About 9 years ago I accidentally hit the kill switch on my gixxer with my left hand/wrist while reaching for throttle (right side) to maintain highway speed, while i tried to zip up a pocket with my right hand. (make sense?) It was 2am and pitch black. I had no idea what had happened as the bike came to a stop. I tried to start it probably 20 times. I knew i had fuel.... The engine was turning over.... WTF??? Eventually called a friend to pick me up and left my bike hidden in some bushes on the interstate. Went back the next day and tried again to start it about 5 times before i flipped the kill switch just out of desperation. I've never felt so stupid.
RoadRunner I was on the twisty bends in middle of npwhere and my tankbag hit the kill switch I thought throttle cable snapped never have I felt relief after spotting it
RoadRunner I usually hang my helmet from the handle bar when I'm taking a break. I got so far as removing the tank, the spark plugs, the battery, and was about to give up hope and call for a pickup, when I spotted the kill switch, switched to _off_ Thanks, helmet. That was really stupid. Luckily there was nobody around to laugh at me.
I am glad that is over with. A switch is a switch is a switch in a single circuit. Thankyou for making this public statement so I never have to argue this again.
upside downdog see the thing I was told about using it from my instructors was this, wear on the bottom it's self so there is some chance if you came to needing it, it may not work. Personally I use the key but I've used the switch too haha
DDON I would argue with that instructor (respectfully - they do a vital job) that a key and ignition barrel replacement are like 1 billion times the cost of a kill switch replacement, so if you're that worried about things wearing out, use the kill switch and then very daintily turn and remove your key when the bike isn't vibrating lol. Seriously you're not gonna wear it out, unless you have some kind of nervous behaviour that has you flipping it on and off at every light you stop at. In reality avoiding using it at all for fear of preserving it could be far worse. By never moving the switch, you could be allowing crap like corrosion or dirt and greese to build up on the contacts and you won't know it doesn't work reliably anymore until you need it. Not saying use one or the other, just saying it really doesn't matter, OP's right it's just a switch, and you shouldn't avoid using one or the other.
James Oren I get that argument haha and personally I'll use it if I'm not getting off the bike ... I.e. trying to talk to someone. But if I'm getting off it why not just remove the key it's gonna come out anyways.
If I had a dollar for every time one of my friends or family members called because their bike would not start and they hit the kill switch and did not realize it... i would have like 9 dollars.
I've done it to myself a few times. But then I only ever turn my bike off with the kickstand, so it's typically only after somebody else has ridden it. 🤣
I use the kill switch first. Especially at night because I can have my headlights on when I'm parking my bike in the dark. If I use the key, I won't have headlights.
I use the kill switch first, then the key switch. Never thought about the fact you turn off the lighting when you use the key switch. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. You can learn something new everyday.
You’d probably be better just leaving it running while parking so you’re not discharging the battery. Also gives your engine a few more seconds of coolant and oil circulation after a ride.
I use the killswitch 100% of the times. I was taught this is the right way. But I was curious why and here I am learning that, to some people, I've been doing it wrong all along. And finally learning that it's irrelevant if I use it or not, so I guess I will continue to do it as I always did.
The killswitch is in the same position on all bikes so if you come across a downed rider you can always quickly switch off the bike without having to look for the ignition. As a mechanic I'm fully aware that using it will have no negative effects on your engine or computer. Any switch has moving parts so using them wears the switch out. I always use the ignition or the stand switch because I have to use them anyway but if I have to turn off the bike quickly (usually to talk to someone) I use the killswitch because its easier. I try to avoid using it often because the mechanism is usually less robust then the ignition or side stand switches and prone to wearing quickly, although I have only ever seen kill switches worn to the point of failure on 30+ year old bikes.
Mushu Tak i have an almost 40 yro bike the kill switch works great i use it all the time. Although i did leave my key in the ignition and drained my battery once.
I use the killswitch every single time I turn off my bike. I've had this bike for almost two years and the only wear out I've noticed is the painted ignition symbol on the start button. The killswitch looks, feels and works as good as new.
I am also a bike mechanic and always recommend using the key switch unless its an emergency to try and teach people they need to remember to turn the key off. Ive seen hundreds of bikes with the battery drained and no longer able to hold a charge because my service writer took a riding class where they told him that its safe to use the kill not the key.
Yes, too many times I killed my scooter (RF 600 RR later 1st gen R1)... in daytime and walked into the resort/Heath club... worked out for 2 hours and came back to find my key in the ignition & flat battery. I would curse Suzuki and Yamaha for not putting a kick start lever when it was my fault. Then find a hill... push the bike up it the turn around pushing downhill and pop-start it....totally exhausted from my workout. Sometimes had to do in on level ground... not easygoing.
Kill switches are useful for parking on hills. Pull in the clutch with the bike in gear, come to a complete stop, kill the engine, and then let out the clutch to keep you from rolling downhill. Its way easier than thumbing around for the key and you don't have to take either hand off your handlebar.
Using the killswitch often is good practice IMO because you'll be familiar with its location should you actually need to use it in an emergency (throttle stuck, etc.)
I had my brakes fail on track and I left the track at about 100 to 140 kph... luckily that corner had a big run off... I down changed until I was in first which is still a fast gear and the tyre wall was coming. Killswitch and it finally came to a stop.
I use the kill switch all the time on my bike. Love having the lights on in my photos haha! Also if I just want to stop the engine for a sec for a quick convo it's nice to not have to turn the key back and forth.
Since it’s there for emergency use there’s a good argument for using it routinely. When faced with emergency situations we carry out actions that we are very familiar with because we don’t have time to think. If we never use the kill switch (as I don’t) we’ll ‘forget’ it’s there and in a high stress situation we’ll just go for what we know. Good video. Thanks
Actually, most newer Harley’s still have an Ignition Switch that rotates from OFF to IGNITION to ACCY. Can also rotate the Ignition Switch counter clockwise more to FORK LOCK. I personally turn off the engine via the Ignition Switch or the lights remain on. Be well.
@Jef Le Floch Soooo you don't ride a Harley As mentioned Sportster you must have key and Fob......missing either the bike won't start The big bores have a switch that can be locked with the key, however carrying the key is not required if you don't lock the bike, but you must have the switch on ignition before the bike will start, the kill switch must be on run, and the Fob must be present
@@JefLeFloch How right you are, my apologies, I've never been on a big bore with a sportster tank, not that I don't want to, but I've got my Dyna and Ultra.
haha - totally agree with Triumph. I was using my kickstand for the longest time to stop my bike. Worked no problems when going to work, but the first time I did it going to somewhere else I forgot my key in the ignition. For two hours.... battery dead.... Now I ensure the bike is in neutral, kick the stand and turn the bike off at the key like a good boy. 'Cause I am an idiot like Triumph engineers thought.
For me it's the other way around... I used the key for turning my bike off and after getting ready to go (removing luggage, putting my brake lock in place, taking off the helmet) I forgot my key way too often. Now I use my side stand and keep the lights on and hear a bit of coil whine reminding me to take the key with me. Did not forget it a single time since I do this. I also leave the gear in as I usually park on a non-flat spot so the bike can't roll.
I use the killswitch all the time, I can keep my headlights on without having to fumble around with the key, and as someone who's had my bike stolen, I always (ALWAYS) use my steering lock, so it's not like I'm leaving my bike powered!
It's always a good idea to test safety equipment regularly to ensure it operates correctly, kill, neutral safety and stand safety switches are no exception. I often shut down by setting the stand while in gear.
