i wish this knowledge was more accessible, you are doing gods work bro !!!! people will be able to visualize frequency response and box tuning correlations better after seeing. 😎
Dang, I built a "one hit wonder" subwoofer enclosure a while back too! Had to toss it in the trash. The best enclosure for my dual SVR-12's is a sealed enclosure, running them at 1,200 watts total at 4 Ohm (max damping/watts on a JL Audio HD 1200/1), facing "backwards" in the trunk of my GS400. I also took your advice, and added 2X Slaps M12-V2 passive radiators to the sealed box, which now hits louder, and lower (down to 21 Hz). Thanks for your expert advice, and dope videos BBH!
I have 2 12Xv.3s and i highly suggest using birch over MDF. I can pick up the box (empty) easy. Its so light even with double baffling. I myself also love the lower tuning with these and feel it blends with music better. Im all SQ and listen to R&B, hip hop, smooth jazz.
Just starting the video, but gotta say I was at Lowe's just the other day scoping out everything I need for my next build. That's my grown man toy store lol.
This is probably the best channel for learning about subwoofers on TH-cam. I said I was going to get a hoodie and I have not done so, yet. You deserve all the support you can get and shout out to Lowes because they are cheaper than Home Depot, but don't carry the EXACT same products. I had to learn that a majority of the time they're the better buy, but not always.
@@BudgetBassHead You and I know that, 'You're simply the best,". Pat yourself on the back and do a couple of victory laps while I pay some of your bills. lol
14:47 nice bro, mine are metal triangles from Home Depot in the clamp section. I've never seen one like that, but now I have to have one. The production value of your videos is top-notch. Great editing and thoughtfulness of flow & presentation of information.
Try a 3 cubic foot box tuned to 26 or 28 hz. It should be a little better. I have my xv3 10 in a 2.5 cubic foot box tuned to 28 right now, and wow. They like lower tuning. I've seen them tuned as low as 22hz, and they seem to like it. Great video, like always, though. 💯
@@BudgetBassHead you definitely need to try it, also your car cabin is good for that, I'm struggling with a small hatchback vw polo 6r to hit numbers but I only can get 140db at 28hz with 4 cheap entry level 8s
The bad part about sticking in the sround is if it gets damaged or over time ends up brittle you can't replace it the speaker has to be reconed to fix it if thats the case it should in my opinion at least have a bolt on style spider landing so recone is easier to do as a complete drop in recone kit. 💯🫡✌️👌 using a car primer spray gun at a high psi give full coverage and won't sock up glue. But the gun has to be cleaned exactly well after use for reuse. 💯👌✌️👍
I build boxes myself, and I could tell just by looking at it that he wouldn't be happy with the performance. The box is too small, imo and has some unnecessary bracing.
Love the video Brotha, I have this Sub it's a Beast. My Q50S didn't come with the BOSE. system so I went JL in the cabin and Sundown Salt 4 and single Xv3 12 for the party in the truck. Great middle ground. But I love SQ builds, keep up the good work. I love watching the vids even though I don't build it's entertaining to watch.
@@BudgetBassHead I'm only putting like 2500 watts in it cause I'm still on stock electrical but it wants to get windy and I know it can take twice the power
@BudgetBassHead- Thank you for taking your time to make this video❤ Will you please consider showing us the bandwidth of this current sub/enclosure combo, before you change it? Example: Turn the volume up, only till you hit a 140.0 Db, @ 36 Hz. Then leave the volume there, & just turn your bass knob down, or pause your track. Then test every freq. @ the same volume starting @ 15 Hz, & go up to around 50 Hz, to show how flat, or not, the output is, before changes. This way, we can ALL see, the actual results from your changes. Thanks in advance, ❤️ your videos.
The sander can also be used to knock outer edges and corners for guys who don't have a router, gets dusty, and it won't be perfect though but I would have done exactly what you did to even the top out, looks clean I like burp boxes then because I like it, try with low frequency music
I feel that 45 in the corner of ports just obstructs air flow unless you 45 it on the other side to make sure it’s the same width all the way around the port. Also I can’t remember if you said you accounted for all the bracing in the enclosure cubic ft wise
@@BudgetBassHead gotcha that definitely sucks that it came out as a burp box. I think if you shrink it some by just adding some port and lowering tuning it will come out way better
I compaet with 2 rockville db comp5 and4 xfl1544 v.2 and a db45 for mids and highs Thunder i had to reinforcee my roof with3 layers of birch3/4inch×3 basicly.
