This is the most informative and empirically grounded video on the serve to have been posted on TH-cam , and I have watched a lot of TH-cam content on the serve.
I am glad I found this video. I woke up this morning thinking about my one handed backhand and how my shoulders are probably opening up too early. Im going. To try this for my own strokes but will probably use a 360 camera (which has so-mo-mode) on a long pole and the help of a kid, instead of a drone. Thanks for helping pioneering this type of analysis, it’s the first of this type I’ve ever seen.
I was eagerly awaiting this one. Am currently midway through your free course on swinging and pronation. This drone top view shows the pronation swing path so well. As per the other drone videos the visual on the body rotation is amazing. Overlays are super instructive. Also a nice angle for seeing the ball toss relative to the body. Thanks!
Love the innovation and quality of these top down. One of the things they serve (pun!) very well is showing the use of the body’s torque and necessary movement. I feel this applies to all the techniques, not just serve. Moving the hips and shoulders from the feet in forehand, the coil for fore and backhand, the circular movement of the tennis.
really like how your thought process is... simple and "no big differences" between the serves - I find over interpreting motions can be really misleading
Tomaz, these top-down views in slow motion continue to be fantastic. It reminds me of the work that Vic Braden did many years ago with some of his top-down views. With the serve, I feel it reveals so much of the knee, hip and shoulder rotations before, during and after contact. Keep it up, thank you coach!
Thanks! Yes, I also think this perspective on stroke technique is very interesting but so far TH-cam algorithm doesn't think so as all these videos are getting less than average nr. of views and exposure. ;(
I am so grateful you made this video after I asked for it a while ago. Very interesting and well explained as usual. Thanks again, looking forward to the next one!
wonderful video, very much to the point (love it - not so much "noise" as on other channels), which helps a lot to focus on the main characteristics. Just discovered the Feel Tennis Channel and I love it. Liked the video & subscribed to the channel 🙂 Thank you for this info sharing & amazing footages!
I have a tennis buddy who has a habit of sliding his left foot over the line (just like in the video) and foot faulting every time he serves. He has been foot faulting for over 30 years. We all gave the guy a break and not saying anything.😁
What you said about racquet acceleration through fast body rotation explains why I feel I hit much better when I'm not focused on "throwing" harder with my arm, but more focused on how much body rotates. I hesitate to even call it "focusing" on rotation...all I do is look for the ball to reach its apex->explode and try to land hard on my left foot. naturally this makes me uncoil fast. when I don't hear a good, loud foot plant, I know my trunk rotation was slow (maybe easier to hear on a hard court). By putting an emphasis on uncoiling fast and explosive, I find my arm can be more so used for guiding the racquet to make good contact, rather than providing (often uncontrollable) power. these are just the cues that work for me. I don't expect them to work for everyone, but the end result is the same: we just want to achieve high rotational acceleration. one thing I still struggle with is pronating fast enough. Often I hit a slice on accident because my racquet is not yet flat on the ball. your tip about wrist snap being a myth has helped me tremendously with this though
Yes, power must come from core muscles and leg / hip drive as they are the main engine to uncoil the trunk. So see if you can focus on the core and turning your upper body fast, like the "russian twist" exercise in fitness if you know what I mean. th-cam.com/users/shorts2KKNrUUwOw8 Pronation needs to be practiced to hit the ball exactly flat. There is no instruction "in English" ;) that will help you achieve that, only pronation drills. You will find plenty inside the free serve challenge...
This is a great video, So interesting seeing the footage from above comparing the three different types of serves also enjoy the slow motion that was really good. Yes I did Like video and yes I am a subscriber. Keep the videos coming !!!! RDG
Wow, amazing footage and comparison. I would have imagined the topspin serve to be a bit more different to the flat serve with the body staying more sideways
They were both hit down the T to the deuce side. When I teach the players to hit kick serves, then I want them to exaggerate the longer sideways position but once it comes to "real" serving, there is a just a split second longer delay in sideways position. Some drills for kick serves and practicing staying sideways are here: th-cam.com/video/CQ-Bbj_Hpnc/w-d-xo.html
Interesting, congrats for your work. Just, I'd say you start to pronate a bit early, what do you think ? In my mind, most of the time, the racket is on the edge until the arm is straight and vertical, then fast pronation.
Thanks! I doubt I pronate early, it's just 0.06 seconds before contact. I don't have any pro footage to compare though but 95% of rec players serve with waiter's tray so they are still way off from this type of serve.
