NEW LOGIC SAMPLER - Will This Change EVERYTHING???
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- Last week I looked at the demise of the #exs24 • WTF Happened To EXS24!... this week I look at the new features of the new (nameless) Logic Sampler including a lot of its auto splitting and mapping functions, is it going to put me out of a job?
To download the palm muted piano instrument I made in this ep go here: we.tl/t-dotcxU...
What have I failed to notice, what have I missed and got wrong this week and what would you like to see in my final deep dive about "Dave"? Answers in the comments below!
I wholeheartedly approve of calling the sampler, "Dave."
Heheheh. I get it. ...are you familiar with Mighty Jingles per chance? Best Regards!
Dave it is :D
@@Geert.Van.Boxelaer I'm in.
“Open the pod bay doors Hal” “I can’t do that Dave..”
me too...
I’m totally blind, and have an old Roland Fantom-XR that I love, but find difficult to use because it doesn’t talk and has odd menus etc, etc. I was this close to selling it, but thanks to auto sampler, I’ve been reviving old sounds that I used to love using. It’s definitely, definitely making me appreciate both it as a module, and Logic 10.5 in-general.
It’s incredible, and the novelty of being able to save and use sounds I loved years ago, in a modern DAW is just... Crazy-good!
I know this sounds like Apple paid me to say it but nope, I’m just like a kid in a sweet shop, able to save sounds I once loved and in some cases, nearly forgot about entirely.
No old working synth should go to the graveyard unsampled.
That explanation of of X/Y/Z was lovely.
‘A few years ago’ it’s been a snickers all my 22 years...
Daniel Boulton and here’s me (60 years old) still in mourning for Opal Fruits (“Starburst”).
@@redlester Long live Opal Fruits (here at 34)
@@redlester But all may not be lost... www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/money/opal-fruits-back-22-years-21615840
Same lol, I'm 26 and I had no idea about this until he said it.
I'm 37, and I've never heard about this.
The sampler reminds me a lot of the sampler in Ableton. I’m glad logic finally caught up on this particular feature
Ello Dave
Your my sampler now
One huge advantage of this sampler is, you can share projects with sample embedded and somebody on the other side of the world can instantly work with it.
Add to it the new AUplugin Autosampler that creates EXS libraries from external or third party engines.
5:04 if you use the undo button on the GUI for the plugin it will undo your change on the plugin :)
Logic acquired the Italian company Redmatica... The Autosampler is a game changer Christian. Check that out. Fair enough it won't help out with acoustic instruments as much, but with MIDI/CV instruments it's amazing
Me: "Accidentally deleting a region"
Christian: "Absolute carnage"
(I love you, man. So much good "learnage" in your videos!)
Thanks for the amazing videos, Christian! This is the best channel on TH-cam. I watch in high res with 4kWatts of sound and your AV quality is always impressive to say the least. Respect.
That 3 axis imagery to describe the sampling process was so beautifully put!
15:50 Christian you absolute genius, you just reinvented the prepared piano for the 21st Century. Bravo!
I didn't really understand what he did there. Did he add effects and "bounce in place"? How is that done? I'm confused but very intrigued.
@@antoniog2854 The sampler stores the sample and mapping separately. Christian was working from one long sample with different locations assigned to keys on the keyboard. If you manipulate that long sample in an audio editor (without changing where the notes are) you end up with the same notes but a different texture for each one. I hope you understand what I mean, once you do the creative possibilities are amazing.
@@JonnyMonday thanks for the reply! I guess where i am confused is what CH did to the file (the file processing with the plug-ins within Logic) . Does he apply an effect to one section of the long file, then another effect to another section, etc? Yeah, its pretty inspiring to think you could make endless versions of a file and just throw it in the sampler while the old mapping stays the same.
@@antoniog2854 You're right about it being inspiring, I think that's partly why he didn't show what he was doing. Everyone has to come up with their own ideas and experiments, if we all just did what someone else did it would stifle creativity. I've got a few plans myself but until I update OSX I can't really try it out. Maybe this weekend....
Wow!!! A sampler virtuoso (dare I say genius?) to teach a sampling newbie (but human oldie) both how to sample, and how to use Logic Sampler - what a treat. Plus a few Logic tricks to boot.
Thanks so much for sharing your immense skill and knowledge so readily.
It is still saving things in the EXS format, so as far as I am concerned it is still an EXS Sampler!!
