Part 2 JBL EON ONE MK2 on Battery/BluetoothSound Test Comparison With Bose S1Pro with Max Sound Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- The microphone on my iPad which I used to record this video doesn't do justice to the sound quality of the MK2. The incredible full range low end is completely missing on this video. I know it isn't a fair comparison because the S1Pro is $650 and the MK2 is $1,200. I am using the S1Pro because of all the battery operated speakers that I own it has the best mids and overall sound quality. The MK2 makes the Bose sound like "AM Radio"! The MK2 is the first battery operated speaker that I have heard that is truely Full Range with a studio monitor/Hifi sound.
Specs MK2: 42.5lbs, Height 78", EQ 8 bands, 10"woofer, 400 watts RMS, 37-20Hz
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Today for the first time I used the MK2 through my ProFX 16ch Mackie Mixer. Still running on battery power but not Bluetooth, running hard wired into the mixer. I played at full volume with zero clipping. All EQ flat. Now I'm really confused?? I played it next to my Bose Pro32/Sub1 which costs $2,900. I can't believe it but they sounded about equal in SQ! The Sub1 had slightly better bass and was playing at only 11:00 gain and the MK2 had a slightly cleaner high end. They sounded almost like a matched pair. The MK2 has incredible sound!
I was at guitar center looking for a monitor for dj'ing (specifically the qsc k2 8in) but a jbl rep showed me the eon one mk2. This thing is incredible; overall frequency response in a system that can breakdown into a small subwoofer, has battery power, not too heavy, has enough power for a indoor house party...its making me rethink my purchase... it actually may save me money
Love my K8.2 but if you want to cover all those bases you can't beat the MK2!
Forgot to mention a big plus! I like the fact that the MK2 has treble, bass, and mids control on the base unit. I can't believe Bose on their new Pro Line only has treble and bass controls. On both the Bose and the MK2 some boosted treble and mids EQ is necessary or they sound a little flat or dark. Of course many people say Bose does that on purpose so you have to buy their T4 Mixer for another $700 to make it sound its best.
Thanks for your video, really helpfull, I am looking to buy a portable PA system and I am tending to go towards the JBL but I haven't made my desition yet, I'll keep watching your videos, thanks again
Glad to help in your decision. When you say portable PA does it have to be battery operated? If you need battery power the only limitation I have found is low max dBs on Bluetooth with the MK2. I think that problem is easily solved by adding a battery operated aux out speaker. The MK2 is great because it has a gain control slider on the app so you can blend the aux speaker at a distance. Bose S1Pro, JBL Compact, or Mackie Thump Go, would all work. I'm going to use the Mackie because it is the loudest at 100+ dB.
The blinking Led is not clipping, that is just a Limiter, the limiter kicks in when a higher note or lower frequency is coming out of the source to prevent its driver and woofer to be damage. Even you crank up the volume and exceed the limiter it will not sound distorted, it will only limit the higher note or sudden burst of low frequencies. Remind you that the ventilation of the amplifier on JBL Mk2 has no fan that is why it started to early blinking of Limiter, The Hotter it gets the early it will Blink just like the old MK1.. With that, you fix it with a fan to blow the heat off, if you're cranking all to its Max.
Very interesting information! I have called Tech support for a number of different companies and they all say back it off if you see red.
I think you're correct. I don't own this yet but, am interested. The light is clearly labeled limiter which is likely set to protect the gear from damage. I saw the input channel flashing yellow which would likely be the gain for the input starting to get close to clipping but, I would assume that would be red. Not sure if anyone can confirm. Weiss, are you still happy with your purchase? Also, how long in practice have the batteries lasted on a fully charge? I'm looking for a portable system for ceremonies or smaller outdoor events/cocktail, etc.
You measured the db before clip but I've experienced with LD maui 5 GO you can get clean sound even when the limiter stay always on! The clipping is related more on the sub level, keep the subwoofer a bit lower and you can obtain a lot more volume before clipping!
