One of my favorite episodes so far! We all appreciate the hard work and dedication it took all you guy to create this list! I checked out the small size note section and I have about 90% of the notes so now I get to re-organize them to be a type set which is always a fun time!
Great video and great discussion, as always. I always learn something and it gives me ideas on how to grow my collection. Thank you all for doing this.
Great list and visuals to go along with the conversation! That made it easy to track. I agree that everyone's priorities and interests are going to be different. I think of my own collection, there are some series where I'm happy to just have one coin from that series, and don't feel the need (at the moment) to collect one from each year. Then there are other series that I not only want one from each year, and/or mint mark, but I want as many of the varieties within the series as possible. So it was interesting to see what you all drew the line at when it came to minor/major differences between notes.
Cool that you collect both ways. It's strange from the currency side to see coin collectors need every year/mint mark but when they start collecting currency it's nope, just need one example. Thanks Joe!
@PolarCurrency If I were collecting all the currency you showed in the video, I would definitely be the guy that would want 1 of each "noticeable" design change, like vignette differences. Although honestly, I wouldn't care to collect different years or series (the letters before the numbers?), I would just want 1 of everyone different design.
Dan, great video. This is a particularly tough task to tackle, pretty impressive that the group got through all of it. It’s VERY tough to keep consistent through all the currency variations. The discussion really served to show me how inconsistent I have been in my own type set! Seems like the same areas generate all the inconsistencies. The great thing about type sets, is that each collector can personalize their own lists based on budgets and areas of interest. For me, I’m deeper into Nationals, and my type set will, eventually, cover all 11 types.
I think the answer, especially for Type collectors is to be consistently inconsistent - especially when there's a budget. And there's always a budget. Thank you sir!
As for small sized notes, I consider them so much more attainable and affordable, especially for the small denominations. As for the WWII and Experimental notes, they stand apart from the regular issues of currency, but really should be collected for their stories and historical values. With the R and S, I feel like if you opt out or opt in, it has to be both. My small sized collection does have an example of each type of District seal, and I feel like do that if you wish, but not needed for just a type set.
Great points Timothy. Great idea with small size to add each District. My thoughts are that R & S and WWII, based on our logic that we ignored a lot, is not a type but like you said is a must for historical collection.
I’m really happy with this discussion. It’s surprising how challenging it is to outline something like a type set. I’m impressed how well you condensed our panel into the typical timeframe!
Thank you Tyler - it’s great having g you part of the panel. You add a lot to the discussion and this topic, which was your idea, shows that. Appreciate you!
I’m going to get some hate but I just want to clarify something… Moving the date on a coin is not a type. “Type” coins are major design changes. For example, adding a motto, modifying the devices, adding legends, changing the reeded edge and/or changing the alloy. The walking liberty half dollar 1917 is a great example of what is NOT a type. The mint mark is found on the obverse of some and on the reverse of others. Nevertheless, they are NOT considered type 1 or type 2. Sorry my friend just had to clarify this point. Also, I’m in the camp of a major design change on the reverse of a note is it’s own type. Great video, interesting discussion and awesome list worthy of any collector wanting to hold American history in their hands.
Well, to start off I already hate you! And not being a coin guy...I don't care! Just kidding good information Dean and thanks for clarifying. I need to stop doing anything with coins.
@ nah you don’t need to stop with coins. I think it’s fun and adds to the conversation. Like I said great video leading to awesome discussion on a very cool topic. Like we’ve talked before there is too much emphasis on coins in “numismatics”. Keep the awesome content coming my friend! Thank you.
I love these roundtables.Thats what's great,you can choose any type set you want.One thing about Nationals,it could be a separate thing, because they weren't printed by the BEP.Ontario touched on something about the Morgan backs, although it was 6 years ago,I watched Joel R Anderson's auction and he had notes that there were only 1 known.Take the Grand Watermelon,most expensive note, but there are 7 known.Great job guys, Happy Halloween 🎃
I like your point on the Nationals, I am not a big fan of them and I'm trying to complete the large size notes type sets from 1862 on, but Im just not interested in the National notes as part of my collection.