The Auto Sampling plugin is worth a look - though it doesn't help with sampling piano's or real-world items, as it can trigger by MIDI, I am finding it very useful to "save" patches made on synths that don't have patch save functionality - and because the triggering is automated by MIDI you can make a really "deep" sample instrument (by sampling lot's of notes and velocities) so the flexibility of a sampler is not lost. I finally have total recall and can use modular/semi-modular synths in projects I jump in and out of.
I'm already using the muted piano in a piece to double my piano part. Thanks so much! Adds a nice little punch.
This stuff is way above my head, but you present it in such a clear manner and with such humor it becomes very informative and entertaining ! :D Long Live Dave ! :D
Thank you for always inspiring
Nice one Christian! That really made it much easier to see what's happening with the new sampler Dave. Salutations from partly cloudy and ghostly quiet Ireland! ☘️☮️🤘🏽🤠👍🏽☮️☘️
wow dude i was hoping for the whole video that you share that sound and you did! thanks I really love it for some reason it really vibes with me
yo christian Im not sure if you know but you can add plug-ins to the project undo history, click EDIT then UNDO HISTORY and in the top right of that window there is a 'plug-in' button for including plug in undos. Restart Logic and undo/ cmd Z will now work for plug ins too, no need for the extra hot key.
This was more thorough than most. Very well done, also great job with the editing. Big up 🙏
YOU CAN USE YOUR MIDI-CONTROLLED PIANO-PLAYER!!! One of the things I noted in the third of the three samplers... the hidden one ...is the ability to sample using MIDI. Tell it the displacement range... semitones, fifths, thirteenth... the sustain length ... and the amount of round robins and it will play the instrument for you... So hook it up to your German gizmo... and all you have to do is dampen the strings with your palm!!! It will play, sample, chop, map, assign and layer ...and pour you a beer!!! The number of beers dependent on how hard it reckoned you worked for it...
This is how I did the Poly Sirin which is on Pianobook. It was only a part of MainStage though, until last week.
i'm an ableton user, but i've really enjoyed watching the logic folks rejoice over these updates. can't believe what you all were going through before 10.5.
yes Christian one very good video...bravo
You can use regular cmd-z to undo plugin changes. To do this, go to Edit > Undo History... then click the button at the top of the window with the "Plug-In" label.
Yes but a 'violation' of their own HI guidelines; frontmost window is *always* the target. The Finder is dead.
Great Vid, Thanks ;) - Very 'Top Gear' name!! n.b: >Sampler save / load window >' include plugin-undo steps in project undo history.'
You would expect a high end DAW like this to have a way easier way of going about this. In FL Studio you rightclick on your synth insert and it automatically makes a sampler out of it with velocity nuanciations and all... A lot of people shit on FL but it's really powerful tbh
I used to use “auto sampler” when it was only on live stage. It came good for me getting my Korg 01/w under my fingers easier. (It samples the notes laters and biz automatically using midi)
Great video💛You showed off lots of versatility and potential.
Christian, there's an option in the menu where it says “User Default” that'll include the changes in the plug in parameter in the regular cmd-z history.
To clarify this. Go to Undo History in Logic (Option+Command+Z) and in the Input Parameter Changes From section you can turn on Mixer and Plugin.
Still called the ES1.. and not "synthesizer", that particularly cracked me up :D
I have no idea what you did but it looks and sounds awesome!
I dunno. Maybe Christian is Dave, and Sampler is Hal. "Dave, you know I can't do that"
my vids 🤣
I'm new to sampling, and and this update feels less intimidating than EXS24 and Kontakt. Definitely an inspiring tool for composers.
You can split interactively by using quicksampler+slice mode, then replacing QuickSampler with Sampler in the channel strip.
Was just looking for the 'Export from Quick Sampler to Sampler' (Dave) option... for several better manual edit / prep options - unsuccessfully - You just answered my question! - The magic of ACTUALLY reading the comments!! Thanks Jack ;)
If you drop the wav (from logic or finder) straight onto the plugin, it will do some of these processes automatically. Saves you some more time!
Marvellous analysis! Got me inspired to give Dave a twist, I mean Snicker.
made me laugh - yeah - DAVE sounds about right LOL
It blows my mind what this guy can do but doesn’t know the exs mod matrix! Makes sense for developing. I haven’t tried the mod in “smapler” yet. Great vid mate!
That note on the invisible undo carnage was great :)
1:24 - 1:50 ~ That analogy was as absurd as it was accurate.
