When calculating for the regular mini's dps, I said that you can place 10 rangers instead of 7. with 7 rangers, 3 commanders, and 1 DJ, that gives you 29 slots, 158DPS x 29Minis = 4582DPS. Also you can place 10 rangers if you say otherwise ur wrong >:)
You have to consider 1. The fact that you arent always gonna be playing solo and therefor wont have those max 40 slots and 2. they also take up a LOT more space than G Mini due to beeing just more in general, meaning some might be in worse spots leading to less covering of the map and so less damage in total. A higher DPS does not always mean its better
I actually think the new balance between regular and golden is really healthy, since it doesnt make golden minigunners just outright better than regular, and gives you a better tower than the original while keeping the regular one for niche solo strats
Fun fact: cowboy is the only golden that people still switch back to normal version due to his different spike on both version He is not an upgrade he likes an alternate version of the normal cowboy (like the 2 spike in pvz2)
@@WilcentEdwardnormal cowboy used to be better than the golden cowboy but then after golden cowboy got buffed basically everyone that had golden cowboy never switched to normal cowboy(like me lol) unless they want to do like a challange or something
@@totallyadude he expensive in trio or squad tho while normal give almost same cash output for cheaper cost and even cheaper placement And while spamming lvl 2 normal cowboy, the golden cowboy will just be spam for level 0 he already got damage and cash for that level upgrade only to waste your money on early game and make cowboy make less cash
So you can actually spam level 2 g cowboys while giving you more cash and dps while normal cowboy is just kinda mid ngl Max g cowboy gives 250 cash while normal cowboy only gives 180 and g cowboy deals more dps Meaning that g cowboy can defend early game way better than normal cowboy@@WilcentEdward
@@WilcentEdwardand g cowboy can pay itself pretty fast so its almost impossible to waste money unless you put it in the back as leak def for some reason
Personally, definitely not, the max gmini's rev up time is quite a hassle, but gmini still has better value, higher range, and is more dense, meaning you can fit more dps into less towers, making it better for quad and trio
It's still a 50k gold tower (at minimum), the pros are nice but having it be somewhat situational makes no god damn sense. It should be a clear upgrade from regular mini. As it stands I just don't think it's worth it
He is awful when used in boss fights like void reaver he never able to damage him due to the ridiculous revs up time and void reaver's stun spam and he is worse on boss like awakening fallen king or nuclear monster Like... he have that much damage just to hurt normal and hidden enemies? Sure i know medic exists but waste another slot for a tower to fully unlock its potential is meh (and medic kinda useless beside boss wave also)
I love how back then everyone complained how g mini had no placement limit and was outclassed by every other dps tower except in solos, and now everyone is complaining how its not good for solo anymore and is only good for multiplayer. Really shows how yall just always want something to complain about for everything… I hope you guys open your eyes and realize that there is a word in the dictionary called “b a l a n c e”.
@@Human0987 that's not gonna change anything. People will conyinue to complain its lack of use in squads. Why not just use the normal variant now? It's good that there's two ways to use the tower now.
@PraiseTheLordyourGodJesus everyone complained, it was literally outclassed by EVERYTHING when playing the game because of its weak DPS per tower. People would rather have more dps in one tower and a placement limit because that way they can use more of other DPS towers and maximize their damage.
gmini is rather worse in trios/squads with a placement cap of 20 and 25 while gmini has a placement limit of 15, 10 extra towers wouldnt be enough for support and extra dps
tbh, g mini is better than reg mini mostly because that you'll most likely find other players to play with, and 15 placement limit is very high tbh. it's practically better to use g mini, as the 15 placement limit is too much when you're in a match with other people. in a quad, 15 placement limit is pretty much useless, while in solo, u also can get other dps towers. g mini basically on top
It’s like saying 40 regular mini gunners are better than 8 accl because the dps is more, however your never going to get more than 15 mini gunner considering; Support, farm, extra dps and flying detection. Even if you do, just use another dps tower like engi with g mini.
