I bought several units including the PackTalk Slim, and was never happy. The PackTalk actually started flaking out after less than a week and eventually wouldn't turn on. I wound up getting a Sena SMH5 and I love the thing. It's very simple and rugged and only does what I need it to do and it was < $100.
Great review. Obviously, if you covered every option out there, it would be a 2-hour video. Nice job pairing it down. I recently installed the UCLEAR boomless system in a Shark EVO-ONE helmet, and I agree that it works flawlessly. I'm very impressed with UCLEAR.
Checkout the Nolan N-Com systems, helmets are first class and the comm systems are design to fit flush not an afterthought like most other systems. Used them for years and had great service.
@@nightnday6675 Not really fair now in 2021. I've used Sena stuff for years and never had any problems with it. Even though one of the criticisms is there's no waterproof guarantee on them I did five days of riding in constant rain storms for four days on a European tour with no problems on mine or my sons. They always contact up with no problem either although the range isn't good. Certainly no worse than the basic Cardo system they compete with. Now of course I've upgraded to the latest mesh versions which are slightly cheaper than their Cardo counterparts in the UK and come with HD headsets which are amazing. The most interesting thing now though is one of our friends has bought himself a sub £100 chinese system. It's the usual rip off of the big brands but remarkably integrates perfectly with the rest of us. Obviously need to see how long it holds out but definitely worth looking at for people on a low budget.
Another great video with good advise and information, thank you. The comm to go for here in New Zealand is the Sena... anything less is considered cheap and nasty... However, I have just in stalled a Netphone V6-1200 into my helmet and my Wife's helmet or 2-up riding... It can link up to 6 other riders and so long as they stay within 1200m of each other, should be ok... but or two riding, will be perfect for us.... Thanks again for the info.
+FortNine I've been thinking about a bluetooth system (I still enjoy being completely disconnected on my bike)..... However, one of the things I do not like is a bulky piece sticking out of mu helmet. I've seen the model "Air" by the company Autocom. have you ever seen/tried it?
Never tried the Air! But two things do come to mind. One is the Sena 10U which custom-fits *inside* a few helmet models (fortnine.ca/en/sena-10u-bluetooth-communication-system) and the other is the 10R which is made to be extra slim (fortnine.ca/en/sena-10r-bluetooth-headset). Hope that helps! ~RyanF9
Hi there! I appreciate your videos, I am just starting in this new "world". I am wondering that given the new models from Sena, could you please update your review of communicators, or are you still under the same impressions?
Hi there. I'm new to all this so please forgive my ignorance. My wife and I recently purchased a 2007 Goldwing that the previous owner had fitted a Sena FreeWire to. Today we bought a Scala Rider Q1 system. So my question is... Will these work together without us having to outlay yet more money to use the intercom on the bike. Thanks for your time and hopefully a solution.
Hi Ryan. I know this video is from a while back, but I was hoping you could do a video on Comms under $100. The South African Rand (ZAR) is pretty weak when compared to USD or CAD, So gear on this side gets very expensive wheb imported. are there relatively decent Comms out there for this price? Perhaps features like an FM radio, calls, comunication with other riders with the same/ other device. Thanks for all the great content. Much love from All the way in South Africa. If you ever get a chance, come check out our country. It is the most beautiful country. Esp. when explored on a bike.
I find it interesting that you say you receive less returns for Cardo's but on your website most Sena's have higher ratings than their Cardo counterparts. Currently using a Sena 10S myself.
The speakers are "really loud"? Have you actually tried them at 100 kph or more? And do they sound as loud at 100 KPH as they do at 50 kph? And at what volume level do you have them set, full, or half way?
Ryan, a big and warm "hello" to you from Brazil! After watch your video, my only doubt is if any of this communication systems would pair up with an action cam. Which one do you use to record your videos (I mean, cam & communication system)? Thanks in advance, Luis
Hi Luis! I don't use a comm system to record audio in my vlogs. But it is possible, using something like Sena's GP10 backpack for the GoPro. All the comms in this video should work with the GP10, but note that you'll only be able to record your own voice. If you used a SENA comm instead, you'd be able to record the voices of multiple people in your group and get a higher quality audio. You can hear what it sounds like in this video: th-cam.com/video/RBuknpRjk54/w-d-xo.html Cheers! ~RyanF9
Ryan, thanks a lot for your time and your advice! While I was looking for the GP10 and a GoPro (wich one do you use? I heard that the Hero4 has an overheating issue, do you know anything about it?), I found the Sena 10C, which seems to be a sensible option (one device to do sound and images). Do you have any thoughts about it? Sorry for bothering you so much. I guess my generation is a bit too analogic for this stuff... better get advice from those who know better. Have a great weekend, looking forward to you next video - the ADV bike is alredy watched!
Ryan, I got the Q1 a couple of weeks ago and i got a big gripe. It will not work 100% with my passanger! Is it broked? My retailer told me to factory reset the devices and redo the pairing process.
A group of us r looking at Cardo Pak and the Sena 20S most of us wear half helmets but you introduced another unit the HBC 200HD is that a different system completely does it offer the same features as the Pak?
