Nowhere have I ever seen this advertised as the ultimate do-it-all adventure bike. You completely miss the point of this trail bike - not meant for tearing around off-road at high speed.
So true. Also minimalism and simple living are getting more popular these days. In the same way you can have more fun on smaller bikes like the CT. Look at how popular the smaller naked bikes and retro bikes are now. The thought of owning a Superbike leaves me cold now.
Well you’re missing the point of this awesome little motorcycle. Not everyone wants to ride fast. I personally prefer a small, Quiet,Light weight, excellent mpg and reliable adventure motorcycle to explore.
You'll take a 100kg bike places you take a bicycle. A 200kg bike off-road especially alone is sketchy. He's comparing the suspension to the legendary wr250 which has some of the most ground clearance and suspension travel. Compare it to an Africa twin. 8 inches of travel and 9 inches of clearance
@@0xsergy Never mind Wanderer Moto he seems to have an agenda against small, practical bikes that don´t flex a lot of prestige. Have you seen ANY "review" by him where he is not comparing the test bike unfairly just to have something to b*tch about?
Exactly. This is the most epic adventure bike in my opinion. I can't wait until they come to the UK. I've ridden much faster and 'better' bikes, in fact I still own one, but I love this little bike.
As someone that rode thousands of miles on a c70 as a kid, riding the ct125 around the farm here has turned back the clock for me 30 years and brought the fun factor back. I have dual sports that'll run 120mph, I didn't buy this bike for speed, I bought it to get into the back country and get away. I payed 3899 for mine and to me I wouldn't sell it for twice that. To each his own, I absolutely love my Hunter Cub
Beautiful comment. I just wish it wasn't $7000 in Australia. I'd love it as a secondary fun bike, but can't justify the price for a second bike. Already got my WR250R pimped out for adventure riding 👍
@@Wanderer1 I hear that! I have an older 93 dr350l thats been one of the best bikes I've ever owned. Each year that I get older, it seems the seat gets narrower...as if now I fell like I'm sitting on a pizza cutter wheel! 🤣. It's been a great bike though. Need to rig a wider seat on it
the CT is not designed to be ridden fast. a lot of its usage will see it haul cargo/luggage around in sedate speeds of around 60 to 70 kms per hour. when compared to a more capable 250 off roader / enduro , its obviously gonna fall short as they are different machines built to carry out different duties..
The trail 125 is all about nastalgia for me, a trail 90 was what started my love for 2 wheeled vehicles as a kid. I already have my trail 125 in the garage and would have bought one for almost any price. It's just a slow putt putt bike but just looking at it makes me happy and brings back fond memories.
How do you compare it to the old 90? I was debating on which one to buy. Part of me wants to fix up an old ct90 and get it running tip Top condition the other part of me is like not wanting to bother with old technology and just get the newer fuel injected one.
Probably should have said "true adventure bike" in the title.. this moped like bike does barely cut it for adventure purposes but the point of the video is that there are way better options out there like the wr250r. And in Australia there is barely a difference in price between the two. The Honda is over priced massively here. Thanks for watching.
@@Wanderer1 The price is indeed ridiculous, just like the monkey 125. This really limits the sales-succes. But to be fair, anyone that wants this thing to be a true adventure bike in the traditional sense of the term, must be dillusional. Even the RE Himalayan falls flat on its face as an adventure machine when compared to a wr250r. But it’s still less expensive than this funny little thing. Honda quality costs an arm and a leg these days...
@@belgianbushrc7934 The way the words: " adventure bike" is usually meant i don´t agree on what you say about the Himalayan. The Himalayan is not a toy to play around in the dirt with as many people think it is. It is a vehicle that is capable of transporting its driver where ever the driver needs to go (within reason) and it does it slow, safe and steady without much fuss. Is it a play toy? No! It is a all terrain vehicle. Treat it like that and you will see that it makes all kind of sense.
Dude, big heavy “adventure bikes” are BS. If you are on true trails you are going slow and light simple bikes go faster on those trails even with less suspension.
I used to work in a shop where we specialised in ct110’s. Mate youve got no idea how many people take the originals cross country and offroad. Most definitely arent using them as posties!
This bike is perfect for van life because it is a light, frugal sipper that is ideal for grocery runs, exploring your surroundings, and easy to carry on a hitch rack.
The only reason this fails is because of the price - just a few dollars short of $7700 on the road here in Australia!!!!! Outrageous! Honda has really misjudged us on this one- they must think we are all stupid and rich, especially in these hard times. Pushing the nostalgia angle here with the “ great Aussie postie bike” so they can triple the price here compared to Asia and nearly double that of the U.S. I’d buy one tomorrow at a reasonable price but I’d feel silly riding around on it after paying the current asking price.
How is comparing a 250cc bike against a 125cc the same as comparing a VW bug to a dragster.. especially when the two bikes are similar in price. Your abundance in wisdom is amazing. ♥️
@@Wanderer1 Man you are defensive and daft! You are comparing a 250 cc dual sport bike with a 125cc beefed up road/city bike and claims that it is fair? Get real and mature about it.
this is the difference between a toy and a tool. you don't rip around and hit jumps for fun on the cub, you use it to get around in the cheapest most reliable way possible and carry a good lot of shit with you on the way. you probably won't be carrying a surfboard on pedestrian paths with your WR250, or strapping a 400lb deer carcass to the back and riding back to your truck through dense forest.
Well the Honda weighs 258 pounds so pretty sure you wouldn't be strapping a 400 pound deer carcass to the back or you'd have no steering because the bike would be in a wheelie position the whole way back to the truck. But I do love the confidence you have in the bike haha
funny you should say that as I did exactly that with my old Trail 90 - tied off the rack of a dressed out buck to the cargo rack and dragged it out of several miles of forest service road and trails that were inaccessible to 4x4s or quads due to the narrow trail width. the Trail does it just fine. no fussing with a clutch and you can even get off and walk beside it with your hand on the throttle. I just wish the 125 had the low gear selector that comes in very useful on the older models.
