Ordered a 2024 Premium Forester some 4 weeks ago. Delivery time is 8-10 weeks. Dealer did not have in stock (nor one in their pipeline) as I wanted Ice Silver Metallic. I'm age 71 and do not care for the touchscreen, rather prefer physical buttons. Really like the outward visibility.
You'll love it. I have '21 Sport and the ergonomics of the interior are perfect. Functional tech that lets you keep your eyes on the road. I don't understand why safety-focused Subaru is installing that abomination of a touchscreen on all models.
I am puzzled with the addition of the touchscreen also. AT age 71 I do not need to be fumbling with the touchscreen while driving. I was just notified Monday my Forester Premium is scheduled for delivery either late this week or next week. I'm really looking forward to receiving it.
Congratulations on your new vehicle. At 68 I feel similar to you on the upcoming new screen. The layout of the infotainment and environmental controls on the 2024 appear integrated into the vehicle and not an afterthought. I just dislike that tablet sticking out of the dash look on other manufacturers vehicles. I just put a down payment on a Touring addition yesterday and will take delivery either end of the week or first week of the New Year. After nearly 35 years of driving a cargo work van I wanted to enjoy a few extra options as this is my retirement vehicle. Like you I am happy I went with the 2024 Forester.
I believe you will enjoy your 2024 Forester. I have had mine now a couple weeks and am amazed each time I drive it. I traded in a 2017 Toyota RAV4. Just the outward visibility I now have is so much better than the RAV4. Quiet vehicle.....good ride....comfortable. The Blind Spot Warning is something I never had before that greatly improves safety. I have the Premium trim Forester with a few added options. Best vehicle I have owned, as in the past I would only purchase the base level trim in any vehicle. Checked the gas mileage yesterday...averaging 29.6 mpg and this is largely short trips..
One thing to consider.... I bought one of the last 2023 Subaru Crosstreks. [A 6 speed] The 'generation' of the Crosstrek that I bought has been made since 2018 so no problems are expected. And none have shown up. The all-new 2024 Crosstrek has had a few problems. But that's how it is with any all-new model. I would expect that the all-new 2025 Forester to have some problems too. Where as the 2024 Forester should prove to be problem free.
I had the 2014 and was quite pleased. Now I’m getting the 2024 with the same drive but more. The 2025 is blah….not a ground breaking suv. I thought at least a second engine setup. So I’m happy that I chose the 2024.
How many miles/KMs did u put on the 2014? ....and did u ever change the transmission fluid or just leave it original like Subaru says? (Lifetime fluid)
I had 155,000 km and did a transmission oil change at 100,000 km. Subaru had sent out a message that there might be an issue with the transmission but I had no issues. Hope this helps
@@nore8141 Thanks, it does help👍. My 2017 Crosstrek/XV has 130,000 KMs so far & I want to keep it (& see how long it lasts) cause it's been the perfect car for me. I will get the fluid changed now 😊
This young man continues to impress with every review. His attention to detail is obvious. But importantly, he is able to keep his reviews interesting, without fluff that makes me sign off other reviewers. Nevertheless, if you like to drive cars, then you want enough acceleration for the occasional sporty merge, or to be able to pass on a two lane without worrying about oncoming traffic. I would have liked there to be a Forester with more power, and the comment below about the 2015 ST is supportive of this view. Of course sportiness with a turbo will come with worse gas mileage and more expensive upkeep; but it would make for a better daily driver....if you enjoy daily driving. The issues of the windshield cracking really bothers me, and I am repeating what the Car Wizard has mentioned, that calibrating "Eye Sight" has not been an easy task, though I think Eye Sight as a safety measure is awesome. I continue to follow his videos because of their consistent excellence, and every time I watch one, I want to go out and buy a Subaru. SUBARU, are you listening? Maybe this guy should be doing commercials for you.
Thank you! Maybe a Toyota hybrid system (maybe from the venza with 240 hp) could make its way into the upcoming hybrid forester since they probably won’t go turbo against. The base engine is enough for most but having that option for the xt was awesome in the past for people that lived at high elevation or wanted more passing power!
@@Realistick I have a 2019 Outback. I only have 25,000 miles and in great shape. I always had a thing for buying new cars. I test drove the 24 outback XT. Road very nice but many reviews the people raved about it. Some said stay away from the Turbo. They make the engine very hot and in time you can have problems. They also mentioned Turbo lag. I like the looks of the Forrester and I am going to test drive it tomorrow. I would get the XT. Before I bought my Outback I read all reviews. Many said they loved the car and some complained about the 4 cylinder having no pep. Go with the v6. Well, I bought the 4 cyl. and what pep that car has. My sister drove it one day and said to me, boy is that car peppy. She has a CRV. Am I making a mistake going from the Outback to a Forrester?
thanks for the video, actually I just convinced my folks to get a 2024 Touring Forester, right before the reveal of the new one, and was worried I might have steered them in the wrong direction by advicing them not to wait for the 2025 model. Glad to hear I made them make the right choice!
You made the right choice. Getting the last model year of the current generation is only bad if said generation was flawed or you care about having the latest design and technology to show off. The 2024 model is essentially the current generation(which has been a great generation) in it's best form, with all the bugs and defects worked out.
@@panzer_TZ totally agree, I was actually worried if it came with a completely beautiful design (think BRZ-SUV) or a much improved drivetrain (hybrid + turbo or something). But I can see why Subaru left it largely the same, and if they see the new one and want to get it, they can do so in a couple of years when most initials bugs would have been worked out.
This channel just may have the best reviews. The Subaru Forester just may be the best value. She might not be the prettiest girl at the dance. I would have no problems sporting her around town or driving her hard off in the woods. Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!
The prettiest girl often has no clue how to perform basic skills such as cooking, cleaning, sewing, etc. You get a pretty face, but lose on nearly everything that actually makes a difference. Just my 2¢.
IMO, the interior is under rated. It looks great and feels upscale with mostly soft touch materials. So many have gone to a dash that looks like a 4x4 with a tablet bolted on top. Yet those terrible looking dashes/interior get love as being nicer and upscale when in reality they look like a 1974 International Scout.