It's a different system completely. I prefer the Uclear HBC200 HD on half helmets, because the boom-less mics are perfect for killing wind noise. ~RyanF9
hey ryan how do you afford all the gear that you review in these videos man? Are you purchasing each peice of gear or does the company reach out to you?
Ryan! We used those SPOT devices in BC for school. Saved our butts one time for sure. Now that I know that they have those trackers, I'll be getting one for the FZ. I am curious as to if those Cardo's will link up with other brands. Most people I know are on Sena units and I definitely don't want to be left out of the convos any more.
Hey Jordan! The short answer is yes - most Cardos will link up with Sena units. But normally you're limited on how many mixed-manufacturer devices you can pair. For example, some Cardo devices can do 4-way intercom, but only one of those can be a non-Cardo unit. That's definitely not a hard rule though.. it gets a bit complex depending on which device you have, and which devices your group is using. ~RyanF9
Hey Ryan, does the Sena GP10 work with the Cardo Packtalk, or is there a similar system made by them for their coms units? Thank you. Love the videos too, keep 'em coming.
Hey! The GP10 *does* work with the Cardo PackTalk. Only downside is you'll only be able to record your own voice. If you had a Sena comm system, you'd be able to record the voices of other riders that you're paired with, too. Also you can't record full HD audio with the GP10 when it's paired with a non-Sena comm. But to be honest, I can't really hear the difference between HD and non-HD anyway. Hope that helps! Cardo hasn't released a similar GoPro backpack yet... maybe soon. ~RyanF9
FortNine Awesome, thanks for the quick response. One last question relating... With the GP10 is it only myself that requires the Sena headset to hear the group chat on playback from GoPro footage or, do all the other riders require Sena gear too to use this feature?
I *think* only you require the Sena. But there will be a limit on the size of your intercom group, and it depends what software everyone is running (it's the "universal intercom" upgrade that is relevant here). Basically there needs to be no greater than a 1:1 ratio of Senas to non-Senas in your group (not including the GP10). So you could do GP10:YourSena:Cardo or GP10:YourSena:Cardo:AnotherSena:AnotherCardo. But you couldn't do GP10:YourSena:Cardo:AnotherCardo ... does that make sense? Comms are confusing haha. Also everyone will need fairly recent and high-end communicators, because the older and cheaper devices can't do universal intercom! ~RyanF9
+Dulf Nordensvärd Hmm tough question. Personally, I would not buy the Q3. It's a bit outdated, and that's always bad when it comes to technology. If you want a rider-passenger comm, get the Q1 and save your money. If you want a rider-rider comm, then you're asking a lot more of your device. It's worth spending to get something that works properly from bike to bike. At the very least, I'd try to save up and get the G9x. Even better would be the PackTalk. ~RyanF9
I've had the Q1 for about a month and love it, and more importantly, my girlfriend loves it more. It was a night and day difference being able to talk to each other on rides, and she feels much more comfortable with it. Music streaming is super clear and loud and the battery life is great. Nobody I ride with has comm units, so this made the most sense.
Just bought Q3 - microphones is not working at all. And I tried everything a normal computer-literate user would do. I tried even to pair it with friends iPhone 6S - didnt even pair.
Yep... and it does feature in the 2017 video *very briefly*. Essentially it's the best unit for solo riding... so long as you don't want to connect to any other device, the Freecom 1 can't be beat. ~RyanF9
Just bought 2 Gmax 64 modular helmets and unfortunately the slider to raise and lower the sun visor is on the left side. Any idea if the Cardo Q1 will mount nicely on these helmets?
Never installed on a GM64 myself, but I had a look at one in the warehouse for you. I reckon the only way to make it work is to mount the Q1 on the right hand side. Obviously that's a bit annoying for your throttle hand, but not the end of the world. The only other option would be to pull out the chin skirt and try to mount the Q1 more forward on the chin bar, but I personally wouldn't want my device there, and I'm not sure it will work anyway with the way the EPS foam sits. ~RyanF9
Hi there, cardo seems promising but was going through some threads and seems sena still the best. what's your thought and i am planning to buy one so could you refer some.
So i have narrowed down my choices to force,cardo and sena. Can you refer me which one would be better out of these three amd there specific product. that would be helpful. thanks
I'm having trouble getting the Cardo to music share, and have intercom going at the same time. Is it just not capable of multitasking like this yet? Did you notice DMC mode having a lower volume than Bluetooth? My girlfriend and I are not finding the Packtalk to be very intuitive to use. I mean, to turn it off the manual says to just press the play button for 2 seconds. And that does nothing.
surprised SENA wasn't mentioned since TH-cam communuty for motovlogging seem to be in favor of it. what would be the equivalent kind, in Cardo lineup, to SENA 10S?
Rather ironically, I personally use a SENA. But I'd buy a Cardo next time around. From our experience with selling *a lot* of these devices, Cardos typically see fewer returns and happier customers. Check out the G9x for a comparable unit to the 10S. ~RyanF9
Thanks Ryan. I was almost about to buy the 10S, but I guess I'll reconsider it. thanks! I think it's a great thing that Canada's Motorcycle is pushing TH-cam as one of the frontiers for reaching to Canadians. Getting expert opinions and advice are far more valuable than paper-specs. keep it up!