Today’s version of tying the reins with a “get away knot”. Safety devices are best left for safety / emergency response, with occasional, deliberate exercising.
When i was doing my CBT training, the instructor reprimanded me for using the KS. Apparently "it hurts the engine". I knew it was bullshit but why waste breath.
This is not what I was told. The kill switch was not designed for as much use and can wear down faster than the ignition switch. The ignition switch is designed to last longer. And designed for use every time you ride/ start the bike. The side stand should last also. It it was a side stand switch I had fail. Over bumps bike would sometimes sputter and sometimes full stall.
@@recklessrickey9513 in the UK, CBT = compulsory basic training, which allows you to ride up to a 125cc with L plates. everyone has to do it before they can go on and get their full bike licence
It's not bad for the engine but potentially your shift forks. If the throttle is closed completely at the moment of up-shifting, it's as smooth if not smoother than using your clutch. However, when you accelerate hard with wide-open throttle or are already at high speeds, closing the throttle completely when up-shifting takes longer and is harder, so I generally use the clutch at speeds above 40mph. Clutchless down-shifting is even harder since you have to precisely match the engine revs, and it's not saving any time.
SV650NYC I will add that I tend to get stuck in between gears if clutchless shifting 5-6, so I always use the clutch for that. Seems to be a somewhat common thing for all kinds of bikes out there.
zbb2stillalive For the OP, there is a video out there that explains motorcycle transmissions, has one dissected, and goes into why the "dog" tooth gear set up can handle clutchless shifting. Should be an easy search.
I only use the clutch when I'm not accelerating, my bike responds best that way. if im already doing the speed limit I clutch up, when accelerating I drop the throttle as far as feels smooth for the perfect upshift
When you posted comments from people I paused to read them. I want to make it clear that your videos do not address what everyone “already” knows. I am learning quite a bit by watching your videos. I love cars/trucks and I know quite a bit but I’ve never worked on a bike and there is a lot to learn. Please continue your videos on every topic and not just topics an experienced rider will be interested in. Thank you.
I've used kill switch on my 2013 Triumph Bonneville for the past 7 years, each and every ride, over 70k KM's. Never had any issues. Only problems I've seen, on our Triumph forum, we regularly get posts from newer riders in a panic b/c they cannot start their bikes. I've learned one of the first things to ask, "Did you accidentally toggle the kill switch?" . This has earned me many "Likes" on the forums....
I caused myself some trouble and frustration a long time ago when I used the kill switch to shut off the motorcycle. It was a little bit corroded and didn't make a good connection when it was reengaged. I usually use the kick stand since my bikes have a kick stand safety switch.
My carburetted bikes won't even turn over when the killswitch is flipped. Once did it on accident while going down the street at night. Gave it full throttle, more choke and when i realized i flipped it on accident and switched it back on...loudest band i've ever heard. The whole exhaust was full of mixture. Scared myself shitless xD
Quick story: A few years back I showed up to help a buddy load his UHAUL on my Triumph Bonneville. To mix things up I used the kill switch when I parked (I typically turn the key to turn off the bike…per the salesman and owners manual instructions). When I returned to my bike and it wouldn’t start, I began to panic. We ended up attempting to load my bike into my buddy’s half full UHUAL to get myself home. After almost dropping my bike while trying to roll it up the ramp, I finally remembered I’d used the kill switch. Appreciate the video!
I have a 1978 Honda Goldwing GL1000 (carburetor bike) and I made that mistake with the kill switch off and tried to start and start (5 seconds, get over it) and I realized it, then went to start with kill on and the bang was so loud... There were two young women immediately (5 feet) behind me and I saw in their eyes their own lives flash before them. It was the day after the Los Vegas mass shooting...
Garrett Dunlap My Suzuki gs500 2k6 if I let the kill switch on, the starting motor don't move the engine. So it can't let in any gas to the engine as is no vacuum from the motor. Anyway, I tried to let it down in 2nd gear across the street 4 times without luck, the rear tire don't move. Then I realized about the kill switch.
What kolby said. I've seen people drop their bikes by reaching for the key left-handed and forgetting their bike is still in gear. If they'd used the kill switch, they wouldn't have looked like dumbasses.
My MSF course here in Vancouver emphasized the kill switch use for parking: by leaving the lights and blinkers on (but engine off) you're more visible to traffic as you pull in, especially if backing slowly in from a traffic lane.
And if your bike doesn't cut off if you put the kickstand down? I have a 1988 KZ1000-P and the kickstand only kills the engine if you both put it into gear and release the clutch just enough to get it into the friction zone. I previously had a KZ750-LTD and it didn't have any sort of kill switch on its kickstand.
@@BerryTheBnnuy It's probably due to them being older bikes. Both my 2000 GS500 and 2017 z650 instantly get shut off if the bike is in gear and the kick stand gets put down.
Large bore, short stroke. This makes the engine capable of making a lot of power high up in the rev range. Motorcycles like Harley-Davidson are the opposite: smaller bore, longer stroke. The longer stroke creates higher piston speeds, which is good for low-rev torque, but the engine can't rev high, because the pistons would be moving too fast.
The vibration in dirt bikes/dual-sports/motocross bikes isn't necessarily from long-stroke pistons, but from there usually only being a single piston. This keeps this kind of bike simpler and lighter weight, for off-road use. But because there's only one piston, the reciprocating weight isn't balanced by another piston somewhere. Sometimes, the manufacturers add in a balance shaft or something to help smooth it out, but it's not as smooth as when there are more pistons balancing each other out.
Who remembers the good old days?,leaping up and down on the kickstarter and cursing 'cause it hasn't started,starting to worry about what's wrong with it,building up a sweat, then noticing you'd accidentally knocked the kill switch to "off".😀😁😉
I had a friend deployed in South Korea for a bit. He's on the "don't touch kill switch side" because he'se seen a lot bikes with the kill see no longer working, because they always use it.
kill switch is fine, hell some newer bikes don't even have a traditional key just a proximity key fob and as such only have the kill switch no ignition what so ever.
A benefit of using the Kill Switch frequently, is that you Know it's working... 🙂👍 I was a printer for 19 years using high-speed Flexo printing presses. The boss would always say... 'Hit that E-Stop once in a while to make sure it's working'.
In addition, as taught in my MSF motorcycle safety course (2019, California), it's good to get in the habit of using the kill switch to turn off the bike instead of the key, because that's the quickest way to do it in an emergency, such as when you need to stop power to the wheels, or if you go down and want to reduce risk of fire. Kill switch requires a movement of a finger to push a button (easy, fast), whereas key requires movement of arm and two fingers squeezing to rotate off (harder, slower).
I've got a pretty bad battery at the moment so I always use the key. The headlight will drain it pretty quick... The other week, I started my bike, went back inside to get ready and found it wasn't running when I came back out (forgot to turn the fuel in). Those 3-5 mins were enough to have the starter really struggling to get it going again. Good thing my bike starts super easily! I'll get around to replacing it some day.
Thank god someone has tackled this obviously highly concerning issue for many people. I just don't understand why it is an issue. How on earth can a switch do any damage. All it does is break contact in a circuit. I've always been perplexed about why so many people think that using the kill switch regularly does any kind of damage. We train people to always switch off with the kill switch first, simply so that this becomes automatic and in an emergency they automatically use it instead of trying to find the ignition key, requiring them to remove their hand from the handlebar. But even if you don't agree with this, what does it matter? It's just a switch!!