Great discussion. However, I would have appreciated specimens of the actual grade. I understand putting up a good example to view. But seeing an actual VG8 would provide people with an idea of the condition of Vg 8. Thanks for producing the video
Thanks for the comment. Good idea! Check out the document now - far right column I added links with grades. Best I can do for now. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19COqcEqfuOc3uQI37cc2PdjqByRpmSKrxOk2qQDXkNs/edit?gid=1480971358#gid=1480971358
Wonderful discussion. Maybe in hindsight , you could have Basic collection, then Expanded collection. In other words, shoot for the basic collection first, then work on the expanded collection if you can afford it.
@@PolarCurrency Overall, very strong show, no safety/security issues, good attendance. Markedly more bullion buyers/sellers. I picked up an 1854 $3 gold piece to finish my gold type set. Still looking for the Hawaiian $5, $10, and $20 in MS64.
Absolutely fantastic discussion. And Dan, I think I speak for many collectors (I don't even collect American notes!) when I say your spreadsheet is a fascinating tool for collectors - really beautifully done too, for those who can only *_look at_* a pretty banknote! Good job, comrade!
46yrs old. Never even *heard* of a "Morgan back" paper currency note until watching this video. Never too old to learn new things. There is only 1 graded example on Ebay under 2k and it's in terrible condition. Certainly an incredibly pricey collectible item. I would venture to guess that even among half knowledgeable coin collectors that don't collect paper currency, at least 75% to 90% have never heard of a "Morgan back" note. But once learning of it, 99% would love to have one in their collection.
Thanks champstarr - and yeah the Morgan Back is one of the coolest banknotes out there and can be spendy. But eBay is by far not the cheapest place to purchase. Heritage has sold about 10 Graded F12/15 notes this year for less than $1,500 and have pretty good eye appeal. That's even with the "premium" fee. Don't know why but once prices get up there with eBay they get overpriced and your much better off on Heritage, a Coin Show or your LCS. Is that true with coins that get up to $1,000?
Hallo Dan!! Finally watched the whole video!!! Just great information right there!! Also thank you for putting this file in the video description!! It will help some people a lot!!!!
@PolarCurrency Thanks for replying. I'll be starting my own currency videos soon. It will be MrT currency. I've been watching your videos since day 1.....they are awesome!!!
Wow great show love seeing all those notes. Still trying to get all the notes but just been working on the large note only. 😯AND MY MORGAN DOLLARS 🤣🤣🤣Thank you guys for work with Dan.
Another great round table. I am always impressed with the level of quality and dedication put into each Polar Currency video. The Round Table 11 background is the 1918 $1??? 😜 You have basically made this a game to identify each background as the come out.😃
Thanks for the kind words - just lucky to be able to be a part of the Roundtable and have the support. And you are correct! Of course with a little PhotoShop help! Love it that you notice!
Happy Halloween 🎃 All valid points on what constitutes type. Speaking for myself, for large size, the $1s and $2s are most attainable for me, so I would be happy with any example of most notes, but if the opportunity was there, would definitely get both Martha backs, get the brown back, and the 3 other backs. For the $5s and higher, would try to get any named note checked off at one a year, but if varieties exist, would have to settle for the replicas.
What you described is exactly what I'm trying to do as a Type collector. But will be lucky to get more than a handful of $20 and large denominations. But am working on the $5s!
For large seal vs rarer color variation seal vs ornate back etc, if u are on budget, most of us probably will pick the cheaper alternative 👍 I look for the cheapest note in best condition possible.
Great idea making this for all the notes. I made my own for a few denominations of the small size notes and ticked the boxes as I got them. I can't even imagine doing so for the large size notes, though, as I would want better than the grade 8 and I'd need another lifetime to save... or the lottery. But I'm having fun, and that's what matters. Thanks for video and great conversation about some of the varying insights!
Yes I do and I use Google Sheets - used to use Exel but always worried about loosing it, etc. Many ways to do it but I just use columns with categories of denomination, series/date, serial #, Catalog #, condition, est. value, what I paid, purchase date, miscl.notes, and where I store/keep the note. I separate tabs by large, small, obsolete, world, Canada, Mexico etc. It takes some time to start it but worth it and easy once you have your notes "registered"/
For me no real reason except I started with Paper Money of the United States. I have both, and get updated editions for both. And they are by the same authors with very similar information.
