Found you channel yesterday, loving it so far. But yes build a canoe or for a challenge an coracle, though you might have to come to the uk to learn how to build and use one, I can guarantee you will spend most of your time in the water
for the bending one, steam works way better and less of the wood gets wet. you can use any old cheap steam cleaner as long as it has a wand attachment with a small head on it.
I'm actually impressed by the bench and may try that one myself. Under $200 isn't terrible for a good looking Pine bench. These Tik Tok videos are definitely my guilty pleasure.
and it shouldn't be $200. You can buy an 8ft 2x4 for about $4. From the look of it, you'll need 15. So for about $60 of materials you can build it. Though if you work from 2x4, you'll need to remill to dimension and joint. But it's not that bad with a job site saw.
The radius corner math is a quarter of the circumference. So PiD and divide it by 4. Or i guess PiR/2. You could also miter both sides to meet in the center. Maybe that woukd look ok
This is what I was thinking. Mitering both sides would not only maybe look better, but it will certainly be significantly stronger. I saw a video comparing all the different joint types, and a basic mitered joint was surprisingly one of the top performers. Then an order of magnitude even better, was the same mitered joint with a simple thin spline added to it.
@@mrvvoo I agree. The radius corner joint seems like more of a novelty joint to try for fun. I guess it could look cool but it takes much longer than a normal mitered joint and is weaker. A regular mitered joint is just simply better. Easier, quicker, stronger, and more attractive.
@@Acaidia I think it would look cool if you stuffed a dark coloured veneer in the bottom of the joint. so when it come together you had a quarter circle of dark ribbon running along the side.
@@mrvvoo Miter are only "strong" when compared to other buttjoints - but those are the weakest joints you can make anyways. A simple lapjoint is multiple times stronger.
If you combined the second and third ideas (plus some radius cutting on the other leg bits), you could get a bench with radius corners. Sort of mid-century poop.
always been my experience with DIY... why spend 85$ for something that someone else made, when I can drop 500$ in tools, and twice as much on wood, and make a lower quality version myself!
I swear I've seen benches exactly like that in libraries and other public buildings for decades over here in Finland. They've been so ubiquitous that they've completely faded into the background for me. Had this "Waitaminute!" moment when I saw the rounded corners and all.
For an upside-down table saw... Well, I have a tiny table saw with a 4" blade, a 10" by 8" table and 100 watts of power and I used it as a circular saw to cut large mdf panels, so it kinda makes sense. In a way.
John I think you and your team are losein you're nuts. Absolutely love it. 😂😂😂. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work John and boys. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. Stay squirrely. God bless.
with that radius corner, you need to soak it for longer to make it pliable. then bend it and clamp on place. let it dry for a couple days (might be overkill, maybe only overnight) and when it's dry, then glue it up. you could even try being fancy with the end grain and have them mate at a 45 degree angle. that would require more math though haha just a thought
Or you could use a polyurethane glue. Moisture actually helps poly glue adhere and cure better. I'd worry about the wood cracking when you pry the joint open to spread glue after letting it dry. Also even with regular wood glue the wood being slightly damp when gluing isn't the end of the world. As long as it doesn't stay wet for too much longer after the glue is applied it would be fine. I'll just stick to mitered corners lol
💥 @ 3:15 ----> old woodworker trick... Glue actually bonds more securely to slightly wet/damp wood. 👍🏻 Works exceptionally well when repairing cracks. In your case, soaking then bending - then allowing to "mostly" dry in the desired curve, then applying the glue to "damp" wood.
I actually like that bench. The price of that lumber reinforces why its better to have my own sawmill. And I do not have to spend hours at HD sorting through boards to find some that are not warped.
Great video as always I’ve been getting into woodworking as a hobby and would love to spend a day in your shop learning more in-depth about it. Keep the great videos coming.
2 tips. As someone who has made plenty of skateboard ramps in the past. You need to let the wood soak for at least a couple of hours. Also, when it comes to your concern about the glue, use gorilla glue. It's actually activated by moisture so the water will actually serve to make the glue adhere faster
Wetting both surfaces first makes a better bond with most wood glues, not only Gorilla glue. I've used the trick for years before Gorilla glue came out. I imagine it lets the glue be more viscous as it penetrates into the surface pores.