I recently bought the new Hunter Cub, I also own a 2019 BMW GSA. The Cub is just plain damn FUN! !!! It is fun to bop around and explore the Sky Island district in Southern Arizona, USA.
Thank You Juan. Thousands of us HIGHLY value your opinion and love your reports on a variety of subjects, especially your aviation videos!! Have fun at ACCA 2021. Look forward to your CT125 report. A faithful Patreon member and 2018 TAT rider.
I see his point , however most folks here in states will be using this new bike to cruise within 10 miles of the house. No question highway miles on the trail 125 would be painful 😥. If anyone wants a real long distance adventure bike buy the new crf300 dual sport. Can’t wait until my little ct125 cruiser shows at my dealership.
Great little bike! Hand it down to whole family, you will love it! Very light weight. Run to store. To work. Stuff like that. No it's probably not a adventure bike, but it is a blast, that you can have an adventure on , some afternoon. It's good if you like it. I like it.
I cruise to and from work (about 8Km round trip) and easy to find a park with it for shopping. Yes over priced but it suits my needs when detecting for gold in the mountains. With no clutch to hold in when I'm park up a hill I can idle along, it's just right for what I wanted..and costs around $0.05 a kilometer to run :)
You are absolutely spot on with that comment! An inexpensive, proven, simple and magnificently reliable bike = C90, which can be serviced and repaired cheaply and costs pennies to run! The cost of that new Honda (Mis) 'Adventure' bike in the UK is ludicrous! You could buy and upgrade better bikes than that Honda for less money! Having an obviously inexpensive bike has huge advantages, as you rightly point out, and that new Honda has an abundance of technical gimmickry it doesn't need to have.
Haha yes love Ed On his c90 adventures. He proves this type of bike could do most things, but I also won’t pay 7k plus for a 125 cc bike as much as I do want the ct125.
@@nickstokes8497 Very well said! The price of that little bike is utterly ridiculous, that kind of money buys quite a few gallons of fuel to take you travelling further...
I like it. It's a 125cc backroads pocket mule. Warro thinks it's a hoot. Great for trails, but I already have a Himalayan that can do trails, porkiness notwithstanding, and 2 up on the hwy for about the same price. 👍👍
Warro is a top bloke. But I think he lives in a fairly rural area where he has alot of back roads. Living in the city and having to hit the highways to get to the back roads would just be a mission on this bike
Actually, I think this is the coolest advertisement to sell this bike. ..... It is not for those who are into extreme off road adventures, but it is for the rest of us for the weekend adventures, less hassle. less expense, for just plain fun.
all the small bikes in this family are just carefree fun but also they commute real good if you can avoid the highways, but Groms, Monkeys, Cubs makes your life better and easy :D
I considered buying one of these to replace my street legal 1986 Honda TLR200 trials/trail bike, liking the idea of fuel injection and disk brakes, but not liking the smaller wheels and tires, a 50lb increase in weight, smaller motor, less suspension travel, less ground clearance and a centrifugal clutch, the motorcycle industry is failing, at least in the US, to produce a decent trials/trail bike.
Not according to Wander Moto! He believes that only HIS kind of adventuring is the true one and thats it. He even have decided for us how a adventure bike is: It is a dual sport!!
Hmm, a WR250R is ~$7k while the Honda is ~$4k, that aint even close to the same price mate. Maybe the prices down under are skewed but $3800 for a brand new 125cc bike aint really bad at all.
There is a similar engined bike sold in the US as the KYMCO K-Pipe 125. It sells new for $2k with a 2 year warranty. This bike is less complicated than a GROM, but more so than the K-Pipe so the price should be between the two ideally. But Honda knows many of these will be sold to people too old to ride their Harleys, but still want something nostalgic as their true last ride. For someone whose last bike sold for $20k, $4k sounds like a bargain.
I ridden all types of bikes but the closest I can compare my new CT125 is my Z50 lol...that said, there's nothing to compare to this bike because there are ZERO competitor in this class...Honda owns this segment...I plan on carrying this bike on a Motojack on the back of my overland 2019 Ranger as a single track exploration device or in case of truck problems deep in the woods...
The first motorbike i ever rode was a Honda CT90, high/low on a farm in central Otago NZ. That was fifty odd years ago and i was ridding it where it was intended to be ridden. This was never meant to be a highway bike. If you ride it where it is intended for, you will love every minute. My only disapointment in the new 125 is that as it doesn't have the HI/LOW rato gearbox.
The speed limit in Thailand is 90 kph. Most people ride these bikes under 60 kph. They are not intended for speeds over 80 kph. They are just good cheap reliable utility transport. Thais prefer the Honda Wave as the bench seat enables passengers, up to 5 on a bike.
Had this been available last year I wouldn’t have bought an electric bike which isn’t known to be speedy. This will take the place of that bike a leap in performance of an electric. This will be perfect for my uses, is what it is🤔❗️
You've clearly not ridden the bike. I have its brilliant, especially after having owned the CT110. Love the dramatic 'I'm out' at the end of your video but you have not got what this bike is about at all. 'I'm in' and it's a ton of fun (owned my Hunter Cub for a month now)
1) Top Speed - 60 mph (100 kms) is well adequate for what it is. 2) Suspension is well adequate for someone that weights 200 lbs ( 108 Kgs ). Anyone above that weight is generally overweight. The motorbike will probably outlast anything else one has ever owned or will own. In Thailand it is 84,000 baht => US$2,545 => £1,866 on the road. It is affordable for a lot more people.
I think it's the same in the UK getting ripped off, but we wised up that's why honda won't release it here, we just won't buy it, it would be cheaper to fly to Thailand and ship it or ride it back to the UK
I would agree with your kind of missing the point you don’t buy one of these to fully loaded down and go across the Sahara desert. There are a plethora of other motorcycles that would do that much better and you might survive LOL however for a $4000 very economic to maintain and ride it’s a perfect little do just enough to keep the smile cramps maintained. I’ve ridden motorcycles all over the world and some of the most fun I’ve had I’ve been a little scooters and 125 motorcycles. They are lightweight super easy on gas. You buy one of these for the fun factor and the smile factor the fact that they have the Honda reliability means you’ll spend more time with the fun factor then wishing that your bike was out of the shop.
