tubatuba perhaps the new model but the 15 and older are unstoppable in the snow and off road. I had a 10 and did all three stages of tfl goldmine hill easily... with Michelin Defender all seasons.
tubatuba I have a 2012 HONDA PILOT 4WD and a few times every summer when it’s 115*-122* degrees outside, I drive from my house in Palm Springs, CA To Laughlin, NV purely off road taking nothing but off highway 4x4 trails; usually taking 6-8 hours, and I’ve never had any kind of issues with overheating of any sort. Even my 13 year old daughter know better than to speak on what others say SMH
tubatuba , TFL tested the Honda Ridgeline a 2nd time and it made it up Gold Mine Hill with no transmission overheating problems. When I bought my Ridgeline 11 years old I had no intentions to go off road with it but it's good to know that it can . Every vehicle will have its limitations , buy according to your needs and wants . Your the only one you need to make happy , have a nice day. 😎
The Ford Edge Titanium AWD *(w/ "Elite" package)* that you are testing makes me feel good about my purchase now, even though I might have paid more than I would have for a Honda Passport Elite. Thanks for releasing both reviews of all three vehicles over the past two days.
I knew the Passport was going to win BUT I didn’t expect the Edge to do as well as it did ( good job Ford) and I knew damn well the Nissan was going to suck.
Really good idea for a test! More videos like this! However, it seems like you could have added another few minutes and tested the different drive modes. While it’s certainly interesting to see the results in normal mode, it would be really cool to see the effects of the different powertrain programming.
LOVED this test! Really showed what the AWD systems can do! Little disappointed of that Nissan’s AWD. But the Ford and the Honda did GREAT! Would absolutely LOVE to see these 3 beautiful vehicles go up gold mine hill!
Audi stands above all of them. None of them can compare to Audi’s AWD System. I would never buy a Honda due to how horribly ugly every single model is and how slow they are.
TheGoldenTheory I think Audi and Subaru All wheel drive are equal. I know this because my mom has a Subaru, and My dad had an Audi. They both preform very well. But obvi the Audi has better quality.
Caiden M-B I have an Audi and I’ve driven my friends Subaru and they slide all over the place lol. They’re not the same in any way. I drive through roads full of snow no problem, meanwhile all the other cars are sliding all over the place. Honda has also been known to have a fake AWD system, along with Toyota. Asian cars can’t match to European engineering.
Request to improve the quality of the test. Place a piece of White tape on the side wall of the tire, so that we can see how many times the wheel actually spun round before the car completes the test.
I just got a 2018 Edge Titanium. I love it so far! Gas mileage could always be a little bit better but the interior is beautiful and I have no problem fitting my 95 pound dog in the very back!
Hi! I wanna buy the same vehicle. But many info about rear lights (not properly fixed, vibration) & over sun roof (some plastic details vibration, noise) via rough road. Is it true?
All 3 were very impressive for for simple testing and will suffice for daily use and patrolling parking lots, much better than the Toyota Highlander. Although the Murano is the oldest design there, it is still with proper tires will get you where you need to go. I've taken my previous fusion fwd with all season through a foot of unplowed snow no problem.
Recently, here in Pacific NW, we had SNOWMAGEDDON, 22 inches everywhere. I pulled out 2 Honda CRVs, 1 was in the ditch for 9 hours, driver still inside, 1 Subaru Forester, and 2 other F150s , 1 was 2x4, and the other just plain buried, with my 18 F150 5.0 4x4 supercrew. The 1 piece that really helps . . . . .REAR DIFF LOCKER. The wife has a 16 Range Rover LR4 and it also did amazing in the snow. Good tires make a huge difference too.
I pulled out dozens of cars and trucks in Feb 2018 with my F250. Most were idiots with summer tires that thought their pavement princess truck could handle the snow
Everyone’s bellyaching about the Murano but you have to remember it’s a passenger vehicle with AWD for road safety, not off roading. If you’ve lost traction on 3 wheels you have bigger problems anyway...lol
@@ATH-camChannelwithNoName My 2020 Murano AWD is in its element happily cruising 75-80 mph on interstates on cross-country road trips. If there's a bit of snow on an uphill entrance ramp it'll handle it.
Donald Megahan I’m sure it did, however the system probably sends very little torque to the back axle under that type of throttle input. That, and on the three wheel test he did; the traction control system has to effectively counter the fact that it’s an open diff and brake power from the spinning wheel and send it to the only wheel that’s on pavement. For the Nissan, their software likely doesn’t allow enough power to be sent to that wheel. Unless the dude driving wasn’t giving enough throttle. I’d be curious if he was flooring the throttle or not.
As a Ford guy, being outperformed by Honda is a relative constant. We were #1 and #2 in intial quality for years. Honda makes a hell of a car. Sad to say.