Hello Tomaz! Another great video 😃 One thing I feel is that when I do as much body rotation as you do, I feel I lose control of my serve placement, so I kind of just stay a bit more static... something to work on definitely!
Yes, more body rotation affects the precision but not so much if you rotate slower! You need to allow your body to fully coil so that the energy is really stored well in the body. Then you can uncoil and release it. That develops good technique and biomechanics, precision comes later... Again, the key is to uncoil slower and not attempt to hit at full power but to hit with moderate power and not super accurately. After that comes long term practice where you gradually work on increasing power and looking to hit more accurately. No shortcuts there...
I think u r awesome! and of course ur coaching is the best on the tube. However if i was to coach ur serve technique, I would suggest u stop moving ur left foot. It is causing u to foot fault. I guess u r not perfect, But in my eyes u r my favorite Coach! Thanx for all u do!!!
I never made a foot fault playing matches. Every pro constantly makes foot faults as they warm up their serve. I am simply demonstrating the serve in terms of technique therefore a foot fault does not matter. I am not playing a point. Here is Federer constantly foot faulting when warming up: th-cam.com/video/W6dNCMhhhDU/w-d-xo.html
Hey, great video. I have only one quick question - shouldn't the body be more sideways, than the flat, for better topspin serve. My coach always says to not open the body too soon for the topspin serve, so that's why I was wondering.
When you master the topspin / kick serve you only need a slightly longer delay staying more sideways to hit the ball with clean topspin. But in the learning stage you should definitely exaggerate staying more sideways and longer in order to break the habit of turning forward too quickly as most players are used to from their flat serve techniques.
Great video, Tomaz! One of your best! Top views are rare, so thanks for this! The first thing I notice is that the center hash mark is obscured. It LL you are hitting in the ad court. It would be interesting to compare, side-by-side, a deuce court 1st serve with one in the ad court. The 1st thing that stands out to me is how far to the left your toss goes. It is to the left of your front foot and roughly even with the heel of your right foot. Tossing too far right is a ubiquitous problem with rec players, imo. Second, I was a little surprised to see how far your racket head goes to the left of your head, pointed toward the net, as you enter the racket drop position. I think most rec players keep the racket to the right of the head and pointed to the left side fence. Much of this is probably due to less shoulder rotation in rec players. I'll probably have more comments later on the slice serve.
Thanks for sharing, more videos like this coming up. What you will also see is that the differences in serves whether serving to ad or deuce are minimal in terms of technique or swing path. In other words, there is nothing conscious one needs to do, you simply aim and allow your body and feet subconsciously make small adjustments necessary for that direction or type of the serve.
I see the toss inside the court where mine is in line with the baseline. I’m interested that the contact is between your head and shoulder where I toss further to the right. I see the synchronized arm movement where the toss arm goes down as the racket arm comes up like a cartwheel. I’m sure I will see a lot more when you do the review👍
You can support my work, click the Join button under any of my videos to see available options, and then I can afford to buy a more expensive drone that records with 120 frames per second.
Hello Thomas how can I watch “ only members “ videos on youtube channelon my tv. I joined your channel but they did not open ? Could you help me please. I want to see all your special member videos. I think ı have to go your site and buy courses ? But allso I want to watch strategy videos and I am not using computer , only phone and tv. I need your help please
Hi, look for a Join button under any of my videos and watch the intro video. You do not need to go to my website to register, this is all under TH-cam. You register and watch videos on TH-cam. Member videos are available for Tier 2 and Tier 3 members. If you do not see a Join button, you are on mobile. Open TH-cam on desktop / laptop and be signed into your Google account, then you should see Subscribe and Join buttons under my videos.
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that the top view really makes you notice those foot faults 😅, just kidding, very nice views, very helpful
This is the most informative and empirically grounded video on the serve to have been posted on TH-cam , and I have watched a lot of TH-cam content on the serve.
I am glad I found this video. I woke up this morning thinking about my one handed backhand and how my shoulders are probably opening up too early. Im going. To try this for my own strokes but will probably use a 360 camera (which has so-mo-mode) on a long pole and the help of a kid, instead of a drone. Thanks for helping pioneering this type of analysis, it’s the first of this type I’ve ever seen.
I was eagerly awaiting this one. Am currently midway through your free course on swinging and pronation. This drone top view shows the pronation swing path so well. As per the other drone videos the visual on the body rotation is amazing. Overlays are super instructive. Also a nice angle for seeing the ball toss relative to the body. Thanks!
This helped me so much. Thank you
it is technical and creative to add the top view. Great job!