@@samreh6156 You could put a drill to your forehead to you could you actually could I’ll support you TH-cam video get on that go across the Sahara do it without a support vehicle like I do most of my traveling
In terms of price, it is the Australian Government and Australian Businessmen that make the Honda CT127 so expensive. At $3,500 on the road in Thailand it is affordable to buy and cheap to run. A versatile little work horse. A utility vehicle more suited to bad roads than a standard Honda Cub. It is designed for smaller Asian riders, male and female, where the extra height is not appreciated by short legged riders. My complaint is that it lacks the modern CVT transmission, and dual wheel combined brake operated by the left hand with ABS on the front wheel that our Honda scooters have.The left hand should operate the rear brake only. The seat cannot be adjusted for taller riders and the cheap sponge padded seat lacks memory foam so a sore butt is almost guaranteed. I fail to see the advantage of the high exhaust as I’ve never had a problem with the standard height Honda Cub or Honda Wave exhausts. It is just styling, not improved function. A fuel tank 2 or 3 times larger would greatly improve touring range. Small petrol tanks cause many riders to run out of fuel. Side saddle bags rather then the top box would keep the luggage down low for better balance. Car companies have persuaded politicians that motorcycles are bad and motorcyclists are undesirable. I believe the high prices are to make people drive cars, which benefits the automobile industry.
I can see the appeal of this bike but I would buy the adv150 scooter over this but if I'm already spending money then I would buy the Versys x 300. Down the rabbit hole I go
The whole point of a 125cc bike is it's not another 4-500 lbs monster. It's not a highway bike, duh. It's different and that's why its amazing, a dude travelled from Alaska to Argentina on its predecessor the c90
It is priced too high at $4000 if it is being sold for $2500 in other countries. I'll just keep my 2020 V-Strom 650XT Adventure. But that little red bike sure is CUTE!!!😀
The observations made here are indisputable. US highway travel on this Cub is prohibited on freeways with minimum speed / cc capacity regulations. Not only an 'annoyance' but illegal. But clearly, for a lot of enthusiasts the disadvantages shrink away and people open their wallet with their hearts and not their heads.
I’m out too, and for you whimpering fanboys, no I have not tried one. If it can’t reliably do 55 MPH uphill (it definitely cannot) it’s not able to be taken even on two-lane backwater highways. It’s an in-town grocery getter that can ford a shallow creek. But it’s not an adventure motorcycle. Call it what you like: mini-moto, scooter, etc., but don’t call it a motorcycle unless you can take it on a highway. I’m holding out hope the rumors of a CT150 in 2022 are true. That will be a complete game changer. Until then, count me out.
You missed the point. This is bike is for the guy that wants to strap his fishing pole to the bike, ride into town to pickup worms, then ride to the lake and fish a remote spot. It's not the do it all bike.. it's the do MOST bike. No frills and utilitarian.
I totally agree and that is why I am buying a 1971 model and swopping a 190cc engine on it and will be all in for less than 2500 usd or around 5000 AU and can go 90 mph anywhere.
The problem I have with the Hunter Cub is that it was promoted as a new generation Trail 90. Most of the features that made the trail 90 special are missing from the Hunter Cub. These include the dual range transmission, the sideways folding handlebars, the external gas storage, and passenger pegs. I can only wish that Honda had included these features in a fuel injected, electronic ignition, disc braked 125. That would have been an adventure bike.
It isn't designed to be a an adventure bike in the sense that you are describing it as. You are not supposed to be ripping it off at maximum speeds nor are you supposed to be flying off rocks. It is a 'Trail' bike. It is a small bike with all the advantages a small bike provides as well as being designed more durable for riding on gravel or dirt paths. Saying this bike is a failure because it can't fly around off road is like saying a little 50cc scooter is a failure because a super bike is faster on the road. Just because two vehicles can go on the same surface doesn't mean they are directly comparable.
Fantastic Bike it's one of four bikes I own in Thailand and great for exploring the Rubber plantations high above Phuket where bigger off Road bikes cant go,I have major travel plans for this bike here when things get back to normal especially exploring Thailands hilly provinces and to get to those places, very simple it fits snugly into the back of my pick up truck this bike was never designed for long Haul Road work.
If you wouldn't be comfortable riding a Grom on the highway, this has the same motor. IMHO the Suzuki VanVan 200 is a far more usable nostalgic bike onroad and off. But perhaps a comparison between those two and Honda's scooter based ADV the ADV150 is in order?
My ex Aus Post CT110 is 36yrs old & is still going strong. You can have an adventure on any bike, but as you say the CT125 is expensive here in Oz, same price as a Himalayan & for only $400 extra you could have a 310GS. One of the reasons for the Postie bike's popularity was they could be bought cheaply from auctions. CT125 is a great little bike, I'll keep my eye out for a cheap used one...
@@Wanderer1 not sure, I bought it as a non runner from a garage sale, the speedo cable was broken. Speedo says 30k but I doubt if that's correct. Numbers indicate it's the original engine.
I live in Japan and the Hunter Cub is 440,000 yen plus all the other fees, dealer addons, and premium demand pricing of $500-$1000 making it close to a $6000 bike on the road. In the other corner, is the Honda Cross Cub 110 which is $1000 cheaper in the beginning, and much less additional fees. About $4000 in the driveway The question becomes, when you can afford anything, price no object, do you want the extra $1000+++ to go camping, or adventuring or blow that money. 1-HP, disc brakes, ABS, are they worth the extra $$$? The cross Cub, I think is going to be discontinued in the the near future, because they are so closely matched. Good video. Japan doesn't have "American Freeways", if it did I'd get a Super Tenere XT1200.