After seeing - and hearing about - the ‘25😒, I opted out of waiting and got a ‘24 (“goofy”) Sport. I once was in the “AWD is unnecessary” camp, but after getting my daughters older model Subarus, ‘13 Impreza hatchback, and ‘04 Legacy Outback (classic!), I was converted. Your reviews also helped!
Subie is the only real AWD car You can buy.........Others only pretend...Driving only the front wheels 99.999 percent of the time.................Til You actually get stuck..And then only grudgingly give You a very small amount of power to the rear..............Paul
@paulholterhaus7084 My ford sends 70% of the power to the rear when it needs to. You act like every car out there will get stuck. Yeah my car is fwd but can switch to awd in milliseconds. It also uses awd way more that 1% of the time. Anytime I turn or force power to the rear it will be awd.
I test drove a Forester and the armrest and cup holders were extremely low. But in this video they looked at more normal level, makes me wonder if I adjusted the seat wrong. 😂
I enjoyed this video. You make some excellent points. One thing I will miss is the little secondary screen that sits atop the infotainment screen. I just think that's so cool.
When I first saw that secondary screen area, I thought it was a warming spot for my Happy Meal. Turns out, there's all kinds of great information there, which I really like.
Yeah, Looks like I will be keeping my 2022 Touring for a bit longer than planned. By the time the hybrid comes out it will likely be out of my price range. Maybe I will downsize to a Crosstrek Hybrid come 2028.
Less wind noise, better steering, more comfortable seats, ventilated seats, and (maybe) more trims with a heated steering wheel are the wins for the new model. Dislike the new looks, hate the new screen, and hate the new price. All things considered I'd still pick the current gen. (Especially in Cascade Green Silica) Very happy with our '21. The great visibility can't be overstated. Hope they didn't ruin that too.
Better safety is always a reason for the newest models. This one will probably pass all the new crash tests with flying colors. Current gen didn't do so well for a subaru.
@@Gopinathk17 I've seen similar claims. Have to assume a warranty issue had developed with those. Our runs about 60% highway and has been averaging 31 mpg.
If Subaru wants to do something revolutionary with their vehicle line then they need to dump the CVT and mate those boxers to a real transmission. (Perhaps, Toyota could assist if necessary.) This move would allow Subaru provide a secondary revolutionary update - a manual transmission.
Hi. As a Subaru fan from Europe I can see great attention to detail and understanding of the issues tackled. We have a very limited range of engines and versions available in Europe (e.g. Forester and Crosstrek are sold only with a 2.0 L mild-hybrid engine which sucks in terms of acceleration) due to a small number of units sold by Subaru in Europe plus the outrageous exhaust norms applied in the EU market. And Subarus are way pricier in Europe, starting at about 40% higher price than US.
Got a 23 Forester premium has BSM package with heated seat and sunroof that's all I want AND not a giant center screen which I don't like it. AND I had good deal 😚
Topgun vehicle for extending driving for seniors. (65+) ✅ 1) Best visibility of any car 2) Best safety system of any car 3) Best collision protection of any car 4) Best ingress/regress of any car 5) Best drowsiness detection of any car
One of the clearest and most concise reviews on TH-cam. Not a fan of CVT's. The 2015 Forester ST has a turbo and more HP. Subaru should make one with a turbo and a standard transmission.
Got a 24 premium the only thing I don’t like is the small screen. I might look into installing a used one from a sport model (if larger) if at all possible
I just picked up my ‘24 Forester last a week ago today. Base model with the optional wheels and roof rack. Plus I toyed mine up a bit with options. Sure, for what I paid for it on the final price, I could have went premium. But I didn’t want the moonroof and I’m not a big fan of push button start keyless entry. Mine was built to order with simplicity, practically, with a bit of light to moderate off-roading in mind. I highly recommend this years model before the ‘25. But hey, it the ‘25 has what you want looks wise and I guess different steering, if that’s your jam then go for it. But this model year does more that what I was expecting and then some. Couldn’t be happier. Just a side note.. If you order one to your likes and specification or buy one from the dealer that they ordered, just keep in mind that ALL ‘24 Foresters DO NOT OFFER A CD PLAYER as standard anymore. And in under the assumption that will carry over to the ‘25 model year as well.
I’m in the market for a new car, and the main thing swaying me away from Subarus is that touch screen. Subaru has never been one for high tech, so I do not understand the move away from physical buttons and knobs. I enjoyed everything about the Outbacks I test drove, but I just cannot picture having to rely on that touch screen for the next 8-10 years.
My wife had an 18 legacy with buttons. We went out of town and rented a car, a 22 legacy that had the touch screen. I complained about it the entire time.
@@JeffreyHall-n9s i drove my friends’ ‘24 forester a bit, but it’s significantly more upright than I typically prefer. I’m that weirdo target demographic for adventure wagons - I want the space, the convenience, but also want to be able to load and unload the roof rack with little effort. Otherwise you’re totally right.
My 2024 Forester Wilderness should be delivered by the end of December …much happier with the older infotainment …buttons are just fine and with muscle memory you can adjust anything and not have to take my eyes off the road. It’s going to be a keeper ..last of the five generation …I’m so happy with my decision ..way to go Subie
Interesting. My dealer told me the CVT is a sealed system and not to touch the CVT fluid until at least 100K. It's not easy to do, but wondering if anyone else has knowledge regarding fluid change?
The engineers recommend fluid changes, the dealers do not - I say listen to the engineers. The dealer may not perform the service, but a local Subaru tech will have no issue.
Just changing my (2014 Forester) fluid at 130K…i believe it was changed by the dealer under warrantee at 30k maintenance. My 2014 is like new (i bought her new) and will hopefully take me another couple years down the road. Then I hope to buy a 2024. my service guy said he couldn’t get the bolt loosened to drain the CVT fluid, so makinging another, longer appointment. Said he would need to do something because the fitting was stripped. Funny, the only change ever was done by the dealer. What’s that all about. Soft aluminum part? @@DestroyAllWarnings
For the Manufacture Lifetime sealed unit is as long as your major power train warranty. In Japan CVT service 36,000 miles. In Canada the fluid is to be changed at 80,000kms or 50,000 miles.