@@ryanjohnson3615 I'd think the glue becomes less viscous and - with wood that hasn't been finish-prepped - the grain raising from the water allows for more 'texture' on a microscopic scale for the glue to adhere to. That said, water *in* the wood might form a barrier to glue penetration, or serve - through equalization of moisture content - to suck the glue right in; effectiveness of the technique would really need a strength test.
Enjoyed trying to figure out the math. You want the arclength to be the same as the length of the widest part of the cut. Use a radius that's slightly smaller than the width of the board but ensuring that the quadrant is perpendicular on both axes. The difference will be the skin. Use that radius to calculate the arc length and then start the arc on the skin line an arclength away from the joint. I think that should work. You should one up it and do it with a 45° miter. Lmk if you want help working out the math.
I think it would be great to see yalls rendition of hidden compartment furniture. I built a dresser that's a gun cabinet that I think yall would take to an unimaginable level!
The wagon wheels and boat was boiled or steam for longer time before the wood become flexible, clamp into the shape then wait till it dries. Once wood dried then should hold the new shape the wood form into. I used to do the wagon wheels and boats craft.
There will be some amount of spring back after you release the material from the form, depending on what wood your using it'll spring back different amounts. But definitely "steamed" for way longer and hotter.
An idea for the next three level builds came to me the other day: CNC projects, but Jordan is the expert and John is the beginner. Jordan slays, John is peak squirrelly and spends the whole episode struggling with Miss Piggy, and everyone wins.
The math on the corner piece is easy: the circumference of a circle is pi times the diameter, so two times pi times the radius of the circle. A 90° bend is one fourth of the circumference of said circle, so you need a length of pi times the thickness of your beam (minus the thickness of the part that covers the corner) divided by 2.
I would love to see more 3 Levels of Building videos, but with a twist, Jordan should do a CNC version while Sam does his intermediate like usual and John of course does a Pro version but with restrictions that can change per project like no fasteners and maybe even build time minimums, or a 5 Squirrel element. You get it! Love you guys! Always looking forward to new video drops! Hail Offerman! Edit: I had to come back because I had a thought on John's restriction idea (as if your gonna do it, lol) I was thinking of a deck of challenge cards of which John could pull one or more to apply to his project build. Just a thought, I swear it didn't hurt, but was maybe 3 Squirrels.
Use a glue which instructs user to moisten one surface of wood, these types of glue react and combine with the moisture swelling and foaming before hardening, like Gorilla glue or Python glue.
Just for future reference, on the second clip... the inner length of the segment you intend to bend should equal to the arc-length of the quarter-circle you drew with the compass, or, L = radius • theta.
have been working a little on basing wood (heat it with water or steam) the trick is to leave it in water/steam for about 1 hour, longer if it is cold. You should also have a teat band or similar on the outside so that it doesn't crack as easily. Then let it dry at the angle you want before applying glue.
I think if you added a sizing coat to your radius joint. Add glue while it's wet, wait for it to get tacky (while the glue soaks into the wet wood) then add more glue and finish like a regular dry joint. Might help with all that exposed end grain.
You should build a Caboat. It's where you make two canoes and find out that they're a little bit topsy-turvy so you put them side by side and screw boards across the top of them so you have a little platform to sit on
When I was a kid, we used an ammonia/water solution to curve model airplane wings. I've also used a blowtorch on a metal bar to bend maple. Mount the bar vertically on a board. Heat it. Then gently run the wood to be bent over the bar.
Yes build a canoe!!!!
Yeah but gotta make it a bit extra. Gotta pick a ridiculous junk wood and make it work. :P
Found you channel yesterday, loving it so far. But yes build a canoe or for a challenge an coracle, though you might have to come to the uk to learn how to build and use one, I can guarantee you will spend most of your time in the water
Using resin!
But if he's on it with Jordan, would it be a canoodle?!?
@@TheOgres3DForge, obviously it should be built out of old pallets 🤔
I like how the radius joint fell apart when you started to sand it! Sneaky edit thought!
Yeah i saw it too 😂🤣
And his face lol
Seen it too haha right at 8:57
I was thinking same thing
I think everyone saw it. Pretty hard to miss...
for the bending one, steam works way better and less of the wood gets wet. you can use any old cheap steam cleaner as long as it has a wand attachment with a small head on it.
But that’s not the way they showed in the TikTok.