I ride the big guys and I'm getting one of these why because when a kid It was the bike for ADVENTURE.....then we bought Honda xr's late 70's early 80's welded and made racks and went all over....now it's going to take us back in time for some more ADVENTURES...it is an adventure bike and just watch what the young ones will do with it like go around the world no pool problem...me I'll just stick to about a 1000 km range around home.
Although CT is a great choice, you would be better off with the Suzuki DR-200, as it is a proper dual sport, with good suspension and around 400km range on the tank. I know a guy who fitted a set of Honda XL-250r front air shocks to his DR-200! And yes, if the SHTF, most people would be steering clear of the highways and would go off road.
The CT125 has two niches, IMO: urban-assault runabout with cool Ruckus minimalist styling and less farkles than the Cub 125; and gravel/dirt road explorer if you live out in the 'burbs near trails or can strap it to the back of a car or RV. Now, I've done quite long rides on a PGO 125cc scooter out into the country from the center of a fairly large city...and based on the CT125's specs, it could more than handle it. But that means ages of traveling on surface roads to escape urban sprawl out into the country. As for the price: well, that`s the nature of the game. Us First Worlders are going to pay high so they can sell low in the rest of the world that is Honda`s small-bike bread and butter market. You`re paying for heritage, nostalgia, and the Honda dealership/supply network.
It'e the jack of all trades and master of none kind of bike which for my purpose is PERFECT and you gotta love the gas mileage it gets and so what if it don't do 75 mph on the highway is not what it was made for !!!
You're right about the price, it's a fucking joke as it was the supercub or the monkey, they would be sales records if they price them as what they are. Not with this "premium nostalgia" atmosphere, they're prefect as beginners, commuters or second bikes
You have missed the point. I really don't care if it doesn't scream down the road. It can take on forest roads, streams, some rocks and get me out to a remote spot for camping. And if you really want to do a trail that is 1000 miles away, put it on a hitch carrier (cuz it weighs nothing!!) and take off down the road. I'm in the western market and cant wait to get mine!! I currently ride a BMW R1200RT and have a Honda Monkey. Cheers!
@@Wanderer1 I just watched/listened on my Samsung Note9, and it sounds perfectly clear. I usually have difficulty with poor sound quality due to my hearing loss. Not in this case.
As of today, 30 August 2021, I know of no Honda Dealership that has one of these bikes in stock. I've spoken to 5 different Honda Dealerships and all told me the same thing: All CT-125's have been sold out for months and no more are expected in until 2022. They even have "Waiting Lists" for when these new bikes come in. It is getting difficult to buy anything new. This past Summer I have attempted to Buy a new Honda CT-125 and a Bad Boy Zero-Turn Mower, and both had no models in stock, and the mowers were waiting on chips.
Nowhere have I ever seen this advertised as the ultimate do-it-all adventure bike. You completely miss the point of this trail bike - not meant for tearing around off-road at high speed.
So true. Also minimalism and simple living are getting more popular these days. In the same way you can have more fun on smaller bikes like the CT. Look at how popular the smaller naked bikes and retro bikes are now. The thought of owning a Superbike leaves me cold now.
Agreed.
The Ruckus is also a rugged, minimalist do-it-all little bike, within reasonable limits.
I think he's colluding it with the c90adv channel
This bike is listed as a mini moto, NOT an adventure bike. The “JOKE” is this post, LOL
It's a Swiss knife type of a bike
Well you’re missing the point of this awesome little motorcycle. Not everyone wants to ride fast. I personally prefer a small, Quiet,Light weight, excellent mpg and reliable adventure motorcycle to explore.
You'll take a 100kg bike places you take a bicycle. A 200kg bike off-road especially alone is sketchy. He's comparing the suspension to the legendary wr250 which has some of the most ground clearance and suspension travel. Compare it to an Africa twin. 8 inches of travel and 9 inches of clearance
@@0xsergy Never mind Wanderer Moto he seems to have an agenda against small, practical bikes that don´t flex a lot of prestige. Have you seen ANY "review" by him where he is not comparing the test bike unfairly just to have something to b*tch about?
Exactly. This is the most epic adventure bike in my opinion. I can't wait until they come to the UK. I've ridden much faster and 'better' bikes, in fact I still own one, but I love this little bike.
@@Anonymouseys Ben gets it👍
I agree. I want to go safe and slow while operating very lightweight quiet motorcycle. I’d really love to have this bike
Might as well make a "Why a CT125 will fail as a MotoGP bike" video
Why the ct125 is the worst muscle bike of 2021
@@claymoresteel "Why the ct125 is the slowest race bike ever."
@@ThinkBeforeYouSheep why the Honda ct125 fails as a ford f150
@@claymoresteel "Why the ct125 is the worst airplane of all time."
@@ThinkBeforeYouSheep anyways god I want a ct125 lmao
I just sold my ktm 690 enduro r.
And picked up one of these.
I want to slowly tip over in the woods not send it into a tree at 70mph
You getting old bro.
@@MrShnazer No I'm just bad at off-roading!
It is a beautiful machine. It is exactly as intended, no more no less. I'm on the list.
you can't compare this little bike to larger enduro type bikes. This is a street legal trail bike, nothing more.
As someone that rode thousands of miles on a c70 as a kid, riding the ct125 around the farm here has turned back the clock for me 30 years and brought the fun factor back. I have dual sports that'll run 120mph, I didn't buy this bike for speed, I bought it to get into the back country and get away. I payed 3899 for mine and to me I wouldn't sell it for twice that. To each his own, I absolutely love my Hunter Cub
Beautiful comment. I just wish it wasn't $7000 in Australia. I'd love it as a secondary fun bike, but can't justify the price for a second bike. Already got my WR250R pimped out for adventure riding 👍
@@Wanderer1 I hear that! I have an older 93 dr350l thats been one of the best bikes I've ever owned. Each year that I get older, it seems the seat gets narrower...as if now I fell like I'm sitting on a pizza cutter wheel! 🤣. It's been a great bike though. Need to rig a wider seat on it
Its hard to take this seriously given the guy clearly has never ridden one to understand what its all about.
the CT is not designed to be ridden fast. a lot of its usage will see it haul cargo/luggage around in sedate speeds of around 60 to 70 kms per hour. when compared to a more capable 250 off roader / enduro , its obviously gonna fall short as they are different machines built to carry out different duties..
to put it frankly a durable/service bike if i might add 😁
I have a KLX250 and would still love a little bike like this - but the reviewer is right, they missed the mark where it really counts.