4:27 Thanks for the cargo area linear (read: useful) measurements. Question, is the width of 42.5" that of the hatch opening, or between the wheel wells?
Like everything else out there in the segment, there are trade-offs. I've driven both the '24 Forester (with the knobs) and the '24 Outback with the giant touch screen and no knobs. Context: Looking for a replacement for my '14 Forester XT. I'm a big fan of the giant knobs for HVAC and audio system. I was not a fan of the tiny controls on the new screen, and having to not only find the tiny buttons, but toggle the fan speed and temperature up by repeatedly pushing the buttons. (No wonder we need lane keeping and auto braking. Everyone is busy trying to find the damn tiny buttons!) The '24 Forester has a "sport" mode, and it can be activated via a button on the steering wheel. On the giant screen on the Outback, the sport mode is two screens deep. Hardly convenient. And for all the ballyhoo about the '25 Forester, they soldier on with the same drivetrain that I could have gotten in 2014. They are falling behind. The 2.5 L provides what I'd call "adequate" power, but nothing extra. In the heavier Outback, it is "lacking". Too bad they don't flavor the vehicles a bit more to the trim level. My XT came with bigger wheels and tires (18") than the 2.5 drive train, as well as bigger brakes and a more sport tuned suspension. Why can't the "Sport" have a tuned suspension? In the Outback XT, IMO, they whiffed. Only the drivetrain is different. No upgrades to suspension or brakes to go along with the extra power. The extra HP gained via the 2.4 turbo (vs my 2.0 L turbo) is more than defeated by the extra weight of the Outback. The Forester felt more nimble than any Outback I drove (all on same day), with perhaps the exception of the Forester Wilderness, which felt a bit more sluggish in steering. Hoping the hybrid brings some extra power. The Mazda cousins (CX-5, CX-50) are running on older drivetrains too. Still using a 6-speed automatic, and it's not that quick to shift or smooth. The CX-5's back seat has horrible leg room and is difficult to climb into. The CX-50 offers more. With back seat folded down, neither Mazda comes close to the volume of the Forester (or Outback). The CRV is cavernous too, but if you get the hybrid, towing drops to 1,000 lbs and there is NO spare tire.(They had to use the space for the hybrid hardware). Kudos to Subaru for the adaptive headlights (turn with steering inputs) and fog lights. Some of these so called "SUV's" no longer offer fog lights (Mazda, Honda). Honda has little rectangular trim where fog lights SHOULD be, but they are just color accents.
@scottanthony3426, I see what you mean with the 24 Outback touchscreen. I think it could be a little dangerous to with everything on the touch pad. I didn't know the 24 outback has a sport mode. I have a 2019 outback and it doesn't have a sport mode I don't think. I did test drive the 24 outback yesterday and i found it rode a little better than my 2019. I also like the looks of the 24 Forrester. Some say Turbos heat up and put a strain on the engine, and of course don't get as good gas milage as the regular engine. Many said don't get the outback in a 4 cylinder. Get the V6. I got the 4 cylinder in 2019 and that engine has more than adequate pep. That car moves and I am not a fast driver.
all I ask is for the new wilderness to come with a traditional automatic transmission at least, so it can have a good low range gear ratio. A locking diff would be to cherry on top but I highly doubt it
I hate having EVERYTTHING in the touchscreen. . .you should be able to turn down the heat and heated seats by touch. I think everything in a screen means you have to look down to find the correct buttons.
My only “issue” if you can call it that is that the ‘25 kind of looks like everything else. I’m sure it’ll be of excellent quality but it just doesn’t look unique. On the other hand maybe the Wilderness version, if there is one, will look pretty good.
Yes, the 25 Forester looks like the current Honda CRV (yawn). Might be worth it getting one of the last 2024 models. I'm sure they will raise the price on the 2025 Forester just like what happened to the CRV in 2023.
I just drove a 2024 crosstrek because my 21 Crosstrek was in the shop for a recall so the dealer loan one to me , to be honest I hated it the touch screen sucks you can't change any settings like radio if you in a different section I have to hit the home button every time. Also the screen up on the dash that tells u the temp of the oil and water is normal is gone they took it off. I love my little screen . The other thing is the seats r not good either headrest don't move forward so my head is uncomfortable. Mine I can pull it forward so my head is comfortable. So I won't be buying a new Subaru for a long time until they change it.
I test drove a 2024 forester and it was extremely bouncy and not smooth at all. The cup holder and the arm rest were very low in relation to my seating position and I couldn’t even use the armrest. Makes me wonder if I didn’t adjust the seat correctly.
No turbo no care. We have a 2018 XT Touring and haven’t seen a Forester worth trading for, hoping the new one gets the turbo. The current Gen is way too slow.
If you can pick up a 2023/24 at great price I'd say buy one. The only caveat would be resale value after the the launch of the 2025 model. Unless of course you want a hybrid.
Valid! Though I might add, resale drop affects other brands much more than Subarus, my parents got 21,900 for their 2021 crosstrek with 50k miles that was 28k new when they were upgrading to the 2024 model. Their car may have been worth a little more before the redesign but a small hit nonetheless!
the 2025 Forester is so bland it will blend in with all the other nondescript SUVs on the road. Yes it will have better safety features which is always a plus, but with the huge infotainment screen forcing the driver to look away from the road when trying to change settings, well that is a big safety fail from Subaru.
i'm picking up my '24 brand new on saturday-- i think the '25 is horrendously ugly, and the dealers near me are doing crazy deals to get rid of the '24s!
if the price is right ? Subarus are good Cars, unfortunately they are very expensive in Europe and thats why they sell a very low number here. Thanks 😀
we purchased the 2024 Forester Base, This car gets no where near the stickered MPG! If anybody knows of a class action litigation, let me know as we would like to join! anybody else have this problem?
First I've heard of that, I'd contact subaru corporate if the dealer won't help! A class action only works if a lot of other people report it and I've only heard complaints with the turbo models regarding mpgs. Also, it could very well be driving habits (short trips where the engine isn't warmed up for half the drive, highway cruising at 75 mph or more, etc.)