The editing at 2:55 is very clever. If I'm understanding correctly, you recorded it and spoke occasionally while going through your process. Then in post you edited the audio to the most relevant vocal snippets, then time-stretched the corresponding intervals of footage to line up with the audio clips. Am I close?
beautiful
Great Video Christian. I like the way you can re-save the audio file with different Fx and it changes the sound of the sampler. It would be great if you could setup unlimited Fx chains and then have the Sampler instrument sound randomly different every time you played it or hit a note. You could sit there for 12 hours hitting middle c and it create 1,000 of different sound based on the original. Basically unlimited sound choices. I don't know if you could use logic scripting to achieve this.
God . I’d love a marathon bar. I’m so old.
Big Hunk.
Oh my! What i found was interesting on this new sampler was that now i can control the auto-loop's loop start and loop end with my midi controller by using smart controls. Never before found this possible with exs24, since to me it has always been really confusing sampler. This has been possible to do in Ableton for long time and i think in Cubase as well, but i like so much to use Logic that i haven't dare to change my trustable DAW to anything else....
Either way if you want to try this, i try to explain as simple and good as i can to not confuse!!! After uploading the sample you want to control, for example vocals, spoken words etc. You need to go to Mod Matrix in the sampler, choose source as, Env 1 (Amp) and target as Loop Start and for the second row you use same source and target will be of course Loop End. Then you open Smart control, clicking the little i (info icon) on the left upper corner in the smart control window and under parameter mapping you can look for the loop start and loop end after clicking those separated knobs on the smart control window (it's active when it is blinking blue). While the knob is active you can map your controller knobs by clicking learn next to the external assignment. Then you should be able to control the loop start and end with your controller... This needs to be done in this order since otherwise smart controls will not recognize the target you want to control (of course).
Sorry in advance if this was confusing to understand, but i'm just so excited about this update!!! And i was just wishing this kind of sample control to be in Logic this winter and i didn't know this new update was about to come and lucky us, this update was kick-ass update.
I actually learned a lot about sampling today 😀
Will you do a slower, more deliberate tutorial of the how to use the sampler to make your own libraries when you get a better handle of it?
Could do with a snickers but much prefer a picnic :)
BTW... Try dragging a couple of regions or region folders onto your desktop or into an email!
That's so cool!!
Harry Binns It’s pretty awesome. I haven’t really dived into it too much, checking whether fx are printed as well, track stacks, etc.
Marathon to Snickers in 1990. I was 3. I remember still seeing them in the cash and carry so that's definitely a marathon! Maybe Dave will be able to auto detect better if the file was normalised? I've been working on KSP and granular so haven't had time yet to properly play around with it. The workflow seems to bit a touch easier but then again I never had a deep understanding of EXS. Urs mentioned a really cool new feature, drag and drop to desktop or email. I'm wondering if this is building up to Logic on iPads?
If there's anyone whos opinion regarding anything that has to do with sampling I value, this is you, Christian. This video felt negatively predisposed against Dave though, and Dave doesn't deserve this.
Thank you
Try dragging the audio track region down to where a new track would be made (the left) and it gives you options and it does stuff automatically 👌
Also as a power user you should feed back to apple
Same with us with the Moro bar becoming ‘Boost’. Ridonkulous.
Logic Pro -> Preferences -> Plu-in Manager -> *search for: Sampler* -> custom name -> …DAVE!!
you're welcome
big up the palm mute
I'll call it the LPXS - as in the Logic Pro X Sampler. one could add 24 to the end to soften the transition.
Damn. I watch a lot of TH-cam channels on Logic. You are apparently a Logic Wizard!
about 8 years ago apple bought an Italian company called redmatica.
they're best software was called autosample. i used it then to sample my hardware synths.
autosample is now in logic 10.5 in the utility section. you can create "dave" instruments from hardware
or from software instruments include 3th party plugins. downside u need midi. d
Great video Christian. I’ve not sampled real world instruments that much and only for specific music I’m working on. But I sample synths for various reasons. Are you using ‘Autosampler’ under the utilities Menu, which actually fires the notes and arms the sampling ? It names files and creates the entire EXS file. It’s been in Mainstage for years and helps me avoid using cpu hungry AUs live... but it’s only just been included in Logic 10.5. Never understood why it wasn’t there before.
you better commit to that dave thing
This guy is good
Maybe you could have a look at Auto Sampler? (It's different to the normal Sampler I think)
Dave seems capable!
There used to be a Marathon bar in the States too but I don't remember it being anything like a Snickers. And Dave handles all the stuff about sampling that just ****ing bogs the whole process down for me. I may finally go and get Logic.
Would normalising the audio file before importing help? It would however raise the noise floor, but could help with more accurate detection of transients within the sampler.
