everyone 1/2/3 hittable, i dont care how hardcore or realistic you want your game to feel, people need time to react to landmine and rats or it will never ever be fun. This is the same reason barb is so broken soley because he can last an extra hit or 2 than most classes but 2 tap everyone else. hmmmm how about that?? I am, and will always be, of the opinion that longer time to kills are almost always better in ANY pvp game but ESPECIALLY a game like dark and darker. This in combination with a more random, and larger map, would make the game legendary. its fantasy, not hostage siege simulator where you are a fragile human against fast flying lead chunks. game should be about resource management in your trek through the dungeon. Tl:dr, increse time to kill and let people have the opportunity to outplay (nullyfying instant landmine) and more people will be willing to take fights via other advantages(because they wont get landmined themselves). people want to be able to see gold go up, so they will do what makes gold go up. 2nd tldr, if you know how v rising pvp works This game needs to do that lol.
rambly comment incoming I have a similar playtime and experience with the game as you. When i tried playing HR this season the sub 224 bracket was just full of rogues with + true damage and +max health on everything making it borderline unplayable unless you had some similarly meta build, and i here i was thinking people would go there to loot pve and fight without too much worry for expensive gear. I think one of the coolest concepts introduced recently is finding and crafting your own set to fight people in arenas with because i feel like that's in the spirit of what i want from the game. Some of the most fun I've had this season is just running at people in low roller with a friend. A lot of recent changes to the game are really good but the core issues of ratting and a very narrow meta have been around since the play tests. Any change that upsets the status quo is swiftly reverted - the devs seem to value ratting, and reward playing like a scumbag. It makes me wonder if they play the same game i do, because it feels awful. I feel like some of the aspects of this game are conceptually bad but I'm not smart enough to know how they should address it or if they even can anymore.
i actually have been really enjoying this wipe. i love sorcerer although it's kinda OP right now. the design of the class is really cool and it plays really well, has a high skill ceiling aswell. also, i personally really love the continues dungeon system and reds and blues spawning early is so nice. i have just really been enjoying the wipe. although i do hate Barbarians and Druid. i have not been having many frustrations this wipe, just chilling , questing, making money, bossing, pvping. so fun.
Killed Ghost King the other day and i swear to god as soon as he died 3 doors opened and 9 dudes flooded into the room and killed each other while me and my friend looted GK and dipped.. shit was wild.
Feel like the ratting issue really stems from massive differences in gear allowed in HR. Mostly playing low roller these days cus you get a lot of PVP that feels good imo
solutions? Agree on the door part, the rat playstyles, desagree about druids panther form but np. What could they do? Randomise map takes time, mabe it will help
Bro i totally agree, i play duos and solos only as a cleric. Now dont get me wrong clerics are apart of the problem with their sustain but at this point theyre nowhere as good as they use to be. And the issue of fighting and then fucking rogues just coming out of the woodworks just to bumfuck me because ive fought off another 20 rogues is pissing me the fuck off. God forbid i fight a boss, becuase right after i beat the boss some 20 odd rogues pop out the ground. And cleric being so slow its such a piss take trying to chase. If i hit a judgment i thank god and i clobber their skulls but if i dont then i might aswell give the chase up. I do agree that they need to insetivise fights. Actual fights with a fun meta. I really like what they did at the start of the season. I loved the fuck out of it but now sort the pvp out
brother, i feel your pain… just basic frocking SDF playing 1-2 hours in a week isn’t healthy for the game to make huge steps in the direction of developing they doesn’t feel limits of having fun being destroyed by adding stupid things like unlimited enemies spawning in the first half time of the map, removing expressman, which brought INSANE fun of not having to get out of the game because you got fucking skulls and shit for the quest or even some good items from PVP. you have to reset the match, which i don’t think is funny i predicted before the wipe, that they’re going to destroy boss farming cuz of that. i’ll better pve and pvp for 30 mins just to have the ability to fucking kill the boss alone in peace and harmony then to fight 123 teams rushing in to get lil piece of cheese.. i killed almost 40-50 warlords and lichs (norms and hr variations) and 40 ghost kings and i haven’t had even ONE time to just farm pile and leave. every time someone rushes in. like i don’t even need to fight because I DON’T HAVE SPACE IN THE INVENTORY…. i truly understand your frustration, our reasons may differ, but in the end we feel same disappointment for the state of the game. and the saddest part is that they’re not capable of creating any solutions for these problems, because everything they do - just makes game for laggy and shitty. we did not get any update for this week, despite the fact that the game literally cries for it i got you a long-read, but i just can’t hold this anymore, i’m losing interest in a game that i spent more than 2k hours from having heaven fun and enjoyment to losing my mind to not having fucking working ladders (for almost 1 year), quivers (from the early access release, almost 2 years) and the list just goes on and on… hope to see new vids from you and maybe some miracle, that will wake the dev team up to solve all the problems.
As a new player with 400 hours, ive learned the basics of the game and almost got demigod my 1st season(4). I probably have 200hrs in sub 25 and even there the experience is almost the exact same. maybe with less druids, but with barbs who are stat checking you in squire gear, but def rogues.
@@kingelite7617 within the context of the video and what is being talked about it does. Im a new player with roughly 50/50 in hr and low lobbies. stop being a toxic pessimistic andy for no reason and adding to the negative vibe surrounding the community. your comment doesnt mean anything.
@@jordanhow123punch Not trying to be toxic. Just saying many people think demigod means something. All it means is you looted chests and ran away from fights
@@kingelite7617 in my experience i never strayed from a fight. maybe in the early hours. but if i have to fight i fight. the game is a looter. and in order to get demigod you have to survive. so it means i did pvp to maintain rank.
I feel your frustration brother. Ratting is out of control rn and it kills the fun in the game. People seem to care more about gear than having fun engaging pvp.
I want to have fun crawling around a dungeon finding loot with a chance there might be pvp - not a deathmatch where everyone rushes like fools - Make Crawling Great Again.
I'm a very new player, complete noob, but I've been hooked I played like 150hrs and have 8/10 classes at 30+ level. But I'm getting completely destroyed by "rats" all the time every map every format as well, and I really wish there was a server for 40+ year old people lol. People with low DEX and some kind of courtesy and wisdom. It's tiring getting chain stomped by bored kids all day long. I just want to explore the game and dig deeper at the PvE content at my own pace, with some PvP here and there. I play at 24GS maps just to finish some quests and learn the maps and i get obliterated by naked rogues who kill me for absolutely no gain and no apparent reason, just roaming around to kill everyone because... idk... because this is the game? I must admit I'm not sure I understand either. They get instant satisfaction from the kill, and then they rinse & repeat. While I'm chain joining games at 24GS just to get +1 here and there on my quest objectives, hoping to learn one skill at a time, slowly but surely... I'm still having fun atm, but I think that will fade soon heh. I hope they add a more PvE-friendly format in the future, or a format for people who don't want to instant kill on sight every other player every time they cross path, otherwise i'm cooked.
Landmine rogue made me stop playing, even high pdr builds just get melted by it and its so easy to sit outside a boss room door waiting for players to come out for any given reason and kill them fast af before they get chance to react
I totally hear you brother. big chunks of this game totally suck -- and those cracks don't really start showing until the 500+ hour mark (so right about where you're at haha). IM lacks design skill, technical proficiency, & courage/conviction. also most players generally suck & will take the path of least resistance, leading to artless meta humping and all the worst parts of this game getting abused for maximum PvP advantage. but keep sharing your thoughts please, because I think you see the situation clearly and it's good to have more people talking honestly about how the game needs to change to save itself :) good luck in 2025!!
1.5k hour player here, listened to the whole thing and i rly dont think ur delusional but feel like ur frustrated and not looking at the bigger picture here, i'll go ahead and say this first before adressing the points you made, i've been a solo/duo player for most of my hours and the last couple hundred or a bit more, mostly this wipe, i've been transitioning to trios, and have been having way more fun, me and 2 friends spent the longest time trying to figure out a comp that works for us and we ended up finding it and we're having alot of fun adapting to diff matchups, plus the game are not rock paper scissors anymore, and this to say that i see it now tbh, game cannot be and is currently not balanced around solos and duos. Like for an example, the door problem that is oh so real in solos and maybe duos i've found it to be way way less of an issue on trios, too many people to coordinate perhaps, more ways to break doors and people are generally more willing to take a fight. But if trios are not possible then if ur looking for pvp, prob gc is the best choice, i see you play barb so maybe take crush and chase, i know it wont solve the problem but it should make it more bearable. Also the 224 bracket people seem to be way more willing to fight aswell due to the minmaxing of kits there and they generally think that they're stronger than every1 else. Plus if you lose the fight you aint even spend that much and you got decent pvp out of it. On the classes you see on the dungeon for an example, i remember rondelion fighter being absolutely dummy strong for the longest time, havent seen one in trios, 2 gazillion hp barb is still very prominent but with 2 other people on the team hes not that much of an issue, plus the comps i see are almost all different. I do agree with the continuous dungeon and 3rd party issue but i do believe that when the maps are all randomized and have fog of war then that problem might be solved a lil bit. And just to close it out, the druid pdr nerf was most defo needed ( saying this as a druid main aswell ), druids were annihilating 224 lobbies, they could just grab a full purple kit with grey weps, slot it all with max hp and pdr and they were extremely hard to kill, alot of the big content creators were playing it and they were expecting a nerf to that exactly, and this is more or less was where my turnover to trios started too because druid is EXCEPTIONAL in trios and you can play so many builds ( in any build u are an off-healer with a treant that blocks doorways that essentially takes out people from the fights, especially good if used on an enemy cleric, cant heal his team has to kill it first ), you can play normal hybrid druid and help out with bear vs melees and panther silence for casters, healing bear with demonclads and nature touch dreamfire combo, can play full landmine bear ( where you yourself work kind of as a treant to block enemy team and get a pick off ), its just so much fun and i defo think you should give it a shot. Sorry for the extremely long rant but u did say at the ending u didnt mind em 😅
Thisnis the exact feedback im looking for my guy! Im planning on doing a follow up discussion aswell where i bring the comments perspectives into things aswell! Thanks so much for the insight tho bud!
Maybe if they replace the perk with something interesting i could agree! I do think we should have to at least put away our weapon to shapeshift instantly
I like the doors part but if you make everyone the same speed that would be awful, druids would just run the meta and agility would become a dead stat for almost everyone
@@tsgbadger6232 i mean when it comes to speed druids are uncontested anyway for consistent distance being able to morph instantly and jump through doors without losing momentum. If its that bad then every class has something to somewhat counter it like spells or perks.
it is truly depressing trying to boss then having a team rat or try to murder you on your way out. Then you murder them, another team swoops in. Vultures everywhere as they say. Cant even earn a living in peace.