330kV 330kV , your reason is the only good reason for using kill switch then key routine, it makes it automatic in a real emergency . The explanation in this video that the key, the kill switch and the side stand down cut out switch all do the same thing is then demonstrated in the video to be WRONG. For that reason I have Thumbed Down this video.
It is not a Kill Switch it is an Emergency Kill Switch. Every time you use the kill switch you are practicing for an emergency (jammed throttle). True, a rare and improbable emergency but given probability and severity its worth the effort.
My first bike was a Chinese twist'n'go. The throttle spring snapped after 2 weeks, while at was at max speed and needed to slow down for a truck that had just pulled in front of me. I had been instructed to use only the key to turn off, so I was unprepared for the emergency. I had to wrestle the bike to a stop with its barely adequate brakes before reaching for the key. Only then did I realise I could've used the kill switch with my thumb. I used the kill switch ever after. Now I have a CB125F which has no kill switch.
@@Chris-yy7qc I don't use kill switch to stop by bike, but for safety standpoint I don't think it's bad thing to use it. My gf uses it to stop her bike and I once asked about it and she said it was recommended at getting drivers license. I know it is wearing the switch, but I don't care. It's good to know that she's accustomed to it as a kill switch if something were to happen. After all. That switch doesn't cost virtually nothing if it breaks because of using it.
I was taught to use the Kill switch, so that in an EMERGENCY you'll know exactly where to find it. funny thing is though, in an emergency my arms were never long enough to reach the kill switch
@@calvindavis9005 if you are not near your bike it is not necessary to turn it off quickly right? It’s not putting any limbs in danger of getting shredded by a running chain or something
PA for our courses all the instructors are to make sure students use the kill switch to turn off their motorcycles, then turn off the key. Many students have been reprimanded for using the key to turn off the bike. The way it was explained to me, since I brought up at our instructors meeting that neither way is right or wrong, is that they want to make sure brand new riders know 1. Where the kill switch is, 2. Get used to it/muscle memory in case of an incident, and 3. So that new riders keep both hands on the handlebars at all times, until the motorcycle is off. Especially for drills, as we line them up. There have been instances where people have had the bike in gear, in line, and for some reason used their left hand to turn the key to turn off the bike lol. You’ll see a lot of insanity at the beginner rider course.
Oh man that has probably caused a lot of people some confusion, even my 1982 Yamaha doesn't crank with the stand down. The other day it took about 15 minutes to figure out why my brother's 82 Yamaha refused to crank after charging the battery, and it turns out he parked it in gear and the neutral light burned out LOL made me feel pretty stupid
Thank you!!! I was wondering this as well as I accidentally keep putting kick stand down first and that kills the engine. Using ignition key and the explanation of the battery consumption makes sense!!
Cutting spark is cutting spark...doesn't matter which switch shuts off the power. I personally touch the killswitch on my motorcycle so infrequently, i often forget it is even there.
I used the I'll switch for 7 years on my Yamaha fz6r. I always turned off the ignition and removed my key. It started up every day, I never had any issues.
The few bike I've owned would not try to start with the killswitch on. I'm guessing most modern bikes are the same and I've even noticed some bikes with the killswitch as a 3 position rocker where up starts the bike middle is the normal running position and down is killswitch on. Nice that manufacturers have fixed that little gremlin
You haven't considered the point of the kill switch, it may not damage the electrics, but you may damage this 'safety feature'. You should ideally always use the ignition to switch the engine off however, in the case of keyless ignitions, this also turns off the screen. The kill switch is really there for emergencies if there's a problem or the bikes crashed and the throttle is stuck open. Continually using the kill switch to turn the engine off may over time damage the switch contacts and at some point, it may fail, usually when you need to use it in an emergency situation. I realise, that switches have a huge life cycle and in most cases will last longer than the bike, but it is that time when you really need to use the switch that it doesn't work becasue you've used it too many times. My advice is to use the ignition as much as possible and the kill switch when you need the screen on.
Depends on the bike. The problem of using the clutch is that if its an older bike it might not have any rev limiter. That means that without load the engine will rev until something breaks. Most likely the valves will touch the piston and then you might have an completely destroyed engine.
I was just thinking about posting about how Yamaha says "use the kill swtich" and Triumph says "don´t use the kill switch" and you use the Speed Triple´s example. I currently ride a Tiger 800 and to me was annoying not to use it, after doing it for almost 8 years on two Yamahas I owned. Thanks for the explanation.
For a future topic, how about discussing (1.) the best "design" helmet for your riding style... for example: a helmet designed for the aggressive, tucked-in style for high speed riding vs. the straight-up style of riding a cruiser bike. (2.) Also, maybe share what kind of riding helmet with a visor is appropriate vs. a helmet without a visor, vs. a modular helmet. (3.) And lastly, maybe the pros and cons of the half helmet, vs. the 3/4 helmet, vs. the full helmet, vs. the modular helmet. In my experience, the wrong helmet design can contribute to uncomfortable buffeting, excessive wind noise (that can damage hearing), and the sensation that a helmet is being pulled upward by air flow from being seated at the wrong angle for that particular design. I've learned (by expensive trial and error) that the best helmet I can wear riding a sport bike in a crouched-forward position is NOT the same helmet I should wear when seated straight-up on a cruiser. Thanks for your consideration.
On my Harleys it is an On/Off switch. When it's off I can run the run the radio or use the headlamps with the turn switch. Once I flip the run(kill switch) it powers the fuel injection and primes the engine whether I start it or not.
It just stands to reason and logic that motorcycle manufacturers would not put kill switches on their products which would damage them. (and in my Harley manual it actually says you should use the kill switch to turn the motorcycle off, plus the MSC also teaches that this is the correct way to do so)
Great channel, found it from your MT-10 review (one of which I bought two days ago!) I'm still bingeing on your content and I may have missed it if you've already done it, but if there are any tips on clutch, throttle and brake maintenance (as opposed to adjustment) would be nice. How to lube them, what to consider if you have an electronic throttle, basically how to keep the controls feeling smooth and reliable.
I got my bike license in Japan years ago and the instructor basically said to never use the killswitch under normal situations and only use it in 'emergencies' i.e. accidents. He told me that it can harm the bike (didn't go into specifics) and said that I can get marked down in my final test if I used the switch instead of the key to turn off the bike.
The wiring diagram on my 1991 zx11 indicates that both the ignition circuit and fuel pump circuits switch on and off with both the ignition key and the kill switch. Therefore it will not flood just from trying to start with kill switch off.
The amount of times iv flooded my bike because someone had turned my kill switch on or iv accidentally left it, it sucks😂 keep up the good work mc garage! Only reason I found this Chanel is because I was looking up my bike and and come up with my garage, because conveniently mc bike is a MC22😂
It's just good practice to use the kill switch as using it helps keep the contacts clean. Same thing with people who only use "Park" in their cars, then have it fail inspection because the emergency brake cables have seized up. It's also the quickest, and most controlled way to get out of a tank slapper. Oh! and it's the simplest wiring to come off of if you're fitting a hidden immobilizer. I actually took all the wires out of a kill switch and rerouted them to a two position toggle hidden up under the frame on a CB750 cafe racer I built.
I have a friend with an older dual sport 250, can't exactly remember what bike, but he virtually always shut it off with the kick stand, and almost never with the ignition or kill switch.