Amazing wood work boss! Hey try a tiny box with 3 inch pipe adjustable tuning!! take a look at my 2 10s in my rx8, they are in a 1 cu. box with kinda random port division...i can make it peaky or nice n flat. I love 18-60hz percieved flat, in reality it favors the lows but cabin gain lets the highs come through...1 window open and the 5hit get deep 22 hz. Im trying to get the most bang for weight ratio atm cause my rx8 springs cant handle more than 150lb 😢
Just a suggestion. You coulda just screwed those port dowels to the side piece first before putting it on, might have been easier than sliding it down in there with glue after its assembled. Also, why didn't you use the round over bit on the port opening?
Man.. I am trying to put together a sub for the first time in 30 years. Just a Dayton Audio 8" HF in a sealed box.. trying to make two of them for home theater use. I wanted more musical and tight bass but could still hit lows. Haven't finished it.. 13x13x13 size has it tuned to about 41hz I think it was. Using Term Pro to dial things in. Also had a ported design down to 23hz but couldn't get the air velocity right on a small enough box. Will only be feeding about 150 watts to each. Dont expect them to shake the room much but hoping a pair of them sound better than my 25 year old 12" Infinity sub.
I love when people say they put 45s in corners ? So what happened to top and bottom corners ? Does the air movement know the difference from wall 45s to top and bottom box 45s?
The air is moving in laterally in the enclosure; via compression created by the cone's movement. It is them forced in the direction of the port, laterally or horizontally. Which is why most of us place the 45s in the corners in which the air flow is most likely channeled. But I do understand why you made that statement.
Hey how did you get the car info with the diagram of the sub and space inside because i need that done for my Kia Stinger GT2 and two dc audio level 3 M4 10's
If the aim of adding 45° corner bracing is to minimize air turbulence in the box, why are only vertical joints given corner bracing? Why not also add it to horizontal joints?
When air is compressed inside the chamber it does compress in all directions. However the port forces the air to flow horizontally. Therefore adding vertical bracing in the corners assist with the air flow during compression.
I’m confused because the Sundown X-V.3 claims 4 inches peak to peak excursion which would be 51mm xmax, but the t/s parameters say it’s xmax is only 30mm. Does anyone know why that is?
excursion and X-Max are not the same thing. Excursion is more related to Mechanical Travel or X-Mech. X-Max is related to measurements concerning the voice coil while located inside the gap.
@BudgetBassHead got any subs you could recommend? I'm gonna try and re cone my Sundown x6.5 with copper for a start...I think some neodymium 8s might be the ticket. Shooting for 135db below 30 hz in a standard size car (RX8).
Should of went with the dc xl like I said when you had the poll the x series is a one trick pony not getting sound quality when the surround dimples that that
I believe this box does what the manufacture stated in it's description. It was never really marketed as an SQ subwoofer. That's simply me being stubborn and wanting things my own way. The X-12 is a brute and that's about it.
This is what Sundown Audio recommends. But of course, you could do however you like. Sundown actually encourages putting this subwoofer in larger boxes to play deeper.
Tanks for sharing build tips . Awesome Vid as always. 143db is great . That sub would hit so hard at 30Hz, in a 1.5 ft2 . I wonder how it would do in a slot port transmission line box.
I love your channel and am super impressed you got Lowes to sponsor this video! Kudos to you my friend 👏 👏
Thanks for the support. We smaller channels need more businesses like Lowes to give us a chance. Thanks to Lowes.
i wish this knowledge was more accessible, you are doing gods work bro !!!! people will be able to visualize frequency response and box tuning correlations better after seeing. 😎
I'm just trying to help people build their own. Glad you found some value in it!
Dang, I built a "one hit wonder" subwoofer enclosure a while back too! Had to toss it in the trash.
The best enclosure for my dual SVR-12's is a sealed enclosure, running them at 1,200 watts total at 4 Ohm (max damping/watts on a JL Audio HD 1200/1), facing "backwards" in the trunk of my GS400. I also took your advice, and added 2X Slaps M12-V2 passive radiators to the sealed box, which now hits louder, and lower (down to 21 Hz).