I like to run around and do missions, get loot, fight bosses, but don't care to fight players. Always give them the chance to not fight, but will if they come after us. But yes, the ratting is the lamest shit ever. The Living Dungeon is one of the least fun additions to the game. I've had to kill the same person TWICE in the same match because they die, queue up, show back up in the same match, and run back to where they died. Literally killed the same guy within about 2 minutes. Also had the benefit of losing a fight, the other guy dies to another person that spawned in, I queue up, get back in the same match, and get to loot my own body. Like what?
i have 1500 hours i play every class my main build is slayer fighter or barbarian or some goofy build on another class where i build 50 dex with a big weapon and sprint at people, ive played every build and every class and they all have builds that was way over turned or are just straight up bullshit, warlocks curse of pain feels like it does way too much damage for the classes to also have get out of jail free card, (i dont particularly struggle with warlocks but im going to just list every class or play style that is just miserable to fight against) rogues using hide isnt fun to fight at all because invis mechanics are bullshit, imo there shouldn't be any form of invis in the game at all, delete the potions, the spells, the bard song, get rid of hide and rework rogues class because otherwise all they have is the mosquito build that's jus boring to play druids panther and bear forms arent a problem by themselves but they can just get out of combat whenever they want for the most part so if the druid makes a critical mistake, they dont die because of the instant transformations into rat, but if they get rid of that then the class feels unplayable(possible fix for this is making the transformations all jus take 0.25 or 0.3 seconds channel time or something so that you cant just rat form away for free after low) unless you are a rogue with poison stacks or a wizard who just fire ball spams or something like that you cant kill druids, most of the time they die when they turn into rats from dots barbarians have too much move sped for little downside, the class itself is a melee bruiser and by default will be oppressive in melee as it should for its role but there's no reason for me to have 220 hp and 330 ms with a weapon out, im fine with there being a magic tank that can just run down casters easier than any one else but their main weaknesses arent even really weaknesses because they are eliminated by just bringing in 30 stacks of throwing axes fighters have way too much move speed while in plate, its not fun fighting someone who is faster than you, can one shot you because longsword parry is way too strong and they can regen their max hp while fighting you with 50-75% pdr, ofc there's the rondel dagger build which is just irritating because of the fact that true damage exists but at least they get one tapped by wizards right? except if you wear two magic resist pieces you can have 50% mdr and 50% pdr which can go even higher depending on the stats on their shields (this is my main class and i think its unreasonable with some of the things fighters can do) the only issues with wizard is just how free magic missile spamming is and the bonk staff build where the wizard has just as much effective hp as a barbarian but they do crazy magic damage in melee the 2 shield they get from their ability and their perk prevent you from dealing headshot damage btw which is why that build is so strong in melee all shields like that from spells or potions do make it so even if you land a headshot it doesn't actually count as a headshot its registers as a body shot( this could have changed sometime recently but last wipe i tested this with some friends and found out out how potions of protection mess with hitboxes) rangers have the most aids set of abilities /tools ive ever had to fight against backstep is just dumb( the cooldown is super fast too), the shotgun skill (penta shot) is also very unfair to have just in general because even if the ranger makes a terrible mistake it doesn't matter because they have an "I win" button and you have to actually catch the ranger 3 times because they all run backstep as well as putting 30 hunting traps everywhere and sitting darkness with a windlass crossbow that just one taps most anyone its just not fun to fight, knowing you can be one tapped by some bs when you're in your 50k bis set and they spend 300g on a longbow and a windlass is very demoralizing. sorcerer spells are just over tuned and the biggest issue is the lightning bolt going through walls doors and shields etc all the classes have some broken unfair mechanic or build to them but in general you cant take the game too seriously, yea its frustrating but you cant let it ruin your day, week etc because you had some bad games or you got ratted 10 times in a row, if you aren't having fun with the game at all then just take a break and play something else or watch a show or a movie or something to get a fresh mindset when you come back
Can’t do boss content without preparing for three or more third parties, can’t do group content because anyone with a brain gets over the obtuse nature of the game so fast they don’t play anymore with me. Squire and 124 PvP is literally just barb and rangers arena, HR PvP is just third party central and the same three classes running lobbies.
I got 1500 hours and imo it’s simply the devs it’s the same story of Iron mace putting all their resources into something new ( multi classing, continuous dungeons, expressman,etc.) then they just scrap it They spend so much time on things that they end up scrapping and don’t work on balancing maps or adding perks or reworks no nothing And then on top of that the dark community just cries about everything (as i’m crying rn)
also Bruh NORMALS last season where u can go in with more than 125+ gear score was the most fun imo. and everyone was always going in with bis idk why they just remove it entirely
I think once all the maps are randomized it will be more tolerable. I think that's the primary reason crypts feels the way it does vs the other maps for bossing. It is extremely frustrating with high point of interest areas to continually get third partied. The active lobbies is a good thing imo, but the fact that everyone wants to go to the same areas and do the same things and CAN do so instantly (i.e. no map hiding/randomization) makes it feel very unfun. Basically, who can out rat who (and get RNG). Also no one wants to "have fun" because dying is so painful with a good kit for a lot of players. And HR is already full of fucking juicers and juicer RATS. FUCKING ROGUES BRO
I build a crazy bard kit do bosses, it costed me 8k gold. I got invise potted on my a full unique cleric full bis rolls approximately 30 to 40k gold. In trios it’s even worse. If u don’t play absolutely bissed out u fucked. We ran into a trio that had a bard with 200 hp, 50 pdr, 40 actionspeed, 9 true, 45percen damage bonus. His kit was atleast 4 to 6 skullkeys
Sadly I think this game has been going downhill for a long time. As a Wizard main I know the nerf pain very well and it sucks to have your class become irrelevant. I also think that a major problem is watching the devs waste time. Make changes then walk them back, make nerfs, then buffs, then nerfs again... Lastly I have had HUGE performance issues ever since the market place was introduced. I think that optimization is also really bad in this game. My set up can handle many other games that have better graphics and are bigger in nature yet can't handle the lobby in Datk and Darker. Eventually all the crashes, plus a bad game loop made me quit. I want to play Dark and Darker but I am just like the people you talk about. I come back for the season start, play for a couple weeks, then drop it because of all the bad design and boring new content.
barb with hatchet is bad, but it's not as bad as druid flying across the room insta transform mid air to bear then 1 to 2 taps you before you even have a chance to move away I disagree about the action speed its still way too high and damage is too high too, also sorc lightning bolt needs to be gone from the game
Ill say this, I do think the game is going into a positive direction. Im far too obsessed with the game and its for a reason! It reall scratcges a niche itch that ive wanted to scratch for eons. However! I think PvEvP is gonna be kinda a cesspool. And honestly I think it should be! It really emphasized the chaos of the genre and the win condition rat bastard playstyle of Ranger/Wizard/Rogue/etc. However to properly balance the desires of the playerbase. PVP focus should go into Arena though because of this they need to REALLY work on Arena. I want players to practice against other players at any level at any gear score anytime in arena. Mainly by really differenciating gear score similar to dungeons, cause as it stands it feels like Arena is a post game content only 800+ gear score builds get to even try arena. While new players with squire gear trying to get better at pvp get hardcore gear diffed. I want Arena to be PvP improvement/focus. To either focus exclusively on Arena play or to get better at Dungeon PvP. In that same breath I also very much think the opposite needs to be made. Somekind of exclusively PVE experience, maybe you ajd your team can only go squire gear and one perk. But as you progress in dungeons and continueously go deeper. Eventually ending into inferno to conclude the run and beat the litch king. This could be a place to cool off and not stress about PvP, learn the AI of the game, and maybe unlock new crazy builds that could never happen in normal dungeons, maybe some cool lore drops thay enhance what the marchants are saying. I feel like focusing and genuinely nurturing the Casual and competitive fanbases of DaD will be healthy for the game. It may seperate some of the playerbase but it will also have everyone improve at all aspects of play. As well as invite a healthy focused environment for whatever "side" of Dark and Darker you love the most! Be it the PvP, the PvE, or the intended PvEvP experience.
Good points bro! I know i was ranting in the video and that was the point but i should have taken a second to mention more of the positive things, cuz i do love this game and think its the most fun game out for me atm, i was just very fustrated
@@tsgbadger6232 and I dont blame you for your frusturations, the game is far from perfect and is very flawed, your "call to action" as it were was quite informative and put to words what alot of the community is feeling but couldnt express. I just felt like adding onto the conversations with potential solutions to those problems. Even if they too arent perfect.
Ur not entirely wrong but u are about a few major things. This games not meant for solos and thats proven by constant buffs and nerfs balanced around teamplay that utterly destroy the balance of solos. Its literal copium to think solos is anything more then small gold farming and mission rushing and that will just get worse and worse with continuous dungeons. Ppl ARE having fun by meta scumming amd being scummy because THATS WHAT GETS WINS and people hate losing an fighting at any disadvantage which is why ranged chip damage meta exists and why rogues dominate solos because they are the literal lowest risk free win class. Meta abuse is in every game ur not escaping that. Also its a bit dumb to say nobody wants to pvp when they second they hear any sound there is 5 teams rumbling in mid, what ur complaining about is LOSING the 1v5 in a mode thats considered irrelevent by the devs and have been quoted multiple times as say they want to remove solos and duos entirely if they could because of how little they care vs how many issues it causes and even had soft plans to start removing them starting with duos till the community threw a fit What u want from the game is not what the game is in reality Also revert panther nerf #panthergang
The balance in trios is abysmal aswell tho so you're entire arguement of the game not being balanced for solos is irrelevant to the conversation. No mode we can play is balanced in the slightest and all encourage ratting behavour, which is the problem i was trying to address
@@tsgbadger6232 its a hell of a lot more balanced then it is in solos, barb seems crazy op in solos but get shut down in trios by group aoe damage lack of ranged and counter tanks, rogue goes crazy in solos but is only good for holding bottlenecks in trios and for mosquitoing, ranger seems broken till he gets shot by a bard and a fighter and gets a fireball right to his camp spot, wizard is entirely balanced around having ppl to buy time for his hard casting, druid is only good for running away in solos and for joke bear memes on ppl too dumb to strafe but becomes a healing off dps nightmare to kill if given ppl to work around and off of etc etc for another 4 classes. The game is absolutely balanced around team play, ur confusing balance with stat checks and meta scumming which are all seperate issues with their own challenges to dealing with. U cant just "make the game fun again" by ur personal standards
They definitely need to do some serious work to their maps. And I'm not just talking props and decorations. Everything is a square which means there are like 8 doors in every square. i feel like you open more doors then do anything else in the game.