Hi Christian, there were new key commands that I was asked to import when upgrading to 10.5, so I wonder if your Streamdeck might be useful in creating the PLUG-IN UNDO and more. I'm sure you've probably got that covered, but just a thought. Great video as always. Thanks :-) Oh...and I think Marathon was the name of the Horse owned by one of the company CEOs.
Hey Christian... what about using the new Logic auto sampler along with your piano player, and sample a whole piano automatically?
I think there is some signal to route but those two tools along could be really powerful.
Christian, it’s obvious that you’re slightly disappointed that “Dave” might not be able to make your work easier in creating sample libraries?
I hope when you dig deeper that you find that it does and you share it with us. Great video, thanks.
Now I’m craving a Snikers....
Is there a way to map a sustain pedal sample?
Hey Christian! I downloaded the instrument because I was curious about doing the "lets alter the original wav file and see what happens" scenario. I put a bunch of sound toys on the original wav file, and then replaced it in the folder where it came and it worked! So far so good... now, I saved the instrument with a "Distorted" at the end, and tried to re import your instrument, but the problem then was, that since the wav file never changed both instruments have the same "origin" now....
I wonder if you have found a way to address this??? I will do more R&D on it, and come back with new info :)
This whole thing is particularly exciting... because it allows us to almost have like a template sound file, and a template "Sampler" instrument and use those combinations to create several new ones... now we just need to find a way to change the damn filename xD
I’d be interested to see how it goes about chopping up reversed notes and how well it determines the start of the note without a big transient to detect
there’s an option to have the undo key combo also undo plugin edits. i know i have it enabled but i don’t remember where the checkbox is
Marathon Bar, RIP, oh and sampler info
and that soaking, as well as soaking, removes PAsta sauce
Gborimapa!
really good thankyou
Hmm is EXS's AAC playback better then kontak's lossless compression export? maybe, the ability to chop samples and have the first transient .wav, and the sustain sections lossless AAC with the help of some redmatica tools to speed things up (if they can still run...) would annihilate any sample quality and storage comparisons with Kontakt. multiple mics - well that already runs thru the groups and all ready implemented in logics drum patches utilizing the plus button to introduce a separate channel strip and fader for each channel. Far better then trying to deal with kontak multiple mics, but still one little button away from being accessible to everyone. Custom GUI's tho? Kontak's major staple. The smart controls do allow you to create your own .layout files and background images, however by only replacing one of the stock logic ones. his function is close, and very rewarding once working, but not quite there yet..... Only a few more updates - and Logic's own App Store and sample libraries will finally be showcased and sold the way they should be. Kontakt's scripters, well they can script important things in Java now, or go back to plug in scripting in actual plug ins where they never should have left.... Just my opinions tho.
Hi Christian, Can you use old logic 9 patches with the new exs? Iv looked at how but cant seem to make it work. any Clues mate. All the best Nige
Why don't you try Reaper? Its a lot more accessible to the masses (Im guessing who mostly work on PC's these days). The orchestral templates will blow your mind and leave Logic for dead.
@Fifty Cycle Reaper cost me $60. Thats something Logic can't do.
Fifty Cycle Logic has a few features on Reaper, but Reaper has a level of fine tuning and customization which is not possible in Logic. I don’t think RS5K will see an update like EXS24 did anytime soon. Anyway, They’re both great software in their own right.
@@CybreSmee you're missing the entire point of this video...
@@LogicKidroy Not really, I get what he's talking about, its just only relevant to Logic. The DAW is an island, unless you have specific hardware you can't use it. So why bother getting involved in any discussion on it.
Hi, you mention "split silence is not a great way to create samples" in not quite those words. Could you elaborate or could anyone else shed some light on why this is?
Had a quick question for the community! I'm about to sample my first piano, and want to do a pretty good job. Probably going to sample every 2 semi tones at 3 velocity levels and release triggers. Also planning on doing three takes through everything besides the triggers I'll probably just do 2 passes. To get more "accurate" of an instrument, should I also be sampling different note lengths? staccato, short, and long? Or is software well enough off handling the length?
No expert but I would say the sound will be very much more authentic if you sample both short and long notes. The software "fading" of a short note will sound different to the mechanical dampening, I would have thought. Unless you don't want authenticity of course!
I found this helpful about sampling in general: th-cam.com/video/Yvco_DWMV_g/w-d-xo.html
It is not a negligible task! With a piano too I wonder how you intend to mic it. Include room sound ? What sort of room etc.?
There’s a quick sampler as well isn’t there? Actually the sequencer is really good - proper equipped.