Thanks for your expert advice, and dope videos BBH!
It's great to hear your setup is working out so well! Thanks for watching and sharing your build!
I have 2 12Xv.3s and i highly suggest using birch over MDF. I can pick up the box (empty) easy. Its so light even with double baffling. I myself also love the lower tuning with these and feel it blends with music better. Im all SQ and listen to R&B, hip hop, smooth jazz.
Just starting the video, but gotta say I was at Lowe's just the other day scoping out everything I need for my next build. That's my grown man toy store lol.
Yeah, Lowe's is pretty great for this stuff. I'm in there all the time!
This is probably the best channel for learning about subwoofers on TH-cam. I said I was going to get a hoodie and I have not done so, yet.
You deserve all the support you can get and shout out to Lowes because they are cheaper than Home Depot, but don't carry the EXACT same products. I had to learn that a majority of the time they're the better buy, but not always.
Awesome! Thank you the support! I'm simply sharing my love of this hobby and it feels good to help someone else learn something.
@@BudgetBassHead You and I know that, 'You're simply the best,". Pat yourself on the back and do a couple of victory laps while I pay some of your bills. lol
Awsome subwoofer great enclosure
It was a fun build. Glad you liked it.
Fantastic video. I love my X 12, absolutely hammers.
14:47 nice bro, mine are metal triangles from Home Depot in the clamp section. I've never seen one like that, but now I have to have one.
The production value of your videos is top-notch. Great editing and thoughtfulness of flow & presentation of information.
Thanks for noticing. These clamps are by PITTSBURGH:
Multifunction Corner Clamp - Item 66977 from harbor freight.
Always great information videos
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.
Try a 3 cubic foot box tuned to 26 or 28 hz. It should be a little better. I have my xv3 10 in a 2.5 cubic foot box tuned to 28 right now, and wow. They like lower tuning. I've seen them tuned as low as 22hz, and they seem to like it. Great video, like always, though. 💯
also bigger port area and side firing port would make it even better
@@fredy000 agreed
@@aliciaANDanthonySandoval yay 😂
@aliciaANDanthonySandoval I don't really go that low with my tuning; I prefer to stay above 30hz. But I do know a lot of people who love lower tunes.
@@BudgetBassHead you definitely need to try it, also your car cabin is good for that, I'm struggling with a small hatchback vw polo 6r to hit numbers but I only can get 140db at 28hz with 4 cheap entry level 8s
The bad part about sticking in the sround is if it gets damaged or over time ends up brittle you can't replace it the speaker has to be reconed to fix it if thats the case it should in my opinion at least have a bolt on style spider landing so recone is easier to do as a complete drop in recone kit. 💯🫡✌️👌 using a car primer spray gun at a high psi give full coverage and won't sock up glue. But the gun has to be cleaned exactly well after use for reuse. 💯👌✌️👍
Nice work! Sucks that after all the effort you put into this it didn't perform like you expected, but that's part of the game!
Yep. I plan to DSP the Peek to get it flatter. Either that, or stuff the port a little to flatten it manually.
I build boxes myself, and I could tell just by looking at it that he wouldn't be happy with the performance. The box is too small, imo and has some unnecessary bracing.
J'aime trop, c'est toujours très intéressant ! 💪
Beautiful sub
I agree!
From one box builder to another, your boxes are amazing. I love window bracing. Not a fan of mdf. I use 3/4 Baltic birch for a Gately-ish finish.
I appreciate that!
It's not controversial. Those corner pieces are essential in assisting with eliminating standing waves inside the enclosure. Good work
Love the video Brotha, I have this Sub it's a Beast. My Q50S didn't come with the BOSE. system so I went JL in the cabin and Sundown Salt 4 and single Xv3 12 for the party in the truck. Great middle ground. But I love SQ builds, keep up the good work. I love watching the vids even though I don't build it's entertaining to watch.
Glad you're enjoying the build process, even if you don't do it yourself! I love the SQ builds too.
I wish I had the skills and time to make a ported 12" enclosure for my 2010 mini cooper s...
I got the 18 of this its a beast and in the middle of doing the box as well
I love this lineup. I've only had the 12. I couldn't imagine how much pressure the 18 could put out.
