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- In this hand the caller get's into a tough spot with an overpair but Bart takes issue with the way t hat he shaped the hand through his bet sizing.
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I'm never ever folding this spot. End of story.
I’m only folding to nits/OMCs. Any unknown you have to call. People do so much stupid shit live like show up with 77 here or random ace highs.
Precisely why you’re not as elite as I!
@@lucaferrieri3753 I don't every hand but AA and 72o. Fight me
" I couldn't find a bluff so I folded" This is the most hilarious shit I heard on this channel to date 😂🤣
Really, really good hand to go over. I see this weird play alot from rec players. I think the pot odds answer is spot on.
I love that people like this caller play poker haha
Does this mean he folded
So much to learn from your hand analysis !! thank you 🙏
The caller is the type of a player that thinks he thinks and plays on a high level, but is actually just a weak reg that doesn't read (exploit) live scenarios well enough. But kudos to him for calling in wanting to get better!
Clicked one of ur videos to watch while I’m in this online tourney and the callers from my hometown! Love the poker games there
Ive watched all your videos and haven't seen one that I don't like. Keep up great work Bart
I've had a pretty shocking run moving up to these stakes recently, however calls like this remind me that it's just variance :)
Guys like this caller are living proof that live poker will never die. He's been listening to Bart for at least a year, has even called in on the show and been featured in a youthbe video, and STILL doesn't know what an effective stack is.
This guy torches money at the table EVERY day he plays, guaranteed.
A nit torching money? Interesting. More like a small to medium loser.
Easy call, if you got me you got me. People at the low limits do weird things when the SPR is in this range. Also, I think you should be more inclined to call when you don't know the opponent.
just finished a poker sesh! learnt a lot from your channel and definitely improved my game!!!!
The villain table talk reveal contributes to my opinion that “The Hand” at HCL was not cheating.
Expecting a bad player to do things that “make sense” is a low probability event
Especially at bonita, never ever folding here
I’ve done that move so many times when I was a complete beginner. I figure I have an overpair to the board and I don’t want to face a huge river bet bluff and have to decide of villain has aa kk qq or just ak aq type of hand, so I jam all in thinking I’m denying them an opportunity to bluff them off my hand as well as thinking I can get better to fold aswell lol. Then I get shown a better over pair and feel dimb
Yeah, when I was a total noob who didn't know what I was doing, I would shove 1010 the way villain did. Just an "I'm confused and don't want to get pushed around" mindless shove. No thought of what worse calls, and what better folds at all. Ironically, he did get a better hand to fold, but clearly that's not what he was thinking.
Yeah… I used to bet a lot and if you asked me if I was betting for value or bluffing, I wouldnt be able to tell you lol
I've decided to work 100% on my poker game and my life. This is me starting.
Good luck!
Hope its going well!!
Same! What it takes to be good at poker are habits and skills that enrich and add value to many aspects of your life
How is it going?
How’s it working out for you ? Hope all is well !
It’s mind blowing how the term “effective stack” is misuse or not understand
You can’t even speak English bruh
Still nobody knows what an effective stack is lol I love these callers
good call. I feel like there is a type of low stakes player for which every hand until the river is a draw unless the nuts and when the river comes if they decide they have the best hand they overbet / bet too much to make up for value lost on previous streets. Not folding here.
I'd jam all in on the turn here or an oversized bet, only AA KK would call Hero preflop raise to set trap or reraise but he didn't
Put me in a game with this caller. Goodness. Horrible fold. Any 2 become a profitable bluff against this guy.
The move screams of a desperate attempt to get you to fold and he doesn’t know that he’s only repping a boat here.
And I’d have a hard time believing if he did have me beat, he’d just call turn after I double barrel, basically saying “I have a good hand”. They’d wanna get the money in.
Never, ever folding this.
I dont think the opponent knew what the fuk was going on either. 2 bad players. The old value bluff worked. I dont mind the fold in some situations
I really ran through every combo in my head and never put him on TT.
Side note - Bonita Springs is one of the most profitable rooms I ever been too
While I roll my eyes at people who scoff at the idea of “blockers”, this was one of those times that holding the Qd isn’t significant enough for me to alter my decision on the river(not folding the way it was played). But he stated that he would’ve def. called if he instead held black Qs…seriously???
I always thought people knew terms when they use them so confidently so for anyone wondering, the effective stack between two stacks is the lesser one. You could have $1000 the other player has $400. Only $400 of your $1000 stack is in effect.
Was thinking the same. Especially since he called before and obviously listens to Bart regularly.
I give him a break because poker has a ton of lingo only rivaled by the military and the financial sector. It's difficult to remember or know everything. He's probably learning by playing and watching others play.