I still wish you all would include fractionals as they are very affordable in high grades and easy to complete sets on. I see there was a tab on the sheet, but the story behind fractional currency and why you have to be dead to be on money should be included in this as they are extremely affordable pieces of history.
One of my favorite episodes so far! We all appreciate the hard work and dedication it took all you guy to create this list! I checked out the small size note section and I have about 90% of the notes so now I get to re-organize them to be a type set which is always a fun time!
Thanks HY! organize away!
Really enjoyed being a part of this discussion. It helped me clarify a few things in my mind and I hope it will help other collectors too.
Ontario thank you for all the work and help you put into this. Fun having the before small group meetings.
The Currency Table is a work of art, such great information for us collectors! Thank you so much!
Thanks for the kind words and appreciate the support.
Great video and great discussion, as always. I always learn something and it gives me ideas on how to grow my collection. Thank you all for doing this.
Thanks for watching and the support Jeff!
You outdid yourself again, Dan. Hopefully this gives collectors a little guidance. Great job!
Thanks Stu! You guys provide the information I just put pictures up!
That may have been your best round table ever. Keep up the good work and please do another one soon!
Thank you sir! This one took a few meetings before hand with a "small group" but fun!
Great list and visuals to go along with the conversation! That made it easy to track. I agree that everyone's priorities and interests are going to be different. I think of my own collection, there are some series where I'm happy to just have one coin from that series, and don't feel the need (at the moment) to collect one from each year. Then there are other series that I not only want one from each year, and/or mint mark, but I want as many of the varieties within the series as possible. So it was interesting to see what you all drew the line at when it came to minor/major differences between notes.
Cool that you collect both ways. It's strange from the currency side to see coin collectors need every year/mint mark but when they start collecting currency it's nope, just need one example. Thanks Joe!
@PolarCurrency If I were collecting all the currency you showed in the video, I would definitely be the guy that would want 1 of each "noticeable" design change, like vignette differences. Although honestly, I wouldn't care to collect different years or series (the letters before the numbers?), I would just want 1 of everyone different design.
Great discussion and excellent spreadsheet! Will be saving and referring back to it - super helpful reference!
Thanks for watching and the kind words!
Great discussion. Thanks for the spreadsheet too!
Thanks Emanuel and you are welcome. Maybe I need to do a large size Canadian list?
Good to see the round table back!
I know - it's been a while - too much things going on.
Long amazing video Boyz
Thanks!
Dan, great video. This is a particularly tough task to tackle, pretty impressive that the group got through all of it. It’s VERY tough to keep consistent through all the currency variations. The discussion really served to show me how inconsistent I have been in my own type set! Seems like the same areas generate all the inconsistencies. The great thing about type sets, is that each collector can personalize their own lists based on budgets and areas of interest. For me, I’m deeper into Nationals, and my type set will, eventually, cover all 11 types.
I think the answer, especially for Type collectors is to be consistently inconsistent - especially when there's a budget. And there's always a budget. Thank you sir!
As for small sized notes, I consider them so much more attainable and affordable, especially for the small denominations. As for the WWII and Experimental notes, they stand apart from the regular issues of currency, but really should be collected for their stories and historical values. With the R and S, I feel like if you opt out or opt in, it has to be both. My small sized collection does have an example of each type of District seal, and I feel like do that if you wish, but not needed for just a type set.
Great points Timothy. Great idea with small size to add each District. My thoughts are that R & S and WWII, based on our logic that we ignored a lot, is not a type but like you said is a must for historical collection.
I’m really happy with this discussion. It’s surprising how challenging it is to outline something like a type set. I’m impressed how well you condensed our panel into the typical timeframe!
Thank you Tyler - it’s great having g you part of the panel. You add a lot to the discussion and this topic, which was your idea, shows that. Appreciate you!
Awesome Video. Thanks for the spreadsheet
Thank you RNR!
I’m going to get some hate but I just want to clarify something…
Moving the date on a coin is not a type. “Type” coins are major design changes. For example, adding a motto, modifying the devices, adding legends, changing the reeded edge and/or changing the alloy.
The walking liberty half dollar 1917 is a great example of what is NOT a type. The mint mark is found on the obverse of some and on the reverse of others. Nevertheless, they are NOT considered type 1 or type 2. Sorry my friend just had to clarify this point.