Oke u right but: If not only minis is dps in loadout? If not solo gaming? Overall g mini more recreational then reg mini, and it's why g mini better, oh... 3:47 sorry
it still the matter of how much player there are in a team like this is the same situation as engineer and accel and so does the golden mini (if you playing with many player then engi,accel and gold mini are all good but if you are solo then normal mini is a win)
@@niceuuuuuuwhen you only bring 1 dps tower then normal mini is better But if you bring more than 1 dps tower than g mini is WAY better G mini beats normal mini by alot
Honestly even tho G mini got changed. I'm glad that no placement limit best solo dps tower aspect were moved onto regular mini instead but also making it better too. Not taking that away.
Golden minigunner: better at quad, larger range, 40% more dps, better value Regular minigunner: cheaper, worser value, higher placement limit, more space wasted (due to the golden minigunner supposed to be a powerhouse)
personally i dislike the gmini changes. it made gmini go from "objectively the best solo option for dps" to "another generic dps option in duo trio or quad"
it had to be made for gmini to not be useless outside of solo though funnily enough, now nmini is stuck in that dilemma of being a god in solo matches, but practically irrelevant elsewhere
@@thatonedude920no, gmini is great everywhere, since ur teammates can bring good loadouts (medic, early game, sub dps) while u bring gmini, commander, dj, merc and farm. even on quad, u can place all of those towers and not lack anything.
When calculating for the regular mini's dps, I said that you can place 10 rangers instead of 7. with 7 rangers, 3 commanders, and 1 DJ, that gives you 29 slots, 158DPS x 29Minis = 4582DPS.
Also you can place 10 rangers if you say otherwise ur wrong >:)
You have to consider 1. The fact that you arent always gonna be playing solo and therefor wont have those max 40 slots
and 2. they also take up a LOT more space than G Mini due to beeing just more in general, meaning some might be in worse spots leading to less covering of the map and so less damage in total.
A higher DPS does not always mean its better
I actually think the new balance between regular and golden is really healthy, since it doesnt make golden minigunners just outright better than regular, and gives you a better tower than the original while keeping the regular one for niche solo strats
You can only place 4 rangers…
@@yongjiezheng9051 i thought you can only place one 💀
Fun fact: Once people opened the golden perk for minigunner, most of them never switch to normal minigunner. For example: Me 😅
Fun fact: cowboy is the only golden that people still switch back to normal version due to his different spike on both version
He is not an upgrade he likes an alternate version of the normal cowboy (like the 2 spike in pvz2)
@@WilcentEdwardnormal cowboy used to be better than the golden cowboy but then after golden cowboy got buffed basically everyone that had golden cowboy never switched to normal cowboy(like me lol) unless they want to do like a challange or something
@@totallyadude he expensive in trio or squad tho while normal give almost same cash output for cheaper cost and even cheaper placement
And while spamming lvl 2 normal cowboy, the golden cowboy will just be spam for level 0
he already got damage and cash for that level upgrade only to waste your money on early game and make cowboy make less cash
So you can actually spam level 2 g cowboys while giving you more cash and dps while normal cowboy is just kinda mid ngl
Max g cowboy gives 250 cash while normal cowboy only gives 180 and g cowboy deals more dps
Meaning that g cowboy can defend early game way better than normal cowboy@@WilcentEdward
@@WilcentEdwardand g cowboy can pay itself pretty fast so its almost impossible to waste money unless you put it in the back as leak def for some reason
Personally, definitely not, the max gmini's rev up time is quite a hassle, but gmini still has better value, higher range, and is more dense, meaning you can fit more dps into less towers, making it better for quad and trio
It's still a 50k gold tower (at minimum), the pros are nice but having it be somewhat situational makes no god damn sense. It should be a clear upgrade from regular mini. As it stands I just don't think it's worth it
He is awful when used in boss fights like void reaver he never able to damage him due to the ridiculous revs up time and void reaver's stun spam and he is worse on boss like awakening fallen king or nuclear monster
Like... he have that much damage just to hurt normal and hidden enemies?
Sure i know medic exists but waste another slot for a tower to fully unlock its potential is meh (and medic kinda useless beside boss wave also)
Gmini rev up time is not good,and that also means enemies can get pass easier
@@youraveragejoe2712pyro and crook are situacional too
Bruh, g mini has only 40 dps more than regular mini, and its more expensive plus placement limit, so g mini totally loses.
