Totally agree with Patrick. In the 90s I knew all of the big race winners and could spend 15-20 minutes studying form. These days it's non stop, which has resulted in me being far more selective in my bets. Only the punters who can't read form etc enjoy this overload.
I couldn't agree more. I've been basically obsessed with racing since I was young and often enough, there would be a horse I want to watch and there'd be another on a different channel. I'd have to record and go back. You'd be flicking channels so often that you eventually end up missing out on a race that you wanted to watch
I'm a small player with a fading interest in racing due to the very facts that Patrick highlights. There is simply too much racing to keep up with or analyse even at the lowest levels. Races packed together from midday to late evening are bound to lead to the average punter losing enthusiasm. I agree that the answer is to be more discriminatory in choice of race if there is an answer tot the present situation.
Back in the day average joe knew the derby main contenders and who they fancy. Ask a bloke in the street who he fancies for the derby and most won't have a clue. But they know who is in strictly come dancing, big brother or some other reality crap.
He’s spot on.. virtually impossible to keep up with the volume of racing.. it’s near on a full time job.. the relentless nature of the fixture list will ultimately be detrimental to the sport.. new fans of the sport will be put off straight away as they simply won’t be able to keep up or pick up / retain enough knowledge to manifest a long term interest.. the rolling fat cats & decision makers in the industry driven by bookmakers will no doubt do nothing to rectify things..
he has a good point.flat racing has become a farce .. i stopped betting on flat racing a few year back because of the bookie friendly low grade tight handicaps that flood the cards... jump racing only nd take more of an interest mid october when the cheltenham horses re appear. this way you get the anticipation of a season starting in oct nd ending after the punchestown festival some time in may. many punters i know follow jumps racing only with cheltenham in mind nd have dropped flat racing alltogether.. top interview.. talks sense..
I cannot bet on most handicaps because the handicapper has adjusted the weights to have a blanket finish, so one needs to find the 'group horse in a handicap', or one which is due to go up in weight in the future.
I worked in a chocolate factory, and we were allowed to eat as much as we wanted. Brilliant for a few days and I stuffed my face and tried every variety - and then never touched any after that. If we'd have had a rule where I could only have one per day. I'd have lasted much longer
I do think there is to much racing don't think it should drop as much as he suggests. I was a casual for a while and following pretty much religiously for 2 years still don't have a great grasp of average racing. I know 2 years shouldn't make u an expert but if you are a new fan who has a slight intrest after cheltenham or aintree and u know nothing looking at 3 to 5 meeting everyday is a barrier to entry
There´s been far too much racing for decades but I cannot remember it ever being worse, in my 45 years following the sport. Quantity over quality. Redcar, Newcastle, Leicester, Catterick, Newmarket... cavalry charge handicaps, ultra competitive handicaps, handicaps...or sellers, or claimers, where anything can win and old moderate horses take it in turns to win. Great for bookies but terrible for punters.For me, and many, the likelihood of potential reward just does´t justify putting in the time necessary to study these races. Daily betting has become grinding, the intensity relentless. No fun really. I like to take a few days off from punting now and then, just to recharge. Just look back to how interesting the racing schedule was after the lockdown, with top quality racing every week and compare it what we´re looking at now.
Oh, and while on the subject of quantity over quality, Racing TV...you should never have tried to incorporate Irish racing into your already comfortably filled schedules. Do the Irish racing authorities deliberately schedule three mile chases five minutes before the UK´s best races???
@@anotherblonde I think that ITV Racing has been immensley popular, but I don't watch it assiduously, because on a Saturday there are a lot of good horses running, and I can't waste 'study time' watching light entertainment.
Come to think of it, I remember watching sprinter sacre winning last race and I was buzzing before the race and even more buzzing watching the win, that was the last time I felt like that now days its just another horse in the market.
I think his point about people need to go outside + get some exercise + sunlight is correct. The way his idea fails is lack of concern for the horses + the racecourses.Horses with limited ability have far more opportunities now than ever.Jockeys have far more opportunities than ever especially with the one meeting per day rule.I now live in Malaysia where they only race Sat/Sun + I used to live in L.A. when Santa Anita reduced it fixtures from six days to three/four. A lot of trainers had to quit.Maybe one apprentice would get enough rides to make it worthwhile but all the big races where won by the same 3 jockeys. A lot of racehorses had to retire. My personal view is it doesn't make you enjoy the racing more.I find it easy to ignore a Chelmsford,Wolverhampton + even a Monday night Windsor but they help people make a living in the industry.