Spout of a kettle at full boil using the steam
its still going to be a terrible joint even if it dries properly
I'm actually impressed by the bench and may try that one myself. Under $200 isn't terrible for a good looking Pine bench. These Tik Tok videos are definitely my guilty pleasure.
and it shouldn't be $200. You can buy an 8ft 2x4 for about $4. From the look of it, you'll need 15. So for about $60 of materials you can build it. Though if you work from 2x4, you'll need to remill to dimension and joint. But it's not that bad with a job site saw.
2:21 Somehow, Jordan snacking right through it made that so much better.
The radius corner math is a quarter of the circumference. So PiD and divide it by 4. Or i guess PiR/2. You could also miter both sides to meet in the center. Maybe that woukd look ok
Or put a lap joint in there, bit more difficult to do but could be fun
This is what I was thinking. Mitering both sides would not only maybe look better, but it will certainly be significantly stronger.
I saw a video comparing all the different joint types, and a basic mitered joint was surprisingly one of the top performers. Then an order of magnitude even better, was the same mitered joint with a simple thin spline added to it.
@@mrvvoo I agree. The radius corner joint seems like more of a novelty joint to try for fun. I guess it could look cool but it takes much longer than a normal mitered joint and is weaker. A regular mitered joint is just simply better. Easier, quicker, stronger, and more attractive.
@@Acaidia I think it would look cool if you stuffed a dark coloured veneer in the bottom of the joint. so when it come together you had a quarter circle of dark ribbon running along the side.
@@mrvvoo Miter are only "strong" when compared to other buttjoints - but those are the weakest joints you can make anyways. A simple lapjoint is multiple times stronger.
I've made several benches like that for outdoor furniture. Depending on the material and finish, they usually hold up very well.
If you combined the second and third ideas (plus some radius cutting on the other leg bits), you could get a bench with radius corners. Sort of mid-century poop.
Proper technique! you’re killing me! I love it! And heck yeah to the canoe!
Actually, the bench looked really good. Kind of expensive for a bench though.
I don’t think it’s too expensive. And yes it looked really good actually haha
always been my experience with DIY... why spend 85$ for something that someone else made, when I can drop 500$ in tools, and twice as much on wood, and make a lower quality version myself!
Indoor bench
3x3Custom Tamar made a very similar bench/table design on her channel... I like it!
I swear I've seen benches exactly like that in libraries and other public buildings for decades over here in Finland. They've been so ubiquitous that they've completely faded into the background for me. Had this "Waitaminute!" moment when I saw the rounded corners and all.
Love the power of editing there. Caught it.
That bench is cool!
the fact the joint fell apart at 8:55 is great.
Sure seems like an upside down table saw could have come in useful at 10:20
Lol
For an upside-down table saw... Well, I have a tiny table saw with a 4" blade, a 10" by 8" table and 100 watts of power and I used it as a circular saw to cut large mdf panels, so it kinda makes sense. In a way.
John I think you and your team are losein you're nuts. Absolutely love it. 😂😂😂. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work John and boys. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. Stay squirrely. God bless.
You stay awesome Jared!
@@John_Malecki I try.
Awesome
Would love to see a collab between you and Jimmy Diresta!
with that radius corner, you need to soak it for longer to make it pliable. then bend it and clamp on place. let it dry for a couple days (might be overkill, maybe only overnight) and when it's dry, then glue it up. you could even try being fancy with the end grain and have them mate at a 45 degree angle. that would require more math though haha just a thought
That is what I was thinking too. Clamp it without the glue to let it dry and hold that shape, then glue it up.
Or you could use a polyurethane glue. Moisture actually helps poly glue adhere and cure better. I'd worry about the wood cracking when you pry the joint open to spread glue after letting it dry. Also even with regular wood glue the wood being slightly damp when gluing isn't the end of the world. As long as it doesn't stay wet for too much longer after the glue is applied it would be fine.
I'll just stick to mitered corners lol
The bench could look cool, especially if you upgraded to a dark and light hardwood and probably some actual joinery
John: I F'in Hate this!!... Jordan: Sitting there watching and eating a snack.
Good entertainment
💥 @ 3:15 ----> old woodworker trick... Glue actually bonds more securely to slightly wet/damp wood. 👍🏻 Works exceptionally well when repairing cracks.
In your case, soaking then bending - then allowing to "mostly" dry in the desired curve, then applying the glue to "damp" wood.