I don't know what server you're on but that's definitely not the case for the 3 regions I play on. You queue HR GC and you're just getting 60% of the lobby being chinese farmers rushing both bosses and teaming up to hit the piles/mine gold.
every time i died to a druid it was due to cat. more annoying is that so many just watch vids here that xyz is op and then suddenly you see that shit everywere, i cant remember seeing that many hatchet barbs ever... I dont play 225+ but havent that many problems in the smol hr.
pretty much every looter extraction game is going to be like that, when it comes to the player base population rising and declining at the start and end of wipes. just look at tarkov. with that being said i agree with everything you talk about in the video.
i also feel like ironmace has some good systems in the game they were just implemented like dogshit. they need to make use of the test servers way more often. instead of throwing it all into the main game and pissing people off. like day 1 and 2 of this wipe with sorc. like why wasnt the test server utilized for sorc like it was for druid?????. test server just exists for no reason at this point
I quit when multi classing first came out, just came back for season 5 and I can tell you I've never had as much fun as i do now, and haven't played high roller since I've been back. HR was always just chasing people endlessly, endless kiting, endless ranged, cancer. normals is where its at, ppl want to fight.
honestly for me at this point its funnier to complain about the game then playing it as a ranger i cannot compete VS speed/pdr barb and fighter and druid and sorceres to they insta kill me you can see that other then those classes they simply dont exits like you can se a ranger 1 mby 1 every 50 games on EU server hoping the nest to patches do something or the game is done
Im right at your point of realizing what this shitshow is. What's even the point, where's the f goal. The playing itself. I guess. 'cus nothing else really matters. I don't give even a 1 duck about hr anymore. Just few games in 0-25. Chase, do weird stuff, logout. Nothing really matters. It's to messy atm. And btw i love sorcs just taking 3/4 of my hp just beaming through walls. Great time.
Idk about risking gold against people with 700hrs on the game since I have 30 hrs on the game I get that this game is not supposed to have an mmr system but maybe it should to some point new player experience is shitty again it is kinda the nature of the game but some changes might make the game more appealing to more people anyways I usually run squire gear and search for pvp to practice since I don’t wanna risk gold without experience on pvp (I am generally not interested in pve) in my experience it is really hard to find pvp even in normals (I know the hotspots) I think there should be a pvp game mode like arenas but there should be 1v1’s and 2v2’s also there should be free gear to choose from and you should only be able to choose that gear, maybe an entrance fee and the winner gets all the fees but the game is not about that so maybe not unfortunately :(
@Prankd69 all things concidered having about 30k players on at all times for an early access game isnt bad at all, but the numbers are unstable and dropping kinda rapidly
It should have an MMR system. It is getting real tired real fast going up as a oh lets say bronze pvp player against diamond leaguers that take the field every time. I will never have those reflexes. When you once in a blue moon get fights that are about equal in skill expression it is so fun - most of the time you just get stomped. Getting old this game real fast. And that is 600 hrs talking.
@@Alagachak Bro if you've ever played any extraction shooter with MMR then you'd know it just doesn't work. You just get ghost lobbies because there's too many brackets/maps and the game doesn't have a definable win condition to which playerskill could be accurately measured. For your analogy, in terms of SBMM. League of Legends has ranked solo/duo and ranked flex. We both know flex is a joke and barely anyone queues for it, it's just ranked solo/duo. So it has one queue for ranked. League has roughly 950-1.1 million concurrent players at any one time, Dark and Darker has about 14,000. League has 1 ranked queue, Dark and Darker will have
Solo experience is every person who plays the game is ratting and will only fight in perfect conditions. And in trios it's all in fight under 30 seconds or 3rd party waiting. It's so stale
I'm dying of laughter watching this knowing I did a full perma hide rogue build and am taking ratting to an extreme. Nothing better than being the third party to loot the kill and run away !
@sperrex465 I just get to 40 or more resourcefulness, throw in a little bit of will and biff duration bonus. You can build perma hide for less than 500 gold.
@sideloves6443 i think every class has a niche they can fill well, but i think there is a pretty big discrepancy between some of them when i comes to combat effectiveness
If you ever get kited out as a barb you'll see why we have so much movespeed. Barb has 2 stats. AGI and Dex nothing else matters lol. Feast or famime. Its super demoralizing when barb is weak and theres almost nothing you can do to get on them and its super annoying for the rest of ya when barb is even slightly strong. So now we build all agi at all times.
Brother nah - I've mained Barb for the last 2 seasons and semi-mained since PT1 - Dex is 10000% insanely important but AGI is absolutely not a needed stat. I frequently run 285/295 ms with weapons away. Getting kited is not just you having no chance against ranged classes - everyone dies to ranged from time to time but you should NOT be getting kited as a barb my dude. You never push on ranged, and whilst if you get caught out in the open you can eat it and die, if you just refuse the kite and hang back completely, 99% of people get impatient and push on you and make mistakes and it's game over. You definitely don't speak for all Barbs saying Dex and AGI are vital when its Dex and Vig.
@@brissywink your avoiding getting kited is relying on othera getting annoyed with you not chasing them and thus they attack you in melee when yer still high hp. That pretty much proves my point, anyone that doesnt want to fight you can simply leave. I either hold up somewhere with good cover so they cant get free hits and they stupidly engage me at my best. Or we stare at each other awkwardly. Or I dive em and chase and we do Door and Doorer. Theres no reason for either of us to play the others game so fights are discouraged. (Except barbs are bloodthirsty and getting plinked at by range when yer trying to do other shit is annoying)
welcome to the past entire lifespan of the game playing wizard, has some of the most potential just for the devs to have the same basic combat and no actual fun spells, its just a magic ranger, im sorry but thats boring no one wants to play a wizard just to sling a million ice bolts and fireballs that more than likely will just get dodged by anyone that has a brain, the devs will then nerf shit or buff it ridiculously then say "oh we didnt foresee giving barb more damage, speed, health, pdr, mdr would make him that strong" i mean really, are we really this lost in the dev cycle to where you cant tell an obvious change will result in obvious outcomes?
mosquito bard is the most annoying class to fight in 1v1, I main fighter and i run crossbow and a longsword for most of the time and even with sprint i can't catch any runner and all they do is run away doorway after doorway and just shoot that effing survival bow that does next to no damage but when you disengage they run back after you yet they don't want a face to face fight... bro, grow a pair or just learn when to fight and when not to fight, and that goes to rogues and druids... ratting is the most annoying way to play this game and i don't know how people think this is fun way to play... just eh...
@@tsgbadger6232also at 16:00 u said for us to do exactly what I did with this comment, and now ur getting defensive. Im surprised u didnt mention cleric because thats whats actually busted right now but I play every class and barbarian is always free lunch
I miss when you could just stash gear and throw WHATEVER on and run HR but now it's 3 weeks into the game and everybody is GIGA juiced, people are flexing their half page of skull keys and named weapons. Everybody is just talking about getting super rich and i'm already over it. I'm chronically addicted but yet i find myself playing maybe a dozen games most a day. 4k hours since playtest 2 so ive been here since day 1 and yea the game just dosent feel good anymore.
Getting good gear has never been so easy with socketing system. 4k gold gets you very good kit. 1 wolf pelt is 800 gold. Troll pelt almost 10k. Stop whining bro
The biggest issue is that the average player is terrible at the game, which is difficult and requires time to master. Most people won’t excel at it, even after years of playing-take League as an example people are stuck in one rank for ages. I’m not sure if the developers are bad at the game themselves or if they simply listen to the majority of players, who are not skilled and have no idea what are they talking about.
You’re just being upset with the game. As a long time player with an open mind and a couple months off, this is the best the game has ever been. Gear score, not lobbies filled with naked rogues, everyone in your lobby should have gear on for the most part. You’re just upset with the game. Take a break and if you come back you’ll realize your issues are just based on a string of bad experiences and not everyone’s experience
saying this as a returning player as well: some of this is definitely colored by people grinding a game and not taking a break for a season or two. however, its true that continuous dungeon (and therefore blues/reds opening early) causes a LOT of this behavior. fight doesnt go in favor? just leave. someone doing boss? well, i cant do it, and i want that juicy troll pelt! so many will kill you then reset boss, and leave without even getting your gear. a lot of players in this game are just fundamentally bad at the game, so they dont take risks, they just go for the easiest path to get the most out of it, even if its as miserable to play as old landmine rogue. its equally a game design issue and a playerbase issue - both are colored towards cowardice rather than risk.
Cat druid was busted. Did too high of dps to be as tanky as it was. Nerf was deserved. Bear is indeed trash but your argument is the same argument for barbarian u literally gotta be dogshit to die to a barbarian
“Every play style that I die from means you are garbage and you are not having fun” “I am the only one allowed to get kills and anything stronger than me is broken”
It’s so fun standing and waiting for someone else to do the pve and then kill them when they’re done. It’s just so thrilling waiting for them to play the actual game while I stand around eating my own boogers until I can surprise them and take their stuff. Just so fun. Absolutely hilarious. Real knee-slapping-fun
i want rogue to be able to kill in high gs. His damage doesn't fix his fragility. If you build too tanky you cant kill. Also i think its about time bards get some serious nerfs like everyone else has gotten. Bards shriek is still completely debilitating. Also think that druid is impossible to play aggressively unless you are a panther build. This has gotten very lame as i love druid but cant push as anything without getting stat checked. Fighter, barb and cleric can build so tanky as soon as you start getting around the 120 gs range and still have enough dps output to kill the squishier classes on the laurels of very powerful abilities. Really and truly i think a lot of this imbalance comes from these abilities. Sprint and second wind are no brainers for every build on fighter. Smite and, or judgment for cleric. Buff roar, reckless attack and Achilles for barb. I think Some abilities should be split into two separate ones, or outright changed, and old unused abilities need some love or changes. At this point we need class reworks over new classes. At least for one season
@@coldcoder3138 i mean rogue just have move speed advantage, while being less than 140 health on 225+ gear unlike any other range like ranger, sorc, wizard, or warlock that have a long range advantage too, rogue just have hand crossbow that has a damage of less than 30. Rogue basically meaning they have to be careful on every aspect, need to at least take 70% of the opponent hp and then commit to the fight, while like bard already have the shriek weaknees and have a good advantage on range and melee combat. I'm not a rogue main but i see it like this, not their fault too they HAVE to be a rat to survive
Bro u really said 3rd parties are crazy look at any content creator; wow u mean the people who are literally streaming so of course theyre getting 3rd partied and sniped
Let’s talk about the w key barb with a hatchet and rage
It’s so fun to be a movespeed class at 325 in decent gear only to get put ran but a barbarian with his weapon out lmao
Play barb get kited then come back and tell us how it went.
