I was waiting to see how well it would crawl after you modified yours before pulling the trigger on one. You sold me on it, gonna get one tomorrow and do similar mods. Thanks for the great video as always and showing us what it’s capable of. With rear steer and more mods it should be a real line killer. 👍👍
I was suprised at how many people did not recognize what the Optic is- a great and versatile build base. You can take it in so many directions with minimal mods. Love what you did, and loved Brandon's CMS/4.1 tire/shortened wheelbase version he showed on this week's Vanquish livestream. It looked so Ultra 4. I don't have one yet, finishing another build, but I will have one soner than later.
I’ve been happy with mine modified. I did mouse trap the other day on 1.9 ruptures, weighted brass front and rear and running spare battery opposite running battery. I have already broken the front r&p. So, I replaced that and added under drive rear r&p. I upgraded to the vrd trans so around 30% overdrive and a must have. Desert lizards 90/100 combo to add little extra skid angle(with rear upper shock mount more forward). Fusion se 1800 and shift rcs lp 2.0 servo with a castle bec running 8.4v all on 3s. Custom bent(at home on vise)links an really enjoying the rig. Thanks for sharing your video. This was a great improvement from stock.
I love buggies too! And will get this one as soon as they make it a kit! From what I seen it sits right in the middle of a Ryft and Capra... As you said, 'a really nice balance'!
Just something I noticed, never seen you talk about it but the fact that you never show you interacting with your trucks leads to really high immersion for me. The stakes feel a lot higher because god’s hand doesn’t come in and interfere every 30 seconds like I’ve seen in other videos. Really well done with that 🤙🏻
A big part of that is because I’m driving with one hand and filming with the other so usually I don’t have a choice lol but I’m glad you enjoy them! Thanks for watching
Got An H10 and love it. Love the tall stock tires. And the new axels. Switched to a Hobbywing Pro and a Raw 500 servo. Replaced the upper links with the Vanquish titanium builders links. Vanquish blue 1.9 Riots, blue Skarn beadlock rings, silver Delta IFR inner rings, and sintered inner clamp rings. Have the parts ready to beef up the diffs when they do go out. Love the videos you put out. Wish I had terrain like yours here in San Diego. You have the crawlers dream landscape.
I really want one and your video makes me want one even more. As for why I haven't bought one is just a budget reason for me. But I am going to make a rock crawler out of my H10 once I have it in my hands! Thank you for what you do!
Finally a video of actually crawling! Haven't been impressed by a review video yet! It's either hanging up on the belly or flipping over backwards. I like where your going with yours! More low front weight and overdrive should help. I still think it's gonna take something different to be that go to, have to do this part. I just don't think the start add brass theory works on this buggy.
I modified mine with a Fusion Pro 2300 and a Reefs 777 direct power and put the underdrive gears in the rear and running some aluminum 1.9 wheels with G8 Swampers and squid inserts and brass lock rings in the front. I’m lovin it so far.
Love the review as well as letting us know what you did to it. I am definitely a scale truck/ trail truck guy and not much into buggies. However, your couple rollovers really makes me reconsider my likes 😂
Got the h10… about to drop in revolver classic 1950 kv.. want to do 4s with copperhead… Looking at reefs brass… raw 500 probably enough for me.. but 777 only $10 more… Then some 2.2s… I’m doing a ton of belly dragging.
Mines similar to yours except I shortened the rear links 15mm and used high clearance ones. I put 8/33 hardened gears in both axles too before the stock ones broke.
I had considered it but I’d like to keep it straight axle front and rear for a bit more realism. I haven’t built a straight axle rear steer buggy before
With the H10 axle being a little wider than the F10, I wonder if I ran .350 hubs on the H10 steer axle and then put .475 hubs on a F10 steer axle if the width would be close enough for 4ws.
Cool rig, but I'm just getting back into RC and slowly building up my Fordyce. An H10 is way off in the future for me. I love the vids though. Always looking for ideas and love the St. George scenery.