Great haircut! 😉
I'd like to know what you feel about how Dave wants to do things. The new Quick sampler (Optimised) is quite a fun game and creates some lovely things if you surrender to the randomness. He/She/They/Ze is quite a fun playmate, considerably more spontaneous and immediate than Eric Xavier 2 the Fourth ever was.
As far as I can see, they'll analyse the pitch, then items of a similar pitch are stacked together. Not precise but perfect for pleasurable piano play.
I presume all the automatic features are from Redmatica Keymap; Autosampler appeared in Mainstage a few years back as a sadly very feature reduced Redmatica Autosampler.
Also, does it still use EXS24 format or do we now need to start from scratch if we want to develop things further in Kontakt?
Does import of exs instruments work again in Kontakt 6? (haven't upgraded yet and had to futz around with the component library for K5 to get it to work...) - Though, if 'Sampler' files are no longer compatible ...
Christian, loved the video, loved the sampler! Why is there an out of tune octave, thou?
I have a question about the logic sampler and hope you can help me:
I noticed that in sampler there can be several groups on ONE note!
for example: if you drag the live loop „Isabela - Pop Tumbao“ on a track, Logic creates a sampler-track with a drummer region. if you convert this region to a midi region, you see that it contains only 2 notes (Conga Bright High on D3 and Conga Bright Low on D#3).
but if you open the Sampler plugin, you can see that there are actually several groups on the same note: for example on D3 there are several „articulation“-groups (like opentone, closeslap or fingertip) beeing trigered by only one midi note D3 (if you click on different notes in piano-roll editor, you can see the groups change in Samplers mapping view).
my question is: how do you control which group is triggered? if I want to program my on pattern in the piano-roll, or any other way, how I can control which group is beeing triggered, like opentone, closeslap, fingertip or so… it´s not via velosity, nor could I find something in the event editor.
maybe you can help me - would be great!
Opal Fruits. Made to make your mouth water. Enough said
Isn't this just the functionality of the old Redmatica stuff? Seems a missed opportunity that they've not expanded on that then but also understandable.
Try use the auto sampler on some of your synths
1:40 beltsander and/or a Multitool is your friend.
I wish apple would have taken the opportunity to also give Sampler a proper and decent file structure system where you save your instrument where you want yourself into one folder containing instrument and all files-instead of being addressed to the given folders. Would be so much easier to just choose my folder on my SSD where I like to have my samples and instruments.
Still hoping for someone to make the Kontakt killer sample player/creation plugin that meet and take advantage of todays standards and technology.
I thought you referred to the new Autosampler AU plugin, not the EXS auto function... btw. The file ending of lib files is still EXS.
I thought the same thing. The fact that the file "ending" (aka extension) is still exs is to keep the continuity with the old esx24 and allows you to work with your old libraries (created in esx) have a great day and stay safe
All the old EXS instruments load without conversion, new one are stored in a seemingly same format. I think it just got a facelift and some Botox injections 🎃
@@SarahKchannel I haven't tried it yet (one of Christian's rules that I respect is "don't upgrade your system in the middle of a project") but it seems that it's not only a (welcomed) facelift but also has some more functions (like the automap that Christian is showing in this video). Like it or not, ESX had a characteristic sound and what I will look for is to understand if they've changed it. I'm curious because through the years Logic developers have rarely made only a cosmetic change. As shown in this video ES1 is still in "Gremlin's green" LOL 😂
It will always be a Marathon Bar to me
You can drag any audio file into the top of the Sampler window and it will give you several options to do this stuff automatically. Did you miss that very powerful feature?
Just use FL studio. It has best workflow with sampling. And renoise is the best sampler. It's not a DAW. It's one big sampler
Thumbs up for bringing up Renoise. I also love its breakout version called Redux, which is like the sampler portion of Renoise broken out as a VSTi on its own. It has some musical properties that no other sampler has, namely its way of making phrases and arpeggios, within the sampler, a la tracker-style! And then you can split your keyboard to play different phrase patterns, or you can have them transposed chromatically. Essentially a very nifty sequencer within the sampler. Love it. Redux is the most underrated sampler (and possibly the greatest in many ways) ever made, for sure.
@ChristianHensonMusic Finally they've added this! I did an experiment deep sampling a celesta, approx 10 vel/key and just dragged in the unedited files. Result was surprisingly good (but needs work) Check it out if you like:
th-cam.com/video/HhnRljd1PKA/w-d-xo.html
Forget the Marathon - what about the Texan!
That Undo problem needs to be fixed. The Undo function should be smarter than it is now. It should know you are working in the Sampler.