I’ve worked at a Nissan dealership as a tech and also as a tow truck driver and I used to tow a lot of nissans and volkswagens and Chevrolet trucks but I had a few fords but not as much as the first three. I still think this was a good comparison and Ford has come from a long ways with the technology. Honda has always been good.
Ok I finished watching the video and I was right. I started watching and heard you talking about the torque vectoring in the passport and I own an older '15 Edge so Im a Ford guy and thats why I picked the Edge. I think the 3 wheel slip test is a a great way to test ANY AWD System! Kudos 😜
We had just bought a passport when a very wet monsoon season hit here in az, honda awd is flawles in many instances we were the only ones not slipping all over the road
Soon as Tommy said one didn't make it, I knew it was going to be the Nissan. As a side note to TFL, I think those rollers need to be lubricated, you could see them smoke when the nissan was on there. The squeak suggest it needs to have some oil/grease added to the bearings. Love these videos though!
I cannot believe these results! I’ve only had this Murano For 10 months, we’ve had some heavy snow here in Washington and while everybody else has been slipping and sliding this little Murano on all season tires has been a champ. Try another Murano maybe a defect
Even in those type winter conditions, the occurrence of the exact scenario Tommy is simulating in the 3 wheel slip test from stationary is probably pretty rare.
Owned 3 AWD Muranos going back to 06. Currently have a 18'. Live in Chicago and NEVER had issues in snow here or in Northern Wisconsin where we go frequently. For those Ford fans dissing the Murano- remember the Edge was designed specifically to compete with the Murano after the Murano was stealing sales back in 05-06.
That’s the same with our 2015 Murano. Does great everywhere we take it. The most mpg we got out of our was 45 mpg. That was driving 2 hours to Tahoe and 2 hours back.
These are useful things to know, not only the test results, but how they work both when in use and not in use. I also learned that Passport was like the Pilot, which is something I can consider because I love the J35 engine and powertrain for longevity and being a good actor all around. The Edge is a very nice SUV and reliable starting with April 2019 build dates and newer and can be had for an good price.
I could of told you the Nissan wasn't gonna make it lol. Ford's awd system has always been pretty good, live in the northeast and its never left us down in our 2012 ford escape and 2010 ford Taurus SHO and we have 2 explorer for the serious stuff lol.
@Google User There's no way that the Murano has a locking diff....It's got a AWD Lock button. When engaged, it splits power 50/50 front/rear. It's not a locker.
Awesome! Just subscribed for MORE SLIP TESTS. But you guys need to add one final test. Give just one front wheel traction, like you did with one rear wheel. Many rear differentials have limited slip, but very few front ones do! That would be an AWESOME test. Still... This did eliminate the nissan murano for me. Test the Rav4 hybrid please! 2016-2018 vs 2019+
I have a 2020 Edge, loaded SEL in Burgundy velvet metallic color. I absolutely love it, great power, and ive driven it in some pretty hairy snow storms we've had up here in upstate NY, i currently have blizzak snow tires on it and I'll tell ya what, this thing is a beast in the snow and shitty situations.
Suzuki pulled out of the North American market after the 2009 Economic crash so no Jimny for us.... Super sad because it looks awesome. You can't even import one because the USA has a ban on importing non USDM vehicles newer than 25 years old. This is why there's currently a boom in early 90's JDM Kei car imports.
Good job, Tommy. Can you continue this test with another group? I'd like to see how the "non" wrangler Jeeps do as I am currently looking to buy something from Jeep, but even a best in class test would help. Thanks Bob/Okc
No real surprise with the Nissan Murano. Don't like either one of them but, If I had to take one? I would take the Honda. Thanks for the tests Tommy. Would have liked to see the 3 wheel slip test on the incline as well. But I guess suffice to say, if the Murano, didn't distribute the power on a slight incline, it would have been a disaster on an incline.
I'm one of those fool idiots ( lol) that actually take my old 2011 Escape off road. It had intelligent AWD system and I'm here to say it works very well. I've been in some pretty serious off road situations with it. I've actually had the rear corner WAY up in the air with one front wheel deep in a hole. The traction control has never let me down. I only wish there was a company that made modification parts for it, because Ive take the little Escape everyplace I took my 2000 Jeep Cherokee. It has 8.4" of ground clearance, you just have to remember that it has no skid plates.
3Seriez that’s a really good point! Never would I even consider any of these vehicles if I needed more traction. My gf just got the 2019 Murano and we live in Wisconsin. Looking forward to snowy conditions in this car. Aside from this traction test it drives like a dream. Super comfy, smooth ride, great mpg, great visibility...I’m tired of haters. It would be very boring if there were only 2 manufacturers.
In real life, inertia is your friend when traveling up slick mountain roads. The systems that “brake” the spinning wheels kill inertia, and nearly stop you when you need to move forward. I’ve been driving slick, ice and snow covered roads for 35 years. Brake systems stink.
Tommy - During the nissan test @ 8:36 you can see the front RIGHT wheel spin but with no traction, If you had all four wheels at the same height, it would be a more accurate test of traction control.