Stop being a prat this is more than capable of going around the world.
The trail 125 is all about nastalgia for me, a trail 90 was what started my love for 2 wheeled vehicles as a kid. I already have my trail 125 in the garage and would have bought one for almost any price. It's just a slow putt putt bike but just looking at it makes me happy and brings back fond memories.
How do you compare it to the old 90? I was debating on which one to buy. Part of me wants to fix up an old ct90 and get it running tip Top condition the other part of me is like not wanting to bother with old technology and just get the newer fuel injected one.
By now they should've made that c90 adventure guy their brand ambassador for this 😂
I agree and he is doing the real adventure riding. Other guys are just tourists on expensive motorcycles in a hurry!
@@marks-0-0 Itchy Boots wants to know your location.
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 indeed.
You contradict your title in the beginning of the video and then compare this moped-like bike to a wr250r... Strange video to say the least.
Probably should have said "true adventure bike" in the title.. this moped like bike does barely cut it for adventure purposes but the point of the video is that there are way better options out there like the wr250r. And in Australia there is barely a difference in price between the two. The Honda is over priced massively here. Thanks for watching.
@@Wanderer1 The price is indeed ridiculous, just like the monkey 125. This really limits the sales-succes. But to be fair, anyone that wants this thing to be a true adventure bike in the traditional sense of the term, must be dillusional.
Even the RE Himalayan falls flat on its face as an adventure machine when compared to a wr250r. But it’s still less expensive than this funny little thing. Honda quality costs an arm and a leg these days...
@@belgianbushrc7934 The way the words: " adventure bike" is usually meant i don´t agree on what you say about the Himalayan. The Himalayan is not a toy to play around in the dirt with as many people think it is. It is a vehicle that is capable of transporting its driver where ever the driver needs to go (within reason) and it does it slow, safe and steady without much fuss. Is it a play toy? No! It is a all terrain vehicle. Treat it like that and you will see that it makes all kind of sense.
Dude, big heavy “adventure bikes” are BS. If you are on true trails you are going slow and light simple bikes go faster on those trails even with less suspension.
I used to work in a shop where we specialised in ct110’s. Mate youve got no idea how many people take the originals cross country and offroad. Most definitely arent using them as posties!
What is the store?
This bike is perfect for van life because it is a light, frugal sipper that is ideal for grocery runs, exploring your surroundings, and easy to carry on a hitch rack.
The only reason this fails is because of the price - just a few dollars short of $7700 on the road here in Australia!!!!!
Outrageous!
Honda has really misjudged us on this one- they must think we are all stupid and rich, especially in these hard times.
Pushing the nostalgia angle here with the “ great Aussie postie bike” so they can triple the price here compared to Asia and nearly double that of the U.S.
I’d buy one tomorrow at a reasonable price but I’d feel silly riding around on it after paying the current asking price.
Every small displacement Honda is overpriced.
What? Your lack of wisdom is amazing. Next week I am looking forward to your review about how a VW Bug falls short as a AA dragster.
How is comparing a 250cc bike against a 125cc the same as comparing a VW bug to a dragster.. especially when the two bikes are similar in price. Your abundance in wisdom is amazing. ♥️
@@Wanderer1 Man you are defensive and daft! You are comparing a 250 cc dual sport bike with a 125cc beefed up road/city bike and claims that it is fair? Get real and mature about it.
this is the difference between a toy and a tool. you don't rip around and hit jumps for fun on the cub, you use it to get around in the cheapest most reliable way possible and carry a good lot of shit with you on the way. you probably won't be carrying a surfboard on pedestrian paths with your WR250, or strapping a 400lb deer carcass to the back and riding back to your truck through dense forest.
Well the Honda weighs 258 pounds so pretty sure you wouldn't be strapping a 400 pound deer carcass to the back or you'd have no steering because the bike would be in a wheelie position the whole way back to the truck. But I do love the confidence you have in the bike haha
@@Wanderer1 it's been done a few times on an even smaller lighter version of the bike, just search "ct90 deer"
funny you should say that as I did exactly that with my old Trail 90 - tied off the rack of a dressed out buck to the cargo rack and dragged it out of several miles of forest service road and trails that were inaccessible to 4x4s or quads due to the narrow trail width. the Trail does it just fine. no fussing with a clutch and you can even get off and walk beside it with your hand on the throttle. I just wish the 125 had the low gear selector that comes in very useful on the older models.
Its a cool novelty bike that is way too expensive for what it is and will be ridden as adventure bike by 5% at best. Its just so sweet looking
It’s actually the equivalent price to a late 60’s Cub Trail in time value of money comparison.
I recently bought the new Hunter Cub, I also own a 2019 BMW GSA. The Cub is just plain damn FUN! !!! It is fun to bop around and explore the Sky Island district in Southern Arizona, USA.
Hey i llive in tucson. Are these good for reddington and other mountain roads?
Have you tried one?...stby for an update ;-) Juan
Thank You Juan. Thousands of us HIGHLY value your opinion and love your reports on a variety of subjects, especially your aviation videos!! Have fun at ACCA 2021. Look forward to your CT125 report. A faithful Patreon member and 2018 TAT rider.
I see his point , however most folks here in states will be using this new bike to cruise within 10 miles of the house. No question highway miles on the trail 125 would be painful 😥. If anyone wants a real long distance adventure bike buy the new crf300 dual sport. Can’t wait until my little ct125 cruiser shows at my dealership.
Great little bike! Hand it down to whole family, you will love it! Very light weight. Run to store. To work. Stuff like that. No it's probably not a adventure bike, but it is a blast, that you can have an adventure on
, some afternoon. It's good if you like it. I like it.