The only thing I was told is that the kill switch is rated for 10,000 operations, where as the ignition barrel is rated for 100,000 operations(or something like that) therefore suggesting that it's to avoid replacment parts in the very long term.
i own a used 2008 CBR600rr. It was stalling constantly from the moment I purchased it. So i decided to stop using the kill switch and only use the key to see if it helped. It has NEVER stalled from that day forward. I've spoken to my mechanic about it and he agrees kill switches can be faulty and get damaged with age/repeated use and, there's really no need to use them outside of an emergency
Good video! it helped alot but im wondering if you can do any harm to the bike if you kill switch while riding becouse ive seen alot of people using it to backfire. thanks
The curious thing is that the MSF course specifically sets up in the stages for turning the bike off, to hit the switch before turning the key to off position. I guess the reasoning was to allow time for the fuel pump to decompress. That being said, my Kawi doesn't do anything with the fuel pump until after I turn the key, which makes more sense anyway. The only real advantage I can see, is that it causes the rider to check the switch every time they start up. This would be useful on the carbureted bikes that you mentioned. It would be a good habit to have in that situation.
My entire life I've reach for ignition, then switch, one after the other in quick succession, and never thought about it, just one of those things we do that we've always done. Thanks for clarifying though.
I typically use the kill switch to prevent people messing with my bike when I think its likely. Most people seeing my bike for the first time want to play about so it just saves me a lot of hassle knowing they aren't aware that the engine can't start. That said I have forgotten about it and worried myself a few times, but when I finally got round to it the bike started easily and I've finally learnt to check the kill switch if it no longer starts. I've never had to use it, in fact the only time I dropped my bike I found out it has its own automated kill switch and stopped working until I turned the ignition off and on again. Confusing at the time but pretty cool now I know.
Totally anecdotal, but I had a CRB250R that would periodically stall about 4 seconds after starting. Some cbr forum people said if you used the key to turn it off then the stalling would stop. I started turning it off that way and didn't have the problem again
This is a thing about TFT displays, most manufacturers who fit them put a warning up if the kill switch is off. Luckily for me, as I reached up to open the right hand vent in my helmet I hit it on the way back to the throttle. KTM give you a nice orange warning right across the top of the screen and it only took a second to work it out as the engine was dying. Conversely a few years ago I had been having starting problems with my Guzzi and after filling up at a service station my bike wouldn't start. I had half the wiring out on the forecourt before I realised I had thrown my gloves on the kill switch while filling up the tank, My girlfriend pillion thought it was hilarious. I can never understand bikes with the ignition wired through the side stand so you can't start it with it down, my sons BMW did that and it used to annoy the hell out of him because all the bikes he had before would start with it down as long as they were out of gear. I know it makes it super safe but you only have to use the neutral light wiring to facilitate making sure it's out of gear. That's what we did anyway. I always start a bike with the clutch in even if you don't need to as it gives the starter a bit less to deal with, my van and my car won't start unless you do this anyway.
About 9 years ago I accidentally hit the kill switch on my gixxer with my left hand/wrist while reaching for throttle (right side) to maintain highway speed, while i tried to zip up a pocket with my right hand. (make sense?) It was 2am and pitch black. I had no idea what had happened as the bike came to a stop. I tried to start it probably 20 times. I knew i had fuel.... The engine was turning over.... WTF??? Eventually called a friend to pick me up and left my bike hidden in some bushes on the interstate. Went back the next day and tried again to start it about 5 times before i flipped the kill switch just out of desperation. I've never felt so stupid.
RoadRunner I was on the twisty bends in middle of npwhere and my tankbag hit the kill switch I thought throttle cable snapped never have I felt relief after spotting it
Lol its that stupid moments that make a good story tho xD
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Honking with the start switch is just as stupid as starting the engine with the horn switch...
RoadRunner I usually hang my helmet from the handle bar when I'm taking a break.
I got so far as removing the tank, the spark plugs, the battery, and was about to give up hope and call for a pickup, when I spotted the kill switch, switched to _off_
Thanks, helmet. That was really stupid.
Luckily there was nobody around to laugh at me.
BTDT - but on a kick start only bike. I was repositioning my hand and bumped the switch. Took about 10 minutes for the fog to clear.
I am glad that is over with. A switch is a switch is a switch in a single circuit. Thankyou for making this public statement so I never have to argue this again.
upside downdog see the thing I was told about using it from my instructors was this, wear on the bottom it's self so there is some chance if you came to needing it, it may not work. Personally I use the key but I've used the switch too haha
DDON I would argue with that instructor (respectfully - they do a vital job) that a key and ignition barrel replacement are like 1 billion times the cost of a kill switch replacement, so if you're that worried about things wearing out, use the kill switch and then very daintily turn and remove your key when the bike isn't vibrating lol.
Seriously you're not gonna wear it out, unless you have some kind of nervous behaviour that has you flipping it on and off at every light you stop at. In reality avoiding using it at all for fear of preserving it could be far worse. By never moving the switch, you could be allowing crap like corrosion or dirt and greese to build up on the contacts and you won't know it doesn't work reliably anymore until you need it.
Not saying use one or the other, just saying it really doesn't matter, OP's right it's just a switch, and you shouldn't avoid using one or the other.
James Oren I get that argument haha and personally I'll use it if I'm not getting off the bike ... I.e. trying to talk to someone. But if I'm getting off it why not just remove the key it's gonna come out anyways.
I personally like the ritual of: leg over, turn the key, flip the switch, wait for the pump, then start the bike.
And people are still arguing after it's been debunked
If I had a dollar for every time one of my friends or family members called because their bike would not start and they hit the kill switch and did not realize it... i would have like 9 dollars.
yep, I'd have at least forty-five cents.
That's a lot of dollars.
mate I once pushed my bike all the way to my parents house because I did not realize.... Thank god it was a 125 xd
I've done it to myself a few times. But then I only ever turn my bike off with the kickstand, so it's typically only after somebody else has ridden it. 🤣
'Like $9?' How many is like 9? Do you mean 9?
I use the kill switch first. Especially at night because I can have my headlights on when I'm parking my bike in the dark. If I use the key, I won't have headlights.
I use the kill switch first, then the key switch. Never thought about the fact you turn off the lighting when you use the key switch. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. You can learn something new everyday.
You’d probably be better just leaving it running while parking so you’re not discharging the battery. Also gives your engine a few more seconds of coolant and oil circulation after a ride.
Turn the key off and on again...there you go, you have your lights!
@@faustin289 if that were my bike in his situation, the lights stay off until you turn the bike over again. Maybe his is the same?
@@nunyabusiness896 maybe his is air cooled 🤔
I use the killswitch 100% of the times. I was taught this is the right way. But I was curious why and here I am learning that, to some people, I've been doing it wrong all along. And finally learning that it's irrelevant if I use it or not, so I guess I will continue to do it as I always did.
The killswitch is in the same position on all bikes so if you come across a downed rider you can always quickly switch off the bike without having to look for the ignition.
As a mechanic I'm fully aware that using it will have no negative effects on your engine or computer.
Any switch has moving parts so using them wears the switch out. I always use the ignition or the stand switch because I have to use them anyway but if I have to turn off the bike quickly (usually to talk to someone) I use the killswitch because its easier.
I try to avoid using it often because the mechanism is usually less robust then the ignition or side stand switches and prone to wearing quickly, although I have only ever seen kill switches worn to the point of failure on 30+ year old bikes.
Mushu Tak i have an almost 40 yro bike the kill switch works great i use it all the time.
Although i did leave my key in the ignition and drained my battery once.