Love the innovation and quality of these top down. One of the things they serve (pun!) very well is showing the use of the body’s torque and necessary movement. I feel this applies to all the techniques, not just serve. Moving the hips and shoulders from the feet in forehand, the coil for fore and backhand, the circular movement of the tennis.
Couldn't agree more!
I love how you communicate the lessons and your vision about tennis. Great work
Great video. Very informative. Aligns perfectly with how I feel every type of serve, but helps visualize them with clarity. Well done! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
really like how your thought process is... simple and "no big differences" between the serves - I find over interpreting motions can be really misleading
Tomas is the most professional tennis couch in YT.
Tomaz, these top-down views in slow motion continue to be fantastic. It reminds me of the work that Vic Braden did many years ago with some of his top-down views. With the serve, I feel it reveals so much of the knee, hip and shoulder rotations before, during and after contact. Keep it up, thank you coach!
Thanks! Yes, I also think this perspective on stroke technique is very interesting but so far TH-cam algorithm doesn't think so as all these videos are getting less than average nr. of views and exposure. ;(
Tomas, this is amazing!! 🤯🤯Thank you so much for sharing that!!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the feedback!
Ten top view really shows the different placement of the toss especcially the over lay view.
This is useful, particularly the overlay view, thanks.
I am so grateful you made this video after I asked for it a while ago. Very interesting and well explained as usual. Thanks again, looking forward to the next one!
Glad it was helpful!
wonderful video, very much to the point (love it - not so much "noise" as on other channels), which helps a lot to focus on the main characteristics. Just discovered the Feel Tennis Channel and I love it. Liked the video & subscribed to the channel 🙂 Thank you for this info sharing & amazing footages!
And thank you for the kind feedback and the support!
Excellent videography! Great technique analysis. Top notch instructions. 👏👍
Hi Tom, you are the best coach & you teach step by step also I gave up watching any other coaching.
Thx
Prince
I appreciate that!
Brilliant video ...Thank You
Very nice video!
I watched many tennis coaches online and the best is Tomaz
Thank you very much!
I have a tennis buddy who has a habit of sliding his left foot over the line (just like in the video) and foot faulting every time he serves. He has been foot faulting for over 30 years. We all gave the guy a break and not saying anything.😁
What you said about racquet acceleration through fast body rotation explains why I feel I hit much better when I'm not focused on "throwing" harder with my arm, but more focused on how much body rotates. I hesitate to even call it "focusing" on rotation...all I do is look for the ball to reach its apex->explode and try to land hard on my left foot. naturally this makes me uncoil fast. when I don't hear a good, loud foot plant, I know my trunk rotation was slow (maybe easier to hear on a hard court).
By putting an emphasis on uncoiling fast and explosive, I find my arm can be more so used for guiding the racquet to make good contact, rather than providing (often uncontrollable) power.
these are just the cues that work for me. I don't expect them to work for everyone, but the end result is the same: we just want to achieve high rotational acceleration.
one thing I still struggle with is pronating fast enough. Often I hit a slice on accident because my racquet is not yet flat on the ball. your tip about wrist snap being a myth has helped me tremendously with this though
Yes, power must come from core muscles and leg / hip drive as they are the main engine to uncoil the trunk. So see if you can focus on the core and turning your upper body fast, like the "russian twist" exercise in fitness if you know what I mean. th-cam.com/users/shorts2KKNrUUwOw8
Pronation needs to be practiced to hit the ball exactly flat. There is no instruction "in English" ;) that will help you achieve that, only pronation drills. You will find plenty inside the free serve challenge...
This is a great video, So interesting seeing the footage from above comparing the three different types of serves also enjoy the slow motion that was really good.
Yes I did Like video and yes I am a subscriber.
Keep the videos coming !!!!
RDG
Much appreciated!
Gold record👁️🙌✨👏🏽👏🏼
Wow, amazing footage and comparison. I would have imagined the topspin serve to be a bit more different to the flat serve with the body staying more sideways
They were both hit down the T to the deuce side. When I teach the players to hit kick serves, then I want them to exaggerate the longer sideways position but once it comes to "real" serving, there is a just a split second longer delay in sideways position. Some drills for kick serves and practicing staying sideways are here: th-cam.com/video/CQ-Bbj_Hpnc/w-d-xo.html
Interesting, congrats for your work. Just, I'd say you start to pronate a bit early, what do you think ? In my mind, most of the time, the racket is on the edge until the arm is straight and vertical, then fast pronation.
