and encourage all the post produced media companies to come back. enough with this paywalled bullshit to line people's pockets and kill the growth. sick of hearing about how that money is supposed to make a better product and its shit every time. shit quality and they refuse to ditch the awful commentators and keep the good ones. all around, disc golf is being stifled by the ones that say they're trying to grow it.
By not wanting pro players to play in other events that have media coverage means the PDGA is moving to control the likeness of pro players.... That's ridiculous
So if there is a tournament on the route that winning or top 3 would pay better over a mid-pack placement on tour stop, it means they are going to pass. Also, European stretch where they must come out of pocket since sponsors can't make that coverage happen means they are going to go with the best financial option.
At various points in the last two years I have thought that McBeth was trying to position for a Players Union with himself as first president. If there was ever a time for it, this is it
these are the kind of rules that eventually get you sued or a strike will happen. Then they start a new tour. What they should be doing is hiring sales people. Money talks. The players will play where they can make the most money. Pay the most commission and the best salesman will come and sell for them. Offer the best prize money, and the best players will play. Simple strategy.
The problem with the idea someone else will start a tour...is the money for it is coming from the middle east...I don't wanna end up like the PGA and and have LIV strongarm the sport. Last thing i want is another sport with pro events in dictatorships and monarchies like F1 bro.
LIV Golf comparison is kinda fair. EXCEPT it wouldn't take that much money to put together 5-6 tourneys with a great video crew on fabulous courses. Hell, McCease LLC could do it and steal half the field.
Also just the straight up money part...between the 2 of them they could put up 600k for 6 tournaments but have the fields limited to say, 40 mpo and 20 fpo, with 25k first place prizes. Then have contracts with the media companies to revenue share and also bring in their own sponsorships. Even if they only make back half of that 600k across 6 events, 150k tax deductible loss for both of them is relatively small beans.
@@goodnerarts1206 At least all the Discraft players have a roster about as big as Innova was in the 2010's the year before Paul McBeth left for Discraft and others joined either MVP with or the newly formed Infinite team with the mostly open bags using the few molds the brand has made by Innova.
It's not a rumor, there's definitely some pros that had issues getting payouts for the DGPT championship. There were many complaints in the DGPT players group on Facebook about this
So, PDGA wants to control the likeness of the players now? And they can't pay the players who they owe? That makes sense. So, time for a competing tour? Or, at a minimum, a boycott of the tour by way of just not buying a tour card. The DGPT is trying to monopolize disc golf, and rhisnisnthe culmination, and final iteration of #growthesport.
If I were to ever go for a tour card I wouldn’t be able to afford to fly to Europe for those events unless a sponsor paid for it (thy won’t happen). According to the new rule I have to PAY for my card and then I can’t play any tournaments that are in the country I live in because they aren’t paying for my travel to Europe? wtf is wrong with them. This is classic American capitalism. Ridiculous.
A flight to Europe is cheaper than the gas it takes to drive across the country… once you’re in Europe trains are very affordable and all the countries are connected by them… don’t give up on your dreams… make em happen
Not in the last 2 years no, there is no good reason for getting one now. Only players on the Tour will be wealthy athletic people who started playing in the teens and have a trust fund.
It sort of makes sense from a manufacturing standpoint to prevent chaos in the smaller disc golf companies not being able to sponsor but outside of that, nope.
Y'know, WWE does this performance restriction bullshit for their supposed "independent contractors," but at least the main roster pay is good. Wild to think that the DGPT is trying this when their pay is terrible. I'd say it's time to hand back control to the PDGA, but I don't think the fundie insurance salesman could do any better.
No Innova has never made the discs, the company has been separated from Innova since day one as the original owner is/was the old Disc Golf head of Millenium when company was founded same guy who now owns Evo Discs a company made for production of other brands right at the time a bunch of small molded brands funded a machine via either a Kickstarter type thing or an initial run of discs in the late 2010's early 2020's or bigger brands like Discmanina started making discs in house for before becoming a part of Hall of Discs as a company but still having molds made for them by the best Chinese company/in house. The problems arose when Prodigy in the 2010's after an original founding owner left for Evo discs to make mostly other peoples discs and whoever owned/ran the company moved a basic starter line either overseas the being Aisa, South America, or to Mexico then followed suit with the other plastics that need more watching in the company like the premium plastics.