I would have tried throwing the Murano into AWD Lock mode.. i know on my Nissan Rouge sport which has the same AWD system.. iv used that and gotten out of some very deep snow. Would be interesting to re-try the roller test in AWD LOCK mode.
The problem appears to be that the Murano has an “open” rear differential and the traction control system lacks the ability to brake each rear wheel individually. So, unless “AWD lock” mode has the ability to lock the rear differential, it won’t sole this problem.
I have a 2020 Murano AWD, for some reason there is NO AWD LOCK feature. I had a 2017 Rogue AWD that did. It would automatically kick out at about 20 mph.
Can you guys do a midsize towing comparo? Mayne gather all these midsize crossovers with a 5000lb tow rating and run the gauntlet on them? Im thinking cherokee, passport, santa fe...
I have a 2012 HONDA PILOT 4WD with a 2” ReadyLift and 32” BFG’s and people always trip out when they see how capable the PILOT really is. Wether it’s snow, sand, rocky rutted out terrain the thing just claws it’s way threw.
Love how much you have grown as a channel, and the content you provide. I have to ask. Why in the world do we not get here in North America, the same cars that they get in Australia ? For example... The Ford Everest. It is like the ford explorer 5-7 seats. It has the same Intelligent 4WD Terrain Management, but with a little extra. When it is in rock mode, you get to activate 4x4 low range, and is has a rear dif lock. "4x4 low, and real lock" ? Boy we are so lucky to get the inferior ford models here.
umm i looked up a lot of chevy equinox models and the one that looks closest to the passport is the new 2019 one and honda has had that look for 3 years now, the 2016 pilot looked like that
Basik Vids the Ford looks the most feminine. Nathan and Mike from TFL said in the previous video that the Passport looks the best due to it looking the most Masculine. The Ford looks like all the other fords, which I guess is a bad thing.
I have a '14 Rogue with Michelin Defenders. It defaults to front wheel drive when driving but adds a little power to the rear when starting. It has a display that shows how it splits the power... It usually does around 90/10 when starting. I've deliberately put my Rogue into icy ruts, stopped completely, and never gotten stuck, even without using the AWD lock. The lock makes it more surefooted in the snow; it splits front and rear power 50/50 as you'd expect. The AWD lock automatically disengages at 20 mph. I assume this newer Murano has a similar setup. I'd really like to see how a Nissan does the 3 wheel slip test with the lock engaged. And if Nissan programs their AWDs to offer a little more power to the rear it would probably pass this test without using the AWD lock. Having said all that, I came here to check out the Passport AWD system and I'm impressed.
I had a 2017 Rogue AWD. It started 50/50 front/rear every time I checked with the instruments settings display, gradually shifting to 100/0 front/rear as speed built. I now have a 2020 Murano AWD, Muranos do not have the AWD LOCK feature.
Great Video and VERY INFORMATIVE...... was there a roller test done with one front wheel on the ground and the other 3 on the rollers? That seems to be missing???
Nice job Tommy! I would second the motion for "non" Wrangler Jeeps as I'll also be in the market. 2019 Renegade (if it ever shows up), Compass, Cherokee & GC would be awesome. (Assuming a QDII GC would pass & Locked Rear Diff Cherokee would too.) However, it'd be nice to see them all in action.
Can you please debunk the old "apply both gas and brake to get unstuck" myth using these rollers ? Maybe with your suzuki samurai as a test vehicule to avoid electronic interference. Please TFL
I had a Ford for 18 years, or should I say I worked on my Ford for the last 15 years that I owned it. I still have a 2000 Acura and other than taking it in to keep the warranty valid and recommended maintenance, it's never been worked on. I bought the 2019 Passport, because Honda has been forced to have a Fall Fire Sale, with $6,000 to 7000 off MSRP..
You guys should toss in the new Hyundai Santa Fe. Very few reviews & comparisons out there. Would be curious to see how their AWD system compares. Thanks as always for all the content!
That ford is hideous in my opinion the Honda is the best hands down and who is going to buy an suv for performance in this class no one would really care and anyway your getting Honda Reliability
They had Bridgestone Blizzaks a soft snow tire on the Passport gives it a big advantage I own a Ford Edge got it because the dealership gave me a great deal if I got the same deal with Honda I would take the Honda because of resale
Hey Tommy, would really like to see these three battle it out on a 100 + mile MPG loop. Will be in the market for a 5 passenger CUV in the near future and don't think the 2.0 Ecoboost can match it's EPA rating or the Passport. Prove me wrong!
I have a 2.0 Ecoboost 2014 Escape AWD ( ya... little lighter). BUT I get 32- 33 on highway @60 mph. Freeway. (75 mph ). It's drops to about 29. Combined highway and city I average 26mpg. Just in case your interested.