Could you please tell me the difference in music sound quality between the Cardo Scala Rider PackTalk vs Sena 20s vs UClear HBC200 Force? I want to use a system mostly for listening to music riding solo and will be used with a AGV Skyline Solid helmet and 2007 Honda Shadow Spirit 750. Thank you soo much Ryan, wicked videos and keep up the great work!
Hey! Not much difference between them. The PackTalk sounded like the cleanest audio to me, but not by much. If you're interested in good sound quality, the best thing you can do is to buy aftermarket speakers / ear pods. Cheers! ~RyanF9
How does the Cardo Scala Rider Packtalk stack up to the Sena 30K? or HBC200HD, if its also capable of pinging chat off of other riders in the group chat.
PackTalk is still the best. 30K is similarly brilliant when it comes to group networking, but like much of Sena's stuff it ain't waterproof. Also it's more expensive than the PackTalk. As for the HBC200HD, it's much more finicky than the other two to pair up. I'd only choose the HBC if I had a half helmet. Cheers! ~RyanF9
You say sena ain't waterproof, and i was a little worried about that. But i rode for 2h under heavy rain with my girlfriend, and both our 10s worked like charm.
To be honest, none of the comm systems I've tried have had "great" sound quality. Most of them are loud enough, but the sound is always a bit thin. If I were a real audiophile, I'd get a comm system with the option to plug in separate earphones (I think all of Cardo's lineup allows this). Then I'd get some legitimately good sound-cancelling earbuds to fit in my helmet. ~RyanF9
Hello, Do you know if "audio mixing" ("parallel audio streaming" , intercom + music) works both in DMC and Bluetooth mode? If I'd like to connect Packtalk with Midland intercom (other manufacturer) will the "Audio mixing" work for me?
Hey Ryan, I am looking for a Com system, what would you suggest? I wear a 3/4 HJC, so the Cardo will not clip in, it will have to be taped on, I am pretty anti-social so only ride with one and sometimes two other people and on occasion will want to see if they saw the hot chick in the bikini at the side of the road. Really just want it so I can hear music, my FOBO tire pressure monitor and my GPS. Ever heard of the HWY2 A.I.R.? Why don't you test to see if they are waterproof by actually tossing them in a pool? It would go hand in hand with some of your other tests...love those reviews :)
I am looking for a blue tooth for my HD Ultra classic that will plug into the coms port on my bike, any options? I hate having to be tethered to the bike.
Hi Ryan, congrats on presenting some great user videos, your style of presenting and content is always a pleasure to watch. I recently purchased a Schubert E1 with the SRC 3 Pro Comms system. Can you suggest the best helmet cam to suit this please?
To be able to communicate with other riders, do they need to have this same system or will this system communicate with other brands of Bluetooth systems?
Yep they can connect! Unless your buddy has an absolutely ancient Sena, it shouldn't be a problem. The only issue with mismatched comm systems is that you often won't be able to have large conference calls (e.g. >4 riders talking at once). But for one on one chat, you should be fine. ~RyanF9
I hate my Q1. There is a lot o trickery involved with controlling that thing - you have to remember all the shortcuts, double and triple clicks and the rider to pillion link sometimes just needs a whole minute or two to activate. When you are trying to activate something, say music or radio, it sometimes does that or sometimes beeps and says "unavailable". Because there are no normal voice announcements (other that that phone or other rider is connected) it's hard to tell what exactly is unavailable, like where in the navigation menu am I? What exactly am I doing right now pressing this buttons? Damn.
Can someone recommend me a good pair? Just need two so I can talk to my dad when we ride. (Separate bikes) I prefer under $200 but I want something that will never force me to upgrade. I was looking at the BTI V6 but any other suggestions?
Never come across one in Canada. I know there are a few devices like that sold in the UK... Back2You trackers don't require contracts if I remember correctly. But they're also much more expensive, so it kinda evens out. ~RyanF9
oh, perfect, because I dont do group riding (I am getting the 300cc xmax) and it seems that a lot of scooter clubs are mainly moped riders, and its hard to feel like I fit into motorcycle groups due to the snobbery around scooters not being worthy even though they are actually motorcycles but with a different purpose, just like cruisers compared to sports bikes. They are also very different in look, performance, and purpose, but somehow get to be called motorcycle just because you have a clutch. Anyway, hopefully I find a group that I can fit into since i moved to Colorado, but mostly I am thinking of a communication for my passenger who will be right behind me. So if I had an all around with that in mind. My only issue is how dang expensive communication systems are. As much as a new cell phone. I might as well just have mine set up to blue tooth head seats and get my passenger to call me to talk lol Maybe next year, I have a lot to buy with the xmax already and that will take the motorcycle budget for the next 6 months.
Hey man, love your no nonsense video style. I don't suppose you've done any reviews on budget comm systems. Like the ones you get on amazon for under $100? If not could you consider it?