If the DGPT did stop buying up tours or changing the rules so they can be a monopoly, we would not be in this mess. My thought is somebody is filming for another small tour that pros play in the off season as a hustle to make money or help the tour survive or possibly trying to prevent players from doing other stuff for a company that could be considered now illegal under the DGPT like the videos they do, thus more sponsors drop from the players and possibly the tour events to where it is like the early days of the DGPT it was MVP/Aixom, Prodigy, the New Dynamic Discs with the one event then the two big ones, Discraft, and Innova along with Infinite the largest seller of discs in the USA as the only sponsors on the Disc Golf Pro Tour with the rest on the PDGA NT. The problem is the DGPT is doing things to hamstring the sport even further, going on DGN not just a paywall/for creators to make a living but a place for only one niche sport that is still smaller then most others having been invented much later.
When they blew up the payouts 2 yrs ago, when there was nothing showing they should, who would have guessed it was all down hill from there? This guy knew. When you raise tickets to laughabe prices and see venues basically empty outside 3-4 events, doesnt take basic math to understand they in trouble.
2019 tour purse (all majors, pro tour stops, playoffs) was less than a million. It was over 3 million this year. I can't imagine there's been a 3x jump in profitability since then.
Pdga and pro tour is a total scam! Why does zero funds find it's way back to my region? They certainly collect from every player in every sanctioned event in my region!
the Pro Tour is slowly just killing itself off and making it unrelevant to the sport of disc golf.... no joke. the decisions that they keep making are running the Pro Tour into the ground.
Simon and Casey are a non-issue; just someone trying to stir a pot with nothing in it. Having said that, Simon is a very well-loved and top disc golfer who has been inconsistent since going to MVP.
@@cmlasley Simon has so much natural talent that he takes it for granted and tries things that are totally sketch all the time. He's gotten off the "Simon line" craziness of his youth (somewhat). If Simon plays lucky and conservative he does fine. If he isn't lucky and he tries to make up for it with impossible shots he fails miserably. I'm surprised he hasn't sussed this out yet... or if he has figured it out that he can't resist the lure of the impossibly miraculous shot. It's quite an adrenaline rush when it works.
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We need to start a new competing league. Partner with udisc and make a better product that is player focused
Absolutely I'm in
and encourage all the post produced media companies to come back. enough with this paywalled bullshit to line people's pockets and kill the growth. sick of hearing about how that money is supposed to make a better product and its shit every time. shit quality and they refuse to ditch the awful commentators and keep the good ones. all around, disc golf is being stifled by the ones that say they're trying to grow it.
In the past, let's say 3 years or so people have laughed at me and cussed me out less and less for this idea.
@@NJT1013 I have posted this similar comment at least once a week and slowly getting more support.
I’ve posted this idea too. It needs to happen.
By not wanting pro players to play in other events that have media coverage means the PDGA is moving to control the likeness of pro players.... That's ridiculous
The tour needs competent business management.
So, if a tour card holder can't afford the Euro swing, they're screwed?!? wth
It’s no secret the MPO is being screwed by the tour subsidizing the FPO.
Sounds like a new league is needed
So if there is a tournament on the route that winning or top 3 would pay better over a mid-pack placement on tour stop, it means they are going to pass. Also, European stretch where they must come out of pocket since sponsors can't make that coverage happen means they are going to go with the best financial option.
I’d be more than willing to support a second tour
Pro discgolf players need a player's union to push back against stuff like this.
At various points in the last two years I have thought that McBeth was trying to position for a Players Union with himself as first president. If there was ever a time for it, this is it
@@SirPumbaEsquire He'd be the perfect person to lead the effort!