I’m trying to figure out what to purchase. The Capra 1.9 4ws, an already modified one, or the H10. I really want 4ws cuz my real life jeep is far from such an upgrade. Not sure how important, but looks fun.
Hey Logan, im in the process of building a 1/10 scale lgc 4ws crawler from the ground up. Do you have a video of a break down for good recommendations? Or what you would recommend for axles and trans? Thank you!
Any chance of you buulding a buggy and getting out to the We Rock RC comp next year!? Would love to see you compete, the course looked right up your street from Josh and Matts videos!
I usually replace the pinion but leave the spur gear as a weak point, as they’re pretty cheap to replace. Honestly haven’t had to replace one yet and all have brushless systems. Should I be running machined spurs? Aren’t the machined spurs louder too.
I'm very interested. But i have WAY to many half built RCs and chassis sitting around. no point even looking till I can clear some of my back log. and that wont be till my full-sized truck is back up and running. But if i can get a hold a set of them axles I wouldn't say no....
Dude my G8s take forever to scrub in! My swampers still have the ribbons that hang off from the mold and they have at least 15 hrs on em….dlux scx10ii brass knuckles bolt right up to the optic just add an extra arm to ur cart!
it costs to much for me. they need to sell it as a kit because nobody is going to keep the stock motor and esc or servo,we don't want to pay for stuff twice.
Yeah well I spent just $600 OTD for my axial Capra 4ws. Ssd wheels/foams/g8 KRAWLERS/fusions se/pinion gear/brass front box’s/over drive portal gears/40kg Amazon servos/5channel spektrum receiver/dig servo. Hi cleared the stock lower links. You get the point same price tag or more. I guess you have dig and rear steer servo. But all my cars rtr touch that $600-$1k think we’re all used to it by now. My scx10iii early bronco it’s touching that $800-900 price after mods. Don’t see why people claim this is too much. Name an rtr that has quality electronics that has at least the quality of an scx10iii or a vanquish. I mean no disrespect or hate in this message.
@CasperRc81 Yes, it does cost around $600-$1000. But it shouldn't. $60 in electronics were not going to be used, and on Amazon, you can order all the parts you need and build a super capable crawler for $500. I have been thinking about using an injora fake capra cage,aluminum capra axles,3gear with dig,fusion se1200, injora beadlocks,s5 xhx pin tires with green silicone inserts and will be around $485 and if I used meus nylon portals it would be $450. I know it isn't vanquish quality, but performance per dollar will be way higher, I guess I am just a cheapskate
Cool truck, but there's too much I'd have to replace, and for me, the Capras are set up better, OOTB (4WS/portals). I do appreciate the Vanquish design, especially if it's easier to work on than a Capra. It'll be interesting to see how much of the original truck is left, once your done with your mods. Not much left now, just chassis/links/axles. Do you know how much weight your saving with the Holmes combo, vs a Fusion Pro? Maybe one day I can buy a nice, smooth, sealed, light and torquey crawler motor ESC combo, from a US based company. Thanks for providing a great rock crawler perspective on this new platform. After a hard look, I decided I like my stock VRD Stance RTR enough, after a few runs, to upgrade to a VRD Carbon kit/Fusion Pro set up. Anyone in the Houston area need a lightly used VRD Stance, in silver?
@@westdesertwheeler thanks man I appreciate it. You have your crawlers setup so well I kinda like to have similar setup, my crawlers are definitely performing better and following your driving tips help as well. Thanks again!
I am running too high of a KV currently it’s what was on the shelf at my hobby shop. If you get the KV and pinion right they’re lighter and smoother than a fusion. ESC is capable of 4S as well which if you have a direct power 4S servo makes it a good choice
@@westdesertwheeler Yes, you have Logan. Just making a general statement. The H10 can be made to be a good crawler but out of the box, the Capra is the one you want if you're looking for a crawler. The H10 is a great looking truck, just more suited as a trail truck.
Ofcourse this outrunner doesn't need sensor... it works on f.o.c (field oriented control) which does the same thing what sensor does and inrunners can be sensorless too if there are enough poles on the rotor.. i have the same principal system on my 1/27 mini z 4x4 rubicon.. by furitek..