Also, I’m in the camp of a major design change on the reverse of a note is it’s own type.
Great video, interesting discussion and awesome list worthy of any collector wanting to hold American history in their hands.
Well, to start off I already hate you! And not being a coin guy...I don't care! Just kidding good information Dean and thanks for clarifying. I need to stop doing anything with coins.
@ nah you don’t need to stop with coins. I think it’s fun and adds to the conversation. Like I said great video leading to awesome discussion on a very cool topic. Like we’ve talked before there is too much emphasis on coins in “numismatics”. Keep the awesome content coming my friend! Thank you.
I love these roundtables.Thats what's great,you can choose any type set you want.One thing about Nationals,it could be a separate thing, because they weren't printed by the BEP.Ontario touched on something about the Morgan backs, although it was 6 years ago,I watched Joel R Anderson's auction and he had notes that there were only 1 known.Take the Grand Watermelon,most expensive note, but there are 7 known.Great job guys, Happy Halloween 🎃
Thank you! And great point on Nationals. They are such a big category and complicated.
I like your point on the Nationals, I am not a big fan of them and I'm trying to complete the large size notes type sets from 1862 on, but Im just not interested in the National notes as part of my collection.
Great discussion. There are so many options out there in a low grade that would make a great addition to anyone's collection.
Thanks Gunny and just remember...most likely I'm your bet low grade option!
@PolarCurrency are you saying you're cheap?
@@gunnysquarterdeck8550 Yes, yes I am.
@@PolarCurrency and we love ya for it.
Very informative, thanks!
Appreciate it and thank you.
Difficult topic to address, I appreciate how it was presented.
Thanks GenX - every time we got consistent we through it out the window!
Awesome, awesome, talk! Would love to see a multi-parter on the 100 Greatest ATTAINABLE Notes!
That topic went on the list! That will mix large and small size and I would want to bring the price point down.
this was some hard work you guys did, thanks for doing that !
Appreciate that and thanks for the support.
Great discussion. However, I would have appreciated specimens of the actual grade. I understand putting up a good example to view. But seeing an actual VG8 would provide people with an idea of the condition of Vg 8. Thanks for producing the video
Thanks for the comment. Good idea! Check out the document now - far right column I added links with grades. Best I can do for now.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19COqcEqfuOc3uQI37cc2PdjqByRpmSKrxOk2qQDXkNs/edit?gid=1480971358#gid=1480971358
Wonderful discussion. Maybe in hindsight , you could have Basic collection, then Expanded collection.
In other words, shoot for the basic collection first, then work on the expanded collection if you can afford it.
Thanks Mark - great hindsight going forward! There is always another episode and we can refine and divide into multiple tabs on the doc!
I saw on your "- Small Size " currency for the 2004A $10 the s.n.# is all 2s and all the others are generic #000000000 (I thank). Is that yours? 😊
Next is a basic confederate note collection 😊
There's a confederate note book that list twenty four notes. But I do not have a copy.
Good stuff!
Thanks Shawn - was sorry to miss the show last month. Was out of town with the family. How did it go?
@@PolarCurrency Overall, very strong show, no safety/security issues, good attendance. Markedly more bullion buyers/sellers. I picked up an 1854 $3 gold piece to finish my gold type set. Still looking for the Hawaiian $5, $10, and $20 in MS64.
Absolutely fantastic discussion. And Dan, I think I speak for many collectors (I don't even collect American notes!) when I say your spreadsheet is a fascinating tool for collectors - really beautifully done too, for those who can only *_look at_* a pretty banknote! Good job, comrade!
Thanks for the kind words and it was really fun to put together!
46yrs old. Never even *heard* of a "Morgan back" paper currency note until watching this video. Never too old to learn new things. There is only 1 graded example on Ebay under 2k and it's in terrible condition. Certainly an incredibly pricey collectible item. I would venture to guess that even among half knowledgeable coin collectors that don't collect paper currency, at least 75% to 90% have never heard of a "Morgan back" note. But once learning of it, 99% would love to have one in their collection.