JBL has continued to make the unit better with Firmware updates. Big Plus! Kind of like Tesla- The gift that keeps on giving. I believe the problems I had with early red clipping light has been fixed with the latest Update.
It sounds great. Loud and clear. I'm surprised it didn't get more db but it sounds full.
Mids and lows are excellent, even after adding some High end EQ I still feel the Mackie is cleaner on the top end. Overall sound is very smooth like the Bose Pro line but also missing that ultimate high end clarity I get with my EV30m. What are your results with the PRX? Did you jump from a pair of S1Pros with a Sub1 to the PRX pair? How do the two systems compare? What are your gain staging settings? How does the Sub1 sound with the PRX? Make a video about it, very few user reviews on TH-cam.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz I put up a couple samples but I definitely want to get in to it deeper because I went pretty loud this evening with my son and his cousin ( they are in JROTC at school and I am DJING their military ball) and got a very clean and clear 114 Db. Next video i will include pictures of my settings in the app on the channels I am using.
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And yes sir I am loving the Mackie with a sub! So far the only thing I don't like is that bluetooth doesn't put single through the past true XLR.
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The JBL clearly had deeper lows and more detail. It’s not even close. I really like the way the S1’s sound, but on my headphones, the JBL simply has extended top and bottom.
Previously the Bose S1Pro was my best sounding portable PA with a cleaner high end than the Bose Compact and the Maui5 Go. This video doesn't really show it but the JBL MK2 is night and day on another level than the Bose S1 Pro! Smooth Hifi mids with a strong low end. When you A/B from the MK2 to the Bose so much drops away, the Bose almost sounds like a toy or old AM radio! The Mk2 does need some more high end EQ that a mixer easily improves. I don't know if you saw one of my posts, but playing the MK2 next to the $2,600 Bose Pro32/Sub1 it was very close!
DJ's report the Anti Feedback on the MK2 is excellent!
Brandon Knudson, the Jbl rep said that they are working on a firmware update to hopefully mitigate this red clipping issue. Hopefully they will sort it out. I am encouraged by your comment that it sounds hifi and clear. Did you test it in a bigger space with the full height to see if it has the even sound distribution and throw, like a line array? Also how would you compare it with the maui 5 go? Thanks 👍 for these reviews. I was waiting for this one and jumped at it as soon as it was released.
Yes I played with the full array in a bigger space. That is encouraging news that a firmware update might fix this clipping issue! As far as throw, I can't tell because I have only played in a home setting. Dispersion was on par with the Bose, again in this small environment. It was evident that one column could fill the entire house. The Maui5 Go has decent bass, I would say this is twice the output. Maui5 has muddy rolled off highs which the Bose S1Pro clearly bests. The highs on the MK2 were slightly cleaner and stood out when played with my Bose Pro32, a $2,600 speaker! Mids were also right there with the Pro32.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz All things that you are saying make this a truly amazing speaker! If it sounds even near the Bose Pro32 it is a great deal, isn't it? I will keep looking out for your next update on this speaker. You will make a follow up on this, yes?🤔
@@GiriGagan Yes more video will follow regarding the MK2. At this time it is the best sounding battery operated speaker I have heard. Of course the MK2 can't compare to the Pro32 as far as volume.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz really appreciate your replies. Thank you for being so present with our queries.
So the Bose s1 pro is $499. Would it be better to get 2 Bose s1 pro ($1000) or one Jbl eon one mk2 ($1150)? Would be performing with acoustic, vocals and possible midi keyboard/electric drums
For keyboards/electric drums you need full range sound unless you have a subwoofer. The MK2 will get much louder than a pair of S1Pros and has a 10" sub section that has next level bass response compared to the Bose which has little if any bass!
What was the max db on the Bose?