Stock form I’m not super happy with the h10. It feels like it wants to be a little of everything at once. Not quick enough to be a ultra4 bouncer type and the gearing isn’t super set up for crawling. I wish it came on 2.2s or with high clearance links. I feel like it bellies out on a lot of stuff and ends up negating the wheelbase advantage. All of this can be solved by throwing money at it. Which I will at some point.
@@westdesertwheeler ha I thought you were going to show the new reefs brass 1100. Totally agree on where to put it. I’m at 62/38 on my VRD and it does pretty nice , I’ve got a new build I’m finishing up and I’ll aim for something like that in it too depending on how it does.
My biggest issue with this truck is its the same price as everything else but they cheaped out on internals big time... i honestly believe a redcat ascent would walk all over this thing.
@@bsfunk44 I like the concept. I don't like the price point. My goal is not to discourage any vehicles of this type it's to encourage lower pricing. If you just boycott it the message to manufacturers isn't clear. At least if the manufacturer ever reads comments they can see what the real complaint is. At the end of the day I'm gonna buy a Capra. Better bang for the buck.
The second issue i have is vanquish crying about companies knocking off their products but then they do the same thing to rc speedy, rc speedy pays lisencing to make red dot chassis and vanquish comes out with a plastic copy called an "optic" lol... thats a bit of kettle calling the pot black..
😂😂😂😂 the optic has been in development for over 2 years and went through multiple renditions. Also it doesn't look like RCspeedys' D1 Red Dot. RcSpeedy builds cages, they don't produce any of the drivetrain. As a company, if they complain that a chinese company will outright steal they're likeness and produce an almost identical product is understandable and not comparable like your statement.
DANA 60 graphics are so rad on this. The front shot at the end with the tall swampers and the ram steer visually sweet!!!
love seeing super swamper's on the rocks!!
I was waiting to see how well it would crawl after you modified yours before pulling the trigger on one. You sold me on it, gonna get one tomorrow and do similar mods. Thanks for the great video as always and showing us what it’s capable of. With rear steer and more mods it should be a real line killer. 👍👍
It’s definitely a fun truck I’m sure you will have fun with it! Appreciate you watching and taking my content into consideration
I was suprised at how many people did not recognize what the Optic is- a great and versatile build base. You can take it in so many directions with minimal mods. Love what you did, and loved Brandon's CMS/4.1 tire/shortened wheelbase version he showed on this week's Vanquish livestream. It looked so Ultra 4.
I don't have one yet, finishing another build, but I will have one soner than later.
Glad you liked that one! Definitely looks the part.
Lovely, relaxing video Logan! Thank you for showing that the Optic can be a capable crawler!
I love seeing you run the 3 lines from cold cuts!! always makes me happy
I’ve been happy with mine modified. I did mouse trap the other day on 1.9 ruptures, weighted brass front and rear and running spare battery opposite running battery. I have already broken the front r&p. So, I replaced that and added under drive rear r&p. I upgraded to the vrd trans so around 30% overdrive and a must have. Desert lizards 90/100 combo to add little extra skid angle(with rear upper shock mount more forward). Fusion se 1800 and shift rcs lp 2.0 servo with a castle bec running 8.4v all on 3s. Custom bent(at home on vise)links an really enjoying the rig. Thanks for sharing your video. This was a great improvement from stock.
What is your spring setup on the lizards? Im thinking on getting them.
Beautiful bounce, still thinking about one, , great crawling this morning!!!!!
I love buggies too! And will get this one as soon as they make it a kit! From what I seen it sits right in the middle of a Ryft and Capra... As you said, 'a really nice balance'!
Just something I noticed, never seen you talk about it but the fact that you never show you interacting with your trucks leads to really high immersion for me. The stakes feel a lot higher because god’s hand doesn’t come in and interfere every 30 seconds like I’ve seen in other videos. Really well done with that 🤙🏻
A big part of that is because I’m driving with one hand and filming with the other so usually I don’t have a choice lol but I’m glad you enjoy them! Thanks for watching
Finally ran my first set off swampers this week! Man I was missing out all this time!