Ps: make sure you max out agi or dont even bother
if youre getting kited as a barb you dont know how to build your gearset... its as simple as that!
barb and druid is ruining this game for me. Barb is ridiculous as it wins in all the benchmarks (healthiness, hits hardest, quickest, high pdr/mdr, cant be knockbacked) then druid is able to do the best of every class, cutthroat, movement, stealth, healing and escape. It's busted and this community is going to abuse it until IM does something about it
Honestly have 500 hours in the game mostly just fucking around with friends and going for areana gear. Been trying to learn warlord and spectral knight for the last few weeks, but has been impossible to do with how many griefers and rats that are around. Not saying it should be free to do, but it would be nice to actually get an attempt in
in my newer chat video i tried to open up for suggestion on how to fix bossing, some interesting ideas so far but its deff a tricky balance!
This is an example of this game isn't meant for solos and will never be meant for solos, and it was never intended to be.
the game launched with goblin caves being a solo only map, and some classes were designed to be better in solo envioirnments later on when they added the warlock and druid. I think they do design the game with solo play in mind but i bet its hard for them to find a balance for solo/group gameplay. I hope they figure something out soon though!
That's completely untrue and you misunderstand entirely. The game wants trio's to be the balanced the environment but that doesn't mean for a second they don't buff/nerf based on solo performance so long as it doesn't completely kill trio balance.
All of the landmine rogue changes were related to solo, all of the warlock TM nerfs were related to solo, all of the recent druid nerfs, solo, the 1.0 ranger nerfs, solo. This is just naming a couple off the top of my head, there's entire hotfixes worth of solo changes you can go through.
The game is absolutely intended for solo/duo and they continually make changes that make the game more accessible to solo's and duo's, they just don't let it impact trio balance heavily.
@@billybobbington11 This is the exact opposite of what Sdf and Terry outright said in their latest interview. They don't care about solos, they don't balance for it and they have been internally discussing removing it as it is their biggest regret.
@@saint_snow They can say whatever they want, the changes they make to the game proves otherwise, if they didn't care about solo's they wouldn't make any balance changes around it and they do, constantly, every single hotfix.
SDF/IM changes their direction/philosophy for the game every couple of weeks. If they didn't care about solo's, they would have been left with GC regular and never done a single bit more work on it. They wouldn't have done everything in their power to make the solo experience as close to equal to trio's as possible. They change boss abilities to make them more solo friendly, they changed the other maps to make it so solo's can play on them, they balance classes around solo interactions.
Actions speak louder than words ever will. They can regret doing it as much as they want it doesn't mean they aren't still constantly doing it.
@@billybobbington11 In what way is the solo experience remotely close to trios? And what balance changes have they made in regard to solos? They don't balance around solos at all, they have been adamant about this. The only time they changed a boss mechanic was the wyvern so that any party size can attempt it like any other boss. That's not catering to any specific party size.
I think what you’re seeing is the devs’ best effort to make the game appealing to the widest variety of the player base. They want gear easy to find, but still want gear to make a big difference in power level so it’s not meaningless to find. They want people to be able to PVP or to be able to rat around and avoid players, they want the dungeon to be scary and unknown but also want it to not be too unbalanced gear wise (gear brackets), and they want to keep new players playing instead of being scared off by veterans immediately. I think arena was their attempt to keep the hardcore PVP’rs happy with nothing but fights, and at the same time lessen the amount of Timmy stompers that used to run through dungeons. I think random dungeons make it less likely for ppl to get spawn rushed and makes third partying fights less common (crypts is currently the best map to actually fight because of this). They are addressing a lot of major problems that the game had prior to this season, and will address new problems as they occur. You’re really a complete noob to this game (less than 1000hrs) so you don’t know how amazing the game currently is compared to older seasons/playtests. They will fix most of these problems by randomising the other maps. As for the door closing thing, you’ve gotta just accept when someone doesn’t want to fight they will want to get away, not everyone is playing the game the exact same way, the devs have stated they want people to have different goals in the dungeon. However , I do think they could do more with making active live events happen in the dungeons to promote high traffic areas (such as showing a spot of the map to everyone and revealing a legendary+ drop will be guaranteed there or a loot goblin or something) Apex Legends had a cool way of doing this with Hot Drop zones which had better loot available in certain POI’s, a lot of creators have already suggested things like this so I’m sure the devs will be working on systems like it, also the loot goblin has already been datamined.
could add an automatic door closing mechanic, and take away endless matches for hr
Giga based video. 2.5K hours here and you ain't wrong my brother.
The game has ben designed to insentivise these types of behaviors. If loot was easier, and continuous spawning disabled it would be better. I also think that boss rooms should be locked once you enter until death or win.
personally i think loot is extremely easy to get this season but i agree with the rest, only issue with locking the boss room is finding out how to go about doing the locking, i bought it up in my follow up video to this one. just such a tricky thing to balance!
I'm up to like 200 hours and I'm having a lot of fun running squire kits. Every time I have attempted high roller it was a huge mistake. I don't know if I'll ever like high roller. Some of the builds are too ridiculous and I just get rushed immediately. I don't play druid but they're basically non-existent right now so I think they might have gone a little overboard with the nerf.
I’d say barbarian and rogue are a big problem especially when you consider how cheap their meta gear for w keying/ratting are compared to meta builds for all other classes. I honestly wish IM would just balance the game toward fast paced combat that’s enhanced by pve which rewards you for playing instead of sabotaging others
yeah the damn pve in this game could get a whole rant video on its own!
All the gear in the game is the cheapest it has ever been
Bro I am actually with you when you said "everyone who plays this is the lamest mofo" so true man so true.
@@MattPurcell-l1v me included!
I think the problem with ratting stems from the low barrier to entry for HR, specifically 224+ because honestly 125 feels pretty fair and I see significantly less rats, although fleeing fights is still an issue, I know what to expect on them. for 225+ there are 3 different results when you kill someone 1 they were naked and had a purple weapon in their inventory 2 their gear is trash, or 3 wearing BIS gear, purple weapon costs like 150 gold, with how bad inflation had gotten since PT1 that’s like 20 gold from season 1, it’s so easy to queue and people like the “zero to hero”, so you can either pay 150 gold for a chance at 20k gold or pay 20k gold for a chance at 150 gold, why even wear gear if you only see barbs and rat, honestly it’s a waste of time and resources to put them in the same lobby
I have been playing a lot of off-meta builds like no spell cleric warlock and crossbow only ranger, and the fights feel great until I run into a barbarian who either 1 taps me with a zwei or has 200 hp and 50% phys damage bonus on the best weapons in game, I think the number 1 thing they can do to fix the rat problem is to increase barrier to entry, maybe you need every slot of gear filled for 225 or gear that isn’t for your class doesn’t count for gear score, for the barbs and stuff I think they should either add a parry mechanic where if you block at the exact second the blade gets hit the enemy is staggered (adds more skill) or just make it so when you do block an attack there is a significant recoil on enemy swings, but that doesn’t really help classes that can’t block
@@lukevaillancourt4071to be honest that would just make Barbs totally wasted
@@lukevaillancourt4071 barb doesnt need a nerf.
Please just go play it and get yourself kited across 4 modules.
You people dying to barbs are taking shitty fights in low gear score lobbies. Thats it.
Every one of you should be capable of either leaving, being better in melee, or poking them down.
Ffs barbs have the slowest and easiest blocked/dodged attacks.
YOU COULD PLAY HIGH PDR RONDEL WITH A BOARD AND CRUSH HARDER.
In my opinion, this game would be way better if either of these two things were true:
You can open and close doors instantly, regular interaction no longer increases door opening just every single class can open doors like a normal human.
Or all the maps reworked to where the modules connect it would be more open, and little to no doors
Or let's say they should remove some pathways to make the maps more maze-like. So you can't go straight across in any direction
i would suggest make closing door way slower, so that much running is not an option. This will affect rangers greatly though
@@aleshkan2966I wouldn’t agree, I main ranger this season, I would say ranger is the strongest class right now both solo and trio.
If you play arena regularly, you will find that most of the time, the ranger in your team deals the most damage. Sometimes I hit zero headshots and still deal more damage than the rest of my teammates combine.
I don’t really use doors unless it’s trio, I am the one usually opening the doors, if you bring impact shot and triple shot, you don’t need doors.
By the way, sorcerer should be the most broken class right now, and only ranger have the long range burst to counter the sorcerer’s aim lock, wall penetrating, slowing, and takes more than half of your health lightning. So that makes ranger the strongest.
4k plus hour solo player here, you are correct and valid here. Thanks for making it
I speak for the gamers! 🫡
feel the same, i have played 100 hours since today so i am still a big noob, but the fame 500 + even 700+ are all in sub 24 to kill timmy's and grind bosses, in a week time i have spammed goblin cave to learn the bosses, there always dead or being taken by high level players, i had 1 game i got a free cyclops i managed to kill it to, then got 3rd party'd by 2 groups, after 100 hours i still dont know how to kill the bosses, since i get no oppertuniity to learn
continuous spawns ruin goblin caves for me plus the loot nerf to the gob cave bosses makes it a waste land for me to even look at
Barb is a powerful, cheap, low skill floor class that is incredibly frustrating to play against, but it’s not the most broken class in the game. The best players in this game play things like Bard, Druid, Sorc, Cleric, and Fighter, if Barb were that good they’d play him.
No one good plays fighter because it’s meta lmao
@@bw9382I agreed, fighters are just a little bit better than barbs, it’s still pretty limited in terms of what they can do
@@Aatrox_Darkin Little better? Fucking fighter just leftclick spam any barb, just because thanks to massive pdr, fighter bursting two handed barb with fucking falchion.
Just yesterday Ive seen couple of times how rubysilver fighter wiped entire enemy team in arena solo, because of massive pdr and self heal. This shit should be nerfed.