I used to work in national hunt racing and starting every day at 06.00 finishing at 18.00 with a few hours siesta was sustainable, but not getting your horse ready at 05.00 trvaellling, getting horse to the start, back in stable, washed and checked over ready for the three hour drive back to the stables, getting home about 8.00pm or even 10.00pm, then up again at 06.00 x six days a week.
@@jamiehernandez8169 ah right I see what you mean can I ask how did you become a runner for him I've met Patrick a couple of times seems ok but doesn't give anything away as to be expected really
@@owenjohnson8336 I was a member of a tipping line. Got to talking alot with the man behind the tipping line. Sometime later was asked if I wanted to be a runner for PV. My bets were between £500 and £2000. It was around 2009 Owen.
I work in a bookies, and everyday I come into work - there are hundreds of new horses I haven't heard of before. Where are they getting them all? How anyone can study the form is beyond me.
Patrick Veitch is absolutely right.. And i had to turn off, the guy who is interviewing is so full of buts, and trying to make Patrick wrong is just crazy....
People will get fed up with useless horses day after day. In Australia we have 7 days of 160 races on each day re horses, dogs and harness. The betting shops are empty and on line bookies have skeleton staff managing a trifle turn over. As for too many horses and low prize money will see folk not bother. It is better to have fewer races of quality and the breeding industry will need to adjust. Better to close half the tracks and have racing 3 days a week. Sold tracks can be converted into training centres servicing say 8 trainers as lease holders much cheaper than setting up at private property. Time for quality over quantity. Do you read 16 bibles and 12 Shakespear plays each and every day? In the end we get bored with low class racing and pathetic odds. Another aspect is that top horses don't run in handicaps and 3 times a year a couple of lead up races to a carnival is the only time class horses of interest run. Rest of the time donkies donkies donkies. Gamblers who need guidance shoudl eliminate low grade races where volatile result occur as it doesn't take much for a moderate horse to improve 6 lengths. So refine and focus on top handicaps with 9 to 12 runners, no odds on favs and look on it as if you are buying some shirts... skirts.... be selective and determine your own criteria to use IF and WHEN to bet on WHAT races that are consistent in form results.
The problem isn’t too much racing, it’s too much poor racing. If we had cheltenham quality races everyday day of the week I’d be as happy as Larry but there ain’t enough good horses on the flat or jumps to merit top racing everyday. For me, everything below class 3 on the flat is poor fare. Certainly class 5 and 6 which makes up the majority of midweek racing is dog shit and the reason horses are down in that grade are because they are inconsistent and unreliable, ergo who wants to bet on that tripe. Bookmakers want it as they coin from mug punters who get sucked into having a bet on those races. Anyone who knows the time of day would wait for the better cards or festival meets. Then we have the huge issue of bookies limiting or severely restricting successful accounts. All adds to a loss of customer base and interest in the sport.
Nick seems all in for the bookies, keeping there coffers shored up, there betting on every sport plus having machines & open till 10 every night, fkn greed paying there staff peanuts, never seen such a one sided interview
Nick Luck is is indeed, "all in for the bookies "...they pay him, handsomely. He is just another feeding on the underbelly. Bookies gross take 2018, in UK, was £14,800M.
Anecdotally on the front line there are circa no counter staff in high st bookies who know about or are fans of horse racing. Quite a few know about football because their peer group do. Snooker is a bad comparison - it's dull now as the players are dull. Would tune in to watch when Ronnie is playing. Have a Group race every week midweek?
And who has made it dull? The do-gooders! Remember the snooker days when they would sit in their chair have a smoke and a pint? There was an energy/atmosphere there that you just dont get nowadays because of the health mongers, the whiners, the complainers. Instead of the higher-ups not taking any notice they all bow down to them.