@@nigelherbig3703 Pretty sure that ULI is the closest thing that they have to a rep, right now.
Great job, solid consistent coverage. Keep it up!
these are the kind of rules that eventually get you sued or a strike will happen. Then they start a new tour. What they should be doing is hiring sales people. Money talks. The players will play where they can make the most money. Pay the most commission and the best salesman will come and sell for them. Offer the best prize money, and the best players will play. Simple strategy.
Dgpt is making itself looking bad again and again.
The problem with the idea someone else will start a tour...is the money for it is coming from the middle east...I don't wanna end up like the PGA and and have LIV strongarm the sport. Last thing i want is another sport with pro events in dictatorships and monarchies like F1 bro.
agreed
LIV Golf comparison is kinda fair.
EXCEPT it wouldn't take that much money to put together 5-6 tourneys with a great video crew on fabulous courses.
Hell, McCease LLC could do it and steal half the field.
Damnit I just said McCease Tour Takeover coming... jokingly...buuuut. lol
Also just the straight up money part...between the 2 of them they could put up 600k for 6 tournaments but have the fields limited to say, 40 mpo and 20 fpo, with 25k first place prizes. Then have contracts with the media companies to revenue share and also bring in their own sponsorships. Even if they only make back half of that 600k across 6 events, 150k tax deductible loss for both of them is relatively small beans.
@@jddg13 But for real, who has more money? 😅
@@seanstreck3226 Exactly. How many pros would follow McBeth to a new league? I bet a bunch!
@@goodnerarts1206 At least all the Discraft players have a roster about as big as Innova was in the 2010's the year before Paul McBeth left for Discraft and others joined either MVP with or the newly formed Infinite team with the mostly open bags using the few molds the brand has made by Innova.
It's not a rumor, there's definitely some pros that had issues getting payouts for the DGPT championship. There were many complaints in the DGPT players group on Facebook about this
So, PDGA wants to control the likeness of the players now? And they can't pay the players who they owe? That makes sense. So, time for a competing tour? Or, at a minimum, a boycott of the tour by way of just not buying a tour card. The DGPT is trying to monopolize disc golf, and rhisnisnthe culmination, and final iteration of #growthesport.
Disc golf definitely changed after that covid money . Sad
the bubble is bursting. again.
If I were to ever go for a tour card I wouldn’t be able to afford to fly to Europe for those events unless a sponsor paid for it (thy won’t happen). According to the new rule I have to PAY for my card and then I can’t play any tournaments that are in the country I live in because they aren’t paying for my travel to Europe? wtf is wrong with them. This is classic American capitalism. Ridiculous.
Dude
A flight to Europe is cheaper than the gas it takes to drive across the country… once you’re in Europe trains are very affordable and all the countries are connected by them… don’t give up on your dreams… make em happen
The transparent tiles behind the Prodigy announcement had me dying 😂😂
Its just flaishng for the photo.
All I hear about the tour card is reasons not to get it. I have heard no actual benefits for getting one.
Not in the last 2 years no, there is no good reason for getting one now. Only players on the Tour will be wealthy athletic people who started playing in the teens and have a trust fund.
So no one buys a tour card. Problem solved.
The non-compete clause thing is probably because they saw Gibson's video th-cam.com/video/69sKyUTgDr4/w-d-xo.html
It sort of makes sense from a manufacturing standpoint to prevent chaos in the smaller disc golf companies not being able to sponsor but outside of that, nope.
Money Money Money it's all about the Money
Y'know, WWE does this performance restriction bullshit for their supposed "independent contractors," but at least the main roster pay is good. Wild to think that the DGPT is trying this when their pay is terrible. I'd say it's time to hand back control to the PDGA, but I don't think the fundie insurance salesman could do any better.
I was lucky enough to visit Åland this past august to play some disc golf. Epic disc golf Destin for sure. PS your pronunciation was off.