If minigunner didn’t have placement limit it would be better
I love how back then everyone complained how g mini had no placement limit and was outclassed by every other dps tower except in solos, and now everyone is complaining how its not good for solo anymore and is only good for multiplayer. Really shows how yall just always want something to complain about for everything… I hope you guys open your eyes and realize that there is a word in the dictionary called “b a l a n c e”.
Ngl, I liked the old better. They could have just buffed gold mini's dps to like 157 like reg mini now
@@Human0987 that's not gonna change anything. People will conyinue to complain its lack of use in squads. Why not just use the normal variant now? It's good that there's two ways to use the tower now.
Nobody complained that g mini had no placement limit
@PraiseTheLordyourGodJesus everyone complained, it was literally outclassed by EVERYTHING when playing the game because of its weak DPS per tower. People would rather have more dps in one tower and a placement limit because that way they can use more of other DPS towers and maximize their damage.
@@PraiseTheLordyourGodJesus I don't think you read my reply to the other guy.
guys, remember that u can put 15 G minis and like other 25 militants or 8 accel and cowboy spam etc.
yeah more doesn't mean better
whoever uses accel on solo must be crazy lol 💀
@@fiprandom3783 why tho?
@@agabuga7097 accel is just not good enough anymore basically XD
@@fiprandom3783 still better than g mini or like most of the other towers
Simple answer: just don’t use golden mini if it’s solo/maybe duo, and use normal if solo
fym? 15 placement, you’re not just gonna bring gmini, you’re either bringing gmini + dps with support along with farm
15 g minis, 6 engis, 1 dj, 7 rangers 8 farms. 15 gminis, 8 accels, 6 engis, 1 dj 8 farms which will be more efficient rather than using regular minis
gmini is rather worse in trios/squads with a placement cap of 20 and 25 while gmini has a placement limit of 15, 10 extra towers wouldnt be enough for support and extra dps
@@Ahtohuko commander with normal minigunner ?
In fact, Max Mini + Max DJ (red track) + Max Merc Base has bassically the same DPS as Max G Mini
for more than double the price
how about you buff the gmini too
In fact. No, it got 10 less dps, bcs 23.8 dmg will round up to 23
fun fact: gmini with cmder, dj, and merc is close to 400 dps per mini
fun fact: the highest dps you can get out of 1 tower is turret with more than 1.4k dps
It just depends on the situation if you have alot of spare placement limit or not :) W vid!!!🐢🔥🔥
Golden minigunner actually made me lose on solo fallen rocket arena, whereas replaying it using the same strategy with normal minigunner I easily won.
Ur just ass lol
what???
cause normal mini is better in solo
@@nfrax2 No i think this guy has skill issue
@@louie-t2e it defenitely is better
Tbh, I already liked that they added lead detection, and they just removed it. It was already useful enough with lead detection and no placement limit
tbh, g mini is better than reg mini mostly because that you'll most likely find other players to play with, and 15 placement limit is very high tbh. it's practically better to use g mini, as the 15 placement limit is too much when you're in a match with other people. in a quad, 15 placement limit is pretty much useless, while in solo, u also can get other dps towers. g mini basically on top
Legit i hate that golden mini has a placement limit it took away his neash of best solo dps tower
It’s like saying 40 regular mini gunners are better than 8 accl because the dps is more, however your never going to get more than 15 mini gunner considering; Support, farm, extra dps and flying detection. Even if you do, just use another dps tower like engi with g mini.
G mini place limit and space is way more efficient, also remember g mini has 2 more range, its seem not too much but it Important
actually normal mini has 15 range
@@MaPieRkthat is honestly trash aaah ranye
TDS players when they hear a tower has 0.1 more DPS at the cost of -500 range, no detections, and no stun immunity: 🤯
Only in TDX ahh player
WORTH IT!!!!
lets note how in order to directly get gold mini, it costs 70k in the shop. this means that golden mini has a whopping cost of 78000.
ok
You have just made me feel better about not having golden minigunner
Thanks.
you forgot that you can't have 40 minis in good places also supports
Yooo another non popular TH-camr with good content. Good luck with growing up your channel :) since my will probably never get popular.
Bro forgot that L-3 g minigunner is faster than L-4 which is good for heavy fast targets.