Barbs are what noobs cry about in low gear score.
Instant noob take.
Barb is the easiest to counterplay and 1 dimensional. Everyone knows exactly what to do and if you die to barb he almost certainly outskilled you with the footsies. Beat you with fundementals.
yeah the class with 180 health 315 move speed and 60 damage a hit(before pressing rage) is deff not at all unbalanced... average barb player IQ
The addition of solos, coupled with the already annoying highroller culture that has been there since the tests is what you're experiencing. Gear over fights and pussyfooting because the gear matters too much.
If you removed solos and duos and went back to all party sizes together with the circle then it doesn't matter. Ratting can be done but it's harder bc there's a circle forcing movement through the map and if you're alone you have to play a lot more tactically. Teaming doesn't matter because for example, if a solo and solo just decide to team then they become a pseudo "duo" in the moment.
Best part is, Ironmace knew this, already internally tested all this, told the community many times anytime it was brought up why they used random portals, why they had the circle and why they wanted all party sizes together in one queue and didn't want to add solos (duos wasn't even remotely a talking point yet). And yet they still flaked and now here we are over two years later and Terry and Sdf have not only been mentioning removing solos and such but outright said in the most recent dev interview that their biggest regret was adding it in the first place and have been internally discussing removing it. I genuinely hope they do, I miss the Ironmace that stuck to their guns with their idea for the game. The continuous system doesn't work well and if you want to remove map rotation while having fast games, you gotta remove the queues. Old dark and darker with the circle, random portals and all party sizes in one queue was king and its a fact.
ah so you want us to go back to sub 7k players?
i started playing again because they added solos. I it useless to play solo against triples
@@aleshkan2966 you started playing again because they added solos?? They added solos to the game over two years ago on the third PLAYTEST when you could play the game for less than a week?
@@colekennedy8041 No i want the game to go back to 80-100k when it didn't have solos and had the circle and random portals. When Ironmace had their direction and stuck to it instead of flaking and flip-flopping. When the overall community sentiment for the game was overwhelmingly positive even though we could only play the game for a week and some change each month.
@@aleshkan2966 You could play as a solo just fine in every playtest, even after they added solos. People didn't even like solos when it came out. Players considered it "not the actual game" and just played crypts like before. This is all well documented through old Q and A's as well as many youtube videos and reddit posts back then. The overall sentiment was against it. Playing solo became more and more difficult as they started to widen the gear gap and remove core functions like the portals and circle that Sdf and Terry themselves said they used as tools to create a game that could facilitate all party sizes together.
Its a weird phenomenon, people dont like to admit it cuz "muh hardcore" or "this isnt fortnite" or whatever but most issues I see alot of people complain about is solved with higher time to kill and diminishing survivability and sustain as fights go on via armor break or recoverable health mechanics, anything. The issue is they nerf these "unique" builds because now its that build vs other people that cant just one tap but they are still getting one tapped themselves? Yes the games core mechanics would probably havw to drastically change but that would be amazing.
Its taboo to think about because the one time cleric wiz barb was buff ball meta and no other classes had buffs to keep up. But every single time without fail they start trying to make time to kill lower the game gets worse by exponents. If sdf was serious about this being the way they are staying the game is doomed.
Its Infuriating to have no chance of outplay, less satisfaction for everyone that is the first one to left click other than a few psychos with tiny egos, more boring youtube/twitch content etc. If it was higher TTK it would be way easier to balance, less gear fear so people bring in better kits too so kills are more rewarding. NOT TO MENTION they could actually let classes do unique things again, druid can do druid stuff, barb can be a self healing monster, rogue can be a hit and run invising poisoning psycho, you name it. Also lets them have more difficult, dynamic pve.
Ttk is the single most deciding factor on fun or not for people in any pvp game wether you want to admit it or not, let alone in an extraction game like dark and darker. Absolutely no one in their sane, right, mind wants to get jumped by someone standing completely still in a corner for 5 minutes with no chance of outplay because they got the first hit, and then lose thousands of gold for a kit potentially.
"perma fights" and whatever can easily be solved tens of ways without making everyone 1/2/3 hittable, i dont care how hardcore or realistic you want your game to feel, people need time to react to landmine and rats or it will never ever be fun. This is the same reason barb is so broken soley because he can last an extra hit or 2 than most classes but 2 tap everyone else. hmmmm how about that??
I am, and will always be, of the opinion that longer time to kills are almost always better in ANY pvp game but ESPECIALLY a game like dark and darker. This in combination with a more random, and larger map, would make the game legendary. its fantasy, not hostage siege simulator where you are a fragile human against fast flying lead chunks. game should be about resource management in your trek through the dungeon.
Tl:dr, increse time to kill and let people have the opportunity to outplay (nullyfying instant landmine) and more people will be willing to take fights via other advantages(because they wont get landmined themselves).
people want to be able to see gold go up, so they will do what makes gold go up.
2nd tldr, if you know how v rising pvp works This game needs to do that lol.
rambly comment incoming
I have a similar playtime and experience with the game as you. When i tried playing HR this season the sub 224 bracket was just full of rogues with + true damage and +max health on everything making it borderline unplayable unless you had some similarly meta build, and i here i was thinking people would go there to loot pve and fight without too much worry for expensive gear. I think one of the coolest concepts introduced recently is finding and crafting your own set to fight people in arenas with because i feel like that's in the spirit of what i want from the game. Some of the most fun I've had this season is just running at people in low roller with a friend. A lot of recent changes to the game are really good but the core issues of ratting and a very narrow meta have been around since the play tests. Any change that upsets the status quo is swiftly reverted - the devs seem to value ratting, and reward playing like a scumbag. It makes me wonder if they play the same game i do, because it feels awful. I feel like some of the aspects of this game are conceptually bad but I'm not smart enough to know how they should address it or if they even can anymore.
Bruh I’ve been playing about 3k hours but yeah you hit it right on the money.
I'm glad to see a lot of others feel the same!
Continuous dungeon has made every bad aspect of the game worse, 3K hours and I’m begging for another game to take over.
i actually have been really enjoying this wipe. i love sorcerer although it's kinda OP right now. the design of the class is really cool and it plays really well, has a high skill ceiling aswell. also, i personally really love the continues dungeon system and reds and blues spawning early is so nice. i have just really been enjoying the wipe. although i do hate Barbarians and Druid. i have not been having many frustrations this wipe, just chilling , questing, making money, bossing, pvping. so fun.
Ayo GronnorKekMeggor here, was a nice encounter we had today.
What a coincidence that i get ur vid reccomended
Were you the gamer that hid my slayer kit after that rat ruined our 1v1??
@@tsgbadger6232yes
Killed Ghost King the other day and i swear to god as soon as he died 3 doors opened and 9 dudes flooded into the room and killed each other while me and my friend looted GK and dipped.. shit was wild.
Every time lol
Feel like the ratting issue really stems from massive differences in gear allowed in HR. Mostly playing low roller these days cus you get a lot of PVP that feels good imo
@@Nachos413 yes i took the time to actually run some 124 lobbies this week and the pvp was really refreshing there
solutions? Agree on the door part, the rat playstyles, desagree about druids panther form but np. What could they do? Randomise map takes time, mabe it will help
ye when all the maps are random it should help a lot.
Lock the boss room, remove invisibility, fix parry, done.
Make doors longer to close for one
@terrellsdoomed door and doorer
Bro i totally agree, i play duos and solos only as a cleric. Now dont get me wrong clerics are apart of the problem with their sustain but at this point theyre nowhere as good as they use to be. And the issue of fighting and then fucking rogues just coming out of the woodworks just to bumfuck me because ive fought off another 20 rogues is pissing me the fuck off. God forbid i fight a boss, becuase right after i beat the boss some 20 odd rogues pop out the ground. And cleric being so slow its such a piss take trying to chase. If i hit a judgment i thank god and i clobber their skulls but if i dont then i might aswell give the chase up. I do agree that they need to insetivise fights. Actual fights with a fun meta. I really like what they did at the start of the season. I loved the fuck out of it but now sort the pvp out
brother, i feel your pain…
just basic frocking SDF playing 1-2 hours in a week isn’t healthy for the game to make huge steps in the direction of developing
they doesn’t feel limits of having fun being destroyed by adding stupid things like unlimited enemies spawning in the first half time of the map, removing expressman, which brought INSANE fun of not having to get out of the game because you got fucking skulls and shit for the quest or even some good items from PVP. you have to reset the match, which i don’t think is funny
i predicted before the wipe, that they’re going to destroy boss farming cuz of that. i’ll better pve and pvp for 30 mins just to have the ability to fucking kill the boss alone in peace and harmony then to fight 123 teams rushing in to get lil piece of cheese..
i killed almost 40-50 warlords and lichs (norms and hr variations) and 40 ghost kings and i haven’t had even ONE time to just farm pile and leave. every time someone rushes in. like i don’t even need to fight because I DON’T HAVE SPACE IN THE INVENTORY….
i truly understand your frustration, our reasons may differ, but in the end we feel same disappointment for the state of the game. and the saddest part is that they’re not capable of creating any solutions for these problems, because everything they do - just makes game for laggy and shitty.
we did not get any update for this week, despite the fact that the game literally cries for it
i got you a long-read, but i just can’t hold this anymore, i’m losing interest in a game that i spent more than 2k hours from having heaven fun and enjoyment to losing my mind to not having fucking working ladders (for almost 1 year), quivers (from the early access release, almost 2 years) and the list just goes on and on…
hope to see new vids from you and maybe some miracle, that will wake the dev team up to solve all the problems.
I plan to keep uploading dark and darker content, hopefully i can make a difference for you brother!
As a new player with 400 hours, ive learned the basics of the game and almost got demigod my 1st season(4). I probably have 200hrs in sub 25 and even there the experience is almost the exact same. maybe with less druids, but with barbs who are stat checking you in squire gear, but def rogues.
demigod doesn't mean anything.
@@kingelite7617 within the context of the video and what is being talked about it does. Im a new player with roughly 50/50 in hr and low lobbies. stop being a toxic pessimistic andy for no reason and adding to the negative vibe surrounding the community. your comment doesnt mean anything.
@@jordanhow123punch Not trying to be toxic. Just saying many people think demigod means something. All it means is you looted chests and ran away from fights
@@kingelite7617 in my experience i never strayed from a fight. maybe in the early hours. but if i have to fight i fight. the game is a looter. and in order to get demigod you have to survive. so it means i did pvp to maintain rank.