@@frizzyred1292 Having witnessed alcoholism and family deaths due to smoking we approach this from different perspectives. The person I saw in alcohol rehab was just as funny after it and I didn't see any upside to cigarettes and either did the person I saw die of lung cancer. Pub banter and professional sports are not the same thing.
fixed bent racing and races full of non triers its a disgrace horses run one week tailed off and then suddenly get gambled on and win by ten lengths racing is just bent
I understand your frustration mate. Been there many times. The truth is that horses are not run for the punter's benefit, but for the owner's benefit. That is part of the race analysis, trying to determine if the horse is targeted today. Good luck if you are still betting.
Totally agree with Patrick. In the 90s I knew all of the big race winners and could spend 15-20 minutes studying form. These days it's non stop, which has resulted in me being far more selective in my bets. Only the punters who can't read form etc enjoy this overload.
I couldn't agree more. I've been basically obsessed with racing since I was young and often enough, there would be a horse I want to watch and there'd be another on a different channel. I'd have to record and go back. You'd be flicking channels so often that you eventually end up missing out on a race that you wanted to watch
Fewer races, bigger prize money, more legends!
Legends? Do you mean these artificial 'faux races'?
Madness.
I'm a small player with a fading interest in racing due to the very facts that Patrick highlights. There is simply too much racing to keep up with or analyse even at the lowest levels. Races packed together from midday to late evening are bound to lead to the average punter losing enthusiasm. I agree that the answer is to be more discriminatory in choice of race if there is an answer tot the present situation.
I believe we should listen to Patrick, Someone who's judgement as been proven to be correct Consistently year after year after year
Anyone from yesteryear knows how popular horse racing was at one stage. And yes Lucky, it was more popular than rugby and certainly cricket.
Back in the day average joe knew the derby main contenders and who they fancy. Ask a bloke in the street who he fancies for the derby and most won't have a clue. But they know who is in strictly come dancing, big brother or some other reality crap.
He’s spot on.. virtually impossible to keep up with the volume of racing.. it’s near on a full time job.. the relentless nature of the fixture list will ultimately be detrimental to the sport.. new fans of the sport will be put off straight away as they simply won’t be able to keep up or pick up / retain enough knowledge to manifest a long term interest.. the rolling fat cats & decision makers in the industry driven by bookmakers will no doubt do nothing to rectify things..
I totally agree...Well said Patrick.
he has a good point.flat racing has become a farce .. i stopped betting on flat racing a few year back because of the bookie friendly low grade tight handicaps that flood the cards... jump racing only nd take more of an interest mid october when the cheltenham horses re appear. this way you get the anticipation of a season starting in oct nd ending after the punchestown festival some time in may. many punters i know follow jumps racing only with cheltenham in mind nd have dropped flat racing alltogether.. top interview.. talks sense..
Sounds like me.l do like Royal Ascot though.Jump racing for me.
I cannot bet on most handicaps because the handicapper has adjusted the weights to have a blanket finish, so one needs to find the 'group horse in a handicap', or one which is due to go up in weight in the future.
More guests like Patrick Veitch, please
I don't even look at the racing, during the week. It's all garbage and every race looks the same
I worked in a chocolate factory, and we were allowed to eat as much as we wanted.
Brilliant for a few days and I stuffed my face and tried every variety - and then never touched any after that.
If we'd have had a rule where I could only have one per day. I'd have lasted much longer
Good thing then that you didn't work in a brothel!!!
What you should have done was take home as much as was allowed and sell it cheaply.
@@1414yorks LOL - that was classed as theft
😂😂😂😂😂
@@1414yorks A brothel LOL, Why would you be working in that haha, I'd rather have the choco bars
@@1414yorks What a mind you have.
I do think there is to much racing don't think it should drop as much as he suggests. I was a casual for a while and following pretty much religiously for 2 years still don't have a great grasp of average racing. I know 2 years shouldn't make u an expert but if you are a new fan who has a slight intrest after cheltenham or aintree and u know nothing looking at 3 to 5 meeting everyday is a barrier to entry
Too much limited handicap s, bet for enjoyment,and just enjoy racing
There´s been far too much racing for decades but I cannot remember it ever being worse, in my 45 years following the sport. Quantity over quality. Redcar, Newcastle, Leicester, Catterick, Newmarket... cavalry charge handicaps, ultra competitive handicaps, handicaps...or sellers, or claimers, where anything can win and old moderate horses take it in turns to win. Great for bookies but terrible for punters.For me, and many, the likelihood of potential reward just does´t justify putting in the time necessary to study these races. Daily betting has become grinding, the intensity relentless. No fun really. I like to take a few days off from punting now and then, just to recharge. Just look back to how interesting the racing schedule was after the lockdown, with top quality racing every week and compare it what we´re looking at now.