Got An H10 and love it. Love the tall stock tires. And the new axels. Switched to a Hobbywing Pro and a Raw 500 servo. Replaced the upper links with the Vanquish titanium builders links. Vanquish blue 1.9 Riots, blue Skarn beadlock rings, silver Delta IFR inner rings, and sintered inner clamp rings. Have the parts ready to beef up the diffs when they do go out. Love the videos you put out. Wish I had terrain like yours here in San Diego. You have the crawlers dream landscape.
looking good dude
I really want one and your video makes me want one even more. As for why I haven't bought one is just a budget reason for me. But I am going to make a rock crawler out of my H10 once I have it in my hands! Thank you for what you do!
Finally a video of actually crawling! Haven't been impressed by a review video yet! It's either hanging up on the belly or flipping over backwards. I like where your going with yours! More low front weight and overdrive should help. I still think it's gonna take something different to be that go to, have to do this part. I just don't think the start add brass theory works on this buggy.
Took my h10 out today completely stock and was very happy with it !
I modified mine with a Fusion Pro 2300 and a Reefs 777 direct power and put the underdrive gears in the rear and running some aluminum 1.9 wheels with G8 Swampers and squid inserts and brass lock rings in the front. I’m lovin it so far.
Looks great and great video.
Thanks!
Great video. Nice to see some of this vehicles potential.
Team Associated slime is great fir assembling shocks too. Great vid again👍
Love the review as well as letting us know what you did to it. I am definitely a scale truck/ trail truck guy and not much into buggies. However, your couple rollovers really makes me reconsider my likes 😂
Cool truck, I like it! Nice work on the video and the mods. Looking forward to seeing more of it on your channel!
Got the h10… about to drop in revolver classic 1950 kv..
want to do 4s with copperhead…
Looking at reefs brass… raw 500 probably enough for me.. but 777 only $10 more…
Then some 2.2s…
I’m doing a ton of belly dragging.
I got my H10 and I’m loving it
Mines similar to yours except I shortened the rear links 15mm and used high clearance ones. I put 8/33 hardened gears in both axles too before the stock ones broke.
You should try rear steer mullet with a capra axle in the rear it's working real nice
I had considered it but I’d like to keep it straight axle front and rear for a bit more realism. I haven’t built a straight axle rear steer buggy before
@westdesertwheeler2666 there's an old Campbell cj buggy in Michigan that has a mullet rearsteer so it's realistic lol
With the H10 axle being a little wider than the F10, I wonder if I ran .350 hubs on the H10 steer axle and then put .475 hubs on a F10 steer axle if the width would be close enough for 4ws.
Awesome!!!
any chance vanquish will be selling the chassis-cage individualy?
Nice one
I can’t take u seriously with that damn hat on! But I understand is pretty damn hot there… it’s gonna be 94 in Pittsburgh today!
Cool rig, but I'm just getting back into RC and slowly building up my Fordyce. An H10 is way off in the future for me. I love the vids though. Always looking for ideas and love the St. George scenery.
Fordyce is a solid truck I made a trade for my first one but I definitely want another
Bummer, mine ended up with Roswells because I liked the look on your rig.
Great video sir. Love the changes. Any change in Weather of oil? Gonna go RWS as well.
Need to do head to head with a Capra
I can do that
They might look similar but two different trucks, two different purposes.
More similar to Capra than most know. Both flat skid, one portal one not
@@Toodles77 Portals vs. straight axles, 3-gear vs. VFD, machined gears vs. sintered, 4-link vs. 3-link/panhard, etc. Yep, similar, lol!
I’m trying to figure out what to purchase. The Capra 1.9 4ws, an already modified one, or the H10. I really want 4ws cuz my real life jeep is far from such an upgrade. Not sure how important, but looks fun.