+Swaff Corps (Theswaff699) Cardo and Sena run a pretty identical product range (on purpose, I'm sure). But in my opinion, Cardo has Sena beat when it comes to build quality. We get way fewer returns and manufacturer defects on Cardo stuff. ~RyanF9
For which comm? Doesn't much matter anyway. Manufacturers usually give ranges up near 1km, but in reality they're always shorter. 300-400m for most systems I've used. ~RyanF9
you should mention that some areas have laws against wearing ear buds while riding that way people can make sure to check with their local laws... just saying..
HBC 200's, I have 5 units, 5 thumbs down. I'm always doing firmware upgrades, but when we ride, when someone goes around a tree, they get dropped. To reconnect, pull over, all units 3 button reset, then link them AGAIN. no receipt, no service from HBC. Shady setup :(
I have been looking for com systems and I heard about a company called fusar.(fusar.com/collections/communication/products/fusar-unlimited-range-comms-system). The controls of their systems are integrated in the handlebar (something that I really like). It can also be integrated with their camera and controlled with the same system that controls the coms system. Can you tell me if it is a good unit, if the sound is clear, etc? I would like to know more about it before I think about buy one.
Florian V.D. Good, cheap comm systems don’t exist. They all suck. If you can’t afford one like this don’t waste your money. Either save up or do without. If you buy a cheap comm you WILL be disappointed.
Holy shit... 600 for something that lets you talk to 15 people? At that point just buy a CB with bluetooth and use the rest of that 600 dollars on something not over engineered. Like gas, food, and hookers.
the problem with those cardo is you need people to have one for it to work. sena works with all coms. and people actually have senas. real world you want a sena]]
I'm having trouble getting the Cardo to music share, and have intercom going at the same time. Is it just not capable of multitasking like this yet? Did you notice DMC mode having a lower volume than Bluetooth? My girlfriend and I are not finding the Packtalk to be very intuitive to use. I mean, to turn it off the manual says to just press the play button for 2 seconds. And that does nothing.
Dude these reviews are great. Just getting into the motorcycle community and these are really helping me pick out good, safe gear.
Product links and video timestamps:
2:44 - Cardo Scala Rider Packtalk: frt9.co/eyk5ra
4:39 - Uclear HBC200HD Helmet Bluetooth Communicator: frt9.co/2j418f
5:30 - SPOT Trace: frt9.co/t9ivni
I bought several units including the PackTalk Slim, and was never happy. The PackTalk actually started flaking out after less than a week and eventually wouldn't turn on. I wound up getting a Sena SMH5 and I love the thing. It's very simple and rugged and only does what I need it to do and it was < $100.
Great review. Obviously, if you covered every option out there, it would be a 2-hour video. Nice job pairing it down. I recently installed the UCLEAR boomless system in a Shark EVO-ONE helmet, and I agree that it works flawlessly. I'm very impressed with UCLEAR.
Checkout the Nolan N-Com systems, helmets are first class and the comm systems are design to fit flush not an afterthought like most other systems. Used them for years and had great service.
Any chance of a current review on communications since this is 3 years old?
Nothing has changed..
@@nightnday6675 Not really fair now in 2021. I've used Sena stuff for years and never had any problems with it. Even though one of the criticisms is there's no waterproof guarantee on them I did five days of riding in constant rain storms for four days on a European tour with no problems on mine or my sons. They always contact up with no problem either although the range isn't good. Certainly no worse than the basic Cardo system they compete with. Now of course I've upgraded to the latest mesh versions which are slightly cheaper than their Cardo counterparts in the UK and come with HD headsets which are amazing. The most interesting thing now though is one of our friends has bought himself a sub £100 chinese system. It's the usual rip off of the big brands but remarkably integrates perfectly with the rest of us. Obviously need to see how long it holds out but definitely worth looking at for people on a low budget.
So you would totally recommend.recommend the Cardo Scala Rider Packtalk Duo over a couple of Sena 10s or Sena 20s?
Another great video with good advise and information, thank you.
The comm to go for here in New Zealand is the Sena... anything less is considered cheap and nasty... However, I have just in stalled a Netphone V6-1200 into my helmet and my Wife's helmet or 2-up riding... It can link up to 6 other riders and so long as they stay within 1200m of each other, should be ok... but or two riding, will be perfect for us....
Thanks again for the info.
king joffrey's big brother, please do a video on "best alarm systems for motorcycles" thanks
Hmm yes, lots of people have asked for that. It's at the top of my list. ~RyanF9
I love the $19 no frills all business *BlueFire* with 2 key fobs and a siren that's 125 db and engine start/ cut off
+FortNine I've been thinking about a bluetooth system (I still enjoy being completely disconnected on my bike)..... However, one of the things I do not like is a bulky piece sticking out of mu helmet. I've seen the model "Air" by the company Autocom. have you ever seen/tried it?
Never tried the Air! But two things do come to mind. One is the Sena 10U which custom-fits *inside* a few helmet models (fortnine.ca/en/sena-10u-bluetooth-communication-system) and the other is the 10R which is made to be extra slim (fortnine.ca/en/sena-10r-bluetooth-headset). Hope that helps! ~RyanF9
Hi there! I appreciate your videos, I am just starting in this new "world". I am wondering that given the new models from Sena, could you please update your review of communicators, or are you still under the same impressions?