@@BudgetBassHead I'm only putting like 2500 watts in it cause I'm still on stock electrical but it wants to get windy and I know it can take twice the power
@BudgetBassHead- Thank you for taking your time to make this video❤ Will you please consider showing us the bandwidth of this current sub/enclosure combo, before you change it? Example: Turn the volume up, only till you hit a 140.0 Db, @ 36 Hz. Then leave the volume there, & just turn your bass knob down, or pause your track. Then test every freq. @ the same volume starting @ 15 Hz, & go up to around 50 Hz, to show how flat, or not, the output is, before changes. This way, we can ALL see, the actual results from your changes. Thanks in advance, ❤️ your videos.
Good suggestion, but that's for a future video. This video was mainly about the build process. The next video will be the testing of it.
@@BudgetBassHead Yes, i was just asking for you to try these things out in a hopefully near future video, thank you.
Nice build.
Glad you liked it.
Amazing video love the box 📦 🔥
Glad you enjoyed it.
I like birch for its resonance MDF has a nice dead sound doesn't really resonate but if you like solid base it's great musically Birch
I agree, there are different ways to approach building a box, depending on the sound you’re going for.
The sander can also be used to knock outer edges and corners for guys who don't have a router, gets dusty, and it won't be perfect though but I would have done exactly what you did to even the top out, looks clean I like burp boxes then because I like it, try with low frequency music
I played some Decaf (re-bass) music and 'WOW' this thing is AMAZING! If you like low tuned tracks, then this is your build.
awesome!!! greetings from Colombia
Gracias, I hope you enjoy the video!
PLEASE try making a box with this Sundown and the passive Radiators you posted a while ago!
That's actually not a bad idea.
wow great content
Please make one for a solo x 15
Its on my radar. I'll let you guys know when.
if you want an SQ box = try a Tapered port smaller at beginning / wider at port mouth
I may have to try that.
Going back to roll that intro again.
😁 💯
Put it in the PR BOX💪💪💪
Something that would have been cool to see is how it does with having the sub and port aimed into the driver side of the trunk.
That's for a future video. This video was mainly about the build process.
I feel that 45 in the corner of ports just obstructs air flow unless you 45 it on the other side to make sure it’s the same width all the way around the port. Also I can’t remember if you said you accounted for all the bracing in the enclosure cubic ft wise
2.5 'after' displacement.
@@BudgetBassHead gotcha that definitely sucks that it came out as a burp box. I think if you shrink it some by just adding some port and lowering tuning it will come out way better
I compaet with 2 rockville db comp5 and4 xfl1544 v.2 and a db45 for mids and highs Thunder i had to reinforcee my roof with3 layers of birch3/4inch×3 basicly.
What's up DJKeys! We already know what you rocking bro!
Amazing wood work boss! Hey try a tiny box with 3 inch pipe adjustable tuning!! take a look at my 2 10s in my rx8, they are in a 1 cu. box with kinda random port division...i can make it peaky or nice n flat. I love 18-60hz percieved flat, in reality it favors the lows but cabin gain lets the highs come through...1 window open and the 5hit get deep 22 hz. Im trying to get the most bang for weight ratio atm cause my rx8 springs cant handle more than 150lb 😢
You got down building this box.👍🏾👍🏾
Q: What is the brand name and model of your amplifier?
TarAmps Smart 8 Bass
Just a suggestion. You coulda just screwed those port dowels to the side piece first before putting it on, might have been easier than sliding it down in there with glue after its assembled. Also, why didn't you use the round over bit on the port opening?
You are correct.
Maybe you work in reverse and model a few subs in winisd with that box specs. Maybe not good for sundown x but maybe a XFL 12. Etcetera.
Silicone rollers work better and glue peels off afterwards,and with the dowels you can drill a hole and line the dowel up in the port to the hole
I'll have to try that out on the next build.
Man.. I am trying to put together a sub for the first time in 30 years. Just a Dayton Audio 8" HF in a sealed box.. trying to make two of them for home theater use. I wanted more musical and tight bass but could still hit lows. Haven't finished it.. 13x13x13 size has it tuned to about 41hz I think it was. Using Term Pro to dial things in. Also had a ported design down to 23hz but couldn't get the air velocity right on a small enough box. Will only be feeding about 150 watts to each. Dont expect them to shake the room much but hoping a pair of them sound better than my 25 year old 12" Infinity sub.