Adventures come in all sizes...I bought one to strap on the back of my 4wd camper van...bro
It’s got me excited and I’ve been waiting two months for delivery.
I cruise to and from work (about 8Km round trip) and easy to find a park with it for shopping. Yes over priced but it suits my needs when detecting for gold in the mountains. With no clutch to hold in when I'm park up a hill I can idle along, it's just right for what I wanted..and costs around $0.05 a kilometer to run :)
I seen epic adventures on C90 adventure above any documented on TH-cam
You are absolutely spot on with that comment!
An inexpensive, proven, simple and magnificently reliable bike = C90, which can be serviced and repaired cheaply and costs pennies to run!
The cost of that new Honda (Mis) 'Adventure' bike in the UK is ludicrous!
You could buy and upgrade better bikes than that Honda for less money!
Having an obviously inexpensive bike has huge advantages, as you rightly point out, and that new Honda has an abundance of technical gimmickry it doesn't need to have.
Haha yes love Ed On his c90 adventures. He proves this type of bike could do most things, but I also won’t pay 7k plus for a 125 cc bike as much as I do want the ct125.
@@nickstokes8497 Very well said!
The price of that little bike is utterly ridiculous, that kind of money buys quite a few gallons of fuel to take you travelling further...
@@nickstokes8497 7,000??? Where do you live? In America it’s like $3,600
@@yamkaw346 In Australia mate. They are $7500 Brand new. Ridiculous price.
I like it. It's a 125cc backroads pocket mule. Warro thinks it's a hoot. Great for trails, but I already have a Himalayan that can do trails, porkiness notwithstanding, and 2 up on the hwy for about the same price. 👍👍
Warro is a top bloke. But I think he lives in a fairly rural area where he has alot of back roads. Living in the city and having to hit the highways to get to the back roads would just be a mission on this bike
The CT is basically a high powered moped, and I love it for that
Actually, I think this is the coolest advertisement to sell this bike. ..... It is not for those who are into extreme off road adventures, but it is for the rest of us for the weekend adventures, less hassle. less expense, for just plain fun.
all the small bikes in this family are just carefree fun but also they commute real good if you can avoid the highways, but Groms, Monkeys, Cubs makes your life better and easy :D
That motorcycle is to go around not to run and jump like a mad man
Mate, you completely miss the point.I have a GS 1200 and also a CT125, and have excellent adventures on both !
Good day to you !
It is a great analysis of CT125!
So nice explanations !!
Thank you for sharing !
I considered buying one of these to replace my street legal 1986 Honda TLR200 trials/trail bike, liking the idea of fuel injection and disk brakes, but not liking the smaller wheels and tires, a 50lb increase in weight, smaller motor, less suspension travel, less ground clearance and a centrifugal clutch, the motorcycle industry is failing, at least in the US, to produce a decent trials/trail bike.
How you experience adventure varies.. i can have an adventure of a lifetime even on a scooter..
well said
Not according to Wander Moto! He believes that only HIS kind of adventuring is the true one and thats it. He even have decided for us how a adventure bike is: It is a dual sport!!
I have a Vespa and ridden over 300 miles in one day, slow but it was fun being out with ya mates. Just enjoying the ride.
Hmm, a WR250R is ~$7k while the Honda is ~$4k, that aint even close to the same price mate. Maybe the prices down under are skewed but $3800 for a brand new 125cc bike aint really bad at all.
The Honda is 7k here in Australia and the WR 9k. So I was going off that
I bet it'll still get you anywhere you want to go at whatever speed it can.
$ 5000 OTD in the US is insane. I'm out, too. 60 mph here in the US will get you run over.
Too high on the price point $3500 should be just right
There is a similar engined bike sold in the US as the KYMCO K-Pipe 125. It sells new for $2k with a 2 year warranty. This bike is less complicated than a GROM, but more so than the K-Pipe so the price should be between the two ideally. But Honda knows many of these will be sold to people too old to ride their Harleys, but still want something nostalgic as their true last ride. For someone whose last bike sold for $20k, $4k sounds like a bargain.
What do you say to those who traveled the world on the Honda cub? I traveled East Africa on a small bike. Problem-free.
Will it outrun lions?
@@billwelch9431 My 100cc was well tuned
and could do 100kms per hour without any problem.
These things are mules, not motocross bikes. They are for going where there is NO trail.
Just like the (by many ) missunderstod RE Himalayan. But many reviewers can´t understand that concept, sadly, and dumps on them.
I ridden all types of bikes but the closest I can compare my new CT125 is my Z50 lol...that said, there's nothing to compare to this bike because there are ZERO competitor in this class...Honda owns this segment...I plan on carrying this bike on a Motojack on the back of my overland 2019 Ranger as a single track exploration device or in case of truck problems deep in the woods...
Don't listen to the marketing folk. Any bike can be an adventure bike.
I have the Super Cub because it fits my needs for commuting. However. It’ll go where I want it to.
The first motorbike i ever rode was a Honda CT90, high/low on a farm in central Otago NZ. That was fifty odd years ago and i was ridding it where it was intended to be ridden. This was never meant to be a highway bike. If you ride it where it is intended for, you will love every minute. My only disapointment in the new 125 is that as it doesn't have the HI/LOW rato gearbox.
The high low gear would of been nice to have though
The speed limit in Thailand is 90 kph. Most people ride these bikes under 60 kph. They are not intended for speeds over 80 kph. They are just good cheap reliable utility transport. Thais prefer the Honda Wave as the bench seat enables passengers, up to 5 on a bike.
You're right about it being too damn expensive..
Had this been available last year I wouldn’t have bought an electric bike which isn’t known to be speedy. This will take the place of that bike a leap in performance of an electric. This will be perfect for my uses, is what it is🤔❗️
You've clearly not ridden the bike. I have its brilliant, especially after having owned the CT110.
Love the dramatic 'I'm out' at the end of your video but you have not got what this bike is about at all.
'I'm in' and it's a ton of fun (owned my Hunter Cub for a month now)
You patently don't know the definition of adventure.