100dB is the max you can expect from the S1Pro. When it starts to clip it sounds very harsh and any bass content at those high volumes the woofer will bottom out. I used a small mixer, the Yamaha MG06XU and it really gives a difference in the gain you can get out of the S1Pro!
I am looking for a powerstation that can power the BL EON ONE MK2 when the battery is drained. do you think the BEAUDENS 166Wh can handle it? any recommendations?
No, 166Wh will probably not work. I would go with minimum 300 watts GrantMaya a little bit more money. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0787SHJ21/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_5?smid=AUVZKV9CZS39O&psc=1
If you have the $$$ the ECO Flow Pro is incredible! Charges from 0-80% in one hour, App controlled. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08T1KY8SG/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_6?smid=AH59O987TZWZR&psc=1
is it true that if I connect per cable to another channel other than 5 (bluetooth) I get much more dB?
Haven't heard that?? Only thing I heard is AC is louder than battery.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz in the app the channels have different dB. bluetooth hast max 12 dB the others 56 and 36 dB
@@masrymasrawy2202 Makes sense, on the other channels after a certain point you are into the mic preamps.
When looking at the power for the MK2 look at the Spec 400RMS not the 1,000+ watts JBL claims.
How would you add low end bass? Would 2 S1 Pro and a sub2 be better? I had tried the sub1 but the bass wasn't deep enough for hiphop, dancing. trying to find something that hits more. the Mk2 sounds great, but wondering how low the bass goes.
MK2 bass is good but adding a Sub1 improved it greatly. Since Sub1 wasn't enough for you Sub2 or similar 12 or 15" sub is the way to go. I don't think a pair of S1Pros is the best match for the Sub2 for the money and I don't like bringing speaker stands. A pair of S1Pros limit too early, max 103dB before getting harsh/clipping red. I run my Pro32/Sub2 on external battery power, many levels higher performance than a pair of S1Pros/Sub2!
GC has it for 20% off if you call. I’ll give it a go…
I got mine from GC 15% off. $1,020 before tax. You'll like it!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz I got it got $960 before tax. I was surprised. Bass response is good, highs are good, miss slightly lacking. It’s a good sounding pa speaker. If that’s all it was I’d say it was ok. Add in battery and my review changes significantly.
It’s bigger and heavier than the S1 Pro. I wouldn’t say it completely replaces it for that reason, but if you need more than the S1 Pro or don’t want to carry a stand, this is the ticket. Vocals sound slightly better on S1 Pro but music is much fuller on the Eon One. It’s not perfect but I could actually run this alone where the S1 Pro’s I wouldn’t want to run as mains without a sub unless it’s just vocals.
@@cduemig1 $960 you got a deal! Good summary of the MK2. Interesting that the S1Pro is better for vocals. That is something I didn't test. Of course the smooth low mids and bass of the MK2 is not needed for vocals. Would like someone to compare acoustic guitar sound. Again, I don't play guitar. Try running the S1Pro from the THRU OUT of the MK2. Adds some of the missing high end clarity. No need for two MK2's!
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Your comment interested me so I took the S1 Pro and Eon One MK2 in the garage with my guitar. Both on battery only. The guitar is a hollow body hybrid that sounds very close to an acoustic without feedback. Both speakers sound good. The S1 Pro is more a point source like playing through a practice amp making the Eon One sound fuller. The S1 Pro sounds very good but you can hear the point it’s getting overwhelmed and starts rolling off frequencies to keep getting louder. The Eon One sounds the same through the volume range.
Then I grabbed a mic. The Eon One sounds good with a live mic. Phantom power works no problem. I think it sounded pretty natural and not too much to complain about.
The S1 Pro unfortunately doesn’t have phantom power so I had to dig up a dynamic mic (I prefer condenser mics). The S1 Pro also sounds natural but you can tell it’s still coming from a box. To get similar sound I’d need to run a pair and still the bass wouldn’t be as good.