From a learning perspective (at the 4:20 ish mark), I comment that i would have led for $75. When Bart says he would bet $75-$80, I 'know' I'm in the zone; when my bets are way off, then I re-evaluate why that is. Score Bart!!! :)
This is absolutely one of those spots where a good portion of the player pool has no clue what to do in UTG1 perspective OTR. Some players think that AK will call them down and some will think that they can get an overpair to fold to them. I think it's important to know spots like these, because a lot of players get put into a blender in tough spots.
*THE* “Poker term” of 2022… *PUT IN THE BLENDER!*
Or… *hate to see it/love to see it*
OTR?
@@mjriemen yessir. Rest assured that I'm gonna be putting villains in the blender
Thats exactly what I put him on. 10s or JJ. These players get scared on the river and just decide "Fuck it, I'm gonna go with this hand if he has me beat he has me beat I'm not folding anyway". Which if you look at it is interesting here because it's one of those merge bets that Bart talks about. Worse hands like Ax diamonds or Ace high could potentially (yes its a stretch) call, or he could get bigger over pairs to fold (which is also a stretch to me, but many of these players at this level are ultra tight and play scared). It's an interesting spot. With QQ I'm always bombing river or calling and if he's got it, hallelujah pay the man. Nice video call in.
Same!
Folding here is a big punt and a big leak in your Game. “If i had 2 Black Queens i would call” it s a suuuuuuper overraction to “blockers”.
Man I gotta get down to these FL games
Paused before the river to think about sizing. I think I downbeat again for about $160, 1/3 pot with a likely bet call line. Betting 2/3+ seems terrible because you can’t really bet fold but they don’t have many bluffs left you’re mostly just calling into the teeth of better hands and you get all the value from 1/3 with calls like 8x. The 1/3 sizing gives them room to bluff at the end as well and call with worse.
Edit: lol, effective stack totally wrong, totally fucks any analysis before this point. Bad error. Well I’m snapping that shove off with all the dead draws.
Edit edit: lol no, the takeaway is not call in Florida, it’s that this is a huge call.
Love my stomping ground of bonita springs
How did the Villain look when he went all in? What were his movements like when moving chips? Did you try and talk to him? So many opportunities to get a read.
"Fewer" combos, not "less."
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I'm no expert, but I wouldve bet 1/3rd pot on the flop because I would be betting a large percentage of the time due to my range advantage. Is this more of a value exploit for these stakes, or is there negligible range advantage when it plays out this way preflop with the UTG caller?
Great analysis, Bart. My logic would be this. If I was willing to get it all in pre-flop with QQ, there is nothing on the Board that should change my view. If villain is slow playing AA or KK, I’m losing no matter what. If villain is playing 88 or A4, A5, lucky them. But maybe I’m not smart enough to find a fold with that board.
While I don't tend to like the logic of if I was willing to do X on prior streets no cards that came should change that, here you just beat way too much of villian's range going into the river that they only need to be playing a small percentage of that strangely to make an easy call especially with diamonds missing.
They only have 9 logical value bets here from what I can tell (yes KK AA and 67s will very occasionally show up but it is rare) 44, 55, 65dd, A5dd, A4cc, A4hh, 88 x 3, they just have way too many other hands here that could be turned into weird bluffs or strange overplays with JJ (or even TT apparently though unclear what villain was doing there if they were telling the truth) that we can find 5 combos of bets we beat which puts us priced in and honestly I'm expecting to be good here over 50%
Bart: what would you have done if he checked to you on the river?
Caller: I was contemplating either checking or betting
😂🤣
Haha. Yea that comment really captured the essence of this call.
At least he wasn't contemplating folding
@@johngleue hahhaah
Bart, is there a down and dirty formula that you use to figure out how much to bet on each street to get all the money in by the river? thanks
Im pretty new to poker but consider this, " the KEY to poker is aggression, the SECRET to poker is folding ". Having said that i would call this because he kept calling i put him on 89 or 87s, , something he might open for $15 and keep calling. With.
Under bet if you want a call early. Over bet if you want a call late. The tricky part is bet size when you don't want a call.
Hey Tom! Hope all is going well down home. Would love to hear who the villain was in this hand.
A lot of people at these levels will hold onto that A high hand, hoping for a win, counting on a chop. They will play it like it is the nuts.
Hero should have call on the river all in
Lol, the old effective stack conversation. Haha
Never folding here. Before I reveal I told myself “I bet this guy has 99/1010 here and just thinks it’s the nuts”
That's what they call me at the table "Spaz Factor" 19:05
I basically ran into this same situation just today. Got rekt by 6 9 two pair when they pushed all in
Sometimes you have to call and lose in poker
Can't really be same or similar situation since he had 2 pair. In this configuration he can't have 2 pair that beat you, only a boat
Am I confused or does the caller not know what an effective stack?
Yeah it seems he thinks it means his own stack size.