Thanks man , you just helped me decide on what i want . Much appreciate 🖒
Hi there. I'm new to all this so please forgive my ignorance. My wife and I recently purchased a 2007 Goldwing that the previous owner had fitted a Sena FreeWire to. Today we bought a Scala Rider Q1 system. So my question is... Will these work together without us having to outlay yet more money to use the intercom on the bike. Thanks for your time and hopefully a solution.
very informative. you do good work sir
Hi Ryan. I know this video is from a while back, but I was hoping you could do a video on Comms under $100. The South African Rand (ZAR) is pretty weak when compared to USD or CAD, So gear on this side gets very expensive wheb imported. are there relatively decent Comms out there for this price? Perhaps features like an FM radio, calls, comunication with other riders with the same/ other device.
Thanks for all the great content. Much love from All the way in South Africa. If you ever get a chance, come check out our country. It is the most beautiful country. Esp. when explored on a bike.
keep up the good work bro your channel is great and informative
I find it interesting that you say you receive less returns for Cardo's but on your website most Sena's have higher ratings than their Cardo counterparts. Currently using a Sena 10S myself.
How's your experience with the intercom on separate bikes? Seems like the 10s is the only unit that will allow me to use my own earbuds...
EddieLivesOnLincoln Been using it for a year now with no problems. My buddy and I go for 5-6 hour rides and always use our 10S units. Been great.
The speakers are "really loud"? Have you actually tried them at 100 kph or more? And do they sound as loud at 100 KPH as they do at 50 kph? And at what volume level do you have them set, full, or half way?
Hey thanks Ryan. Just wondering though, would the scalar q1 teamset fit a schuberth c3 pro?
Hello! Yep, it should fit fine. You'll just have to install the unit a little further back (behind the part of the chin bar that lifts). ~RyanF9
Ryan, a big and warm "hello" to you from Brazil!
After watch your video, my only doubt is if any of this communication systems would pair up with an action cam. Which one do you use to record your videos (I mean, cam & communication system)?
Thanks in advance,
Luis
Hi Luis! I don't use a comm system to record audio in my vlogs. But it is possible, using something like Sena's GP10 backpack for the GoPro. All the comms in this video should work with the GP10, but note that you'll only be able to record your own voice. If you used a SENA comm instead, you'd be able to record the voices of multiple people in your group and get a higher quality audio. You can hear what it sounds like in this video: th-cam.com/video/RBuknpRjk54/w-d-xo.html Cheers! ~RyanF9
Ryan, thanks a lot for your time and your advice!
While I was looking for the GP10 and a GoPro (wich one do you use? I heard that the Hero4 has an overheating issue, do you know anything about it?), I found the Sena 10C, which seems to be a sensible option (one device to do sound and images). Do you have any thoughts about it?
Sorry for bothering you so much. I guess my generation is a bit too analogic for this stuff... better get advice from those who know better.
Have a great weekend, looking forward to you next video - the ADV bike is alredy watched!
Ryan, I got the Q1 a couple of weeks ago and i got a big gripe. It will not work 100% with my passanger! Is it broked? My retailer told me to factory reset the devices and redo the pairing process.
I really like a the final product you showed. Is there something similar but smaller for a helmet? Because they can be pretty big investments as well.
A group of us r looking at Cardo Pak and the Sena 20S most of us wear half helmets but you introduced another unit the HBC 200HD is that a different system completely does it offer the same features as the Pak?
It's a different system completely. I prefer the Uclear HBC200 HD on half helmets, because the boom-less mics are perfect for killing wind noise. ~RyanF9
hey ryan how do you afford all the gear that you review in these videos man? Are you purchasing each peice of gear or does the company reach out to you?
Hello! FortNine is an online retailer here in Canada - they help me get the gear I need. ~RyanF9
FortNine cool man, keep up the nice vids man, I really enjoy them!
Ryan! We used those SPOT devices in BC for school. Saved our butts one time for sure. Now that I know that they have those trackers, I'll be getting one for the FZ.
I am curious as to if those Cardo's will link up with other brands. Most people I know are on Sena units and I definitely don't want to be left out of the convos any more.
Hey Jordan! The short answer is yes - most Cardos will link up with Sena units. But normally you're limited on how many mixed-manufacturer devices you can pair. For example, some Cardo devices can do 4-way intercom, but only one of those can be a non-Cardo unit. That's definitely not a hard rule though.. it gets a bit complex depending on which device you have, and which devices your group is using. ~RyanF9
Hey Ryan, does the Sena GP10 work with the Cardo Packtalk, or is there a similar system made by them for their coms units? Thank you. Love the videos too, keep 'em coming.
Hey! The GP10 *does* work with the Cardo PackTalk. Only downside is you'll only be able to record your own voice. If you had a Sena comm system, you'd be able to record the voices of other riders that you're paired with, too. Also you can't record full HD audio with the GP10 when it's paired with a non-Sena comm. But to be honest, I can't really hear the difference between HD and non-HD anyway. Hope that helps! Cardo hasn't released a similar GoPro backpack yet... maybe soon. ~RyanF9
FortNine Awesome, thanks for the quick response. One last question relating... With the GP10 is it only myself that requires the Sena headset to hear the group chat on playback from GoPro footage or, do all the other riders require Sena gear too to use this feature?