Morgan Backs are awesome! Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks champstarr - and yeah the Morgan Back is one of the coolest banknotes out there and can be spendy. But eBay is by far not the cheapest place to purchase. Heritage has sold about 10 Graded F12/15 notes this year for less than $1,500 and have pretty good eye appeal. That's even with the "premium" fee. Don't know why but once prices get up there with eBay they get overpriced and your much better off on Heritage, a Coin Show or your LCS. Is that true with coins that get up to $1,000?
Hallo Dan!! Finally watched the whole video!!! Just great information right there!! Also thank you for putting this file in the video description!! It will help some people a lot!!!!
Thanks Roman - hope all is well!
The 1891 $2 figure has a grandson who played the opposing lawyer on To Kill A Mockingbird opposite Gregory Peck
That is awesome trivia - William Windom who is from my home state. I did a video on just that note!
@PolarCurrency Thanks for replying. I'll be starting my own currency videos soon. It will be MrT currency. I've been watching your videos since day 1.....they are awesome!!!
@@tonyfoster950 MrT! Fantastic - there needs to be more currency channels out there. Keep me posted please.
@@PolarCurrency I will
Wow great show love seeing all those notes. Still trying to get all the notes but just been working on the large note only. 😯AND MY MORGAN DOLLARS 🤣🤣🤣Thank you guys for work with Dan.
Thanks BA! Had to give some eye candy for you Morgan lovers!
Another great round table. I am always impressed with the level of quality and dedication put into each Polar Currency video.
The Round Table 11 background is the 1918 $1??? 😜 You have basically made this a game to identify each background as the come out.😃
Thanks for the kind words - just lucky to be able to be a part of the Roundtable and have the support. And you are correct! Of course with a little PhotoShop help! Love it that you notice!
Happy Halloween 🎃
All valid points on what constitutes type. Speaking for myself, for large size, the $1s and $2s are most attainable for me, so I would be happy with any example of most notes, but if the opportunity was there, would definitely get both Martha backs, get the brown back, and the 3 other backs. For the $5s and higher, would try to get any named note checked off at one a year, but if varieties exist, would have to settle for the replicas.
What you described is exactly what I'm trying to do as a Type collector. But will be lucky to get more than a handful of $20 and large denominations. But am working on the $5s!
For large seal vs rarer color variation seal vs ornate back etc, if u are on budget, most of us probably will pick the cheaper alternative 👍 I look for the cheapest note in best condition possible.
I am with you! So many more options and variations to consider than coins - but fun to look!
Great idea making this for all the notes. I made my own for a few denominations of the small size notes and ticked the boxes as I got them. I can't even imagine doing so for the large size notes, though, as I would want better than the grade 8 and I'd need another lifetime to save... or the lottery. But I'm having fun, and that's what matters. Thanks for video and great conversation about some of the varying insights!
Thanks and understand completely! Time and budget - two things that get in everyone's way no matter how much money you have!
Are you able to let us make a copy of the Google sheet?
I changed the permissions - you should have the ability to Print now. Be aware document is not designed to print so it may be kind of wacky.
Great Roundtable! Polar, do you catalog your collection? I am assuming it’s going to be a yes and the follow-up question would be how?
Yes I do and I use Google Sheets - used to use Exel but always worried about loosing it, etc. Many ways to do it but I just use columns with categories of denomination, series/date, serial #, Catalog #, condition, est. value, what I paid, purchase date, miscl.notes, and where I store/keep the note. I separate tabs by large, small, obsolete, world, Canada, Mexico etc. It takes some time to start it but worth it and easy once you have your notes "registered"/
@ Thank you, sir! A buddy that I go to coin shows with suggested excel but I like how you set your list up.
i had a one dollar rainbow note from 1845 but i sold it about 12 years ago for a 100 bucks it was was used but still in good shape!
Nice note - worth a bit more today!
Love these videos! Why do you prefer that book over the Red Book Guide Book of United States Paper Money 8th Edition?
For me no real reason except I started with Paper Money of the United States. I have both, and get updated editions for both. And they are by the same authors with very similar information.
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I still wish you all would include fractionals as they are very affordable in high grades and easy to complete sets on. I see there was a tab on the sheet, but the story behind fractional currency and why you have to be dead to be on money should be included in this as they are extremely affordable pieces of history.
I promise that it is coming - either Currency Roundtable or Talking Money
Could collect by date...........
That could be an answer!