The best the car has gotten is 20.3 MPG 1 time. Average is 18 to 19 MPG, the car has only seen the freeway 1 time, that was when we drove it home, where it is now a yard ornament. we do not like the car because of that start stop bull cr*p, install the start stop delete voids the warrantee, so it sits by our choice. . @@Realistick
@@surplusdoctor Your comment is completely fabricated. I have a 2023 Forester Wilderness which isn't quite as good on mpg as other Forester trims and I'm averaging 24 mpg in the dead of winter, with sub zero temps. Also, you can turn auto start stop off. There is a button to do this. So what are you even talking about? Stop making up stories. No one buys a vehicle to sit in the driveway. Clearly trolling for attention and fooling NO ONE.
@surplusdoctor. Are you kidding me. How could you not get good gas milage? If your looking for gas milage as in a Hybrid, you should have bought a Hybrid.
@@artistgamer3040 What complainers they are surplusdoctor. How could they not get good gas milage in a Forrester. Why don't they just get a Hybrid then. You just can't make everyone happy.
Guys... I need your urgent help. I went to Go Langley Subaru in BC Canada and fell in love with a Subaru Forester Sport. Promised them I shall go back today and book it; and if possible take delivery. I came home and searched for a video to share with my dad back home. I chanced upon the 2025 variant that's just around the corner...as per Subaru, launching in Spring 2024. Now I am totally lost. Should I buy the 2024 or but the 2025? I don't mind the 1000 dollar increase, but the touch screen looks nice and overall the 2025 feels more premium from the videos. What should I do? Thanks in advance
I am only telling you what I am doing, not what to do... I am waiting for the 2025 hybrid which is expected to have over 200 hp, a far longer driving range, and much better fuel economy using the Toyota hybrid system mated to the Subaru Boxer engine... the only reason I haven't bought a Forester yet is, to me, the anemic gas Boxer engine.
I love everything about the 2025 but the infotainment system. I hate the large touchscreen. Honestly the same layout as the last model but an updated system that offered wireless android auto and Apple car play would have been all I needed. I want buttons not a screen to control things while driving. That darn screen is stopping me from wanting any of their lineup that got that dreaded slab. They offer the tiny screens to but it just looks ugly having a flat surface with 2 screens and no perks of better audio.
I hope Subaru has fixed the woeful bluetooth system where your apple watch bluetooth interferes and needs to be disabled before you can play music from your iphone. This is a long standing problem which they seemingly don’t give a sh!+ about.
I bought a 2024 Forester Touring. After awhile, it’s a great vehicle, but the front is absolutely ugly. It’s all about aesthetics. I dont think it’s that comfortable either. Should have bought a Outback XT
Not sure, but they all look identical to each other, cross track, Impreza, etc., why do they even have different names? Besides, the RS on Subaru is overrated and doesn't have enough umph as presented. Same with GR series on Toyota.
Not a perfect car....But My favorite........I'm driving My 3rd in 10 Years.......Just like new stuff.......I've been hoping for a really nice Hybred since I retired 12 Years ago.........Am 80 and now wondering if i''ll live to see it....Paul
As i said in the video, the new one is undoubtedly better, but the old one is the last subaru to have an abundance of physical controls and (likely) the last to undercut the competition on price too.
Touch screen everything is dumb. This version has enough and I don't even care about it because I use the phone anyway. Also, consider that Subaru will remove features if your state passes a right to repair bill, shame on them
This isn't pitched as a comparison, the title is "buy now or WAIT for 2025," if I could have gotten them together, I would have, and then I would have made a comparison.
This suv is one of the most disappointed car/suv we have. For the price they sold you can get a Lexus. On a limited trim only driver side seat has power adjustment. Under power and whinny noise struggle to accelerate when needed. There is no option to get better engine. The annoying start/stop feature that you have to turn off manually everytime after you started a car otherwise this crap will stop in middle of the long city traffic light. Imagining this ruining or shortening life of starter motor and battery. Try driving with start/stop that on the Michigan Street in Chicago it will drive you mad. To fill the gas you have to unlock all doors since there is no machanical lever. Imagine you are in the bad neighborhood and an attacker will jump in your can when all doors are unlocked. May not be an issue in Japan but in Chicago you are asking for a car jack. Stay way from this car since you will get better bang for your buck elsewhere.
One of the clearest and most concise reviews on TH-cam. Not a fan of CVT's. The 2015 Forester ST has a turbo and more HP. Subaru should make one with a turbo and a a non-CVT transmission.
Ordered a 2024 Premium Forester some 4 weeks ago. Delivery time is 8-10 weeks. Dealer did not have in stock (nor one in their pipeline) as I wanted Ice Silver Metallic. I'm age 71 and do not care for the touchscreen, rather prefer physical buttons. Really like the outward visibility.
You'll love it. I have '21 Sport and the ergonomics of the interior are perfect. Functional tech that lets you keep your eyes on the road. I don't understand why safety-focused Subaru is installing that abomination of a touchscreen on all models.
I am puzzled with the addition of the touchscreen also. AT age 71 I do not need to be fumbling with the touchscreen while driving. I was just notified Monday my Forester Premium is scheduled for delivery either late this week or next week. I'm really looking forward to receiving it.
Congratulations on your new vehicle. At 68 I feel similar to you on the upcoming new screen. The layout of the infotainment and environmental controls on the 2024 appear integrated into the vehicle and not an afterthought. I just dislike that tablet sticking out of the dash look on other manufacturers vehicles. I just put a down payment on a Touring addition yesterday and will take delivery either end of the week or first week of the New Year. After nearly 35 years of driving a cargo work van I wanted to enjoy a few extra options as this is my retirement vehicle. Like you I am happy I went with the 2024 Forester.
I believe you will enjoy your 2024 Forester. I have had mine now a couple weeks and am amazed each time I drive it. I traded in a 2017 Toyota RAV4. Just the outward visibility I now have is so much better than the RAV4. Quiet vehicle.....good ride....comfortable. The Blind Spot Warning is something I never had before that greatly improves safety. I have the Premium trim Forester with a few added options. Best vehicle I have owned, as in the past I would only purchase the base level trim in any vehicle. Checked the gas mileage yesterday...averaging 29.6 mpg and this is largely short trips..