H10 working very well now 👍🏾🔥
Would you take the Optic or the Fordyce as RTR offerings from VP? 😀
I’m planning on getting one but not RTR. Waiting for the kit. Why do I want that motor, esc and pathetic servo? And I love build kits!
Hey Logan, im in the process of building a 1/10 scale lgc 4ws crawler from the ground up. Do you have a video of a break down for good recommendations? Or what you would recommend for axles and trans? Thank you!
Any chance of you buulding a buggy and getting out to the We Rock RC comp next year!? Would love to see you compete, the course looked right up your street from Josh and Matts videos!
I usually replace the pinion but leave the spur gear as a weak point, as they’re pretty cheap to replace. Honestly haven’t had to replace one yet and all have brushless systems. Should I be running machined spurs? Aren’t the machined spurs louder too.
What kV revolver you running mate
I'm very interested. But i have WAY to many half built RCs and chassis sitting around. no point even looking till I can clear some of my back log. and that wont be till my full-sized truck is back up and running. But if i can get a hold a set of them axles I wouldn't say no....
Dude my G8s take forever to scrub in! My swampers still have the ribbons that hang off from the mold and they have at least 15 hrs on em….dlux scx10ii brass knuckles bolt right up to the optic just add an extra arm to ur cart!
You need to work with one of these wheel manufacturers and have them make your size wheels! And your size tires!
I usually run no oil in my shocks, less leaks, lol
What weight oil you use? Thanks
Depends somewhere between 40-60 usually
How much would it cost to add rear steer to one of these?
You buy a steer axle kit and servo
What pinion did you end up having to use? I was planning on doing the same swap this weekend but didn’t think the gearing would need to be changed
Buggy looks better with that livery. Swampers putting in the work as well.
it costs to much for me. they need to sell it as a kit because nobody is going to keep the stock motor and esc or servo,we don't want to pay for stuff twice.
I agree I probably won't buy one either way but a lot more tempting as a kit.
Yeah well I spent just $600 OTD for my axial Capra 4ws. Ssd wheels/foams/g8 KRAWLERS/fusions se/pinion gear/brass front box’s/over drive portal gears/40kg Amazon servos/5channel spektrum receiver/dig servo. Hi cleared the stock lower links. You get the point same price tag or more. I guess you have dig and rear steer servo. But all my cars rtr touch that $600-$1k think we’re all used to it by now.
My scx10iii early bronco it’s touching that $800-900 price after mods. Don’t see why people claim this is too much. Name an rtr that has quality electronics that has at least the quality of an scx10iii or a vanquish. I mean no disrespect or hate in this message.
@@CasperRc81losi nightcrawler was a great option as well as the element ecto. Both were at or under $400.
@CasperRc81 Yes, it does cost around $600-$1000. But it shouldn't. $60 in electronics were not going to be used, and on Amazon, you can order all the parts you need and build a super capable crawler for $500. I have been thinking about using an injora fake capra cage,aluminum capra axles,3gear with dig,fusion se1200, injora beadlocks,s5 xhx pin tires with green silicone inserts and will be around $485 and if I used meus nylon portals it would be $450. I know it isn't vanquish quality, but performance per dollar will be way higher, I guess I am just a cheapskate
Rather build something from scratch, something that can be sent without worrying about 💩!!
Logan, What battery are you using?
1400 3S
Cool truck, but there's too much I'd have to replace, and for me, the Capras are set up better, OOTB (4WS/portals). I do appreciate the Vanquish design, especially if it's easier to work on than a Capra. It'll be interesting to see how much of the original truck is left, once your done with your mods. Not much left now, just chassis/links/axles. Do you know how much weight your saving with the Holmes combo, vs a Fusion Pro? Maybe one day I can buy a nice, smooth, sealed, light and torquey crawler motor ESC combo, from a US based company. Thanks for providing a great rock crawler perspective on this new platform. After a hard look, I decided I like my stock VRD Stance RTR enough, after a few runs, to upgrade to a VRD Carbon kit/Fusion Pro set up. Anyone in the Houston area need a lightly used VRD Stance, in silver?