Lots of folks use these on trails in the desert,mountains ect they love these bikes
Any bike can be a adventure bike
Countries like Romania, Moldavia, don't have highways! Bulgaria...not so much etc. Greece...hum... And so on...so it stays the perfect adventure bike!
1) Top Speed - 60 mph (100 kms) is well adequate for what it is.
2) Suspension is well adequate for someone that weights 200 lbs ( 108 Kgs ). Anyone above that weight is generally overweight.
The motorbike will probably outlast anything else one has ever owned or will own.
In Thailand it is 84,000 baht => US$2,545 => £1,866 on the road.
It is affordable for a lot more people.
For some reason us Aussies are always getting ripped off on prices. I think for $2000 less it would be a good buy.
I think it's the same in the UK getting ripped off, but we wised up that's why honda won't release it here, we just won't buy it, it would be cheaper to fly to Thailand and ship it or ride it back to the UK
Actually if this bike is only available in our country i would like to buy this one.
But sadly to say, honda ph is not giving us this motorcycle.
I would agree with your kind of missing the point you don’t buy one of these to fully loaded down and go across the Sahara desert. There are a plethora of other motorcycles that would do that much better and you might survive LOL however for a $4000 very economic to maintain and ride it’s a perfect little do just enough to keep the smile cramps maintained. I’ve ridden motorcycles all over the world and some of the most fun I’ve had I’ve been a little scooters and 125 motorcycles. They are lightweight super easy on gas. You buy one of these for the fun factor and the smile factor the fact that they have the Honda reliability means you’ll spend more time with the fun factor then wishing that your bike was out of the shop.
Actually you could.
@@samreh6156 You could put a drill to your forehead to you could you actually could I’ll support you TH-cam video get on that go across the Sahara do it without a support vehicle like I do most of my traveling
In terms of price, it is the Australian Government and Australian Businessmen that make the Honda CT127 so expensive. At $3,500 on the road in Thailand it is affordable to buy and cheap to run. A versatile little work horse. A utility vehicle more suited to bad roads than a standard Honda Cub. It is designed for smaller Asian riders, male and female, where the extra height is not appreciated by short legged riders. My complaint is that it lacks the modern CVT transmission, and dual wheel combined brake operated by the left hand with ABS on the front wheel that our Honda scooters have.The left hand should operate the rear brake only.
The seat cannot be adjusted for taller riders and the cheap sponge padded seat lacks memory foam so a sore butt is almost guaranteed. I fail to see the advantage of the high exhaust as I’ve never had a problem with the standard height Honda Cub or Honda Wave exhausts. It is just styling, not improved function. A fuel tank 2 or 3 times larger would greatly improve touring range. Small petrol tanks cause many riders to run out of fuel. Side saddle bags rather then the top box would keep the luggage down low for better balance.
Car companies have persuaded politicians that motorcycles are bad and motorcyclists are undesirable. I believe the high prices are to make people drive cars, which benefits the automobile industry.
The bike isn't a joke... but this vid is!
Oh look, another review by a person who misses the point of the CT125 completely.
I can see the appeal of this bike but I would buy the adv150 scooter over this but if I'm already spending money then I would buy the Versys x 300. Down the rabbit hole I go
I couldn't agree more wholeheartedly with your review of this product by Honda...but it's also a pretty darn fun little bike
The whole point of a 125cc bike is it's not another 4-500 lbs monster. It's not a highway bike, duh. It's different and that's why its amazing, a dude travelled from Alaska to Argentina on its predecessor the c90
It is priced too high at $4000 if it is being sold for $2500 in other countries. I'll just keep my 2020 V-Strom 650XT Adventure. But that little red bike sure is CUTE!!!😀
The observations made here are indisputable. US highway travel on this Cub is prohibited on freeways with minimum speed / cc capacity regulations. Not only an 'annoyance' but illegal. But clearly, for a lot of enthusiasts the disadvantages shrink away and people open their wallet with their hearts and not their heads.
I’m out too, and for you whimpering fanboys, no I have not tried one. If it can’t reliably do 55 MPH uphill (it definitely cannot) it’s not able to be taken even on two-lane backwater highways. It’s an in-town grocery getter that can ford a shallow creek. But it’s not an adventure motorcycle. Call it what you like: mini-moto, scooter, etc., but don’t call it a motorcycle unless you can take it on a highway.
I’m holding out hope the rumors of a CT150 in 2022 are true. That will be a complete game changer. Until then, count me out.
Hey Lost Moto Fer. Forget About it! And Forget You too.
God bless amerikuh. ♥️
You missed the point. This is bike is for the guy that wants to strap his fishing pole to the bike, ride into town to pickup worms, then ride to the lake and fish a remote spot. It's not the do it all bike.. it's the do MOST bike. No frills and utilitarian.
I totally agree and that is why I am buying a 1971 model and swopping a 190cc engine on it and will be all in for less than 2500 usd or around 5000 AU and can go 90 mph anywhere.
The problem I have with the Hunter Cub is that it was promoted as a new generation Trail 90. Most of the features that made the trail 90 special are missing from the Hunter Cub. These include the dual range transmission, the sideways folding handlebars, the external gas storage, and passenger pegs. I can only wish that Honda had included these features in a fuel injected, electronic ignition, disc braked 125. That would have been an adventure bike.
It isn't designed to be a an adventure bike in the sense that you are describing it as. You are not supposed to be ripping it off at maximum speeds nor are you supposed to be flying off rocks. It is a 'Trail' bike. It is a small bike with all the advantages a small bike provides as well as being designed more durable for riding on gravel or dirt paths. Saying this bike is a failure because it can't fly around off road is like saying a little 50cc scooter is a failure because a super bike is faster on the road. Just because two vehicles can go on the same surface doesn't mean they are directly comparable.
Fantastic Bike it's one of four bikes I own in Thailand and great for exploring the Rubber plantations high above Phuket where bigger off Road bikes cant go,I have major travel plans for this bike here when things get back to normal especially exploring Thailands hilly provinces and to get to those places, very simple it fits snugly into the back of my pick up truck this bike was never designed for long Haul Road work.