I *think* only you require the Sena. But there will be a limit on the size of your intercom group, and it depends what software everyone is running (it's the "universal intercom" upgrade that is relevant here). Basically there needs to be no greater than a 1:1 ratio of Senas to non-Senas in your group (not including the GP10). So you could do GP10:YourSena:Cardo or GP10:YourSena:Cardo:AnotherSena:AnotherCardo. But you couldn't do GP10:YourSena:Cardo:AnotherCardo ... does that make sense? Comms are confusing haha. Also everyone will need fairly recent and high-end communicators, because the older and cheaper devices can't do universal intercom! ~RyanF9
FortNine That makes sense. Thanks again for your information. Very informative as usual. Happy new year! Ride safe! Josh
Great review! What about Q3 ? The Q1 is only passenger, but the Q3 can go up to 1KM, would the price bump be worth it ?
+Dulf Nordensvärd Hmm tough question. Personally, I would not buy the Q3. It's a bit outdated, and that's always bad when it comes to technology. If you want a rider-passenger comm, get the Q1 and save your money. If you want a rider-rider comm, then you're asking a lot more of your device. It's worth spending to get something that works properly from bike to bike. At the very least, I'd try to save up and get the G9x. Even better would be the PackTalk. ~RyanF9
FortNine Really ? Thank you Ryan! Didn't know that since my dealer told me to get the Q3 without question.
I've had the Q1 for about a month and love it, and more importantly, my girlfriend loves it more. It was a night and day difference being able to talk to each other on rides, and she feels much more comfortable with it. Music streaming is super clear and loud and the battery life is great. Nobody I ride with has comm units, so this made the most sense.
Just bought Q3 - microphones is not working at all. And I tried everything a normal computer-literate user would do.
I tried even to pair it with friends iPhone 6S - didnt even pair.
I feel i chose the right system (G9x duo) given that you have two cardos on the list. NIce review btw :D
Yes, I think you chose well too. In my opinion, no one can match Cardo when it comes to build quality and reliability at the moment. ~RyanF9
Have you already tried the Cardo Freecom1? Is it going to be on the 2017 best?
Yep... and it does feature in the 2017 video *very briefly*. Essentially it's the best unit for solo riding... so long as you don't want to connect to any other device, the Freecom 1 can't be beat. ~RyanF9
Love the info thanks again bro
Just bought 2 Gmax 64 modular helmets and unfortunately the slider to raise and lower the sun visor is on the left side. Any idea if the Cardo Q1 will mount nicely on these helmets?
Never installed on a GM64 myself, but I had a look at one in the warehouse for you. I reckon the only way to make it work is to mount the Q1 on the right hand side. Obviously that's a bit annoying for your throttle hand, but not the end of the world. The only other option would be to pull out the chin skirt and try to mount the Q1 more forward on the chin bar, but I personally wouldn't want my device there, and I'm not sure it will work anyway with the way the EPS foam sits. ~RyanF9
Hi there, cardo seems promising but was going through some threads and seems sena still the best. what's your thought and i am planning to buy one so could you refer some.
In my opinion, the Cardo PackTalk is still the best. We see fewer returns and manufacturer defects with Cardo than we do with Sena. ~RF9
Thanks foe your quick response.Is this one waterproof unlike 20s which seems to be not working even with splashes
So i have narrowed down my choices to force,cardo and sena. Can you refer me which one would be better out of these three amd there specific product. that would be helpful. thanks
Yes, the Cardo PackTalk is waterproof. That's one of the reasons I prefer it to Sena! ~RF9
I'm still laughing from that joke, "small novel which they call an instruction manual" LOLOL
If i buy a Cardo and my friend uses the Sena with the camera will we be able to communicate together?
Was wondering the same thing
If he has a Sena 20S you can, then he needs to make the group
Depends on the specific devices you're both using... let me know! ~RyanF9
Newer Sena's allow for intercom use with other branded intercoms.
I'm having trouble getting the Cardo to music share, and have intercom going at the same time. Is it just not capable of multitasking like this yet? Did you notice DMC mode having a lower volume than Bluetooth? My girlfriend and I are not finding the Packtalk to be very intuitive to use. I mean, to turn it off the manual says to just press the play button for 2 seconds. And that does nothing.
surprised SENA wasn't mentioned since TH-cam communuty for motovlogging seem to be in favor of it. what would be the equivalent kind, in Cardo lineup, to SENA 10S?
Rather ironically, I personally use a SENA. But I'd buy a Cardo next time around. From our experience with selling *a lot* of these devices, Cardos typically see fewer returns and happier customers. Check out the G9x for a comparable unit to the 10S. ~RyanF9
Thanks Ryan. I was almost about to buy the 10S, but I guess I'll reconsider it. thanks!
I think it's a great thing that Canada's Motorcycle is pushing TH-cam as one of the frontiers for reaching to Canadians. Getting expert opinions and advice are far more valuable than paper-specs. keep it up!