It sounds like you're on the right track! It's always a great feeling to put together your own subwoofer.
Did you ever test the Memphis mojo pro subs?
I love when people say they put 45s in corners ? So what happened to top and bottom corners ? Does the air movement know the difference from wall 45s to top and bottom box 45s?
The air is moving in laterally in the enclosure; via compression created by the cone's movement. It is them forced in the direction of the port, laterally or horizontally. Which is why most of us place the 45s in the corners in which the air flow is most likely channeled. But I do understand why you made that statement.
Think I’m going to put 3 of these in my cutlass 😅 on 10k
Hey how did you get the car info with the diagram of the sub and space inside because i need that done for my Kia Stinger GT2 and two dc audio level 3 M4 10's
From the manufacturer's website
Nice
Glad you liked it!
If the aim of adding 45° corner bracing is to minimize air turbulence in the box, why are only vertical joints given corner bracing? Why not also add it to horizontal joints?
When air is compressed inside the chamber it does compress in all directions. However the port forces the air to flow horizontally. Therefore adding vertical bracing in the corners assist with the air flow during compression.
Could ya help me come up with a simple ported 15 box design
email me.
Can it drop to. 003 Hz?
You funny.
Would this box work for 1 skar audio vxf12? Im currently running one designed for a audio dynamics single 12 but want to change it up
Of course it will.
Whats a good amp to push theses subs with?
I'm running a TarAmps Smart 8 Bass, through a DSP. Any amp without a 30Hz roll-off should do. 2k and better.
@@BudgetBassHead Thanks!
What tuning is this box is it 32hz or 30hz
32Hz
@@BudgetBassHead do you have a 12” subwoofer box design for music tuned to 30-32 hz
Do you sellbthe schematics to build this box?
Yes. Email me.
I’m confused because the Sundown X-V.3 claims 4 inches peak to peak excursion which would be 51mm xmax, but the t/s parameters say it’s xmax is only 30mm. Does anyone know why that is?
excursion and X-Max are not the same thing. Excursion is more related to Mechanical Travel or X-Mech. X-Max is related to measurements concerning the voice coil while located inside the gap.
Wooden support pieces in port may cause bad turbulence.
I haven't notice anything. But thanks for the tip.
At this point make custom builds man.. some of us dont got time to make one =(
It's hard to beat a custom box for performance and tuning.
@BudgetBassHead :(
join me in the 135 db 100lbs or less chanllenge !! total system weight...
Sounds like a fun challenge.
@BudgetBassHead got any subs you could recommend? I'm gonna try and re cone my Sundown x6.5 with copper for a start...I think some neodymium 8s might be the ticket. Shooting for 135db below 30 hz in a standard size car (RX8).
I have this same scenario in my supercrew truck. 2 meso 12's. If its not decaf or Gucci Mane low freq its useless.
Should of went with the dc xl like I said when you had the poll the x series is a one trick pony not getting sound quality when the surround dimples that that
I believe this box does what the manufacture stated in it's description. It was never really marketed as an SQ subwoofer. That's simply me being stubborn and wanting things my own way. The X-12 is a brute and that's about it.
11:04 this shade is way too dark to be called pink or magenta, it's a purple or a violet
Lowes >>> Home Depot
There's a 6th order waiting for you to build it lol
You already know it!!
No clue why here and prephab boxes use manufactures specs, so much more output at bigger box lower freqq
Just my observation. Thinking the port should be bigger to play lower hz.
This is what Sundown Audio recommends. But of course, you could do however you like. Sundown actually encourages putting this subwoofer in larger boxes to play deeper.
Man don't nobody use mdf no more!
Nobody???
Port is too narrow..
Not your box. It’s the sub. That mega roll surround is SPL oriented. Sundowns are not balanced subs
USING FAItH ... ? tO SPEAK NUMBERS , INtO FRACtIONS ...
Not sure what you mean, but thanks for watching and commenting.
Tanks for sharing build tips . Awesome Vid as always. 143db is great .
That sub would hit so hard at 30Hz, in a 1.5 ft2 . I wonder how it would do in a slot port transmission line box.
I'll have to try that on the next build.