I use the killswitch every single time I turn off my bike. I've had this bike for almost two years and the only wear out I've noticed is the painted ignition symbol on the start button. The killswitch looks, feels and works as good as new.
4year old bike, switch failed... had to tow the bike back. but its a dualsport and sand is super aggressive
Mushu Tak This right here is the exact same thing my mechanic told me when I bought my first bike.
I am also a bike mechanic and always recommend using the key switch unless its an emergency to try and teach people they need to remember to turn the key off. Ive seen hundreds of bikes with the battery drained and no longer able to hold a charge because my service writer took a riding class where they told him that its safe to use the kill not the key.
And also to remember to take your key with you when locked and parked the motorcycle. 😄
It happened to me once, at the beach, and I thought I lost the key, it stood there all day...
Rarely happens to me TT
Yes, too many times I killed my scooter (RF 600 RR later 1st gen R1)... in daytime and walked into the resort/Heath club... worked out for 2 hours and came back to find my key in the ignition & flat battery. I would curse Suzuki and Yamaha for not putting a kick start lever when it was my fault. Then find a hill... push the bike up it the turn around pushing downhill and pop-start it....totally exhausted from my workout. Sometimes had to do in on level ground... not easygoing.
By the time I finally bought a 'keybak' for my waist band I'd trained myself.
Gloves, 'phone, key!
Before that. 9/10 forgot the key.
Wtf are you trying to say?
Kill switches are useful for parking on hills. Pull in the clutch with the bike in gear, come to a complete stop, kill the engine, and then let out the clutch to keep you from rolling downhill. Its way easier than thumbing around for the key and you don't have to take either hand off your handlebar.
Using the killswitch often is good practice IMO because you'll be familiar with its location should you actually need to use it in an emergency (throttle stuck, etc.)
I had my brakes fail on track and I left the track at about 100 to 140 kph... luckily that corner had a big run off... I down changed until I was in first which is still a fast gear and the tyre wall was coming. Killswitch and it finally came to a stop.
The only proper way to use a kill-switch is to use someone else's kill switch
Nah the good ol' twist, pull, drop pranks my fave. Take your buddies keys and drop them on the ground at a red just before they turn green lol
Get your buddy killed in traffic for the lulz
@Nightraid yourface yep 😁
@Donald Trump's Space Force dude, I could never take away a name as cool as yours 😮
@@rutrho890 huh?
I use the kill switch all the time on my bike. Love having the lights on in my photos haha! Also if I just want to stop the engine for a sec for a quick convo it's nice to not have to turn the key back and forth.
Thanks for the clarification. I've always used all three switches, so if there's a problem I find out at a more convenient time rather than a lesser.
Since it’s there for emergency use there’s a good argument for using it routinely. When faced with emergency situations we carry out actions that we are very familiar with because we don’t have time to think. If we never use the kill switch (as I don’t) we’ll ‘forget’ it’s there and in a high stress situation we’ll just go for what we know. Good video. Thanks
Added tidbit : Harley Davidson has gotten rid of the ignition key and uses a key fob. The killswitch IS the way to turn off the engine.
Unless you’re on a sportster.
Actually, most newer Harley’s still have an Ignition Switch that rotates from OFF to IGNITION to ACCY. Can also rotate the Ignition Switch counter clockwise more to FORK LOCK.
I personally turn off the engine via the Ignition Switch or the lights remain on.
Be well.
@Jef Le Floch Soooo you don't ride a Harley
As mentioned Sportster you must have key and Fob......missing either the bike won't start
The big bores have a switch that can be locked with the key, however carrying the key is not required if you don't lock the bike, but you must have the switch on ignition before the bike will start, the kill switch must be on run, and the Fob must be present
@@rugershooter5268 2021 FXST.
Just Fob in my pocket.
Key for steering lock.
I'll send you a picture of me riding my Harley, it's very niiiiice 😜
@@JefLeFloch How right you are, my apologies, I've never been on a big bore with a sportster tank, not that I don't want to, but I've got my Dyna and Ultra.
Kill switch breaks the electrical circuit so the engine wont fire ...either way it's the same as ignition switch .
Basic circuitry.
Exactly... 😀👍
Except the kill switch leaves all your lights on so traffic can still see you bike while the key turns everything off
*PLEASE EXPLAIN I DONT UNDERSTAND!*
haha - totally agree with Triumph. I was using my kickstand for the longest time to stop my bike. Worked no problems when going to work, but the first time I did it going to somewhere else I forgot my key in the ignition. For two hours.... battery dead.... Now I ensure the bike is in neutral, kick the stand and turn the bike off at the key like a good boy. 'Cause I am an idiot like Triumph engineers thought.
I've been known to do the same thing as well. I finally broke myself from using the kill switch.
I have other keys on my keychain so I'm sure to take my keys with me, but I can see how easy it would be to do what you did.
For me it's the other way around... I used the key for turning my bike off and after getting ready to go (removing luggage, putting my brake lock in place, taking off the helmet) I forgot my key way too often. Now I use my side stand and keep the lights on and hear a bit of coil whine reminding me to take the key with me. Did not forget it a single time since I do this. I also leave the gear in as I usually park on a non-flat spot so the bike can't roll.
I use the killswitch all the time, I can keep my headlights on without having to fumble around with the key, and as someone who's had my bike stolen, I always (ALWAYS) use my steering lock, so it's not like I'm leaving my bike powered!
It's always a good idea to test safety equipment regularly to ensure it operates correctly, kill, neutral safety and stand safety switches are no exception. I often shut down by setting the stand while in gear.
Today’s version of tying the reins with a “get away knot”. Safety devices are best left for safety / emergency response, with occasional, deliberate exercising.
I do too
When i was doing my CBT training, the instructor reprimanded me for using the KS. Apparently "it hurts the engine". I knew it was bullshit but why waste breath.
This is not what I was told. The kill switch was not designed for as much use and can wear down faster than the ignition switch. The ignition switch is designed to last longer. And designed for use every time you ride/ start the bike. The side stand should last also. It it was a side stand switch I had fail. Over bumps bike would sometimes sputter and sometimes full stall.
Mike Tarsitano wear down the killswitch.... did you even watch the video??
My motorcycle safety course drummed the opposite mantra. “Thumb-Key” was the order to turn off our bikes.
Did someone say CBT???
@@recklessrickey9513 in the UK, CBT = compulsory basic training, which allows you to ride up to a 125cc with L plates. everyone has to do it before they can go on and get their full bike licence
Using kill switch affects the clutch and gearbox. Suspention loose its properties too and tyres wear faster
bahahahahahahahaa and ruins gas mileage
Dude wtf? And the Earth is flat, right?
Yes and breathing causes death.
yes
Now... I can die in peace
Can you dissect clutchless gear shifting please. Is it bad for the engine?
It's not bad for the engine but potentially your shift forks. If the throttle is closed completely at the moment of up-shifting, it's as smooth if not smoother than using your clutch. However, when you accelerate hard with wide-open throttle or are already at high speeds, closing the throttle completely when up-shifting takes longer and is harder, so I generally use the clutch at speeds above 40mph. Clutchless down-shifting is even harder since you have to precisely match the engine revs, and it's not saving any time.
SV650NYC I will add that I tend to get stuck in between gears if clutchless shifting 5-6, so I always use the clutch for that. Seems to be a somewhat common thing for all kinds of bikes out there.
zbb2stillalive For the OP, there is a video out there that explains motorcycle transmissions, has one dissected, and goes into why the "dog" tooth gear set up can handle clutchless shifting. Should be an easy search.
zbb2stillalive
buy a moped instead you bitch
I only use the clutch when I'm not accelerating, my bike responds best that way. if im already doing the speed limit I clutch up, when accelerating I drop the throttle as far as feels smooth for the perfect upshift
Didn't mention the main use of the kill switch; the quick flip to get the all-important backfire!