Bottom line, both are good speakers. For light work the S1 Pro is still a great choice. It’s considerable smaller and lighter than the Eon One MK2 but does require a stand. For busking or quiet spaces an S1 Pro gets the job done but if I’m playing a patio or a bar the Eon One would more likely be traveling with me.
From technical stand rated SPL if it’s measured I believe is a 1000hz sine wave at max. In the real world that output power gets eaten up by other frequencies. Your early clipping is that. JBL made this to be really wide audio range and a lot extended bass response without the requisite power. So when playing music the speaker will compress cause it’s trying likely to keep a balance sound and it’s clipping the bass notes . Your small speaker seem louder because they take out a lot of bass. If you have a digital mixer try shelving anything below 80 or 90 HZ and watch your spl start going up before clip. Also try XLR in because I truly believe the Bluetooth chips do not play well with pre amps n others
Thanks for your technical explanation! This is definitely a Bluetooth issue because it played at full volume with XLR in from a mixer with zero clipping. Unfortunately I bought this to be an outdoor Bluetooth speaker for live instruments with backing tracks at volume, that wouldn't need a mixer. When I did play at over 106dB, I had solid red limit lights but heard no distortion or clipping. If I have to roll off anything below 80/90Hz I might as well stick with a pair of Mackie Thump Goes for $800 vs $1,200 which will play louder.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz aha you confirmed my speculation that the bluetooth preamp is what’s clipping. Even some of the mackies don’t get as loud when on Bluetooth I’ve experienced that. They don’t tell you but there one light and it’s probably not telling you if the clipping is on the output or input and the clipping is probably front end so they do less on back end where higher voltage components are required(saving money). I have the same issue with EV as well.
@@DJLEOdamadprofessor it’s not functioning as a clip light right now. It’s engaging 3db before limiter kicks in, so it needs to be adjusted. Some of these things are hard to calibrate with how many devices there are available.
@@TheHxcbrandon okay when I said clip I was referring to limiters/compression but I probably didn’t articulate it well but 3db early that’s unusual but I understand why they might do that. I decided it fit my need so I purchase one and I definitely con tell the lights are wonky. Absolutely reminded me of my EKX series were there’s limit light galore but you wouldn’t be able to tell cause it sounds great and even they say the limit light is okay if it’s one and off which I don’t like
@@DJLEOdamadprofessor We're working to address via firmware, so it should only be a short term issue.
JBL by Far. Bose sounds like a Radio in Comparison to be honest. Quite an impressive speaker. Kudos JBL, once again flexing your muscles.
MK2 has the advantage to play with only two columns. EV will not work without all three columns. This could come in handy when playing in a room with low ceilings. EV makes a short extension for the EV50 but it is another $100 and I'm not sure it works properly with the EV30.
Thanks for the reviews! I wonder how this would sound running the S1 as a second speaker using the HPF setting on the MK2 Pass through (just like BOSE recommends when pairing the S1 to the sub1). Would the MK2 sub keep up?
You just stole my idea for my next video! :) It sounds great, just need to boost the treble on the S1 Pro to add clarity over the MK2. I always like running a second speaker even though they are both running mono. I've found even a much smaller speaker like the S1Pro still gives the illusion of a left / right stereo image. Its great that the MK2 has a gain control on the App for the PassThrough which makes it easy to blend the aux speaker with the MK2. Also love the fact that the Pass through also has a mute function to A/B at an instant the effect the aux speaker is giving.
I just tried this and unfortunately it doesn’t work. You can remove the top and leave the battery in to use the subwoofer but there’s no option for HPF on the through out. You can HPF the Eon One, LPF the output, or put it in Sub mode outputting 80hz and below and cutting it from the Eon’s mix.
@@cduemig1 Interesting experiment, never thought of doing that.