Honda wins. Ford a close 2nd. Nissan last but still quite good considering it only really got stuck when only 1 wheel had traction. Great test! But you should replace with or add 1 test: only 1 FRONT wheel has traction. That woud give some useful info. Afterall, the Honda says it can route almost all power to the rear wheels and THEN up to 90% of that ower rt or lt. But what about the front wheels? Please add that test.
Thank you for doing these tests, but I have a problem, with one of your tests, that is the last one, you need to do 3 tires on rollers with 1 front tire on pavement, as we have not seen traction control with the Honda! For all we know the Honda may operate like the Murano in this test and the only true winner here would be the Ford, or at least you could say no clear winner.
I have a Honda Ridgeline with the i-VTM-4, the thing is unstoppable. Thanks for the comparison.
Unstoppable on city streets maybe, but offroad you can forget it. The trans will overheat and shut down as tested by TFL.
tubatuba perhaps the new model but the 15 and older are unstoppable in the snow and off road. I had a 10 and did all three stages of tfl goldmine hill easily... with Michelin Defender all seasons.
tubatuba I have a 2012 HONDA PILOT 4WD and a few times every summer when it’s 115*-122* degrees outside, I drive from my house in Palm Springs, CA To Laughlin, NV purely off road taking nothing but off highway 4x4 trails; usually taking 6-8 hours, and I’ve never had any kind of issues with overheating of any sort.
Even my 13 year old daughter know better than to speak on what others say SMH
> Honda Ridgeline
> Unstoppable
tubatuba , TFL tested the Honda Ridgeline a 2nd time and it made it up Gold Mine Hill with no transmission overheating problems.
When I bought my Ridgeline 11 years old I had no intentions to go off road with it but it's good to know that it can .
Every vehicle will have its limitations , buy according to your needs and wants . Your the only one you need to make happy , have a nice day. 😎
The Ford Edge Titanium AWD *(w/ "Elite" package)* that you are testing makes me feel good about my purchase now, even though I might have paid more than I would have for a Honda Passport Elite. Thanks for releasing both reviews of all three vehicles over the past two days.
From a Land Rover Owner.
If I going to the Safari and I need to select one From those 3 .
base on this test
I take the Honda...100%
i would take an honda but nissan would be an better daily driver
Since you are a Land Rover owner, you may consider taking any of the car in the video, just in case your Rover breaks down. Sorry, just joking
@@DZ-cm5xw you're not wrong though lol
I knew the Passport was going to win BUT I didn’t expect the Edge to do as well as it did ( good job Ford) and I knew damn well the Nissan was going to suck.
Edge ain't really made specifically for off road
You are going with nissan
Murano is still better, sorry to burst your bubble lol
brad cast the murano is trash.... always has been.
@@daniellawless92 and that's why they are ranked best in class for midsize suv? LOL get outta here kid
Really good idea for a test! More videos like this! However, it seems like you could have added another few minutes and tested the different drive modes. While it’s certainly interesting to see the results in normal mode, it would be really cool to see the effects of the different powertrain programming.
Agree ;)
LOVED this test! Really showed what the AWD systems can do! Little disappointed of that Nissan’s AWD. But the Ford and the Honda did GREAT! Would absolutely LOVE to see these 3 beautiful vehicles go up gold mine hill!
Honda/Acura has always had one of the best AWD systems available in it's class range. Never had a problem with my Honda Pilot AWD.
Subaru is still better, but I agree. I like Honda and Acura better.
Audi stands above all of them. None of them can compare to Audi’s AWD System. I would never buy a Honda due to how horribly ugly every single model is and how slow they are.
Sorry, I would never buy any asian car because they’re designed poorly and none of them look as good as ANY German car has ever looked.
TheGoldenTheory I think Audi and Subaru All wheel drive are equal. I know this because my mom has a Subaru, and My dad had an Audi. They both preform very well. But obvi the Audi has better quality.
Caiden M-B I have an Audi and I’ve driven my friends Subaru and they slide all over the place lol. They’re not the same in any way. I drive through roads full of snow no problem, meanwhile all the other cars are sliding all over the place. Honda has also been known to have a fake AWD system, along with Toyota. Asian cars can’t match to European engineering.
My 2016 Mdx Sh-awd is similar to the Passport's awd system, and it's unstoppable in almost any road conditions.
Request to improve the quality of the test. Place a piece of White tape on the side wall of the tire, so that we can see how many times the wheel actually spun round before the car completes the test.
I just picked one of the spokes and followed it. I got tired of trying to count on the Nissan.
Good idea 👍
The developers at Nissan really need to see this. I feel like the computer program for the all wheel drive system can be tuned to overcome that
You can always make it more agressive like in Subaru but at the expense of fuel economy.
I just got a 2018 Edge Titanium. I love it so far! Gas mileage could always be a little bit better but the interior is beautiful and I have no problem fitting my 95 pound dog in the very back!
Hi! I wanna buy the same vehicle. But many info about rear lights (not properly fixed, vibration) & over sun roof (some plastic details vibration, noise) via rough road. Is it true?