I just leased a 2024 Premium Forester for my 87 year old dad. 100% he was super happy with physical buttons and easy climate controls.
Love my 2024 wilderness ❤.
We just did the 5 year dealer service on our 2018.Forester
$3500. Just so you all know
3rd brake job in 85000KM
One thing to consider.... I bought one of the last 2023 Subaru Crosstreks. [A 6 speed] The 'generation' of the Crosstrek that I bought has been made since 2018 so no problems are expected. And none have shown up. The all-new 2024 Crosstrek has had a few problems. But that's how it is with any all-new model. I would expect that the all-new 2025 Forester to have some problems too. Where as the 2024 Forester should prove to be problem free.
Good advice! never buy a first year model of anything
I had the 2014 and was quite pleased. Now I’m getting the 2024 with the same drive but more. The 2025 is blah….not a ground breaking suv. I thought at least a second engine setup. So I’m happy that I chose the 2024.
How many miles/KMs did u put on the 2014?
....and did u ever change the transmission fluid or just leave it original like Subaru says? (Lifetime fluid)
I had 155,000 km and did a transmission oil change at 100,000 km. Subaru had sent out a message that there might be an issue with the transmission but I had no issues. Hope this helps
@@nore8141
Thanks, it does help👍.
My 2017 Crosstrek/XV has 130,000 KMs so far & I want to keep it (& see how long it lasts) cause it's been the perfect car for me.
I will get the fluid changed now 😊
I agree with the comments that a manual transmission would be nice. I’m 73 and that’s what I’ve driven most of my life. So much more fun.
Electrics/hybreds don't need transmissions.....................Paul
This young man continues to impress with every review. His attention to detail is obvious. But importantly, he is able to keep his reviews interesting, without fluff that makes me sign off other reviewers. Nevertheless, if you like to drive cars, then you want enough acceleration for the occasional sporty merge, or to be able to pass on a two lane without worrying about oncoming traffic. I would have liked there to be a Forester with more power, and the comment below about the 2015 ST is supportive of this view. Of course sportiness with a turbo will come with worse gas mileage and more expensive upkeep; but it would make for a better daily driver....if you enjoy daily driving. The issues of the windshield cracking really bothers me, and I am repeating what the Car Wizard has mentioned, that calibrating "Eye Sight" has not been an easy task, though I think Eye Sight as a safety measure is awesome. I continue to follow his videos because of their consistent excellence, and every time I watch one, I want to go out and buy a Subaru. SUBARU, are you listening? Maybe this guy should be doing commercials for you.
Thank you! Maybe a Toyota hybrid system (maybe from the venza with 240 hp) could make its way into the upcoming hybrid forester since they probably won’t go turbo against. The base engine is enough for most but having that option for the xt was awesome in the past for people that lived at high elevation or wanted more passing power!
@@Realistick I have a 2019 Outback. I only have 25,000 miles and in great shape. I always had a thing for buying new cars. I test drove the 24 outback XT. Road very nice but many reviews the people raved about it. Some said stay away from the Turbo. They make the engine very hot and in time you can have problems. They also mentioned Turbo lag. I like the looks of the Forrester and I am going to test drive it tomorrow. I would get the XT. Before I bought my Outback I read all reviews. Many said they loved the car and some complained about the 4 cylinder having no pep. Go with the v6. Well, I bought the 4 cyl. and what pep that car has. My sister drove it one day and said to me, boy is that car peppy. She has a CRV. Am I making a mistake going from the Outback to a Forrester?
thanks for the video, actually I just convinced my folks to get a 2024 Touring Forester, right before the reveal of the new one, and was worried I might have steered them in the wrong direction by advicing them not to wait for the 2025 model. Glad to hear I made them make the right choice!
You made the right choice. Getting the last model year of the current generation is only bad if said generation was flawed or you care about having the latest design and technology to show off. The 2024 model is essentially the current generation(which has been a great generation) in it's best form, with all the bugs and defects worked out.
2024 Forester is cheaper in comparison to the 2025, so if your parents do complain.....just show them the comparison & the $$$ they saved👍
About $1000 dollar diference.........Less than inflation...............Paul
@@panzer_TZ totally agree, I was actually worried if it came with a completely beautiful design (think BRZ-SUV) or a much improved drivetrain (hybrid + turbo or something). But I can see why Subaru left it largely the same, and if they see the new one and want to get it, they can do so in a couple of years when most initials bugs would have been worked out.
@@mrgarrison3516 totally, specially vs the current competition! scissor me timbers! 😄
This channel just may have the best reviews. The Subaru Forester just may be the best value.
She might not be the prettiest girl at the dance. I would have no problems sporting her around town or driving her hard off in the woods.
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!
Thanks, happy thanksgiving to you as well!
The prettiest girl often has no clue how to perform basic skills such as cooking, cleaning, sewing, etc. You get a pretty face, but lose on nearly everything that actually makes a difference. Just my 2¢.
Might be a he, who knows 😂
IMO, the interior is under rated. It looks great and feels upscale with mostly soft touch materials. So many have gone to a dash that looks like a 4x4 with a tablet bolted on top. Yet those terrible looking dashes/interior get love as being nicer and upscale when in reality they look like a 1974 International Scout.
If you don’t like the big screen…buy now. We did…I like the analogue knobs and buttons.
yep that convinced me to get the current model - and no doubt there will be a price rise with the new model
After seeing - and hearing about - the ‘25😒, I opted out of waiting and got a ‘24 (“goofy”) Sport. I once was in the “AWD is unnecessary” camp, but after getting my daughters older model Subarus, ‘13 Impreza hatchback, and ‘04 Legacy Outback (classic!), I was converted. Your reviews also helped!
Subie is the only real AWD car You can buy.........Others only pretend...Driving only the front wheels 99.999 percent of the time.................Til You actually get stuck..And then only grudgingly give You a very small amount of power to the rear..............Paul
@paulholterhaus7084 My ford sends 70% of the power to the rear when it needs to. You act like every car out there will get stuck. Yeah my car is fwd but can switch to awd in milliseconds. It also uses awd way more that 1% of the time. Anytime I turn or force power to the rear it will be awd.