I actually like that bench. The price of that lumber reinforces why its better to have my own sawmill. And I do not have to spend hours at HD sorting through boards to find some that are not warped.
Working from failure to success is the fun! So glad I found you!
Great video as always I’ve been getting into woodworking as a hobby and would love to spend a day in your shop learning more in-depth about it. Keep the great videos coming.
2 tips. As someone who has made plenty of skateboard ramps in the past. You need to let the wood soak for at least a couple of hours. Also, when it comes to your concern about the glue, use gorilla glue. It's actually activated by moisture so the water will actually serve to make the glue adhere faster
Wetting both surfaces first makes a better bond with most wood glues, not only Gorilla glue. I've used the trick for years before Gorilla glue came out. I imagine it lets the glue be more viscous as it penetrates into the surface pores.
@@ryanjohnson3615 I'd think the glue becomes less viscous and - with wood that hasn't been finish-prepped - the grain raising from the water allows for more 'texture' on a microscopic scale for the glue to adhere to. That said, water *in* the wood might form a barrier to glue penetration, or serve - through equalization of moisture content - to suck the glue right in; effectiveness of the technique would really need a strength test.
Imagine diluting it making it easier to seep into the material and as it's does the glue become less concentrated
Fantastic work, John! 😃
A canoe? Why the hell not? Bring it on!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
The wet join reminds me of basket weaving. We had to keep the wood wet, weave it through the frame, & then let it dry into shape.
When the choice is between building a canoe and not building a canoe, you should ALWAYS build a canoe.
The only point of the brad nails is to hold it in place until the glue dries. She probably didn't use them on the outside of the bench.
Love how Jordan’s just chilling with his chips while your squirrelling with that table saw
Enjoyed trying to figure out the math. You want the arclength to be the same as the length of the widest part of the cut. Use a radius that's slightly smaller than the width of the board but ensuring that the quadrant is perpendicular on both axes. The difference will be the skin. Use that radius to calculate the arc length and then start the arc on the skin line an arclength away from the joint. I think that should work.
You should one up it and do it with a 45° miter. Lmk if you want help working out the math.
I think it would be great to see yalls rendition of hidden compartment furniture. I built a dresser that's a gun cabinet that I think yall would take to an unimaginable level!
The wagon wheels and boat was boiled or steam for longer time before the wood become flexible, clamp into the shape then wait till it dries. Once wood dried then should hold the new shape the wood form into. I used to do the wagon wheels and boats craft.
There will be some amount of spring back after you release the material from the form, depending on what wood your using it'll spring back different amounts.
But definitely "steamed" for way longer and hotter.
We vote YES on the canoe!!
6:00 *smells the water to determine temperature. Then 15 seconds later verifies that the water sounds hot. Yep, thats how senses work!
Slim Malecki!! Keep doin what you're doing, we love it!
Malecki! You're making me jealous looking all slim and stuff. well done!
An idea for the next three level builds came to me the other day: CNC projects, but Jordan is the expert and John is the beginner. Jordan slays, John is peak squirrelly and spends the whole episode struggling with Miss Piggy, and everyone wins.
I second this! Excellent idea.
I love this.
Third this
Yes get squirrely and build a canoe!
the brad bails are just there to hold the wood together until the glue dries
The math on the corner piece is easy: the circumference of a circle is pi times the diameter, so two times pi times the radius of the circle. A 90° bend is one fourth of the circumference of said circle, so you need a length of pi times the thickness of your beam (minus the thickness of the part that covers the corner) divided by 2.
NERD!!!!
That bench is actually pretty freaking cool. Might be a cool project for a college dorm or smth
Yes on the canoe!
YES build a canoe!!
Burning the logo in the middle of the bench would be a cool touch for Jordan’s new bench!
I have made a few of those benches. I love the style and simplicity!
OMG yes, you must build the Ron Swanson canoe for 2!
I love on the table saw cut......Jordon is just waiting for it to hit the fan.........and he brought snacks!! 😋
build a kinda authentic canoe, like townsend did, I just love that you store it underwater to maintain it
Yes build the canoe
Canoe build is a must!
Speaking for all Brits, you cannot have all these tools and not have a functioning kettle in a workshop. Ridiculous!
Build a canoe and go fishing with Jordan to test it, 6 squirrels build
I want the canoe build, but only if you promise to post the maiden voyage in it. And all the squirrelly shenanigans!
get some fleck son - shockingly nice bench
Yes please on the canoe!
Cannnnnoooooooeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!
AWESOME 👌 👏 MAKES MY DAY.
YOUR CHILDREN ARE VERY TALENTED.
The bench looks like the Harmony bench from Steve Ramsy's weekend woodworker course. they are sturdy. I love making them.
Honestly, I do like the bench
I would love to see more 3 Levels of Building videos, but with a twist, Jordan should do a CNC version while Sam does his intermediate like usual and John of course does a Pro version but with restrictions that can change per project like no fasteners and maybe even build time minimums, or a 5 Squirrel element. You get it!
Love you guys! Always looking forward to new video drops! Hail Offerman!
Edit: I had to come back because I had a thought on John's restriction idea (as if your gonna do it, lol) I was thinking of a deck of challenge cards of which John could pull one or more to apply to his project build. Just a thought, I swear it didn't hurt, but was maybe 3 Squirrels.
Hell Yeah Build the canoe.
Use a glue which instructs user to moisten one surface of wood, these types of glue react and combine with the moisture swelling and foaming before hardening, like Gorilla glue or Python glue.
Build the canoe!!!
I would love to see you and Bobby Duke colab !😁👏
@8:54 the joint broke @8:56 it's perfect lol... Editing magic.
Just for future reference, on the second clip... the inner length of the segment you intend to bend should equal to the arc-length of the quarter-circle you drew with the compass, or, L = radius • theta.
bench is cool. Good to see the riving knife on the australian table saw technique 😀
have been working a little on basing wood (heat it with water or steam) the trick is to leave it in water/steam for about 1 hour, longer if it is cold. You should also have a teat band or similar on the outside so that it doesn't crack as easily. Then let it dry at the angle you want before applying glue.
Yoo.. John look fit! Must be all the daily runs!
Greetings John Malecki your videos from Paraguay!
Yes build a canoe big enough for both of you. For extra challenge with little too no machines :D
YES! Do make a long instructual video about building a canoe
Canoe ????? Yes Please
**NEW CHALLENGE** install a couple of mini-split units in the shop so you and everyone else can film in peace!😄 love the vids!
your videos are always great
Please build a canoe and film you and Jordan fishing in it.
AND build the paddles too, but using exclusively hand planes to finish after the glue up
I like all my body parts right where they are, thank you very much! Take your time to do the job safe, nothing is that important.
Missed a great opportunity to use the upside down table saw hack during the bench build, would have saved so much time....
Definitely do the canoe
Now I wanna see a live edge epoxy bench/bench back build
I just love watching you as you do silly things on your video.
Loved the video🔥
Man i love the TikTok videos re makes 🥰🥰 hopefully 🤞🏻 they don’t stop I understand things cost money 💰 but I enjoy them 😍
I think if you added a sizing coat to your radius joint. Add glue while it's wet, wait for it to get tacky (while the glue soaks into the wet wood) then add more glue and finish like a regular dry joint. Might help with all that exposed end grain.
Is he a patriot.
Yes, he is.
That's a ton of freedom hanging everywhere.
Great vid.
8:48 the joint broke during sanding. Very strong 10/10
Canoe, absolutely build a canoe, yes, for sure.
You should build a Caboat. It's where you make two canoes and find out that they're a little bit topsy-turvy so you put them side by side and screw boards across the top of them so you have a little platform to sit on
Great content thanks for sharing
Yes build a canoe.
Also did any one else notice the joint come apart when he first sanded it 😂😂
Build a canoe that looks like a Viking boat and has a squirrel head on the front
You know it's Gunna be a good day when you wake up to that John maleki upload notification
5:20 is the word you're looking for a digital thermometer laugh😂
When I was a kid, we used an ammonia/water solution to curve model airplane wings. I've also used a blowtorch on a metal bar to bend maple. Mount the bar vertically on a board. Heat it. Then gently run the wood to be bent over the bar.
I don’t do any frame work but I enjoy ur videos 😊
Only just recently found your channel and been binging it. Love the content :D
I like how I got a Tiktok ad at the midroll. I thoroughly enjoyed how the glue came undone on the weird round "joint" while you sanded it
Maybe left that in to get more comment later 🤣🤣🤣 you caught me. We had to regkue it haha
@@John_Malecki so is that the same one or did you have to go for attempt #5
Definitely build a canoe!!!
Yeahhhh a Canoe🎉