Congrats! Its a great car, good choice
These tests are great. I’d love to see one on vehicles with different awd modes (e.g. x-mode or Jeep).
Love these tests. Cut's through manufacturer's hype and shows us actual results. Awesome........KEEP EM COMING please.
All 3 were very impressive for for simple testing and will suffice for daily use and patrolling parking lots, much better than the Toyota Highlander. Although the Murano is the oldest design there, it is still with proper tires will get you where you need to go. I've taken my previous fusion fwd with all season through a foot of unplowed snow no problem.
Recently, here in Pacific NW, we had SNOWMAGEDDON, 22 inches everywhere. I pulled out 2 Honda CRVs, 1 was in the ditch for 9 hours, driver still inside, 1 Subaru Forester, and 2 other F150s , 1 was 2x4, and the other just plain buried, with my 18 F150 5.0 4x4 supercrew. The 1 piece that really helps . . . . .REAR DIFF LOCKER. The wife has a 16 Range Rover LR4 and it also did amazing in the snow. Good tires make a huge difference too.
I got my wife a 2018 King Ranch 4x4 and so far this winter we have pulled out many cars and trucks
I pulled out dozens of cars and trucks in Feb 2018 with my F250. Most were idiots with summer tires that thought their pavement princess truck could handle the snow
Everyone’s bellyaching about the Murano but you have to remember it’s a passenger vehicle with AWD for road safety, not off roading. If you’ve lost traction on 3 wheels you have bigger problems anyway...lol
A Murano is a road vehicle that belongs at the soccer field... meanwhile I own two Muranos...
@@ATH-camChannelwithNoName My 2020 Murano AWD is in its element happily cruising 75-80 mph on interstates on cross-country road trips. If there's a bit of snow on an uphill entrance ramp it'll handle it.
I guess Nissan was lying. They said the awd system has all four wheel engaged to start? Obviously not true
Donald Megahan I’m sure it did, however the system probably sends very little torque to the back axle under that type of throttle input. That, and on the three wheel test he did; the traction control system has to effectively counter the fact that it’s an open diff and brake power from the spinning wheel and send it to the only wheel that’s on pavement. For the Nissan, their software likely doesn’t allow enough power to be sent to that wheel. Unless the dude driving wasn’t giving enough throttle. I’d be curious if he was flooring the throttle or not.
Maybe 10% power on takeoff
As a Ford guy, being outperformed by Honda is a relative constant. We were #1 and #2 in intial quality for years. Honda makes a hell of a car. Sad to say.
This is great. More comparisons like this!
I’ve worked at a Nissan dealership as a tech and also as a tow truck driver and I used to tow a lot of nissans and volkswagens and Chevrolet trucks but I had a few fords but not as much as the first three. I still think this was a good comparison and Ford has come from a long ways with the technology. Honda has always been good.
Now gold mine hill please!
BIG POPPA GETS IT!!!!
BIG POPPA yessss! Please TFL! Do Gold mine hill in all 3!
I’m sure there is way too much snow right now. Not sure how long they have these
You mean cliffhanger 2.0. 🤣
Ok I finished watching the video and I was right. I started watching and heard you talking about the torque vectoring in the passport and I own an older '15 Edge so Im a Ford guy and thats why I picked the Edge. I think the 3 wheel slip test is a a great way to test ANY AWD System! Kudos 😜
The Honda Passport did the best! WooHoo!
We had just bought a passport when a very wet monsoon season hit here in az, honda awd is flawles in many instances we were the only ones not slipping all over the road
I have a 2015 ford edge sel and that thing is a absolute monster in the snow. Even if its 8 to 10 inches up a hill.
The VTM-4 systems are underrated!
Soon as Tommy said one didn't make it, I knew it was going to be the Nissan. As a side note to TFL, I think those rollers need to be lubricated, you could see them smoke when the nissan was on there. The squeak suggest it needs to have some oil/grease added to the bearings. Love these videos though!
I was gonna say the same!
Tommy your getting so much use out of your rollers I think they need some grease! 😉😁
Hey, just use some of Roman's hair grease ;-)
I cannot believe these results! I’ve only had this Murano For 10 months, we’ve had some heavy snow here in Washington and while everybody else has been slipping and sliding this little Murano on all season tires has been a champ. Try another Murano maybe a defect
I've had mine out a couple of times this winter in heavy snow and had no problems.
Even in those type winter conditions, the occurrence of the exact scenario Tommy is simulating in the 3 wheel slip test from stationary is probably pretty rare.
Finally some good logic test. Please do this test for the the car you review, specially after the Gold Hill test.
Owned 3 AWD Muranos going back to 06. Currently have a 18'. Live in Chicago and NEVER had issues in snow here or in Northern Wisconsin where we go frequently. For those Ford fans dissing the Murano- remember the Edge was designed specifically to compete with the Murano after the Murano was stealing sales back in 05-06.