Thanks! I doubt I pronate early, it's just 0.06 seconds before contact. I don't have any pro footage to compare though but 95% of rec players serve with waiter's tray so they are still way off from this type of serve.
Hello Tomaz! Another great video 😃 One thing I feel is that when I do as much body rotation as you do, I feel I lose control of my serve placement, so I kind of just stay a bit more static... something to work on definitely!
Yes, more body rotation affects the precision but not so much if you rotate slower! You need to allow your body to fully coil so that the energy is really stored well in the body. Then you can uncoil and release it. That develops good technique and biomechanics, precision comes later... Again, the key is to uncoil slower and not attempt to hit at full power but to hit with moderate power and not super accurately. After that comes long term practice where you gradually work on increasing power and looking to hit more accurately. No shortcuts there...
I think u r awesome! and of course ur coaching is the best on the tube. However if i was to coach ur serve technique, I would suggest u stop moving ur left foot. It is causing u to foot fault. I guess u r not perfect, But in my eyes u r my favorite Coach! Thanx for all u do!!!
I never made a foot fault playing matches. Every pro constantly makes foot faults as they warm up their serve. I am simply demonstrating the serve in terms of technique therefore a foot fault does not matter. I am not playing a point. Here is Federer constantly foot faulting when warming up: th-cam.com/video/W6dNCMhhhDU/w-d-xo.html
Hey, great video. I have only one quick question - shouldn't the body be more sideways, than the flat, for better topspin serve. My coach always says to not open the body too soon for the topspin serve, so that's why I was wondering.
When you master the topspin / kick serve you only need a slightly longer delay staying more sideways to hit the ball with clean topspin. But in the learning stage you should definitely exaggerate staying more sideways and longer in order to break the habit of turning forward too quickly as most players are used to from their flat serve techniques.
@@feeltennis Thank you for the fast reply, makes q lot of sense :)
Great video, Tomaz! One of your best! Top views are rare, so thanks for this! The first thing I notice is that the center hash mark is obscured. It LL you are hitting in the ad court. It would be interesting to compare, side-by-side, a deuce court 1st serve with one in the ad court. The 1st thing that stands out to me is how far to the left your toss goes. It is to the left of your front foot and roughly even with the heel of your right foot. Tossing too far right is a ubiquitous problem with rec players, imo. Second, I was a little surprised to see how far your racket head goes to the left of your head, pointed toward the net, as you enter the racket drop position. I think most rec players keep the racket to the right of the head and pointed to the left side fence. Much of this is probably due to less shoulder rotation in rec players. I'll probably have more comments later on the slice serve.
Thanks for sharing, more videos like this coming up. What you will also see is that the differences in serves whether serving to ad or deuce are minimal in terms of technique or swing path. In other words, there is nothing conscious one needs to do, you simply aim and allow your body and feet subconsciously make small adjustments necessary for that direction or type of the serve.
I see the toss inside the court where mine is in line with the baseline. I’m interested that the contact is between your head and shoulder where I toss further to the right. I see the synchronized arm movement where the toss arm goes down as the racket arm comes up like a cartwheel. I’m sure I will see a lot more when you do the review👍
Good points, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the video. But I think, you need a highspeed camera
What drone do you use? Great video!
The DJI Mini 3 Pro
@@feeltennisI have the same drone. But my serve sucks. My drone must be defective.
@dmitryprivate6558 Join the free serve challenge, it will build 80% of the complete serve technique just by doing the drills I demonstrate.
For better slowmo it's better to use more fps because between frames a lot of movement is lost
You can support my work, click the Join button under any of my videos to see available options, and then I can afford to buy a more expensive drone that records with 120 frames per second.
Hello Thomas how can I watch “ only members “
videos on youtube channelon my tv. I joined your channel but they did not open ? Could you help me please. I want to see all your special member videos. I think ı have to go your site and buy courses ? But allso I want to watch strategy videos and I am not using computer , only phone and tv. I need your help please
Hi, look for a Join button under any of my videos and watch the intro video. You do not need to go to my website to register, this is all under TH-cam. You register and watch videos on TH-cam. Member videos are available for Tier 2 and Tier 3 members. If you do not see a Join button, you are on mobile. Open TH-cam on desktop / laptop and be signed into your Google account, then you should see Subscribe and Join buttons under my videos.
@@feeltennis ı did it but still can not see the member videos
I can only use emojiss 0:00
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use your abs and shoulder...dont rely too much on your wrist
Why I can not watch the member videos ı joined 🥲