I play in a duet with backing tracks for bass and drums. I plan to buy two MK2s and hard wire left and right portions of stereo backing tracks to L and R speaker. I will add voc and acoustic guitar to L MK2 input channels and my buddys voc and micked electric amp to R MK2 input channels. We play indoor and outdoor gigs with approx 50 ppl. Hoping to have the MK2s slightly behind and off to left and right of us to avoid need for monitors. Is this feasible? Also will I be able to control all the channels from both the L and R speaker with app out front? Thanks Tom
Sounds great! Not sure of the need for monitors. Of course Bose has a reputation for not needing monitors. Only suggestion, add a sub. I used my RCF 702 12" and forgot how a dedicated sub kicks compared to even the best column array 10". Of course you will need AC power for the sub or a strong external battery pack.
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Good news or bad? This speaker has made the following battery operated speakers I own obsolete!
JBL Eon One Pro
LD Maui 5 Go
Fishman Loudbox Mini Charge
Behringer MPA 40 BT
Aiwa Exos 9
All good equipment but I don't have the heart to sell or trade in at 1/3 the price I paid :(
Can you compare this JBL with the Bose L1 Pro8 or L1 Pro16? That's more inline, IMO.
Pro 16 will have better bass than JBL. JBL cleaner high end than either Bose. Pro8/JBL about same performance except Bose has the better 180 degree throw, JBL internal battery/better carry design.
I have the S1 Pro. I’ve been considering buying the Sub 1 to use with it for small events. How do you think the Sub 1 + S1 Pro compares to the Eon One MK2? Would the Sub 1 + S1 Pro be louder?
That's a close call! Sub1 better /harder hitting bass than MK2. The Sub1 is a real subwoofer compared to the MK2 which is just nice tight low end. MK2 has a smoother mid range than the S1Pro and sounds much more Hifi compared to the S1. Both rigs would be equally as loud - a little over 100dB. The Sub1 will add almost no extra dBs to the S1Pro but changes the sound 100%. Sub1 would need an external power source to make it a complete battery operated set up. Adding the S1Pro from the Thru Out of the MK2 is an incredible combination. Having a second speaker across the room gives the illusion of a stereo field and adds noticeable volume. Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/nPjECZgscLs/w-d-xo.html
@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thank you! I think that helps me decide. I’m going to try to go with the Sub 1 for now to save a little money and keep using the S1.
@@jibbajabbaguy You will love it!
@@jibbajabbaguy The Sub1 does indeed add more dB (volume) to the S1 Pro. You need to use the two buttons (one being the high-pass filter) and go from Sub1 to S1 Pro to get this improvement in volume and sound. They were made to work together in this way after all.
If you already have the S1 Pro then the Sub1 is the best choice, = Much more volume & awesome all round sound.
So seriously Eon one MK2 is not louder than Maui 5go or Partybox 110 ?
Eon one compact has the same problem: it hits the limit too early.
Or your sound level meter defective ?
I also have a cheap sound level meter and it doesn't measure very well, for example I get almost the same sound level with my partybox 310 as with my LD Dave 18G3 PA system at maximum level, which is absurd because the DAve is much stronger in reality
I'm using the same dB meter that I test all my speakers. I put in a fresh set of batteries to take that out of the equation. By ear alone I could tell it was at a much lower level than my past clipping tests. JBL tech support says they are working on a firmware update to address the issue so I don't think it's my fault. Running the MK2 through a mixer with XLR I was able to play at full volume with total clarity/zero clipping. This sounds like it is a Bluetooth issue. Unfortunately, my goal is to travel light using Bluetooth, no mixer or extra cables.
The eon one is louder not a ton louder, but it is louder measured and perceived
How is the mk2 jbl tower vs in loudness and bass and clarity against any of the party box 110-700?
How long will a fully charged battery last at max volume music playing?
Sorry, never tried it. Specs say 12 hours I believe. Heavy bass content also drains the battery faster.
Have you tested the battery life yet?
Sorry, I usually never play over an hour. Seems like the battery is strong have only charged it to full one time.