Gold Mini is Built for The Meta, The Meta is Mutliple Dps Towers so a Placement Limit is A Change That dosent Really Affect it
Oke u right but:
If not only minis is dps in loadout?
If not solo gaming?
Overall g mini more recreational then reg mini, and it's why g mini better, oh... 3:47 sorry
lol
1:56 7 rangers
Ig im still used to being able to place 10 rangers
@@Dove3in1damn, its been almost a year since ranger got reworked
@@randomistic7183 lol ik
@@Dove3in1same
it still the matter of how much player there are in a team
like this is the same situation as engineer and accel and so does the golden mini (if you playing with many player then engi,accel and gold mini are all good but if you are solo then normal mini is a win)
In solos, yes
If you plan on ONLY spamming reg minis (no sub DPS) than yea but its def not worth using over G mini.
Nah, even in solos g mini is better
@@niceuuuuuuwhen you only bring 1 dps tower then normal mini is better
But if you bring more than 1 dps tower than g mini is WAY better
G mini beats normal mini by alot
Not even in solos you can just about get 15 max g minis by wave 40 idk how your gunna get 40 reg minis before it
I didnt even know they gave gmini a limit, rip gmini spam.
Dude, toilet paper(dove) is teaching me how reg minigunner is better
Fun fact: i just want g mini for the skin and the perk so when i feel like it
this warden range its so HUGE 🔥🔥🔥🔥
regular good for solo gold good for trio and quad duo is in the middle
it costs 58k, not 50 bc u need to buy normal minnigunner for it
Yo bro I'm your 594th subcriber
Many these kids not watch to the end video and already commenting 😂
Honestly even tho G mini got changed. I'm glad that no placement limit best solo dps tower aspect were moved onto regular mini instead but also making it better too. Not taking that away.
Gold mini should be buffed(and the regular mini too like 1 damage and a lot of range because its like very very sad that 50k= almost a -50k tower)
is 15 g minis better than 8 accels both maxed
atleast it can have its max potential in quad
in solo you can place 40 tower, not 30
He said that …
Golden minigunner: better at quad, larger range, 40% more dps, better value
Regular minigunner: cheaper, worser value, higher placement limit, more space wasted (due to the golden minigunner supposed to be a powerhouse)
personally i think ergular minigunner and golden minigunner ties when it comes to duo
ranger + engineer tops all combos i dont care
Gmini is better for playing with multiple people, and regular mini is better in solo
Golden Mini vs Accelerator
Golden crate should be like 25k coins, i hate grinding tds just for a better versions of a few tower
cry abt it, golden crates are fair
25k?
G crate in my opinion should be 75 k
@@OrangeJae dont give them ideas
Its called power creeping.
What's the game called?
it’s called tower defense X
i think its tower heroes
Tower defense simulator
Skibid defense
Nah, pretty sure it's called Tower Battles
G minigunner is definitely better than golden, just cuz it has more damage
Nobody is talking about how he just soloed fallen rework with no problem 💀💀💀
It's not hard to solo
Not like it's that hard
It's doable if you have a good loadout
It aint hard
I literally soloed fallen mode a few times already
Why talk about it in the first place?
Not hard.
I already farmed 50k coins so, wowzers
Lmao even in solo the g mini is better because the normal mini got dog ass range
G mini almost for squad or trio xd
Oh god golden mini literally has much more dps
Look carefully at the placement limit, normal is better than golden.
@@yellowsheeplili8459 so what? Golden mini has more value, DPS, range and placement of 15 is still insane
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dumb comparison, dumb video, gmini still better in solo
personally i dislike the gmini changes. it made gmini go from "objectively the best solo option for dps" to "another generic dps option in duo trio or quad"
It was not worth 75-50k coins but now it's worth it
The placement limit is killing what was the purpose of it in the first place, a spammable DPS
The whole point of golds is you can spam them (not crook and cowboy for obvious reasons) having the option was still good.
it had to be made for gmini to not be useless outside of solo though
funnily enough, now nmini is stuck in that dilemma of being a god in solo matches, but practically irrelevant elsewhere
@@thatonedude920no, gmini is great everywhere, since ur teammates can bring good loadouts (medic, early game, sub dps) while u bring gmini, commander, dj, merc and farm. even on quad, u can place all of those towers and not lack anything.
Bruh this game just sucks at balancing