@TheDealer6373 I'm sure your Ford has a good AWD, but in this class, Subaru is king.
I test drove a Forester and the armrest and cup holders were extremely low. But in this video they looked at more normal level, makes me wonder if I adjusted the seat wrong. 😂
@kevinworth1713 I'm also getting my Forester Sport 2024, the "Goofy" one ..... 😁 How much did you get yours?
I enjoyed this video. You make some excellent points. One thing I will miss is the little secondary screen that sits atop the infotainment screen. I just think that's so cool.
When I first saw that secondary screen area, I thought it was a warming spot for my Happy Meal. Turns out, there's all kinds of great information there, which I really like.
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Give us a 200+ hp / 220 ft of torque hybrid powertrain from Toyota and the Forester will be close to the perfect car.
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Yeah, Looks like I will be keeping my 2022 Touring for a bit longer than planned. By the time the hybrid comes out it will likely be out of my price range. Maybe I will downsize to a Crosstrek Hybrid come 2028.
Less wind noise, better steering, more comfortable seats, ventilated seats, and (maybe) more trims with a heated steering wheel are the wins for the new model.
Dislike the new looks, hate the new screen, and hate the new price.
All things considered I'd still pick the current gen. (Especially in Cascade Green Silica) Very happy with our '21.
The great visibility can't be overstated. Hope they didn't ruin that too.
Better safety is always a reason for the newest models. This one will probably pass all the new crash tests with flying colors. Current gen didn't do so well for a subaru.
@@NoName-gv6nmSubarus always have the highest safety ratings from IIHS.
How about mpgs? I heard poor mpgs from some people.
@@Gopinathk17 I've seen similar claims. Have to assume a warranty issue had developed with those.
Our runs about 60% highway and has been averaging 31 mpg.
@@Gopinathk17 Are you kidding. How could you get poor gas milage from a Forrester?
If Subaru wants to do something revolutionary with their vehicle line then they need to dump the CVT and mate those boxers to a real transmission. (Perhaps, Toyota could assist if necessary.) This move would allow Subaru provide a secondary revolutionary update - a manual transmission.
Hi. As a Subaru fan from Europe I can see great attention to detail and understanding of the issues tackled. We have a very limited range of engines and versions available in Europe (e.g. Forester and Crosstrek are sold only with a 2.0 L mild-hybrid engine which sucks in terms of acceleration) due to a small number of units sold by Subaru in Europe plus the outrageous exhaust norms applied in the EU market. And Subarus are way pricier in Europe, starting at about 40% higher price than US.
Got a 23 Forester premium has BSM package with heated seat and sunroof that's all I want AND not a giant center screen which I don't like it. AND I had good deal 😚
Topgun vehicle for extending driving for seniors. (65+) ✅
1) Best visibility of any car
2) Best safety system of any car
3) Best collision protection of any car
4) Best ingress/regress of any car
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One of the clearest and most concise reviews on TH-cam. Not a fan of CVT's. The 2015 Forester ST has a turbo and more HP. Subaru should make one with a turbo and a standard transmission.
Got a 24 premium the only thing I don’t like is the small screen. I might look into installing a used one from a sport model (if larger) if at all possible
I actually really Like analog knob control
I just picked up my ‘24 Forester last a week ago today.
Base model with the optional wheels and roof rack.
Plus I toyed mine up a bit with options.
Sure, for what I paid for it on the final price, I could have went premium.
But I didn’t want the moonroof and I’m not a big fan of push button start keyless entry.
Mine was built to order with simplicity, practically, with a bit of light to moderate off-roading in mind.
I highly recommend this years model before the ‘25.
But hey, it the ‘25 has what you want looks wise and I guess different steering, if that’s your jam then go for it.
But this model year does more that what I was expecting and then some.
Couldn’t be happier.
Just a side note..
If you order one to your likes and specification or buy one from the dealer that they ordered, just keep in mind that ALL ‘24 Foresters DO NOT OFFER A CD PLAYER as standard anymore.
And in under the assumption that will carry over to the ‘25 model year as well.
Congrats!!
I’m in the market for a new car, and the main thing swaying me away from Subarus is that touch screen.
Subaru has never been one for high tech, so I do not understand the move away from physical buttons and knobs. I enjoyed everything about the Outbacks I test drove, but I just cannot picture having to rely on that touch screen for the next 8-10 years.
My wife had an 18 legacy with buttons. We went out of town and rented a car, a 22 legacy that had the touch screen. I complained about it the entire time.
Still time to buy 2024 Forester with physical buttons for HVAC and radio
@@JeffreyHall-n9s i drove my friends’ ‘24 forester a bit, but it’s significantly more upright than I typically prefer. I’m that weirdo target demographic for adventure wagons - I want the space, the convenience, but also want to be able to load and unload the roof rack with little effort.
Otherwise you’re totally right.
My 2024 Forester Wilderness should be delivered by the end of December …much happier with the older infotainment …buttons are just fine and with muscle memory you can adjust anything and not have to take my eyes off the road.
It’s going to be a keeper ..last of the five generation …I’m so happy with my decision ..way to go Subie
Interesting. My dealer told me the CVT is a sealed system and not to touch the CVT fluid until at least 100K. It's not easy to do, but wondering if anyone else has knowledge regarding fluid change?
Lifetime fluid is a myth. There is debate about the exact change interval, but yes it does need to be changed.
The engineers recommend fluid changes, the dealers do not - I say listen to the engineers.
The dealer may not perform the service, but a local Subaru tech will have no issue.
Just changing my (2014 Forester) fluid at 130K…i believe it was changed by the dealer under warrantee at 30k maintenance. My 2014 is like new (i bought her new) and will hopefully take me another couple years down the road. Then I hope to buy a 2024. my service guy said he couldn’t get the bolt loosened to drain the CVT fluid, so makinging another, longer appointment. Said he would need to do something because the fitting was stripped. Funny, the only change ever was done by the dealer. What’s that all about. Soft aluminum part? @@DestroyAllWarnings
For the Manufacture Lifetime sealed unit is as long as your major power train warranty. In Japan CVT service 36,000 miles. In Canada the fluid is to be changed at 80,000kms or 50,000 miles.