Prodigy’s QC issues may be addressed with the new made in the USA discs. I assume it is innova making those discs
No Innova has never made the discs, the company has been separated from Innova since day one as the original owner is/was the old Disc Golf head of Millenium when company was founded same guy who now owns Evo Discs a company made for production of other brands right at the time a bunch of small molded brands funded a machine via either a Kickstarter type thing or an initial run of discs in the late 2010's early 2020's or bigger brands like Discmanina started making discs in house for before becoming a part of Hall of Discs as a company but still having molds made for them by the best Chinese company/in house. The problems arose when Prodigy in the 2010's after an original founding owner left for Evo discs to make mostly other peoples discs and whoever owned/ran the company moved a basic starter line either overseas the being Aisa, South America, or to Mexico then followed suit with the other plastics that need more watching in the company like the premium plastics.
Train by day, disc golf world by night all day!
The “new” league could be the euro tour…
But I don’t see another tour in America, the DGPT doesn’t even make a profit
If the DGPT did stop buying up tours or changing the rules so they can be a monopoly, we would not be in this mess. My thought is somebody is filming for another small tour that pros play in the off season as a hustle to make money or help the tour survive or possibly trying to prevent players from doing other stuff for a company that could be considered now illegal under the DGPT like the videos they do, thus more sponsors drop from the players and possibly the tour events to where it is like the early days of the DGPT it was MVP/Aixom, Prodigy, the New Dynamic Discs with the one event then the two big ones, Discraft, and Innova along with Infinite the largest seller of discs in the USA as the only sponsors on the Disc Golf Pro Tour with the rest on the PDGA NT.
The problem is the DGPT is doing things to hamstring the sport even further, going on DGN not just a paywall/for creators to make a living but a place for only one niche sport that is still smaller then most others having been invented much later.
disc golf is dying quicker than expected
When they blew up the payouts 2 yrs ago, when there was nothing showing they should, who would have guessed it was all down hill from there? This guy knew. When you raise tickets to laughabe prices and see venues basically empty outside 3-4 events, doesnt take basic math to understand they in trouble.
2019 tour purse (all majors, pro tour stops, playoffs) was less than a million. It was over 3 million this year. I can't imagine there's been a 3x jump in profitability since then.
Pdga and pro tour is a total scam! Why does zero funds find it's way back to my region? They certainly collect from every player in every sanctioned event in my region!
Time for a Player's Union and a CBA...
So not only do they have to pay to compete but if they fail to play they are fined?!
You should be a pdga member already...cmon kid
Liv dg here we go
the Pro Tour is slowly just killing itself off and making it unrelevant to the sport of disc golf.... no joke. the decisions that they keep making are running the Pro Tour into the ground.
disc golf was good before the dgpt
Do the players have a union like other sports? If not they need to unionize ASAP!
Pass on the tour card. End of story.
players need to unionise
This move cannot be legal. Further evidence the DGPT is clueless. Talk about killing the sport. Wow
Simon and Casey are a non-issue; just someone trying to stir a pot with nothing in it. Having said that, Simon is a very well-loved and top disc golfer who has been inconsistent since going to MVP.
Love Simon. He was always inconsistent.
@@cmlasley
Simon has so much natural talent that he takes it for granted and tries things that are totally sketch all the time. He's gotten off the "Simon line" craziness of his youth (somewhat). If Simon plays lucky and conservative he does fine. If he isn't lucky and he tries to make up for it with impossible shots he fails miserably. I'm surprised he hasn't sussed this out yet... or if he has figured it out that he can't resist the lure of the impossibly miraculous shot. It's quite an adrenaline rush when it works.
I’m too high to know what this videos is about. I just like supporting the dawgs lol
Players Tour "MADE BY THE BEST PLAYED BY THE BEST." Could actually showcase some wild designed courses!
P.s. FREE AGENT AND READY TO KICKASS! 😂🤘🍀
So, I guess Paul McBeth won't be playing in Europe or Mexico this year.
Is Jeff Spring the Zelensky of the disc golf world?
First 🤙🏻
You are not helping professional disc golf. So what are you in this for?