Could you please tell me the difference in music sound quality between the Cardo Scala Rider PackTalk vs Sena 20s vs UClear HBC200 Force? I want to use a system mostly for listening to music riding solo and will be used with a AGV Skyline Solid helmet and 2007 Honda Shadow Spirit 750. Thank you soo much Ryan, wicked videos and keep up the great work!
Hey! Not much difference between them. The PackTalk sounded like the cleanest audio to me, but not by much. If you're interested in good sound quality, the best thing you can do is to buy aftermarket speakers / ear pods. Cheers! ~RyanF9
Yea I think i'll end up going with Boss MC650B audio system or a nice pair of sound isolating earbuds. Thanks brother!!
Whats your opinion on chatterbox for hjc helmets?
How would you use the PackTalk and a GoPro? I know Sena has that audiopack for GoPro or is that not needed?
How does the Cardo Scala Rider Packtalk stack up to the Sena 30K? or HBC200HD, if its also capable of pinging chat off of other riders in the group chat.
PackTalk is still the best. 30K is similarly brilliant when it comes to group networking, but like much of Sena's stuff it ain't waterproof. Also it's more expensive than the PackTalk. As for the HBC200HD, it's much more finicky than the other two to pair up. I'd only choose the HBC if I had a half helmet. Cheers! ~RyanF9
You say sena ain't waterproof, and i was a little worried about that. But i rode for 2h under heavy rain with my girlfriend, and both our 10s worked like charm.
Hey what would be the best system for MUSIC? Some systems are hard to hear the music. What has the best sound?
To be honest, none of the comm systems I've tried have had "great" sound quality. Most of them are loud enough, but the sound is always a bit thin. If I were a real audiophile, I'd get a comm system with the option to plug in separate earphones (I think all of Cardo's lineup allows this). Then I'd get some legitimately good sound-cancelling earbuds to fit in my helmet. ~RyanF9
Good video!......
Hello,
Do you know if "audio mixing" ("parallel audio streaming" , intercom + music) works both in DMC and Bluetooth mode?
If I'd like to connect Packtalk with Midland intercom (other manufacturer) will the "Audio mixing" work for me?
Is blue tooth systems better than two way communication as I have heard that they dis s connected past line of site (blue tooth )
Hey Ryan, I am looking for a Com system, what would you suggest? I wear a 3/4 HJC, so the Cardo will not clip in, it will have to be taped on, I am pretty anti-social so only ride with one and sometimes two other people and on occasion will want to see if they saw the hot chick in the bikini at the side of the road. Really just want it so I can hear music, my FOBO tire pressure monitor and my GPS. Ever heard of the HWY2 A.I.R.? Why don't you test to see if they are waterproof by actually tossing them in a pool? It would go hand in hand with some of your other tests...love those reviews :)
what should i use for riding dirt in a group of 4-10(leader and tail would be talking., with a Bell Moto-9 Carbon Flex
Time to update this one!
I am looking for a blue tooth for my HD Ultra classic that will plug into the coms port on my bike, any options? I hate having to be tethered to the bike.
Hi Ryan, congrats on presenting some great user videos, your style of presenting and content is always a pleasure to watch. I recently purchased a Schubert E1 with the SRC 3 Pro Comms system. Can you suggest the best helmet cam to suit this please?
To be able to communicate with other riders, do they need to have this same system or will this system communicate with other brands of Bluetooth systems?
Sena 10R is highly recommended!
have you tried fusar yet?
Have an updated video for 2022?
Can different brands of comms connect to each other. If my buddy already has a Sena and I want a Cardo. Will they connect?
Yep they can connect! Unless your buddy has an absolutely ancient Sena, it shouldn't be a problem. The only issue with mismatched comm systems is that you often won't be able to have large conference calls (e.g. >4 riders talking at once). But for one on one chat, you should be fine. ~RyanF9
and what about good old earphones+smartphone combo? nothing beats the price and possibilities are endless... im surprised noone ever talks about that
any one else think it's wierd that he parks his bike in the house alll the time ??😂😂
It's a recording set, not a real house. FortNine isn't a personal channel. They're an online retailer like Revzilla but for Canada.
can you record the audio to your phone on any of these?
any of these ok for full face helmets?
Yep - both the Cardos are great for full faces. ~RyanF9
well if she finds you at the hot neighbors house you're probably gunna die anyways.
after pairing, do they recognize themselves without the need to pair again through the gateway ??
0:00 that face though
I hate my Q1. There is a lot o trickery involved with controlling that thing - you have to remember all the shortcuts, double and triple clicks and the rider to pillion link sometimes just needs a whole minute or two to activate. When you are trying to activate something, say music or radio, it sometimes does that or sometimes beeps and says "unavailable". Because there are no normal voice announcements (other that that phone or other rider is connected) it's hard to tell what exactly is unavailable, like where in the navigation menu am I? What exactly am I doing right now pressing this buttons? Damn.
Gday, I need a good basic system with decent sound. However my needs are simple. Communication with a pillion and GPS instruction.