No one does
I immediately thought the person could just be flopping around with JJ
From the flop I had him in tens or Jacks
Check/call, Check/call,, bet the river is a missed flush draw so often that calling so profitable that I need a massive read to fold
People need to stop overvaluing villain "having enough bluffs here" at live 2/5 games. They can and will find literally any two cards for a bluff, even in raised pots. Offsuited Jx Qx and Kx are all severely overplayed at these levels, to the point I see any face card being played or bet called way too frequently. Literally almost every suited broadway bluff or underpair can be here with a 3b pre.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 Yes, just making a note from a more general sense as things we see a lot at these stakes
I like Villain’s shove here but not for the reasons he stated. If I’m villain and I have 10’s or JJ’s here, and I know I’m calling the river regardless, then lead out and maybe you’ll get a fold by QQ’s thru AA with the pot size All in. Hero has to call here. He is getting 2-1 on a call so he needs to be good around 33% of the time. Villain has 88’s, 2 A4s combinations which makes his shove look legit. Have to call though!!
Nah wrong TT has good showdown and bluff catching properties find another bluff.
Having the Q of diamonds takes away opponents JQ KQ AQ suited. The jam from upfront is super sus though……. I think I’d have to call it off. Although I would went 1/3 for 3 streets or 1/3 3/4 Jam strategy.
There is a big difference between Queens and Kings. Kings heavily blocks Ace-King, and Queens does not.
I think AK is the perfect hand for the villain to bluff with here because it blocks both AA and KK. It's not too likely that the hero is going to check back the river if he's got a hand worse than AK (worse than any Ace because the board is double paired), so the villain shouldn't really be checking AK hoping that the villain checks it back and that he can chop or win the pot.
"I could not find enough bluffs here so I folded". If I were a coach, I would follow this up with a few questions:
1) Ok, so how many value hands do you find here?
2) How about value hands you actually beat?
3) And now, back to the bluffs - how many do you think villain actually does have?"
Guy is just a mega nit lmao Bart was too nice here
The bet sizing, the fold, the fact that he wouldn’t have got it in on the River if checked to
The guy called a raise in early position. If he re-raises then red flags go up. You’d have to put him on QQ,AK, JJ, TT. If the villain has A4s or A5s then that’s just bad luck. You gotta have heart. After all, it’s only money! You can make more.
Very hard to find a fold
Villain has a bunch of hands that hero can beat here including many bluffs. I'm calling there at a high frequency. You shouldn't make a decision just based on 1 blocker.
From the flop I put V on tens or Jacks. i am screaming call at the hero….
🤦♂️
I wouldn't rule out 99-JJ just because V tank called on the flop. bad players will consider raising overpairs in this spot
How is this a fold? He will shove his 10/10, JJ, 99. How tight is the hero here
Yeah, this is just a call on the river.
I think in situations like this he could lose some times sometimes you beat jj-99 and sometimes you beat ace high trying to get you off of a chop ??? Altogether you should win roughly half the time in a 3 bet flat pot range … so it’s always going to be a profitable play in the long term …
A4 is a four bet bluff fold to five bet same with a5 … I am that caller though and have such a hard time letting go
I agree with the bet size complaints on flop and turn, but for the river, I strongly think this is a fold against an unknown.
1. UTG raise (strength)
2. UTG calls 3bet (not necessarily capped if Villain is tight, some people flat to trap with AA/KK)
3. Checks-calls low board. Tank is potentially to think about raising.
4. Check-calls low board again. Tank is potentially to think about raising.
5. Leads all in, against someone who has bet twice on a very dry board.
- Pocket pairs we are beating: 99, TT, JJ would not do step 5. If Villain though hero was bluffing/drawing, then they should let hero bluff again on the river (since none of Villain's river value bets would do anything). If Villain thought hero was value betting, then they should definitely NOT shove into a better hand.
- Missed flush draws are few in number (UTG raise + call 3bet, removes a ton of the lower flush draws, mainly leaving only Ax).
- Very few missed straight draws (only possible ones on the flop, 76s and 56s got there)
All of these scream 88, Aces, or Kings that decided to play trappy, then rush to get all the money in on the river. Only reason to call, if we look at an exploitative standpoint, is that Villain is a fish. And if Villain was talking strategy the entire night, then they are much more likely to be fish.
My experience is 10NL online, so maybe that is different from live where people are more gamble-y? I think most fish (besides maniac fish) would be content to check-call (all in) on the river with 99+, and only lead shove with QQ+.
I'm a moron, so I probably couldn't find the fold, but I think you're right in that folding here isn't out of the question. UTG has to be pretty much the worst player of all time to play AK like this, which, hey, it's Florida, might be a real possibility. But just putting them on Ax sans any other knowledge of the player isn't smart. Why could they not have 88? AA? KK? 44? Which one of those hands *couldn't* play like UTG? Answer is probably none of them. In fact, I probably soul-read UTG as having KK. I still call though.