@@kingelite7617 you are being toxic. if you dont see how youre being toxic right now then you need help.
I feel your frustration brother. Ratting is out of control rn and it kills the fun in the game. People seem to care more about gear than having fun engaging pvp.
I'm hoping it's just because its early wipe and people are broke :/ maybe it will get better in the coming weeks as people get more established?
I want to have fun crawling around a dungeon finding loot with a chance there might be pvp - not a deathmatch where everyone rushes like fools - Make Crawling Great Again.
@@Alagachaklol that’s called ratting lmao
Ratting is a lot of fun brother.
people play solo HR to farm arena mint gear, trios and duos has people actually playing the game instead of avoiding danger
I get it bro, bard has no skills and very few good perks. Door and doorer while they are waiting for you to kill the boss to push you right after
"Guys lets make it so players infinitely spawn in for 5 minutes". So braindead
Welcome to the extraction genre, where rats thrive
As a fighter main, I've loved this season.
I'm a very new player, complete noob, but I've been hooked I played like 150hrs and have 8/10 classes at 30+ level. But I'm getting completely destroyed by "rats" all the time every map every format as well, and I really wish there was a server for 40+ year old people lol. People with low DEX and some kind of courtesy and wisdom. It's tiring getting chain stomped by bored kids all day long. I just want to explore the game and dig deeper at the PvE content at my own pace, with some PvP here and there. I play at 24GS maps just to finish some quests and learn the maps and i get obliterated by naked rogues who kill me for absolutely no gain and no apparent reason, just roaming around to kill everyone because... idk... because this is the game? I must admit I'm not sure I understand either. They get instant satisfaction from the kill, and then they rinse & repeat. While I'm chain joining games at 24GS just to get +1 here and there on my quest objectives, hoping to learn one skill at a time, slowly but surely... I'm still having fun atm, but I think that will fade soon heh. I hope they add a more PvE-friendly format in the future, or a format for people who don't want to instant kill on sight every other player every time they cross path, otherwise i'm cooked.
Landmine rogue made me stop playing, even high pdr builds just get melted by it and its so easy to sit outside a boss room door waiting for players to come out for any given reason and kill them fast af before they get chance to react
I totally hear you brother. big chunks of this game totally suck -- and those cracks don't really start showing until the 500+ hour mark (so right about where you're at haha). IM lacks design skill, technical proficiency, & courage/conviction. also most players generally suck & will take the path of least resistance, leading to artless meta humping and all the worst parts of this game getting abused for maximum PvP advantage. but keep sharing your thoughts please, because I think you see the situation clearly and it's good to have more people talking honestly about how the game needs to change to save itself :) good luck in 2025!!
1.5k hour player here, listened to the whole thing and i rly dont think ur delusional but feel like ur frustrated and not looking at the bigger picture here, i'll go ahead and say this first before adressing the points you made, i've been a solo/duo player for most of my hours and the last couple hundred or a bit more, mostly this wipe, i've been transitioning to trios, and have been having way more fun, me and 2 friends spent the longest time trying to figure out a comp that works for us and we ended up finding it and we're having alot of fun adapting to diff matchups, plus the game are not rock paper scissors anymore, and this to say that i see it now tbh, game cannot be and is currently not balanced around solos and duos.
Like for an example, the door problem that is oh so real in solos and maybe duos i've found it to be way way less of an issue on trios, too many people to coordinate perhaps, more ways to break doors and people are generally more willing to take a fight. But if trios are not possible then if ur looking for pvp, prob gc is the best choice, i see you play barb so maybe take crush and chase, i know it wont solve the problem but it should make it more bearable. Also the 224 bracket people seem to be way more willing to fight aswell due to the minmaxing of kits there and they generally think that they're stronger than every1 else. Plus if you lose the fight you aint even spend that much and you got decent pvp out of it.
On the classes you see on the dungeon for an example, i remember rondelion fighter being absolutely dummy strong for the longest time, havent seen one in trios, 2 gazillion hp barb is still very prominent but with 2 other people on the team hes not that much of an issue, plus the comps i see are almost all different.
I do agree with the continuous dungeon and 3rd party issue but i do believe that when the maps are all randomized and have fog of war then that problem might be solved a lil bit.
And just to close it out, the druid pdr nerf was most defo needed ( saying this as a druid main aswell ), druids were annihilating 224 lobbies, they could just grab a full purple kit with grey weps, slot it all with max hp and pdr and they were extremely hard to kill, alot of the big content creators were playing it and they were expecting a nerf to that exactly, and this is more or less was where my turnover to trios started too because druid is EXCEPTIONAL in trios and you can play so many builds ( in any build u are an off-healer with a treant that blocks doorways that essentially takes out people from the fights, especially good if used on an enemy cleric, cant heal his team has to kill it first ), you can play normal hybrid druid and help out with bear vs melees and panther silence for casters, healing bear with demonclads and nature touch dreamfire combo, can play full landmine bear ( where you yourself work kind of as a treant to block enemy team and get a pick off ), its just so much fun and i defo think you should give it a shot.
Sorry for the extremely long rant but u did say at the ending u didnt mind em 😅
Thisnis the exact feedback im looking for my guy! Im planning on doing a follow up discussion aswell where i bring the comments perspectives into things aswell! Thanks so much for the insight tho bud!
*druid instant shapeshift should still be nerfed*
Maybe if they replace the perk with something interesting i could agree! I do think we should have to at least put away our weapon to shapeshift instantly
@@tsgbadger6232 druid is still more broken than barb, any 30+ str druid can easily kill any class with few bear hits, druid needs damage nerf too.
Nerf bard and barb take away invisibility from rogue no more hunting traps for rangers honestly just make the time to kill longer but I am with you
Make everyone have same move speed and make doors open as quick as they are shut.
I like the doors part but if you make everyone the same speed that would be awful, druids would just run the meta and agility would become a dead stat for almost everyone
@@tsgbadger6232 i mean when it comes to speed druids are uncontested anyway for consistent distance being able to morph instantly and jump through doors without losing momentum.
If its that bad then every class has something to somewhat counter it like spells or perks.
it is truly depressing trying to boss then having a team rat or try to murder you on your way out. Then you murder them, another team swoops in. Vultures everywhere as they say. Cant even earn a living in peace.
I like to run around and do missions, get loot, fight bosses, but don't care to fight players. Always give them the chance to not fight, but will if they come after us. But yes, the ratting is the lamest shit ever. The Living Dungeon is one of the least fun additions to the game. I've had to kill the same person TWICE in the same match because they die, queue up, show back up in the same match, and run back to where they died. Literally killed the same guy within about 2 minutes.
Also had the benefit of losing a fight, the other guy dies to another person that spawned in, I queue up, get back in the same match, and get to loot my own body. Like what?
i have 1500 hours i play every class my main build is slayer fighter or barbarian or some goofy build on another class where i build 50 dex with a big weapon and sprint at people, ive played every build and every class and they all have builds that was way over turned or are just straight up bullshit, warlocks curse of pain feels like it does way too much damage for the classes to also have get out of jail free card, (i dont particularly struggle with warlocks but im going to just list every class or play style that is just miserable to fight against)
rogues using hide isnt fun to fight at all because invis mechanics are bullshit, imo there shouldn't be any form of invis in the game at all, delete the potions, the spells, the bard song, get rid of hide and rework rogues class because otherwise all they have is the mosquito build that's jus boring to play
druids panther and bear forms arent a problem by themselves but they can just get out of combat whenever they want for the most part so if the druid makes a critical mistake, they dont die because of the instant transformations into rat, but if they get rid of that then the class feels unplayable(possible fix for this is making the transformations all jus take 0.25 or 0.3 seconds channel time or something so that you cant just rat form away for free after low) unless you are a rogue with poison stacks or a wizard who just fire ball spams or something like that you cant kill druids, most of the time they die when they turn into rats from dots
barbarians have too much move sped for little downside, the class itself is a melee bruiser and by default will be oppressive in melee as it should for its role but there's no reason for me to have 220 hp and 330 ms with a weapon out, im fine with there being a magic tank that can just run down casters easier than any one else but their main weaknesses arent even really weaknesses because they are eliminated by just bringing in 30 stacks of throwing axes
fighters have way too much move speed while in plate, its not fun fighting someone who is faster than you, can one shot you because longsword parry is way too strong and they can regen their max hp while fighting you with 50-75% pdr, ofc there's the rondel dagger build which is just irritating because of the fact that true damage exists but at least they get one tapped by wizards right? except if you wear two magic resist pieces you can have 50% mdr and 50% pdr which can go even higher depending on the stats on their shields (this is my main class and i think its unreasonable with some of the things fighters can do)
the only issues with wizard is just how free magic missile spamming is and the bonk staff build where the wizard has just as much effective hp as a barbarian but they do crazy magic damage in melee the 2 shield they get from their ability and their perk prevent you from dealing headshot damage btw which is why that build is so strong in melee all shields like that from spells or potions do make it so even if you land a headshot it doesn't actually count as a headshot its registers as a body shot( this could have changed sometime recently but last wipe i tested this with some friends and found out out how potions of protection mess with hitboxes)
rangers have the most aids set of abilities /tools ive ever had to fight against backstep is just dumb( the cooldown is super fast too), the shotgun skill (penta shot) is also very unfair to have just in general because even if the ranger makes a terrible mistake it doesn't matter because they have an "I win" button and you have to actually catch the ranger 3 times because they all run backstep as well as putting 30 hunting traps everywhere and sitting darkness with a windlass crossbow that just one taps most anyone its just not fun to fight, knowing you can be one tapped by some bs when you're in your 50k bis set and they spend 300g on a longbow and a windlass is very demoralizing.
sorcerer spells are just over tuned and the biggest issue is the lightning bolt going through walls doors and shields etc
all the classes have some broken unfair mechanic or build to them but in general you cant take the game too seriously, yea its frustrating but you cant let it ruin your day, week etc because you had some bad games or you got ratted 10 times in a row, if you aren't having fun with the game at all then just take a break and play something else or watch a show or a movie or something to get a fresh mindset when you come back
Can’t do boss content without preparing for three or more third parties, can’t do group content because anyone with a brain gets over the obtuse nature of the game so fast they don’t play anymore with me. Squire and 124 PvP is literally just barb and rangers arena, HR PvP is just third party central and the same three classes running lobbies.