I just had my cvt fluid changed at 90k on my 2015 Forester XT. No such thing as a lifetime fluid
4:27 Thanks for the cargo area linear (read: useful) measurements. Question, is the width of 42.5" that of the hatch opening, or between the wheel wells?
Wheel wells!
@@Realistick Thanks!
Like everything else out there in the segment, there are trade-offs. I've driven both the '24 Forester (with the knobs) and the '24 Outback with the giant touch screen and no knobs. Context: Looking for a replacement for my '14 Forester XT. I'm a big fan of the giant knobs for HVAC and audio system. I was not a fan of the tiny controls on the new screen, and having to not only find the tiny buttons, but toggle the fan speed and temperature up by repeatedly pushing the buttons. (No wonder we need lane keeping and auto braking. Everyone is busy trying to find the damn tiny buttons!) The '24 Forester has a "sport" mode, and it can be activated via a button on the steering wheel. On the giant screen on the Outback, the sport mode is two screens deep. Hardly convenient. And for all the ballyhoo about the '25 Forester, they soldier on with the same drivetrain that I could have gotten in 2014. They are falling behind. The 2.5 L provides what I'd call "adequate" power, but nothing extra. In the heavier Outback, it is "lacking". Too bad they don't flavor the vehicles a bit more to the trim level. My XT came with bigger wheels and tires (18") than the 2.5 drive train, as well as bigger brakes and a more sport tuned suspension. Why can't the "Sport" have a tuned suspension? In the Outback XT, IMO, they whiffed. Only the drivetrain is different. No upgrades to suspension or brakes to go along with the extra power. The extra HP gained via the 2.4 turbo (vs my 2.0 L turbo) is more than defeated by the extra weight of the Outback. The Forester felt more nimble than any Outback I drove (all on same day), with perhaps the exception of the Forester Wilderness, which felt a bit more sluggish in steering. Hoping the hybrid brings some extra power. The Mazda cousins (CX-5, CX-50) are running on older drivetrains too. Still using a 6-speed automatic, and it's not that quick to shift or smooth. The CX-5's back seat has horrible leg room and is difficult to climb into. The CX-50 offers more. With back seat folded down, neither Mazda comes close to the volume of the Forester (or Outback). The CRV is cavernous too, but if you get the hybrid, towing drops to 1,000 lbs and there is NO spare tire.(They had to use the space for the hybrid hardware). Kudos to Subaru for the adaptive headlights (turn with steering inputs) and fog lights. Some of these so called "SUV's" no longer offer fog lights (Mazda, Honda). Honda has little rectangular trim where fog lights SHOULD be, but they are just color accents.
@scottanthony3426, I see what you mean with the 24 Outback touchscreen. I think it could be a little dangerous to with everything on the touch pad. I didn't know the 24 outback has a sport mode. I have a 2019 outback and it doesn't have a sport mode I don't think. I did test drive the 24 outback yesterday and i found it rode a little better than my 2019. I also like the looks of the 24 Forrester. Some say Turbos heat up and put a strain on the engine, and of course don't get as good gas milage as the regular engine. Many said don't get the outback in a 4 cylinder. Get the V6. I got the 4 cylinder in 2019 and that engine has more than adequate pep. That car moves and I am not a fast driver.
give me the '24 front with the '25 rear
all I ask is for the new wilderness to come with a traditional automatic transmission at least, so it can have a good low range gear ratio. A locking diff would be to cherry on top but I highly doubt it
I hate having EVERYTTHING in the touchscreen. . .you should be able to turn down the heat and heated seats by touch. I think everything in a screen means you have to look down to find the correct buttons.
TY,gr8 review.
On thing he got right. 24 cross and forester. Price jumped a lot
@Life2race, What hasn't jumped in price?
Idk what it is but the new forester looks like a ford design. Like an explorer or something.
My only “issue” if you can call it that is that the ‘25 kind of looks like everything else. I’m sure it’ll be of excellent quality but it just doesn’t look unique. On the other hand maybe the Wilderness version, if there is one, will look pretty good.
Yes, the 25 Forester looks like the current Honda CRV (yawn). Might be worth it getting one of the last 2024 models. I'm sure they will raise the price on the 2025 Forester just like what happened to the CRV in 2023.
Current gen looks better
I just drove a 2024 crosstrek because my 21 Crosstrek was in the shop for a recall so the dealer loan one to me , to be honest I hated it the touch screen sucks you can't change any settings like radio if you in a different section I have to hit the home button every time. Also the screen up on the dash that tells u the temp of the oil and water is normal is gone they took it off. I love my little screen . The other thing is the seats r not good either headrest don't move forward so my head is uncomfortable. Mine I can pull it forward so my head is comfortable. So I won't be buying a new Subaru for a long time until they change it.
I test drove a 2024 forester and it was extremely bouncy and not smooth at all. The cup holder and the arm rest were very low in relation to my seating position and I couldn’t even use the armrest. Makes me wonder if I didn’t adjust the seat correctly.
@sincere355, Why not test drive the Outback then?
I bought a 2024; the more basic, the better.
No turbo no care. We have a 2018 XT Touring and haven’t seen a Forester worth trading for, hoping the new one gets the turbo. The current Gen is way too slow.
If you can pick up a 2023/24 at great price I'd say buy one. The only caveat would be resale value after the the launch of the 2025 model. Unless of course you want a hybrid.
Valid! Though I might add, resale drop affects other brands much more than Subarus, my parents got 21,900 for their 2021 crosstrek with 50k miles that was 28k new when they were upgrading to the 2024 model. Their car may have been worth a little more before the redesign but a small hit nonetheless!
We bought the 2025. It’s better in my opinion. Quieter and more refined.
I like the 2025 design more
the 2025 Forester is so bland it will blend in with all the other nondescript SUVs on the road. Yes it will have better safety features which is always a plus, but with the huge infotainment screen forcing the driver to look away from the road when trying to change settings, well that is a big safety fail from Subaru.