PsyMongazoid Which bounces your exhaust valves into the pistons.
@SvenTviking
*shh*
Do you mean that it has uses beside that?
i wonder how if i kill switch the engine if and we not pull the clutch does the tyre will slide?
Kill switch pops on a carbed bike with open pipes is so much fun 😂
The engine flooding happened to me yesterday night ! Man you covered almost all the corner cases. Great!
When you posted comments from people I paused to read them. I want to make it clear that your videos do not address what everyone “already” knows. I am learning quite a bit by watching your videos. I love cars/trucks and I know quite a bit but I’ve never worked on a bike and there is a lot to learn. Please continue your videos on every topic and not just topics an experienced rider will be interested in. Thank you.
I've used kill switch on my 2013 Triumph Bonneville for the past 7 years, each and every ride, over 70k KM's. Never had any issues. Only problems I've seen, on our Triumph forum, we regularly get posts from newer riders in a panic b/c they cannot start their bikes. I've learned one of the first things to ask, "Did you accidentally toggle the kill switch?" . This has earned me many "Likes" on the forums....
When I use the kill switch it throws EMP's and my watch runs faster...
Is this true? How does the kill switch do that but not the ignition switch? Don’t want to magnetize my watch
69th like ;)
I caused myself some trouble and frustration a long time ago when I used the kill switch to shut off the motorcycle. It was a little bit corroded and didn't make a good connection when it was reengaged. I usually use the kick stand since my bikes have a kick stand safety switch.
My carburetted bikes won't even turn over when the killswitch is flipped.
Once did it on accident while going down the street at night. Gave it full throttle, more choke and when i realized i flipped it on accident and switched it back on...loudest band i've ever heard. The whole exhaust was full of mixture. Scared myself shitless xD
Quick story: A few years back I showed up to help a buddy load his UHAUL on my Triumph Bonneville. To mix things up I used the kill switch when I parked (I typically turn the key to turn off the bike…per the salesman and owners manual instructions). When I returned to my bike and it wouldn’t start, I began to panic. We ended up attempting to load my bike into my buddy’s half full UHUAL to get myself home. After almost dropping my bike while trying to roll it up the ramp, I finally remembered I’d used the kill switch.
Appreciate the video!
I have a 1978 Honda Goldwing GL1000 (carburetor bike) and I made that mistake with the kill switch off and tried to start and start (5 seconds, get over it) and I realized it, then went to start with kill on and the bang was so loud... There were two young women immediately (5 feet) behind me and I saw in their eyes their own lives flash before them. It was the day after the Los Vegas mass shooting...
Garrett Dunlap My Suzuki gs500 2k6 if I let the kill switch on, the starting motor don't move the engine. So it can't let in any gas to the engine as is no vacuum from the motor.
Anyway, I tried to let it down in 2nd gear across the street 4 times without luck, the rear tire don't move.
Then I realized about the kill switch.
I'd have screamed 'get down'.
Las Vegas, not Los Vegas. Hundreds of people do this. Funny how nobody ever says Las Angeles. And I'm British, by the way.
In bike safety class they where crazy anal about using the kill switch. They made it sound like if you didn't your engine would explode
at my msf course the pressed the issue because they wanted both hands on the bars not because they key is bad
What kolby said.
I've seen people drop their bikes by reaching for the key left-handed and forgetting their bike is still in gear. If they'd used the kill switch, they wouldn't have looked like dumbasses.
My MSF course here in Vancouver emphasized the kill switch use for parking: by leaving the lights and blinkers on (but engine off) you're more visible to traffic as you pull in, especially if backing slowly in from a traffic lane.
I was also just recently told at the MSF course that this was the reason. To be more visible when stopping at the side of the road and parking.
DC bro?!?!? Your argument is invalid!
Conclusion, just pop out the stand to turn off ur bike
Yup
And if your bike doesn't cut off if you put the kickstand down? I have a 1988 KZ1000-P and the kickstand only kills the engine if you both put it into gear and release the clutch just enough to get it into the friction zone.
I previously had a KZ750-LTD and it didn't have any sort of kill switch on its kickstand.
@@BerryTheBnnuy It's probably due to them being older bikes. Both my 2000 GS500 and 2017 z650 instantly get shut off if the bike is in gear and the kick stand gets put down.
My bike doesn't turn off if the bike is on neutral. It will only turn off if I leave it in gear
so U're in the first gear after U stop xD...
Can you do a video of pros and cons of different engine configuration V, Inline, Boxer, like what you guys did with the Drivetrain. Im really curious
Kenjihiro Sakamoto but how is Ducati getting High Horsepower if its a V twin?
Large bore, short stroke. This makes the engine capable of making a lot of power high up in the rev range. Motorcycles like Harley-Davidson are the opposite: smaller bore, longer stroke. The longer stroke creates higher piston speeds, which is good for low-rev torque, but the engine can't rev high, because the pistons would be moving too fast.
ZacharyB what about dirtbikes? The vibrate at high RPM but theyre not that fast
The vibration in dirt bikes/dual-sports/motocross bikes isn't necessarily from long-stroke pistons, but from there usually only being a single piston. This keeps this kind of bike simpler and lighter weight, for off-road use. But because there's only one piston, the reciprocating weight isn't balanced by another piston somewhere. Sometimes, the manufacturers add in a balance shaft or something to help smooth it out, but it's not as smooth as when there are more pistons balancing each other out.
problem with ducati bikes they dont last long
Why would someone dislike this video? It’s not that hard to comprehend. It’s like a three way switch in your house, in a cense.
You guys cover some really interesting topics... without the BS - I dig it.
Who remembers the good old days?,leaping up and down on the kickstarter and cursing 'cause it hasn't started,starting to worry about what's wrong with it,building up a sweat, then noticing you'd accidentally knocked the kill switch to "off".😀😁😉
And when the kick starter kicks you back. 😂
I still use kick starts and almost everyone i know also use kickstarts because in finland u drive 50 cc bikes
I ride a dual sport bike and when I went down I immediately hit the kill switch to keep it from running when it was on its side. So I like it
I had a friend deployed in South Korea for a bit. He's on the "don't touch kill switch side" because he'se seen a lot bikes with the kill see no longer working, because they always use it.
That seems like an easy fix. If you use it regularly, then you will find out that it is broken right away.
I just loves to hear from you.. you're absolutely explaining the exact point. Nothing to skip on your videos. Thanks for explaining tech.
My bike doesn’t have a key. Kill switch on, starter, bike goes. When I’ve finished, kill switch off.
Job done, no damage.
Great video.
Was wondering about this - now I am not and can wonder about something else.
What'ch wondering about now ?????? I was just wondering.
The Wonder years?
Wonderful :-}
Kill switch while in traffic, makes it easier to turn the bike on again rather than turning the key.
kill switch is fine, hell some newer bikes don't even have a traditional key just a proximity key fob and as such only have the kill switch no ignition what so ever.
OMG, this has been in question? Makes as much sense as a left or right handed belt for your trousers.
A benefit of using the Kill Switch frequently, is that you Know it's working... 🙂👍
I was a printer for 19 years using high-speed Flexo printing presses. The boss would always say... 'Hit that E-Stop once in a while to make sure it's working'.