I got 1500 hours and imo it’s simply the devs
it’s the same story of Iron mace putting all their resources into something new ( multi classing, continuous dungeons, expressman,etc.) then they just scrap it
They spend so much time on things that they end up scrapping and don’t work on balancing maps or adding perks or reworks no nothing
And then on top of that the dark community just cries about everything (as i’m crying rn)
also Bruh NORMALS last season where u can go in with more than 125+ gear score was the most fun imo. and everyone was always going in with bis
idk why they just remove it entirely
Barb is not most broken, thats sorc/bard/rogue (only when you get land mined) warlock is also insanely strong in solos
perhaps my barb hate was a little over the top :p
@tsgbadger6232 yea a little, buuuut you do have a point it is insanely strong and the amount of third partying is ridiculous
I think once all the maps are randomized it will be more tolerable. I think that's the primary reason crypts feels the way it does vs the other maps for bossing.
It is extremely frustrating with high point of interest areas to continually get third partied.
The active lobbies is a good thing imo, but the fact that everyone wants to go to the same areas and do the same things and CAN do so instantly (i.e. no map hiding/randomization) makes it feel very unfun. Basically, who can out rat who (and get RNG).
Also no one wants to "have fun" because dying is so painful with a good kit for a lot of players. And HR is already full of fucking juicers and juicer RATS.
FUCKING ROGUES BRO
I build a crazy bard kit do bosses, it costed me 8k gold. I got invise potted on my a full unique cleric full bis rolls approximately 30 to 40k gold. In trios it’s even worse. If u don’t play absolutely bissed out u fucked. We ran into a trio that had a bard with 200 hp, 50 pdr, 40 actionspeed, 9 true, 45percen damage bonus. His kit was atleast 4 to 6 skullkeys
Sadly I think this game has been going downhill for a long time. As a Wizard main I know the nerf pain very well and it sucks to have your class become irrelevant. I also think that a major problem is watching the devs waste time. Make changes then walk them back, make nerfs, then buffs, then nerfs again...
Lastly I have had HUGE performance issues ever since the market place was introduced. I think that optimization is also really bad in this game. My set up can handle many other games that have better graphics and are bigger in nature yet can't handle the lobby in Datk and Darker. Eventually all the crashes, plus a bad game loop made me quit.
I want to play Dark and Darker but I am just like the people you talk about. I come back for the season start, play for a couple weeks, then drop it because of all the bad design and boring new content.
barb with hatchet is bad, but it's not as bad as druid flying across the room insta transform mid air to bear then 1 to 2 taps you before you even have a chance to move away I disagree about the action speed its still way too high and damage is too high too, also sorc lightning bolt needs to be gone from the game
Ill say this, I do think the game is going into a positive direction. Im far too obsessed with the game and its for a reason! It reall scratcges a niche itch that ive wanted to scratch for eons. However!
I think PvEvP is gonna be kinda a cesspool. And honestly I think it should be! It really emphasized the chaos of the genre and the win condition rat bastard playstyle of Ranger/Wizard/Rogue/etc. However to properly balance the desires of the playerbase. PVP focus should go into Arena though because of this they need to REALLY work on Arena. I want players to practice against other players at any level at any gear score anytime in arena. Mainly by really differenciating gear score similar to dungeons, cause as it stands it feels like Arena is a post game content only 800+ gear score builds get to even try arena. While new players with squire gear trying to get better at pvp get hardcore gear diffed. I want Arena to be PvP improvement/focus. To either focus exclusively on Arena play or to get better at Dungeon PvP.
In that same breath I also very much think the opposite needs to be made. Somekind of exclusively PVE experience, maybe you ajd your team can only go squire gear and one perk. But as you progress in dungeons and continueously go deeper. Eventually ending into inferno to conclude the run and beat the litch king. This could be a place to cool off and not stress about PvP, learn the AI of the game, and maybe unlock new crazy builds that could never happen in normal dungeons, maybe some cool lore drops thay enhance what the marchants are saying.
I feel like focusing and genuinely nurturing the Casual and competitive fanbases of DaD will be healthy for the game. It may seperate some of the playerbase but it will also have everyone improve at all aspects of play. As well as invite a healthy focused environment for whatever "side" of Dark and Darker you love the most! Be it the PvP, the PvE, or the intended PvEvP experience.
Good points bro! I know i was ranting in the video and that was the point but i should have taken a second to mention more of the positive things, cuz i do love this game and think its the most fun game out for me atm, i was just very fustrated
@@tsgbadger6232 and I dont blame you for your frusturations, the game is far from perfect and is very flawed, your "call to action" as it were was quite informative and put to words what alot of the community is feeling but couldnt express. I just felt like adding onto the conversations with potential solutions to those problems. Even if they too arent perfect.
@Mond0o0 couldnt have said it better myself! Even though i face some fustrations with the game I'm still queing up every day!
Ur not entirely wrong but u are about a few major things. This games not meant for solos and thats proven by constant buffs and nerfs balanced around teamplay that utterly destroy the balance of solos. Its literal copium to think solos is anything more then small gold farming and mission rushing and that will just get worse and worse with continuous dungeons.
Ppl ARE having fun by meta scumming amd being scummy because THATS WHAT GETS WINS and people hate losing an fighting at any disadvantage which is why ranged chip damage meta exists and why rogues dominate solos because they are the literal lowest risk free win class. Meta abuse is in every game ur not escaping that.
Also its a bit dumb to say nobody wants to pvp when they second they hear any sound there is 5 teams rumbling in mid, what ur complaining about is LOSING the 1v5 in a mode thats considered irrelevent by the devs and have been quoted multiple times as say they want to remove solos and duos entirely if they could because of how little they care vs how many issues it causes and even had soft plans to start removing them starting with duos till the community threw a fit
What u want from the game is not what the game is in reality
Also revert panther nerf #panthergang
The balance in trios is abysmal aswell tho so you're entire arguement of the game not being balanced for solos is irrelevant to the conversation. No mode we can play is balanced in the slightest and all encourage ratting behavour, which is the problem i was trying to address
@@tsgbadger6232 its a hell of a lot more balanced then it is in solos, barb seems crazy op in solos but get shut down in trios by group aoe damage lack of ranged and counter tanks, rogue goes crazy in solos but is only good for holding bottlenecks in trios and for mosquitoing, ranger seems broken till he gets shot by a bard and a fighter and gets a fireball right to his camp spot, wizard is entirely balanced around having ppl to buy time for his hard casting, druid is only good for running away in solos and for joke bear memes on ppl too dumb to strafe but becomes a healing off dps nightmare to kill if given ppl to work around and off of etc etc for another 4 classes.
The game is absolutely balanced around team play, ur confusing balance with stat checks and meta scumming which are all seperate issues with their own challenges to dealing with. U cant just "make the game fun again" by ur personal standards
@cloudedfire7932 the overwelming majority say the opposite you do bud..
so many barbs atm it's insane
They definitely need to do some serious work to their maps. And I'm not just talking props and decorations. Everything is a square which means there are like 8 doors in every square. i feel like you open more doors then do anything else in the game.
Door and doorer
Solos gc high roller is basically only people looking for pvp. You should try that map it’s pretty fun to fight in
I love goblin caves but its just rat central these days! Though doesnt stop me from throwing my kits at it!
I don't know what server you're on but that's definitely not the case for the 3 regions I play on. You queue HR GC and you're just getting 60% of the lobby being chinese farmers rushing both bosses and teaming up to hit the piles/mine gold.
every time i died to a druid it was due to cat. more annoying is that so many just watch vids here that xyz is op and then suddenly you see that shit everywere, i cant remember seeing that many hatchet barbs ever... I dont play 225+ but havent that many problems in the smol hr.
Idk how to tell you but if a barb dies to a cat that barb needs to turn on their monitor
pretty much every looter extraction game is going to be like that, when it comes to the player base population rising and declining at the start and end of wipes. just look at tarkov. with that being said i agree with everything you talk about in the video.
Thats a good point! I tried not to focus too hard on the numbers concidering its still early access and what not
i also feel like ironmace has some good systems in the game they were just implemented like dogshit. they need to make use of the test servers way more often. instead of throwing it all into the main game and pissing people off. like day 1 and 2 of this wipe with sorc. like why wasnt the test server utilized for sorc like it was for druid?????. test server just exists for no reason at this point
I quit when multi classing first came out, just came back for season 5 and I can tell you I've never had as much fun as i do now, and haven't played high roller since I've been back. HR was always just chasing people endlessly, endless kiting, endless ranged, cancer. normals is where its at, ppl want to fight.
even though I was ranting in this video I am still having a lot of fun this season!
honestly for me at this point its funnier to complain about the game then playing it as a ranger i cannot compete VS speed/pdr barb and fighter and druid and sorceres to they insta kill me you can see that other then those classes they simply dont exits like you can se a ranger 1 mby 1 every 50 games on EU server hoping the nest to patches do something or the game is done
They did totally ruin druid. But, now instead of a 3k kit, you can use a 17k kit to achieve old base druid stats lol
Buff cats!!😺
Im right at your point of realizing what this shitshow is. What's even the point, where's the f goal. The playing itself. I guess. 'cus nothing else really matters. I don't give even a 1 duck about hr anymore. Just few games in 0-25. Chase, do weird stuff, logout. Nothing really matters. It's to messy atm. And btw i love sorcs just taking 3/4 of my hp just beaming through walls. Great time.
100% accurate
Idk about risking gold against people with 700hrs on the game since I have 30 hrs on the game I get that this game is not supposed to have an mmr system but maybe it should to some point new player experience is shitty again it is kinda the nature of the game but some changes might make the game more appealing to more people anyways I usually run squire gear and search for pvp to practice since I don’t wanna risk gold without experience on pvp (I am generally not interested in pve) in my experience it is really hard to find pvp even in normals (I know the hotspots) I think there should be a pvp game mode like arenas but there should be 1v1’s and 2v2’s also there should be free gear to choose from and you should only be able to choose that gear, maybe an entrance fee and the winner gets all the fees but the game is not about that so maybe not unfortunately :(
Idk how epic games free stuff works but I don’t think they’d give away legendary status away for free if game was doing well
@Prankd69 i really do appreciate the perspective of a new player!
@Prankd69 all things concidered having about 30k players on at all times for an early access game isnt bad at all, but the numbers are unstable and dropping kinda rapidly
It should have an MMR system. It is getting real tired real fast going up as a oh lets say bronze pvp player against diamond leaguers that take the field every time. I will never have those reflexes. When you once in a blue moon get fights that are about equal in skill expression it is so fun - most of the time you just get stomped. Getting old this game real fast. And that is 600 hrs talking.