Is it to hard and difficult for you to assimilate that Nissan SUCKS!?
Just purchased two 2021 pp for me and the wife. We love them!
it didn't even look like power was going to all 4 wheels from a stop on the Murano unless it was just more to the front.
Live in the mountains of Colorado. Pretty close to these guys in Boulder. Our Murano is great in the snow and ice... Just saying. 24mpg in the city.
That’s the same with our 2015 Murano. Does great everywhere we take it. The most mpg we got out of our was 45 mpg. That was driving 2 hours to Tahoe and 2 hours back.
@@9fishwm yeah we love our 2016. So comfortable to cruise around in. The cool thing to do is to hate on Nissan right now. Ridiculous
Right! I have a 2007 Murano 200k still runs. My 2012 Xterra 100k still running strong. 2015 Murano 37k and still kicking.
23Xterra sorry but the VQ simply not capable of 40+ mpg.
F23A4 Accord If I can add a picture of it on here I would. It really got 45 mpg
These are useful things to know, not only the test results, but how they work both when in use and not in use. I also learned that Passport was like the Pilot, which is something I can consider because I love the J35 engine and powertrain for longevity and being a good actor all around. The Edge is a very nice SUV and reliable starting with April 2019 build dates and newer and can be had for an good price.
Honda has really improved their all wheel drive systems recently. Good on them.
I could of told you the Nissan wasn't gonna make it lol. Ford's awd system has always been pretty good, live in the northeast and its never left us down in our 2012 ford escape and 2010 ford Taurus SHO and we have 2 explorer for the serious stuff lol.
Agreed. My sis-in-law's been stuck numerous times in her 2013 Pathfinder. Not a whole lot of intelligence in their AWD system.
could of?
@Google User There's no way that the Murano has a locking diff....It's got a AWD Lock button. When engaged, it splits power 50/50 front/rear. It's not a locker.
The ford edge did it without a lock button. Why couldn't the Nissan murano?
@@NukePooch1 do u have snow tires
Awesome! Just subscribed for MORE SLIP TESTS.
But you guys need to add one final test.
Give just one front wheel traction, like you did with one rear wheel.
Many rear differentials have limited slip, but very few front ones do!
That would be an AWESOME test.
Still... This did eliminate the nissan murano for me.
Test the Rav4 hybrid please! 2016-2018 vs 2019+
I have a 2020 Edge, loaded SEL in Burgundy velvet metallic color. I absolutely love it, great power, and ive driven it in some pretty hairy snow storms we've had up here in upstate NY, i currently have blizzak snow tires on it and I'll tell ya what, this thing is a beast in the snow and shitty situations.
Great job, Never seen any test like this on TH-cam. Maybe next time you can test the 2019 Suzuki Jimmy vs Jeep Wrangler and g-class.
Suzuki pulled out of the North American market after the 2009 Economic crash so no Jimny for us.... Super sad because it looks awesome. You can't even import one because the USA has a ban on importing non USDM vehicles newer than 25 years old. This is why there's currently a boom in early 90's JDM Kei car imports.
Good job, Tommy. Can you continue this test with another group? I'd like to see how the "non" wrangler Jeeps do as I am currently looking to buy something from Jeep, but even a best in class test would help.
Thanks
Bob/Okc
I test drove a passport in really deep snow. It did awesome.
No real surprise with the Nissan Murano. Don't like either one of them but, If I had to take one? I would take the Honda. Thanks for the tests Tommy. Would have liked to see the 3 wheel slip test on the incline as well. But I guess suffice to say, if the Murano, didn't distribute the power on a slight incline, it would have been a disaster on an incline.
It might be interesting to add a large 2" round sticker (yellow, orange, red) to the tires to better follow the wheel spin.
Honda seemed to engage a lil bit faster than the Ford but both did good
That's because the Ford has a twin scroll turbo. But once it engages, its game over! 😉
Don Shew Huh? It shouldn't have anything to do with that, at least I wouldn't guess
Love these!!!! My Murano does very well in the snow, but def not an off road car lol
Get a Pathfinder
Why not the rogue instead of the murano....
I'm one of those fool idiots ( lol) that actually take my old 2011 Escape off road. It had intelligent AWD system and I'm here to say it works very well. I've been in some pretty serious off road situations with it. I've actually had the rear corner WAY up in the air with one front wheel deep in a hole. The traction control has never let me down. I only wish there was a company that made modification parts for it, because Ive take the little Escape everyplace I took my 2000 Jeep Cherokee. It has 8.4" of ground clearance, you just have to remember that it has no skid plates.
yall are saying which one you would take based on how it does here but will you really get into those same situations? Think about it!
3Seriez that’s a really good point! Never would I even consider any of these vehicles if I needed more traction. My gf just got the 2019 Murano and we live in Wisconsin. Looking forward to snowy conditions in this car. Aside from this traction test it drives like a dream. Super comfy, smooth ride, great mpg, great visibility...I’m tired of haters. It would be very boring if there were only 2 manufacturers.