Agree totally.
i'm picking up my '24 brand new on saturday-- i think the '25 is horrendously ugly, and the dealers near me are doing crazy deals to get rid of the '24s!
the windshield screen is kind of a let down :( it easily gets chipped. ive only have my24 for 2 months and already have 4 chips ..singh*
Ha ha ‘looks like a Ford on Keto’ perfect description!
if the price is right ? Subarus are good Cars, unfortunately they are very expensive in Europe and thats why they sell a very low number here. Thanks 😀
Cheaper in Switzerland? I saw a lot of them around Interlaken.
@@0HOON0 in Germany they are very expensive.
we purchased the 2024 Forester Base, This car gets no where near the stickered MPG! If anybody knows of a class action litigation, let me know as we would like to join! anybody else have this problem?
First I've heard of that, I'd contact subaru corporate if the dealer won't help! A class action only works if a lot of other people report it and I've only heard complaints with the turbo models regarding mpgs. Also, it could very well be driving habits (short trips where the engine isn't warmed up for half the drive, highway cruising at 75 mph or more, etc.)
The best the car has gotten is 20.3 MPG 1 time. Average is 18 to 19 MPG, the car has only seen the freeway 1 time, that was when we drove it home, where it is now a yard ornament. we do not like the car because of that start stop bull cr*p, install the start stop delete voids the warrantee, so it sits by our choice. . @@Realistick
@@surplusdoctor
Your comment is completely fabricated. I have a 2023 Forester Wilderness which isn't quite as good on mpg as other Forester trims and I'm averaging 24 mpg in the dead of winter, with sub zero temps. Also, you can turn auto start stop off. There is a button to do this. So what are you even talking about? Stop making up stories. No one buys a vehicle to sit in the driveway. Clearly trolling for attention and fooling NO ONE.
@surplusdoctor. Are you kidding me. How could you not get good gas milage? If your looking for gas milage as in a Hybrid, you should have bought a Hybrid.
@@artistgamer3040 What complainers they are surplusdoctor. How could they not get good gas milage in a Forrester. Why don't they just get a Hybrid then. You just can't make everyone happy.
Got my '24.
Congrats!
Guys... I need your urgent help. I went to Go Langley Subaru in BC Canada and fell in love with a Subaru Forester Sport. Promised them I shall go back today and book it; and if possible take delivery. I came home and searched for a video to share with my dad back home. I chanced upon the 2025 variant that's just around the corner...as per Subaru, launching in Spring 2024. Now I am totally lost. Should I buy the 2024 or but the 2025? I don't mind the 1000 dollar increase, but the touch screen looks nice and overall the 2025 feels more premium from the videos. What should I do? Thanks in advance
I am only telling you what I am doing, not what to do... I am waiting for the 2025 hybrid which is expected to have over 200 hp, a far longer driving range, and much better fuel economy using the Toyota hybrid system mated to the Subaru Boxer engine... the only reason I haven't bought a Forester yet is, to me, the anemic gas Boxer engine.
I love everything about the 2025 but the infotainment system. I hate the large touchscreen. Honestly the same layout as the last model but an updated system that offered wireless android auto and Apple car play would have been all I needed. I want buttons not a screen to control things while driving. That darn screen is stopping me from wanting any of their lineup that got that dreaded slab. They offer the tiny screens to but it just looks ugly having a flat surface with 2 screens and no perks of better audio.
Nice automobile but it needs more power !
No Turbo TRULY hurts this vehicle in MANY ways.
Buy now.
I hope Subaru has fixed the woeful bluetooth system where your apple watch bluetooth interferes and needs to be disabled before you can play music from your iphone. This is a long standing problem which they seemingly don’t give a sh!+ about.
Now.
If you are having tuble driving it then dump it if its soo bade crash mine saved my life
I bought a 2024 Forester Touring. After awhile, it’s a great vehicle, but the front is absolutely ugly. It’s all about aesthetics. I dont think it’s that comfortable either. Should have bought a Outback XT
Not sure, but they all look identical to each other, cross track, Impreza, etc., why do they even have different names? Besides, the RS on Subaru is overrated and doesn't have enough umph as presented. Same with GR series on Toyota.
If by better you mean mechanically the same with a new body.... sure.
Not a perfect car....But My favorite........I'm driving My 3rd in 10 Years.......Just like new stuff.......I've been hoping for a really nice Hybred since I retired 12 Years ago.........Am 80 and now wondering if i''ll live to see it....Paul
How much did Subaru pay for this advert to buy the old model?
As i said in the video, the new one is undoubtedly better, but the old one is the last subaru to have an abundance of physical controls and (likely) the last to undercut the competition on price too.
Touch screen everything is dumb. This version has enough and I don't even care about it because I use the phone anyway. Also, consider that Subaru will remove features if your state passes a right to repair bill, shame on them
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i don't effing understand... do "they" teach u do comparison this way? so that u can't compare visually side by side? y r u doing it this way?!!!
This isn't pitched as a comparison, the title is "buy now or WAIT for 2025," if I could have gotten them together, I would have, and then I would have made a comparison.
@@Realistick really? u r talking about *now* and *then*. so, u *DO* compare.
@nskmda What i watched is not "now" and "then" but more like just "now" considering -not comparing -there will be a "then" very soon.
This suv is one of the most disappointed car/suv we have. For the price they sold you can get a Lexus. On a limited trim only driver side seat has power adjustment. Under power and whinny noise struggle to accelerate when needed. There is no option to get better engine. The annoying start/stop feature that you have to turn off manually everytime after you started a car otherwise this crap will stop in middle of the long city traffic light. Imagining this ruining or shortening life of starter motor and battery. Try driving with start/stop that on the Michigan Street in Chicago it will drive you mad. To fill the gas you have to unlock all doors since there is no machanical lever. Imagine you are in the bad neighborhood and an attacker will jump in your can when all doors are unlocked. May not be an issue in Japan but in Chicago you are asking for a car jack. Stay way from this car since you will get better bang for your buck elsewhere.
@phigonggoi, All the new cars now have that start/stop feature and everybody hates it.
Subarus are bad cars. Buy something else.
Like what?
not so just bad attitudes
Like hell they are.
One of the clearest and most concise reviews on TH-cam. Not a fan of CVT's. The 2015 Forester ST has a turbo and more HP. Subaru should make one with a turbo and a a non-CVT transmission.