Pushing TT is desperation. He is afraid of facing an all in when checking and that's why he is pushing. I have seen that before.
Callers. You keep using that word effective. I don't not think it means what you think it means.
Whats worse is the caller has been playing for at least 1year.
I always wonder what people think effective means after calls like this.
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Curious about Bart saying if checked to him he all ins in this spot with QQ. You might get called by TT, JJ and 8x that you beat. I dont think any Ax will. And you definitely get called by AA, KK, 4x, 5x which you lose to. Is it just because of the pre flop play that he shouldn't have AA and KK? Trying to figure out sizing in those spots I usually end up going low risk there.
Yes.. explain
The other guy should basically never have AA or KK and should rarely have a 4 or 5. The hands that he could have gotten to the flop with that do contain a 4 or 5 are logically much less likely now that half of those cards are on the board (and therefore not in his hand). Also he likely would’ve raised at some point with a 4 and folded most of his 5s on the flop. A hand like JJ-99 and AK are just way more likely.
He shouldn’t have AA or KK after flatting the 3bet OOP. He has lots of JJ/TT/8x to get value from, with only some A4s, A5dd, 88, 54hh(?) that beats us.
That being said, I’ve seen so much “trapping” at 2/5 where bad players are too scared to ever 4bet anything, so I’d consider checking back the river if checked to because so many of these people have AA and KK in range even when they shouldn’t. Hell I’ve seen plenty of multi way SRPs at my local 2/5 where one of the flatters ends up at showdown with AA…
You could be called by 66-JJ, any Ax hand, or any 8x hand.
Since villain called a 3-bet he should not have many hands, so let us consider a rather narrow range of QQ-77, AK, AQ, AJs. You lose to 88 and split with QQ and win against the rest. Which hands will call though? Since Ax is splitting with AK it might be all of them or it might be only QQ, JJ, TT, 88. But even in the latter case you lose against 3 hands, split one and win against 12!
If you consider a wider range it gets more interesting, since you suddenly get a lot of calls by 8x, 99 but also 76s, A4s and possibly A5s. You also get al lot more calls of A-high (If you play a loose range pre-flop you sort-of have to get more sticky post-flop since otherwise you would fold too much on flop, turn and river).
The point of calling in is to get answers. Not to show off how amazing you are. The asshats flaming him for making a mistake are the reason recs quit playing.
How the crap do you fold there???
This hand generated 25k views as well
7:20...$180 would call here as well as $120 bet. Why??
call easy call
Never under estimate the Bad Plays made at the lower 1/3 and 2/5 levels. People just Spaz Out and do stupid shit.
I want to play at the table
Put me in coach!!!
I know!
Really barts whole point about bet sizing doesn’t really apply since the caller fucked up the effective stack size and spr would be way different
Bart's whole sizing thing is pointless at low stakes anyways. Good hands = bet more. Mosrt people have no clue whast going on anyways.
I swear to god before he revealed I said this is tens or jacks 100%. These 2-5 games are not as tricky as we think. He clearly didn't have aa kk only a4 suited is the hand that I'd say maybe and that's wat 2combos? I'm never folding qq to pot sized jam. Maybe ina big game like hustler vs Garrett n others that are competent n have broader range. 2-5 this is a call 99x100
that's weird
Here’s money. No thank you.
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Flaming
Caller: “his effective stack was lower than mine” 😂
Also caller: I call with black queens bc I don’t block the flush draw. I couldn’t find any bluffs so I folded. 😂
Doesn’t know what effective stack means but understands blocking properties
Hero is screaming over pair, villain is screaming???
Tens, jacks, from the flop
@@jack42011 Villain was playing his hand face up all the way through. Such a bad lay down by hero.
Good vid!
The moral of the story is… You can’t beat doofus players at low limit poker by overthinking the mathematics!
These type guys are the bane of my poker existence! !!’
If you have some Poker knowledge….Go with you gut!…… a dufus will try to f**k you ! That would be your lesson!!!!
Thanks Bart…. Please give us low limit Rec players some consideration!
This is such a fucking nitty fold. How do these people make any money playing poker?!
A d ? Robbie and garrett remix ?
For some reason the way he said what his hand was, was the most obnoxious thing I’ve heard in a while.
caller made up the hand and still played it bad... #pokerisdead
I just realized why I get bored with your videos. They're too slow. You went over and over the same material. I start feeling like I'm wasting my time. You're good. Please pick up the speed so we can learn more.
Maybe it was acting. Claiming to jam TT to look like a complete idiot
Caller is not good at telling a story.
Please stop exposing Florida poker for the absolute fish fest that it is
The 1 time you call and he has 1010 is way less frequent then the 99 times he has a 4 or 5. At 2/5 when people shovel money in the pot they have it, the vast majority of the time. Maybe if its some young arab splashing around you call but this is an exploit fold all day.