In the US, its price is consistent with other bikes in its class.
If you wouldn't be comfortable riding a Grom on the highway, this has the same motor. IMHO the Suzuki VanVan 200 is a far more usable nostalgic bike onroad and off. But perhaps a comparison between those two and Honda's scooter based ADV the ADV150 is in order?
Take the vid down, you've missed the point of the bike completely, it's embarrassing......
My ex Aus Post CT110 is 36yrs old & is still going strong. You can have an adventure on any bike, but as you say the CT125 is expensive here in Oz, same price as a Himalayan & for only $400 extra you could have a 310GS. One of the reasons for the Postie bike's popularity was they could be bought cheaply from auctions. CT125 is a great little bike, I'll keep my eye out for a cheap used one...
That's crazy. How many kms has it done?
@@Wanderer1 not sure, I bought it as a non runner from a garage sale, the speedo cable was broken. Speedo says 30k but I doubt if that's correct. Numbers indicate it's the original engine.
@@Free_Ranger_CT110 now that's amazing. They truly are built to last hey.
@@Wanderer1 absolutely
I live in Japan and the Hunter Cub is 440,000 yen plus all the other fees, dealer addons, and premium demand pricing of $500-$1000 making it close to a $6000 bike on the road. In the other corner, is the Honda Cross Cub 110 which is $1000 cheaper in the beginning, and much less additional fees. About $4000 in the driveway The question becomes, when you can afford anything, price no object, do you want the extra $1000+++ to go camping, or adventuring or blow that money. 1-HP, disc brakes, ABS, are they worth the extra $$$? The cross Cub, I think is going to be discontinued in the the near future, because they are so closely matched. Good video. Japan doesn't have "American Freeways", if it did I'd get a Super Tenere XT1200.
Yep, you simply don't understand the WHY we buy them, that's all.
this trail is perfect, its price is a bit high, but the machine is indestructible and for a spit in the fuel tank you travel halfway around the world
I ride the big guys and I'm getting one of these why because when a kid It was the bike for ADVENTURE.....then we bought Honda xr's late 70's early 80's welded and made racks and went all over....now it's going to take us back in time for some more ADVENTURES...it is an adventure bike and just watch what the young ones will do with it like go around the world no pool problem...me I'll just stick to about a 1000 km range around home.
The suspension travel is really disappointing , But love the concept of and small air cooled bomb prof bike .
Although CT is a great choice, you would be better off with the Suzuki DR-200, as it is a proper dual sport, with good suspension and around 400km range on the tank.
I know a guy who fitted a set of Honda XL-250r front air shocks to his DR-200!
And yes, if the SHTF, most people would be steering clear of the highways and would go off road.
Its a 125cc what did you expect, and high price? Its under $4000,
$7000 here in Australia
The exorbitant price is no joke.....
My first bike was a 71 ct90 and it was my first adventure bike. Did a 500 mile round trip on it and it was a blast. It was slow but it was freedom.
I get it , but i think this is a light duty adventure bike for the less aggressive moto world ! Thank you for the review ! Enjoy ...
Next up "why this minibike meant for 8 year old kids won't win the Grand Prix anytime soon"
Good review.
The CT125 has two niches, IMO: urban-assault runabout with cool Ruckus minimalist styling and less farkles than the Cub 125; and gravel/dirt road explorer if you live out in the 'burbs near trails or can strap it to the back of a car or RV. Now, I've done quite long rides on a PGO 125cc scooter out into the country from the center of a fairly large city...and based on the CT125's specs, it could more than handle it. But that means ages of traveling on surface roads to escape urban sprawl out into the country.
As for the price: well, that`s the nature of the game. Us First Worlders are going to pay high so they can sell low in the rest of the world that is Honda`s small-bike bread and butter market. You`re paying for heritage, nostalgia, and the Honda dealership/supply network.
If it wasn't for the insane price here in NZ (same as CRF300L money) I would have one in a heartbeat.
ITS JUST A GREAT TRAIL BIKE .
I love it
FOR THIS PURPOSE IM IN 😳
It'e the jack of all trades and master of none kind of bike which for my purpose is PERFECT and you gotta love the gas mileage it gets and so what if it don't do 75 mph on the highway is not what it was made for !!!
My only complaint about this bike is that Honda refuses to release it in Canada. I would take one of these any day over an Africa Twin.
The XR150L, which you already have, is coming to Canada and the US. Do you think it would be better? Longer range and longer suspension.
You're right about the price, it's a fucking joke as it was the supercub or the monkey, they would be sales records if they price them as what they are. Not with this "premium nostalgia" atmosphere, they're prefect as beginners, commuters or second bikes
You have missed the point. I really don't care if it doesn't scream down the road. It can take on forest roads, streams, some rocks and get me out to a remote spot for camping. And if you really want to do a trail that is 1000 miles away, put it on a hitch carrier (cuz it weighs nothing!!) and take off down the road.
I'm in the western market and cant wait to get mine!! I currently ride a BMW R1200RT and have a Honda Monkey. Cheers!
My 2020 monkey bike with Mobber tires goes everywhere in the woods . I'd like one of these also
Tell me your points with a better mic
Were there problems with the sound? This is the first I'm hearing about it. Plus I use a professional mic to record the audio.. are you sure?
@@Wanderer1 I just watched/listened on my Samsung Note9, and it sounds perfectly clear. I usually have difficulty with poor sound quality due to my hearing loss. Not in this case.
As of today, 30 August 2021, I know of no Honda Dealership that has one of these bikes in stock. I've spoken to 5 different Honda Dealerships and all told me the same thing: All CT-125's have been sold out for months and no more are expected in until 2022. They even have "Waiting Lists" for when these new bikes come in. It is getting difficult to buy anything new. This past Summer I have attempted to Buy a new Honda CT-125 and a Bad Boy Zero-Turn Mower, and both had no models in stock, and the mowers were waiting on chips.