Ha! I have been using my side stand for years since I always park in gear. LOL I never thought of this as an issue.
ADVRX I always use the side stand to shut my bike off too. Keeps me from forgetting to put the stand down before dismounting.
Same here. You're probably already in first gear, which is also a biker's parking brake. These vids are sometimes duh info for noobs.
Side stand is the way to go. Bike stays in gear and doesn’t get dropped.
can you make a video on
what happens when we dont use the clutch for shifting gears
In addition, as taught in my MSF motorcycle safety course (2019, California), it's good to get in the habit of using the kill switch to turn off the bike instead of the key, because that's the quickest way to do it in an emergency, such as when you need to stop power to the wheels, or if you go down and want to reduce risk of fire. Kill switch requires a movement of a finger to push a button (easy, fast), whereas key requires movement of arm and two fingers squeezing to rotate off (harder, slower).
I've got a pretty bad battery at the moment so I always use the key. The headlight will drain it pretty quick... The other week, I started my bike, went back inside to get ready and found it wasn't running when I came back out (forgot to turn the fuel in). Those 3-5 mins were enough to have the starter really struggling to get it going again. Good thing my bike starts super easily! I'll get around to replacing it some day.
Thank god someone has tackled this obviously highly concerning issue for many people. I just don't understand why it is an issue. How on earth can a switch do any damage. All it does is break contact in a circuit. I've always been perplexed about why so many people think that using the kill switch regularly does any kind of damage. We train people to always switch off with the kill switch first, simply so that this becomes automatic and in an emergency they automatically use it instead of trying to find the ignition key, requiring them to remove their hand from the handlebar. But even if you don't agree with this, what does it matter? It's just a switch!!
330kV 330kV , your reason is the only good reason for using kill switch then key routine, it makes it automatic in a real emergency . The explanation in this video that the key, the kill switch and the side stand down cut out switch all do the same thing is then demonstrated in the video to be WRONG. For that reason I have Thumbed Down this video.
It is not a Kill Switch it is an Emergency Kill Switch.
Every time you use the kill switch you are practicing for an emergency (jammed throttle). True, a rare and improbable emergency but given probability and severity its worth the effort.
My first bike was a Chinese twist'n'go. The throttle spring snapped after 2 weeks, while at was at max speed and needed to slow down for a truck that had just pulled in front of me. I had been instructed to use only the key to turn off, so I was unprepared for the emergency. I had to wrestle the bike to a stop with its barely adequate brakes before reaching for the key. Only then did I realise I could've used the kill switch with my thumb. I used the kill switch ever after.
Now I have a CB125F which has no kill switch.
@@Chris-yy7qc I don't use kill switch to stop by bike, but for safety standpoint I don't think it's bad thing to use it. My gf uses it to stop her bike and I once asked about it and she said it was recommended at getting drivers license. I know it is wearing the switch, but I don't care. It's good to know that she's accustomed to it as a kill switch if something were to happen. After all. That switch doesn't cost virtually nothing if it breaks because of using it.
I can't believe that this is a topic of debate.
Content lol
I was taught to use the Kill switch, so that in an EMERGENCY you'll know exactly where to find it. funny thing is though, in an emergency my arms were never long enough to reach the kill switch
Serious question: If your arms aren’t long enough to hit the switch, how do you reach the handlebars?
@@recklessrickey9513 in an emergency. (sliding on your arse 3 meters behind the bike) handle bars are also hard to reach
@@calvindavis9005 if you are not near your bike it is not necessary to turn it off quickly right? It’s not putting any limbs in danger of getting shredded by a running chain or something
I have finished my MC Garage Marathon and I learned a lot thank to you and your team, so... thank you Ari! ;)
PA for our courses all the instructors are to make sure students use the kill switch to turn off their motorcycles, then turn off the key. Many students have been reprimanded for using the key to turn off the bike. The way it was explained to me, since I brought up at our instructors meeting that neither way is right or wrong, is that they want to make sure brand new riders know 1. Where the kill switch is, 2. Get used to it/muscle memory in case of an incident, and 3. So that new riders keep both hands on the handlebars at all times, until the motorcycle is off. Especially for drills, as we line them up. There have been instances where people have had the bike in gear, in line, and for some reason used their left hand to turn the key to turn off the bike lol. You’ll see a lot of insanity at the beginner rider course.
I use the kill switch all the time. My bike is 11 years old and it never left me on foot.
Aeeee vai Brasiiiiil
Fun one for you, the RC390 will crank but not start if in gear with the clutch pulled but the kick stand down.
Oh man that has probably caused a lot of people some confusion, even my 1982 Yamaha doesn't crank with the stand down. The other day it took about 15 minutes to figure out why my brother's 82 Yamaha refused to crank after charging the battery, and it turns out he parked it in gear and the neutral light burned out LOL made me feel pretty stupid
odd, my cbr won't even crank in gear with ks down. have to bring the stand up or put her in n
Yeah I know! No other bike I have encountered behaves this way.
every bike ive driven in finland behaves like that :O Though that is only small bikes because i legally cant drive bigger than 125cc as im 17
MrRyanthegreat1 my sv1000 does the same thing. But the moment you flip up the kickstand itll turn right over
2:01 You don't believe me? Take a look at this wiring diagram.
Me: It looks complicated. I will not use the kill switch.
Adrian Aldueza just look at your bikes diagram, follow the lines. Not hard at all.
Hahahaha. Nice.
Thank you!!! I was wondering this as well as I accidentally keep putting kick stand down first and that kills the engine. Using ignition key and the explanation of the battery consumption makes sense!!
That’s a relief! Because me and my ride buddy had this wonderful debate going on since last few years! You settled that finally!
Now people just need to believe what you say instead of what others have told them and move on with life
The kill switch is for emergency personnel to shut off your bike.
They don't have time to look for the key location.
Lol 😂
I was taught kill switch, and I've been doing it that way for the past 5 yrs
Cutting spark is cutting spark...doesn't matter which switch shuts off the power. I personally touch the killswitch on my motorcycle so infrequently, i often forget it is even there.
I used the I'll switch for 7 years on my Yamaha fz6r. I always turned off the ignition and removed my key. It started up every day, I never had any issues.
The US is such a huge motorcycle market? Hahahahahahhahaha
I used to flip my friends kill switch at a stop light when I'm riding next to him 😂
People living in fear should turn off MSM (merchants of fear)
Even an instructor I talked to said it would damage the electrical components of the bike.
I always use it though. So much easier to reach.
The few bike I've owned would not try to start with the killswitch on. I'm guessing most modern bikes are the same and I've even noticed some bikes with the killswitch as a 3 position rocker where up starts the bike middle is the normal running position and down is killswitch on. Nice that manufacturers have fixed that little gremlin
I live in India with geared bikes so I just let go of clutch while in gear
I was taught to killswitch
How about a DIY kill switch ?, Will it damage the bike ?
I love that makeshift side cover on the shadow, I was just going to paint the filter cover on mine, but now I want to do something like that!
You haven't considered the point of the kill switch, it may not damage the electrics, but you may damage this 'safety feature'. You should ideally always use the ignition to switch the engine off however, in the case of keyless ignitions, this also turns off the screen. The kill switch is really there for emergencies if there's a problem or the bikes crashed and the throttle is stuck open. Continually using the kill switch to turn the engine off may over time damage the switch contacts and at some point, it may fail, usually when you need to use it in an emergency situation. I realise, that switches have a huge life cycle and in most cases will last longer than the bike, but it is that time when you really need to use the switch that it doesn't work becasue you've used it too many times. My advice is to use the ignition as much as possible and the kill switch when you need the screen on.