You need to do the best but cheapest intercom systems
Can someone recommend me a good pair? Just need two so I can talk to my dad when we ride. (Separate bikes) I prefer under $200 but I want something that will never force me to upgrade. I was looking at the BTI V6 but any other suggestions?
how many sets can you communicate?
With which device? ~RyanF9
Anyone knows of a similar product as the SPOT Trace that does not require a contract?
Never come across one in Canada. I know there are a few devices like that sold in the UK... Back2You trackers don't require contracts if I remember correctly. But they're also much more expensive, so it kinda evens out. ~RyanF9
finally I found it
can you a vid for motorcycle dashcam?
right on man, you nailed it!
what makes the first one for passengers couldn't it work with close riding
Nah, the range is really that bad. Works great within a few feet. But from bike to bike, you'll be constantly dropping the signal. ~RyanF9
thanks mate
oh, perfect, because I dont do group riding (I am getting the 300cc xmax) and it seems that a lot of scooter clubs are mainly moped riders, and its hard to feel like I fit into motorcycle groups due to the snobbery around scooters not being worthy even though they are actually motorcycles but with a different purpose, just like cruisers compared to sports bikes. They are also very different in look, performance, and purpose, but somehow get to be called motorcycle just because you have a clutch.
Anyway, hopefully I find a group that I can fit into since i moved to Colorado, but mostly I am thinking of a communication for my passenger who will be right behind me. So if I had an all around with that in mind.
My only issue is how dang expensive communication systems are. As much as a new cell phone. I might as well just have mine set up to blue tooth head seats and get my passenger to call me to talk lol
Maybe next year, I have a lot to buy with the xmax already and that will take the motorcycle budget for the next 6 months.
Hey man, love your no nonsense video style. I don't suppose you've done any reviews on budget comm systems. Like the ones you get on amazon for under $100?
If not could you consider it?
why not any of the senas?
+Swaff Corps (Theswaff699) Cardo and Sena run a pretty identical product range (on purpose, I'm sure). But in my opinion, Cardo has Sena beat when it comes to build quality. We get way fewer returns and manufacturer defects on Cardo stuff. ~RyanF9
Do you need a sim for the gps tracker?
nope
too much 600 bucks for a Bluetooth device, lets get real !
Vladut Tudose especially if u can just use headphones and ur phones
whats the range ??
For which comm? Doesn't much matter anyway. Manufacturers usually give ranges up near 1km, but in reality they're always shorter. 300-400m for most systems I've used. ~RyanF9
thnx
This guy looks like Jeoffrey from GoT. So unsettling.
you should mention that some areas have laws against wearing ear buds while riding that way people can make sure to check with their local laws... just saying..
The last one must be installed in a place where a thief will not check that easy. I mean, be creative and hide your gps tracker.
HBC 200's, I have 5 units, 5 thumbs down. I'm always doing firmware upgrades, but when we ride, when someone goes around a tree, they get dropped. To reconnect, pull over, all units 3 button reset, then link them AGAIN. no receipt, no service from HBC.
Shady setup :(
Baby Tarantino we salute you
Where is the first ones link
I have been looking for com systems and I heard about a company called fusar.(fusar.com/collections/communication/products/fusar-unlimited-range-comms-system).
The controls of their systems are integrated in the handlebar (something that I really like). It can also be integrated with their camera and controlled with the same system that controls the coms system.
Can you tell me if it is a good unit, if the sound is clear, etc?
I would like to know more about it before I think about buy one.
each part should be partly recorded with the system its talking about
best cheap com systems?
Florian V.D. Good, cheap comm systems don’t exist. They all suck. If you can’t afford one like this don’t waste your money. Either save up or do without. If you buy a cheap comm you WILL be disappointed.
Done
Holy shit... 600 for something that lets you talk to 15 people? At that point just buy a CB with bluetooth and use the rest of that 600 dollars on something not over engineered. Like gas, food, and hookers.
You look exactly 13. How old are you man? lol
Great info by the way though .
Old eneough to be 6'1" and have a wife
which does't mean shit.
though i do have a coworker who looks 28 and is 49, must be awesome to get carded till you are 40+
+Ram-n_dodge hey I wish I looked that young! Just my observation :)
So that means 12 in Louisiana
you have a wife??!!
Nimajus Bagdonavicius exactly what I thought..!
He hardly looks like he finished high school...
Same sex marriage has been a thing in Canada for a while now.
the problem with those cardo is you need people to have one for it to work. sena works with all coms. and people actually have senas. real world you want a sena]]
Is this how riders talk to each other while riding ?
No. We just shout really loud. 😀
Anything cheaper for me and the wife just to talk back n forth with eachother on the same bike while riding?
damn. senna is slacking
too long, did not watch. which one won?
u pluck ur eyebrows
Literally repeated what RevZilla said..
He is totally paid..No mention of any SENA bluetooth
I'm having trouble getting the Cardo to music share, and have intercom going at the same time. Is it just not capable of multitasking like this yet? Did you notice DMC mode having a lower volume than Bluetooth? My girlfriend and I are not finding the Packtalk to be very intuitive to use. I mean, to turn it off the manual says to just press the play button for 2 seconds. And that does nothing.