Hey Logan, how narrow did you get the 2.2 to, I guess I should ask what size clamp ring did you end up using?
I think it’s 19mm whatever the shift brass rings are
@@westdesertwheeler thanks man I appreciate it. You have your crawlers setup so well I kinda like to have similar setup, my crawlers are definitely performing better and following your driving tips help as well. Thanks again!
So are the wheels narrower than the new vanquish riot 2.2s?
I believe so
Mountain Havoc build out of one 😮
Why use Holmes motors when they stutter like that compared to a hobbywing fusion that doesn't?
I am running too high of a KV currently it’s what was on the shelf at my hobby shop. If you get the KV and pinion right they’re lighter and smoother than a fusion. ESC is capable of 4S as well which if you have a direct power 4S servo makes it a good choice
I switched out my spur and pinion in my stubby VFD to a 48 pitch and it cleans it up really well. They’re awesome!
The revolver seems to overheat a lot
Great looking truck, performs well but if you want a 'crawler' buy a Capra.
I’ve owned about 7 Capras. Something new to learn about sounds fun
@@westdesertwheeler Yes, you have Logan. Just making a general statement. The H10 can be made to be a good crawler but out of the box, the Capra is the one you want if you're looking for a crawler. The H10 is a great looking truck, just more suited as a trail truck.
Optic vs Capra for up next.
i got the Yokohama one
Steering still suck?
Ofcourse this outrunner doesn't need sensor... it works on f.o.c (field oriented control) which does the same thing what sensor does and inrunners can be sensorless too if there are enough poles on the rotor.. i have the same principal system on my 1/27 mini z 4x4 rubicon.. by furitek..
Stock form I’m not super happy with the h10. It feels like it wants to be a little of everything at once. Not quick enough to be a ultra4 bouncer type and the gearing isn’t super set up for crawling. I wish it came on 2.2s or with high clearance links. I feel like it bellies out on a lot of stuff and ends up negating the wheelbase advantage. All of this can be solved by throwing money at it. Which I will at some point.
Brass brass brass
To a point. It’s only going to help in the front axle. I wouldn’t put it anywhere else
@@westdesertwheeler ha I thought you were going to show the new reefs brass 1100. Totally agree on where to put it. I’m at 62/38 on my VRD and it does pretty nice , I’ve got a new build I’m finishing up and I’ll aim for something like that in it too depending on how it does.
My biggest issue with this truck is its the same price as everything else but they cheaped out on internals big time... i honestly believe a redcat ascent would walk all over this thing.
3:20 so just like this?
dude, this thing as coggy as fuck throughout the whole video
Looks like he needs to go even smaller on the pinion than he did.
I have one
I want a kit
Shoulda been $350-$400. Too expensive.
i know right,,, now you have to spend another $400--$500,servo esc motor tires wheels
Since when is the rc hobby cheap? If you can't afford it then don't buy it. All the bitching about the price is so pathetic.
@@bsfunk44 I like the concept. I don't like the price point. My goal is not to discourage any vehicles of this type it's to encourage lower pricing. If you just boycott it the message to manufacturers isn't clear. At least if the manufacturer ever reads comments they can see what the real complaint is. At the end of the day I'm gonna buy a Capra. Better bang for the buck.
@@CRAZYBUILD349 if you can’t say nothing nice then don’t say nothing at all. Just fun. It is overpriced for something that’s nothing.
The second issue i have is vanquish crying about companies knocking off their products but then they do the same thing to rc speedy, rc speedy pays lisencing to make red dot chassis and vanquish comes out with a plastic copy called an "optic" lol... thats a bit of kettle calling the pot black..
😂😂😂😂 the optic has been in development for over 2 years and went through multiple renditions. Also it doesn't look like RCspeedys' D1 Red Dot. RcSpeedy builds cages, they don't produce any of the drivetrain.
As a company, if they complain that a chinese company will outright steal they're likeness and produce an almost identical product is understandable and not comparable like your statement.