@@Alagachak Bro if you've ever played any extraction shooter with MMR then you'd know it just doesn't work. You just get ghost lobbies because there's too many brackets/maps and the game doesn't have a definable win condition to which playerskill could be accurately measured.
For your analogy, in terms of SBMM. League of Legends has ranked solo/duo and ranked flex. We both know flex is a joke and barely anyone queues for it, it's just ranked solo/duo. So it has one queue for ranked. League has roughly 950-1.1 million concurrent players at any one time, Dark and Darker has about 14,000. League has 1 ranked queue, Dark and Darker will have
Solo experience is every person who plays the game is ratting and will only fight in perfect conditions. And in trios it's all in fight under 30 seconds or 3rd party waiting. It's so stale
I'm dying of laughter watching this knowing I did a full perma hide rogue build and am taking ratting to an extreme. Nothing better than being the third party to loot the kill and run away !
Can you share the bulle
@sperrex465 I just get to 40 or more resourcefulness, throw in a little bit of will and biff duration bonus. You can build perma hide for less than 500 gold.
Actually agree.. played since PT2 and can barely stand playing anymore.. Its really sad.
same they destroyed the balance some classes are broken and some are unplayable and everyone bitches out from fights
@@viegonoob there’s no bad classes atm tbh
@sideloves6443 i think every class has a niche they can fill well, but i think there is a pretty big discrepancy between some of them when i comes to combat effectiveness
If you ever get kited out as a barb you'll see why we have so much movespeed.
Barb has 2 stats. AGI and Dex nothing else matters lol. Feast or famime. Its super demoralizing when barb is weak and theres almost nothing you can do to get on them and its super annoying for the rest of ya when barb is even slightly strong.
So now we build all agi at all times.
Brother nah - I've mained Barb for the last 2 seasons and semi-mained since PT1 - Dex is 10000% insanely important but AGI is absolutely not a needed stat. I frequently run 285/295 ms with weapons away. Getting kited is not just you having no chance against ranged classes - everyone dies to ranged from time to time but you should NOT be getting kited as a barb my dude. You never push on ranged, and whilst if you get caught out in the open you can eat it and die, if you just refuse the kite and hang back completely, 99% of people get impatient and push on you and make mistakes and it's game over. You definitely don't speak for all Barbs saying Dex and AGI are vital when its Dex and Vig.
A class should not have high health, fast move speed, and high damage output at the same time, yet barb has had all 3 since the launch of the game
@@tsgbadger6232 barb isnt a problem outside of 0-24 though so its only that they have really good stat distribution without gear.
@@brissywink your avoiding getting kited is relying on othera getting annoyed with you not chasing them and thus they attack you in melee when yer still high hp.
That pretty much proves my point, anyone that doesnt want to fight you can simply leave.
I either hold up somewhere with good cover so they cant get free hits and they stupidly engage me at my best.
Or we stare at each other awkwardly. Or I dive em and chase and we do Door and Doorer.
Theres no reason for either of us to play the others game so fights are discouraged. (Except barbs are bloodthirsty and getting plinked at by range when yer trying to do other shit is annoying)
@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey well you cant deny that barbs are passionate!
Door and Doorer
And I literally just had a 1v1 with someone. Fought. Campfire after. Loot body and find blue and go. I’m sure you have too you’re just tunneling
Sure i have, but this season its just not a thing, maybe things are different in squire lobbies?
Barb definitely broken in solos
Preach!
welcome to the past entire lifespan of the game playing wizard, has some of the most potential just for the devs to have the same basic combat and no actual fun spells, its just a magic ranger, im sorry but thats boring no one wants to play a wizard just to sling a million ice bolts and fireballs that more than likely will just get dodged by anyone that has a brain, the devs will then nerf shit or buff it ridiculously then say "oh we didnt foresee giving barb more damage, speed, health, pdr, mdr would make him that strong" i mean really, are we really this lost in the dev cycle to where you cant tell an obvious change will result in obvious outcomes?
POV: your duos not around 😂
Also short sword rouge is not good enough to be fun so I have to make it work🤔
@@jacobfrick8866this might be brain damage
mosquito bard is the most annoying class to fight in 1v1, I main fighter and i run crossbow and a longsword for most of the time and even with sprint i can't catch any runner and all they do is run away doorway after doorway and just shoot that effing survival bow that does next to no damage but when you disengage they run back after you yet they don't want a face to face fight... bro, grow a pair or just learn when to fight and when not to fight, and that goes to rogues and druids... ratting is the most annoying way to play this game and i don't know how people think this is fun way to play... just eh...
As a dirty bard player i can agree!
@@tsgbadger6232 xD
U lost me at ‘ barbarian is the most broken class ‘ it let me know u were druid crutched and u have no idea what you’re talking about
average barb brain :)
I play barbarian and can 100% say it was the easiest to hit demigod other than rogue ofc
@@thewoodofdoor1069 hitting demigod has nothing to do with how good a class is , demigod doesnt show any type of skill at all
@@tsgbadger6232 thats the easy way out but im not surprised. I play bard not barbarian by the way.
@@tsgbadger6232also at 16:00 u said for us to do exactly what I did with this comment, and now ur getting defensive. Im surprised u didnt mention cleric because thats whats actually busted right now but I play every class and barbarian is always free lunch
I miss when you could just stash gear and throw WHATEVER on and run HR but now it's 3 weeks into the game and everybody is GIGA juiced, people are flexing their half page of skull keys and named weapons. Everybody is just talking about getting super rich and i'm already over it. I'm chronically addicted but yet i find myself playing maybe a dozen games most a day. 4k hours since playtest 2 so ive been here since day 1 and yea the game just dosent feel good anymore.
@@PlaguinDoctor the good old days!
Getting good gear has never been so easy with socketing system. 4k gold gets you very good kit. 1 wolf pelt is 800 gold. Troll pelt almost 10k. Stop whining bro
I have 1500 hrs 😅
I think i got all my hours before the first multiclassing update and recently came back the last 2 patches!
The biggest issue is that the average player is terrible at the game, which is difficult and requires time to master. Most people won’t excel at it, even after years of playing-take League as an example people are stuck in one rank for ages. I’m not sure if the developers are bad at the game themselves or if they simply listen to the majority of players, who are not skilled and have no idea what are they talking about.
Yeah bud, everyone else must just be bad! Surely that line of thinking gets us somewhere!
You’re just being upset with the game. As a long time player with an open mind and a couple months off, this is the best the game has ever been. Gear score, not lobbies filled with naked rogues, everyone in your lobby should have gear on for the most part. You’re just upset with the game. Take a break and if you come back you’ll realize your issues are just based on a string of bad experiences and not everyone’s experience
Idk in this string of comments you seems to be the minority bud.
saying this as a returning player as well: some of this is definitely colored by people grinding a game and not taking a break for a season or two. however, its true that continuous dungeon (and therefore blues/reds opening early) causes a LOT of this behavior. fight doesnt go in favor? just leave. someone doing boss? well, i cant do it, and i want that juicy troll pelt! so many will kill you then reset boss, and leave without even getting your gear. a lot of players in this game are just fundamentally bad at the game, so they dont take risks, they just go for the easiest path to get the most out of it, even if its as miserable to play as old landmine rogue. its equally a game design issue and a playerbase issue - both are colored towards cowardice rather than risk.
Oh look, it's the rogue rat telling us we're delusional.
Cat druid was busted. Did too high of dps to be as tanky as it was. Nerf was deserved. Bear is indeed trash but your argument is the same argument for barbarian u literally gotta be dogshit to die to a barbarian
perhaps a season ago.. but not this season bud
HE DIDNT GET KILLED BY 320 MS BARB with 35phy dmg and 35 pdr and all good gem rings (sadly gems make gear more op)
imagine dying to a druid. the class that goes chicken form and is one shottable lmao.
😂😂😂😂
“Every play style that I die from means you are garbage and you are not having fun” “I am the only one allowed to get kills and anything stronger than me is broken”
i didnt say any of this?
@ that’s how this whole video comes across
It’s so fun standing and waiting for someone else to do the pve and then kill them when they’re done.
It’s just so thrilling waiting for them to play the actual game while I stand around eating my own boogers until I can surprise them and take their stuff.
Just so fun. Absolutely hilarious. Real knee-slapping-fun
@@brandonhenifin4802 no it doesnt, at all.
i want rogue to be able to kill in high gs. His damage doesn't fix his fragility. If you build too tanky you cant kill. Also i think its about time bards get some serious nerfs like everyone else has gotten. Bards shriek is still completely debilitating. Also think that druid is impossible to play aggressively unless you are a panther build. This has gotten very lame as i love druid but cant push as anything without getting stat checked. Fighter, barb and cleric can build so tanky as soon as you start getting around the 120 gs range and still have enough dps output to kill the squishier classes on the laurels of very powerful abilities. Really and truly i think a lot of this imbalance comes from these abilities. Sprint and second wind are no brainers for every build on fighter. Smite and, or judgment for cleric. Buff roar, reckless attack and Achilles for barb. I think Some abilities should be split into two separate ones, or outright changed, and old unused abilities need some love or changes. At this point we need class reworks over new classes. At least for one season
It's coming, sdf confirmed bard overhaul. As it is too powerful and doesn't work for the game.
have you ever considered its just a skill issue?? Maybe get better at video games
I tried, but it was too hard!
No, ratting is skill issue especially when it comes to rogues, because everyone knows they can't kill any boss.
@@coldcoder3138 i mean rogue just have move speed advantage, while being less than 140 health on 225+ gear unlike any other range like ranger, sorc, wizard, or warlock that have a long range advantage too, rogue just have hand crossbow that has a damage of less than 30. Rogue basically meaning they have to be careful on every aspect, need to at least take 70% of the opponent hp and then commit to the fight, while like bard already have the shriek weaknees and have a good advantage on range and melee combat. I'm not a rogue main but i see it like this, not their fault too they HAVE to be a rat to survive
@@direxion69 You proved my point, thank you very much.
Bro u really said 3rd parties are crazy look at any content creator; wow u mean the people who are literally streaming so of course theyre getting 3rd partied and sniped
it was a fustrated rant bud... it's just my thoughts in the moment, im not saying im correct on everything thats why im asking for other perspectives
@ u clearly werent looking for a discussion u just wanted to be validated lol
@@vowish5319 you're just looking for attention? 3 comments throughout the video def you just tilted.
Hate the game not the gaymer
@@krunkey we love gaymers around here!