At this time I can declare the JBL MK2 the BEST SOUNDING battery option on the market. Full range sound approaching the Holy Grail of Studio Monitors/Hifi speakers in a Bluetooth, Battery operated portable PA! I said best sounding not the loudest:( Future test: Mackie Thump Go over a Bose Sub1. Same price $1,200, of course Sub1 is not battery operated.
Got mine today and can confirm it sound really good very full sounding. Especially if your keeping expectations reasonable.
@@DJLEOdamadprofessor Can you share your gain settings?
@@WWeiss-nv5vz I run the until channel turns yellow and master till I see red then tame off two
If only it was a few kilograms lighter (with a smaller sub). I busk full-time for a living and at that weight it's pretty much impossible to haul around with other essential gear.
Can you connect two JBL MK2 through the app via Bluetooth and control both at the same time mixer wise?
Up to 10
No, you can't sync two mk2's via Bluetooth. You will not get stereo sound.
This unit has excellent sound but unfortunately there is an issue with early clipping just like the JBL Compact. Maybe this can be fixed with a firmware update in the future. With the same dynamic track( Stravinsky: L'Histoire Du Soldat The Royal March) the MK2 clipped red at 99.5dB. The Bose S1Pro clipped at 99.9dB, Mackie Thump Go 97.4dB and it is a $400 speaker compared to $1,200. JBL support is MIA as usual. Remember the nightmare of the Eon One Pro! I really want to keep this speaker because it is the first battery PA speaker that sounds so Hifi/full range. It makes the Bose S1Pro sound like a toy! If I turn it up it sounds incredible and I hear no distortion/clipping but at those levels either the channel volume or master volume is SOLID red! I have gained staged the way JBL recommends in their intro video on TH-cam. I have tried all other manners of gain staging with the same results. Any suggestions would be helpful.
Hey there. What are you running volume wise on your stream device? As a reminder this has 3 gain stages. You have your output stage (master fader), your input stage (channel) and your device (phone/tablet). It appears to me that maybe your device is low and you’re driving the input stage? Either way, the limit light comes on at -3db to clip. And it does not indicate you’re doing damage or even close to it. It’s basically saying “you’re getting close” which is why we’re working to optimize it. This will be pushed out in firmware. I typically drive my device up to full gain, then pull back 1 notch. Then I’ll pull BT gain up to 0db, and master gain at -5db. That gives me headroom and achieves the spec. Let me know. But the tech support team is mostly right. If you do not HEAR audible clip, you’re not clipping. You may be hitting the system limiter but that will just turn frequency bands down that are approaching clip.
@@TheHxcbrandon Appreciate your response and I tip my hat to you and the JBL Team who created this tech, all the other manufactures will be playing catch up for awhile! Create the first effective battery operated sub and you guys will make millions! Partybox 300 is almost there just take away the mid/high frequency drivers. My gain set up: Running Bluetooth, EQ flat, iPhone is source at 95% or one click down, Main Out -5 like you suggested in your intro video with Aaron Short, Ch.5 -26, -25 clipping red. Issue went completely away using XLR into a mixer, zero clipping at volume. I take it this is a Bluetooth issue. In your response you didn't explain where you back off or raise the volume. At the source, Main Out or Bluetooth Ch5? I thought your intro video said at the Bluetooth Channel, that's why I have -26.
@@WWeiss-nv5vz for whatever reason, I can’t reply direct to tour previous comment. But I just ran mine in my garage, BT at 95% out of iPhone 12pro, master 0db, channel 5 at +12db and couldn’t get my limiter light to check. Do me a favor, and holder master/menu and ch4 until all your LEDs flash. Repair your device and try again. You might have a setting stuck somewhere causing it to limit early.
Measuring 114db peak at 2m.
@@TheHxcbrandon Wow! Can you answer my previous question, where do you control gain? The source- phone, master, or channel volume?
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