Nice work Tommy, please keep it up!
It is amazing that in this day of technology that some premium car makers still cannot design an AWD system that actually works.
seriously. Three tires spinning, one not. Apply the brake on the spinning tire of that axle. Done.
@@kericks1991 yea lmao
In real life, inertia is your friend when traveling up slick mountain roads. The systems that “brake” the spinning wheels kill inertia, and nearly stop you when you need to move forward. I’ve been driving slick, ice and snow covered roads for 35 years. Brake systems stink.
By far the passport was the best,good review
Tommy - During the nissan test @ 8:36 you can see the front RIGHT wheel spin but with no traction, If you had all four wheels at the same height, it would be a more accurate test of traction control.
I would have tried throwing the Murano into AWD Lock mode.. i know on my Nissan Rouge sport which has the same AWD system.. iv used that and gotten out of some very deep snow. Would be interesting to re-try the roller test in AWD LOCK mode.
That would be to fair.
The problem appears to be that the Murano has an “open” rear differential and the traction control system lacks the ability to brake each rear wheel individually. So, unless “AWD lock” mode has the ability to lock the rear differential, it won’t sole this problem.
I have a 2020 Murano AWD, for some reason there is NO AWD LOCK feature. I had a 2017 Rogue AWD that did. It would automatically kick out at about 20 mph.
Good test
Can you guys do a midsize towing comparo? Mayne gather all these midsize crossovers with a 5000lb tow rating and run the gauntlet on them? Im thinking cherokee, passport, santa fe...
Ford’s 10th of a milliseconds really looks like 1 whole second. I’m not a fan of part time systems. The Honda with iVTM4 looked great!
The Murano needs to be equipped with the 4-R Package: The Range Rover Recovery Rig! :D
Which one has the most comfortable seats and ride? No one is really going to be off roading these thing's. It is a shame how cvt's kill power though.
I have a 2012 HONDA PILOT 4WD with a 2” ReadyLift and 32” BFG’s and people always trip out when they see how capable the PILOT really is. Wether it’s snow, sand, rocky rutted out terrain the thing just claws it’s way threw.
Beautiful comparison. Very thorough and well explained. I would love it if you can have (X drive vs 4 matic vs Quattro)
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing.
You have snow tires on the Passport but haven't taken it in the snow yet?!?
Is this the same passport that Nathan used in the passport vs rav4 vid??
I love these tests!
Love how much you have grown as a channel, and the content you provide. I have to ask. Why in the world do we not get here in North America, the same cars that they get in Australia ? For example... The Ford Everest. It is like the ford explorer 5-7 seats. It has the same Intelligent 4WD Terrain Management, but with a little extra. When it is in rock mode, you get to activate 4x4 low range, and is has a rear dif lock. "4x4 low, and real lock" ? Boy we are so lucky to get the inferior ford models here.
Ford is the best looking imo. That new Honda looks just like an old chevy equinox! The nissan just looks weird.
umm i looked up a lot of chevy equinox models and the one that looks closest to the passport is the new 2019 one and honda has had that look for 3 years now, the 2016 pilot looked like that
Basik Vids the Ford looks the most feminine. Nathan and Mike from TFL said in the previous video that the Passport looks the best due to it looking the most Masculine. The Ford looks like all the other fords, which I guess is a bad thing.
I’m thinking you missed the point of this video, entirely.
JonDZ Adventuring - “Ford looks feminine” drives a Subaru lol
I have a '14 Rogue with Michelin Defenders. It defaults to front wheel drive when driving but adds a little power to the rear when starting. It has a display that shows how it splits the power... It usually does around 90/10 when starting. I've deliberately put my Rogue into icy ruts, stopped completely, and never gotten stuck, even without using the AWD lock. The lock makes it more surefooted in the snow; it splits front and rear power 50/50 as you'd expect. The AWD lock automatically disengages at 20 mph. I assume this newer Murano has a similar setup. I'd really like to see how a Nissan does the 3 wheel slip test with the lock engaged. And if Nissan programs their AWDs to offer a little more power to the rear it would probably pass this test without using the AWD lock. Having said all that, I came here to check out the Passport AWD system and I'm impressed.
I had a 2017 Rogue AWD. It started 50/50 front/rear every time I checked with the instruments settings display, gradually shifting to 100/0 front/rear as speed built. I now have a 2020 Murano AWD, Muranos do not have the AWD LOCK feature.
I have a 16’ Pilot and trust me works great
Great video
I guess ford and passport, the fords all wheel drive system is top of the line for this segment, I know from experience
it will prob break in 2 years
No sh awd and ivtm4 by far and are obviously superior to ford awd systems and yes the ford will found on the side of the road dead in 2 years
*be found*
Nissan = Renault
No Thank You
Nice test. I Learn alot from all you guys! Thanks!