Oh, and while on the subject of quantity over quality, Racing TV...you should never have tried to incorporate Irish racing into your already comfortably filled schedules. Do the Irish racing authorities deliberately schedule three mile chases five minutes before the UK´s best races???
It's also gone down and down with the decline of Channel 4 Racing, and the terrible racing presenters on ITV
Bryony frost has ruined itv
Not sure what that has to do with anything like fixtures
@@jacob4690 We have the wrong people promoting and presenting racing, so new people fail to get involved
@@anotherblonde I think that ITV Racing has been immensley popular, but I don't watch it assiduously, because on a Saturday there are a lot of good horses running, and I can't waste 'study time' watching light entertainment.
Come to think of it, I remember watching sprinter sacre winning last race and I was buzzing before the race and even more buzzing watching the win, that was the last time I felt like that now days its just another horse in the market.
I think his point about people need to go outside + get some exercise + sunlight is correct. The way his idea fails is lack of concern for the horses + the racecourses.Horses with limited ability have far more opportunities now than ever.Jockeys have far more opportunities than ever especially with the one meeting per day rule.I now live in Malaysia where they only race Sat/Sun + I used to live in L.A. when Santa Anita reduced it fixtures from six days to three/four. A lot of trainers had to quit.Maybe one apprentice would get enough rides to make it worthwhile but all the big races where won by the same 3 jockeys. A lot of racehorses had to retire. My personal view is it doesn't make you enjoy the racing more.I find it easy to ignore a Chelmsford,Wolverhampton + even a Monday night Windsor but they help people make a living in the industry.
I used to work in national hunt racing and starting every day at 06.00 finishing at 18.00 with a few hours siesta was sustainable, but not getting your horse ready at 05.00 trvaellling, getting horse to the start, back in stable, washed and checked over ready for the three hour drive back to the stables, getting home about 8.00pm or even 10.00pm, then up again at 06.00 x six days a week.
@@ladygardener100 Very hard work.Thank you.
Was a runner for Veitch quite afew years ago. Never backed anything under 4/1, bet 3 or 4 horses everyday !!
In his book.he said he backed a 1/4 shot? Btw that is a good thing if he thinks it's value at that price.
@@owenjohnson8336 Hi Owen, all the 30 odd bets I did as a runner, none of them were under 4/1. His biggest winner, during my time, was 25s
@@jamiehernandez8169 ah right I see what you mean can I ask how did you become a runner for him I've met Patrick a couple of times seems ok but doesn't give anything away as to be expected really
@@owenjohnson8336 I was a member of a tipping line. Got to talking alot with the man behind the tipping line. Sometime later was asked if I wanted to be a runner for PV. My bets were between £500 and £2000. It was around 2009 Owen.
@@jamiehernandez8169 Ah right was he ok to deal with then because you hear different things. Can you remember the horses he backed?
If the punting goes pear shaped for Patrick, I think he could make a good living as a Brian Tilsley lookalike.
Is thatsomeone on Coronation Street?
I think he has Peter Noone of Hermans Hermits look.
Guy is a genius and Nick was being combative for the sake of it
One of the main reasons I now only play Hong Kong, 2 days a week and full fields.
this is the way he treats the girlfriend as well, don't give them too much, keep them keen...
I work in a bookies, and everyday I come into work - there are hundreds of new horses I haven't heard of before. Where are they getting them all? How anyone can study the form is beyond me.
I would point out that bookies only care about FOBTs. 😠
majority of midweek racing/vast majority of AW racing is bullshit class 6 donkey lottery, just stop betting on that and voila.
people that follow hoses enjoy lots of meeting ...less meetings more twisting from the bookmakers
Patrick Veitch is absolutely right.. And i had to turn off, the guy who is interviewing is so full of buts, and trying to make Patrick wrong is just crazy....