The right way to turn of your motorcycle is to put the kickstand down. That's literally what I do every time.
If theres ever an emergency, your clutch is your best friend... not the kill switch
False. If you have an issue with the engine and it needs immediate shutdown, your clutch action won't help save it.
ABCD ABCD He wrote emergency. Now you get picky to validate your point? Lemme guess, you're a gun nut too?
Clutch --stop all forward motion.
Depends on the bike. The problem of using the clutch is that if its an older bike it might not have any rev limiter. That means that without load the engine will rev until something breaks. Most likely the valves will touch the piston and then you might have an completely destroyed engine.
Better than your wife going through a brick wall. The emergency advice is always " pull in the clutch" .
I never knew this was an issue for people. Ya learn something new every day!
I was just thinking about posting about how Yamaha says "use the kill swtich" and Triumph says "don´t use the kill switch" and you use the Speed Triple´s example. I currently ride a Tiger 800 and to me was annoying not to use it, after doing it for almost 8 years on two Yamahas I owned. Thanks for the explanation.
For a future topic, how about discussing (1.) the best "design" helmet
for your riding style... for example: a helmet designed for the
aggressive, tucked-in style for high speed riding vs. the straight-up
style of riding a cruiser bike. (2.) Also, maybe share what kind of
riding helmet with a visor is appropriate vs. a helmet without a visor,
vs. a modular helmet. (3.) And lastly, maybe the pros and cons of the
half helmet, vs. the 3/4 helmet, vs. the full helmet, vs. the modular
helmet. In my experience, the wrong helmet design can contribute to
uncomfortable buffeting, excessive wind noise (that can damage hearing),
and the sensation that a helmet is being pulled upward by air flow from
being seated at the wrong angle for that particular design. I've
learned (by expensive trial and error) that the best helmet I can wear
riding a sport bike in a crouched-forward position is NOT the same
helmet I should wear when seated straight-up on a cruiser. Thanks for
your consideration.
On my Harleys it is an On/Off switch. When it's off I can run the run the radio or use the headlamps with the turn switch. Once I flip the run(kill switch) it powers the fuel injection and primes the engine whether I start it or not.
It just stands to reason and logic that motorcycle manufacturers would not put kill switches on their products which would damage them. (and in my Harley manual it actually says you should use the kill switch to turn the motorcycle off, plus the MSC also teaches that this is the correct way to do so)
Great channel, found it from your MT-10 review (one of which I bought two days ago!) I'm still bingeing on your content and I may have missed it if you've already done it, but if there are any tips on clutch, throttle and brake maintenance (as opposed to adjustment) would be nice. How to lube them, what to consider if you have an electronic throttle, basically how to keep the controls feeling smooth and reliable.
I got my bike license in Japan years ago and the instructor basically said to never use the killswitch under normal situations and only use it in 'emergencies' i.e. accidents. He told me that it can harm the bike (didn't go into specifics) and said that I can get marked down in my final test if I used the switch instead of the key to turn off the bike.
Could you make a video about the running-in process, and what's best?
The wiring diagram on my 1991 zx11 indicates that both the ignition circuit and fuel pump circuits switch on and off with both the ignition key and the kill switch. Therefore it will not flood just from trying to start with kill switch off.
The amount of times iv flooded my bike because someone had turned my kill switch on or iv accidentally left it, it sucks😂 keep up the good work mc garage!
Only reason I found this Chanel is because I was looking up my bike and and come up with my garage, because conveniently mc bike is a MC22😂
It's just good practice to use the kill switch as using it helps keep the contacts clean. Same thing with people who only use "Park" in their cars, then have it fail inspection because the emergency brake cables have seized up. It's also the quickest, and most controlled way to get out of a tank slapper. Oh! and it's the simplest wiring to come off of if you're fitting a hidden immobilizer. I actually took all the wires out of a kill switch and rerouted them to a two position toggle hidden up under the frame on a CB750 cafe racer I built.
I have a friend with an older dual sport 250, can't exactly remember what bike, but he virtually always shut it off with the kick stand, and almost never with the ignition or kill switch.
The only thing I was told is that the kill switch is rated for 10,000 operations, where as the ignition barrel is rated for 100,000 operations(or something like that) therefore suggesting that it's to avoid replacment parts in the very long term.
i own a used 2008 CBR600rr. It was stalling constantly from the moment I purchased it. So i decided to stop using the kill switch and only use the key to see if it helped. It has NEVER stalled from that day forward. I've spoken to my mechanic about it and he agrees kill switches can be faulty and get damaged with age/repeated use and, there's really no need to use them outside of an emergency
Good video! it helped alot but im wondering if you can do any harm to the bike if you kill switch while riding becouse ive seen alot of people using it to backfire. thanks
The curious thing is that the MSF course specifically sets up in the stages for turning the bike off, to hit the switch before turning the key to off position. I guess the reasoning was to allow time for the fuel pump to decompress. That being said, my Kawi doesn't do anything with the fuel pump until after I turn the key, which makes more sense anyway. The only real advantage I can see, is that it causes the rider to check the switch every time they start up. This would be useful on the carbureted bikes that you mentioned. It would be a good habit to have in that situation.
My entire life I've reach for ignition, then switch, one after the other in quick succession, and never thought about it, just one of those things we do that we've always done. Thanks for clarifying though.
I typically use the kill switch to prevent people messing with my bike when I think its likely. Most people seeing my bike for the first time want to play about so it just saves me a lot of hassle knowing they aren't aware that the engine can't start. That said I have forgotten about it and worried myself a few times, but when I finally got round to it the bike started easily and I've finally learnt to check the kill switch if it no longer starts. I've never had to use it, in fact the only time I dropped my bike I found out it has its own automated kill switch and stopped working until I turned the ignition off and on again. Confusing at the time but pretty cool now I know.
Totally anecdotal, but I had a CRB250R that would periodically stall about 4 seconds after starting. Some cbr forum people said if you used the key to turn it off then the stalling would stop. I started turning it off that way and didn't have the problem again
Well explained... it really should be obvious but apparently it’s not.
And, why the hell would over 200 idiots give this video a “thumbs down”?
Would you consider a video on how to properly jet carburetors with examples of different air cleaner and exhaust configurations?
Our endorsement safety course instructors taught use to use the kill switch first, it was in the workbooks.
This is a thing about TFT displays, most manufacturers who fit them put a warning up if the kill switch is off. Luckily for me, as I reached up to open the right hand vent in my helmet I hit it on the way back to the throttle. KTM give you a nice orange warning right across the top of the screen and it only took a second to work it out as the engine was dying. Conversely a few years ago I had been having starting problems with my Guzzi and after filling up at a service station my bike wouldn't start. I had half the wiring out on the forecourt before I realised I had thrown my gloves on the kill switch while filling up the tank, My girlfriend pillion thought it was hilarious.
I can never understand bikes with the ignition wired through the side stand so you can't start it with it down, my sons BMW did that and it used to annoy the hell out of him because all the bikes he had before would start with it down as long as they were out of gear. I know it makes it super safe but you only have to use the neutral light wiring to facilitate making sure it's out of gear. That's what we did anyway.
I always start a bike with the clutch in even if you don't need to as it gives the starter a bit less to deal with, my van and my car won't start unless you do this anyway.