That's weird. Qashqai doesn't have such problems, new Renault/Dacia Duster also passes all tests.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes they did pretty well, but maybe it's the weight in combined with a cvt? Greetings from the Netherlands!
U really do hate Nissan, see u in every Nissan related video
@@martijnhoogesteger4466 I have no idea 🙂
I love the slip test! Please test more vehicles like the Jeep Grand Cherokee, and Mercedes 4 matic
Great Video and VERY INFORMATIVE...... was there a roller test done with one front wheel on the ground and the other 3 on the rollers? That seems to be missing???
I think the passport performed the best from the looks of the test.
Can you do this w an Acura W/ SH-AWD like a 2019 RDX please
Should be same results as it’s same system just named differently
@@noelsaw they’re tuned different
we need more vids like this.
Nice job Tommy! I would second the motion for "non" Wrangler Jeeps as I'll also be in the market. 2019 Renegade (if it ever shows up), Compass, Cherokee & GC would be awesome. (Assuming a QDII GC would pass & Locked Rear Diff Cherokee would too.) However, it'd be nice to see them all in action.
Honda has one of the best AWD systems available
I agree, the VTM-4 systems are impressive!
Honda is not an AWD expert. Honda is engine expert. The Audi and Subaru are AWD experts...maybe Toyota can be third but Honda not.
pindiwal no it’s up there but not topping Subaru and Audi but I call a third with sh awd and ivtm4
Let’s not act like we didn’t know the POS Murano was going to fail 😂
Can you please debunk the old "apply both gas and brake to get unstuck" myth using these rollers ? Maybe with your suzuki samurai as a test vehicule to avoid electronic interference. Please TFL
Very good information, I’m shopping for SUV, very helpful. Thanks
How did you get the nissan off?
He did not. So the Nissan is still over there.
I heard he had to hook the Ford to it at the end of the day.
@@matthewjackson3875 And then when the Ford broke down he hooked the Honda up and pulled them both off lol
What do you boys have planned for that Sweet ol Lincoln behind the camera? Would love a tour of that!!
I would love to see tfl buy a passport and build it for offroad
Great test!
I had a Ford for 18 years, or should I say I worked on my Ford for the last 15 years that I owned it.
I still have a 2000 Acura and other than taking it in to keep the warranty valid and recommended maintenance, it's never been worked on.
I bought the 2019 Passport, because Honda has been forced to have a Fall Fire Sale, with $6,000 to 7000 off MSRP..
You guys should toss in the new Hyundai Santa Fe. Very few reviews & comparisons out there. Would be curious to see how their AWD system compares. Thanks as always for all the content!
I tested previous gen of Santa Fe, it passed all tests, so new one shouldn't be worse.
Please compare the passport and RAV4 adventure on your dock ramp with loss of traction to three wheels
Thank you
Ford looks the best, and has excellent performance.
That ford is hideous in my opinion the Honda is the best hands down and who is going to buy an suv for performance in this class no one would really care and anyway your getting Honda Reliability
Great video!
They had Bridgestone Blizzaks a soft snow tire on the Passport gives it a big advantage I own a Ford Edge got it because the dealership gave me a great deal if I got the same deal with Honda I would take the Honda because of resale
Tires make no difference on tests like these
Hey Tommy, would really like to see these three battle it out on a 100 + mile MPG loop. Will be in the market for a 5 passenger CUV in the near future and don't think the 2.0 Ecoboost can match it's EPA rating or the Passport. Prove me wrong!
I have a 2.0 Ecoboost 2014 Escape AWD ( ya... little lighter). BUT I get 32- 33 on highway @60 mph. Freeway. (75 mph ). It's drops to about 29. Combined highway and city I average 26mpg. Just in case your interested.
I'm actually suprised that Honda has the best intelligent AWD.
Would the results be different if the three wheel slip test was replicated with both rear wheels on rollers?
Doesn't the Murano come with a differential lock? That feature should have been able to save it...if it had one.
Current gen Murano does not have lock switch.
What about 4wd lock for the Murano? Does it not have a lock option to get you out of such a situation? My rogue had a lock
I was wondering about that too since the AWD Lock button is below to Traction Control button.
Honda wins. Ford a close 2nd. Nissan last but still quite good considering it only really got stuck when only 1 wheel had traction. Great test! But you should replace with or add 1 test: only 1 FRONT wheel has traction. That woud give some useful info. Afterall, the Honda says it can route almost all power to the rear wheels and THEN up to 90% of that ower rt or lt. But what about the front wheels? Please add that test.
Cool idea
Agree ;)
Thank you for doing these tests, but I have a problem, with one of your tests, that is the last one, you need to do 3 tires on rollers with 1 front tire on pavement, as we have not seen traction control with the Honda! For all we know the Honda may operate like the Murano in this test and the only true winner here would be the Ford, or at least you could say no clear winner.
Just started the vid and I gotta say, no matter what...the Murano is SO friggin sexy...