He works for RacingTV, the bookies pay most of his wages.
People will get fed up with useless horses day after day. In Australia we have 7 days of 160 races on each day re horses, dogs and harness. The betting shops are empty and on line bookies have skeleton staff managing a trifle turn over. As for too many horses and low prize money will see folk not bother. It is better to have fewer races of quality and the breeding industry will need to adjust. Better to close half the tracks and have racing 3 days a week. Sold tracks can be converted into training centres servicing say 8 trainers as lease holders much cheaper than setting up at private property. Time for quality over quantity. Do you read 16 bibles and 12 Shakespear plays each and every day? In the end we get bored with low class racing and pathetic odds. Another aspect is that top horses don't run in handicaps and 3 times a year a couple of lead up races to a carnival is the only time class horses of interest run. Rest of the time donkies donkies donkies. Gamblers who need guidance shoudl eliminate low grade races where volatile result occur as it doesn't take much for a moderate horse to improve 6 lengths. So refine and focus on top handicaps with 9 to 12 runners, no odds on favs and look on it as if you are buying some shirts... skirts.... be selective and determine your own criteria to use IF and WHEN to bet on WHAT races that are consistent in form results.
will the real "professional punter" please stand up ;)
The problem isn’t too much racing, it’s too much poor racing. If we had cheltenham quality races everyday day of the week I’d be as happy as Larry but there ain’t enough good horses on the flat or jumps to merit top racing everyday. For me, everything below class 3 on the flat is poor fare. Certainly class 5 and 6 which makes up the majority of midweek racing is dog shit and the reason horses are down in that grade are because they are inconsistent and unreliable, ergo who wants to bet on that tripe. Bookmakers want it as they coin from mug punters who get sucked into having a bet on those races. Anyone who knows the time of day would wait for the better cards or festival meets. Then we have the huge issue of bookies limiting or severely restricting successful accounts. All adds to a loss of customer base and interest in the sport.
Nick seems all in for the bookies, keeping there coffers shored up, there betting on every sport plus having machines & open till 10 every night, fkn greed paying there staff peanuts, never seen such a one sided interview
Nick Luck is is indeed, "all in for the bookies "...they pay him, handsomely. He is just another feeding on the underbelly. Bookies gross take 2018, in UK, was £14,800M.
* their
Computers killed betting you cant spend a few hundred now without it being money laundering its a joke😂
You don’t have to bet in every race
Totally right two much just for mugs
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Nick has a better suit on him than Veitch :PP
I noticed he had made an extra effort today!
Anecdotally on the front line there are circa no counter staff in high st bookies who know about or are fans of horse racing.
Quite a few know about football because their peer group do.
Snooker is a bad comparison - it's dull now as the players are dull. Would tune in to watch when Ronnie is playing.
Have a Group race every week midweek?
And who has made it dull? The do-gooders! Remember the snooker days when they would sit in their chair have a smoke and a pint? There was an energy/atmosphere there that you just dont get nowadays because of the health mongers, the whiners, the complainers. Instead of the higher-ups not taking any notice they all bow down to them.
@@frizzyred1292 I'd watch Ronnie O Sullivan without the beer and the ciggies. But each to their own
@@frizzyred1292 Having witnessed alcoholism and family deaths due to smoking we approach this from different perspectives. The person I saw in alcohol rehab was just as funny after it and I didn't see any upside to cigarettes and either did the person I saw die of lung cancer. Pub banter and professional sports are not the same thing.
@@frizzyred1292 send suggestions via WPBSA. But no I don't agree with your time warped views.
Bookies do their best to get punters off 'gambling on horses' to certainties like fobt , virtual racing and 'jewel box slot machine games'
fixed bent racing and races full of non triers its a disgrace horses run one week tailed off and then suddenly get gambled on and win by ten lengths racing is just bent
I understand your frustration mate. Been there many times. The truth is that horses are not run for the punter's benefit, but for the owner's benefit. That is part of the race analysis, trying to determine if the horse is targeted today. Good luck if you are still betting.