This week is full of specials about South-East Europe, and next Saturdays Weekly Episode will not be any different. Those who have a crystal ball know that something quite dramatic will happen in the week preceding 11 April 1941. If you want to join those who know, you can get access to an exclusive preview of this weeks WW2 episode by joining the TimeGhost Army on www.patreon.com/timeghosthistory or timeghost.tv. Our supporters get early access to the episode there, allowing them a look into the future and us a chance for some exclusive attention for our suporters' comments. Cheers, Joram *RULES OF CONDUCT* STAY CIVIL AND POLITE we will delete any comments with personal insults, or attacks. AVOID PARTISAN POLITICS AS FAR AS YOU CAN we reserve the right to cut off vitriolic debates. HATE SPEECH IN ANY DIRECTION will lead to a ban. RACISM, XENOPHOBIA, OR SLAMMING OF MINORITIES will lead to an immediate ban. PARTISAN REVISIONISM, ESPECIALLY HOLOCAUST AND HOLODOMOR DENIAL will lead to an immediate ban.
Once again..brilliant.. What other history documentary allows its audience to ask questions and get them answered in (almost) real time. I really love what you guys do. I truly hope that in the future this series, the Great War series, the Cold war stuff and the inter-war segments will be recognised as the truly groundbreaking works that they are. THIS is what TH-cam was surely invented for. All I can say is thank you to evrybody that makes all this possible.
I am delighted that you used materials from the Historical Archive in Pancevo, my hometown. You are always welcome as guests, we are only 15 minutes drive from Belgrade.
@@Madhattersinjeans if you have more supporting evidence then you are likelier to be correct, oh person named for a lunatic. Submit a paper with no citations at uni and don't expect a good grade. You suck at figuring out truth, o u madman.
> Citing sources doesn't mean your point is more valid, it just mean you have more supporting evidence Which, since we use academic Consensus for a proof of validation, give said statements more validity. What is your measure for 'Valid' in this case if not from Approved Evidence by the Academic Community? > In Uni you don't get bonus points for citing sources, they are bog standards for any major essay... its like giving a car a high rating because it has wheels Thus why you finish University when you implement that standards. In this example, You will get high rating FROM YOUR MENTOR if you present a car with wheels because your car fulfills the need of the standard of a car. The car may be bad in the eyes of the public; it may be ugly as hell, but your tutor who teach you how to build a car will give you a pass as a Car Maker should you follow the standards of making a car. It does not matter if your Essay is about bad topic or has bad implications in public, what matter in an essay, and ultimately, a Thesis to finish your study, is that your Thesis follows the General rule of Academic Consensus, ergo Using proven evidences that has been peer reviewed as your sources of Thesis. You never need any "Extra points" in University, University isn't like High School where better points will give you a trophy or a ribbon. Your Professor will only look to your diligence, willingness to learn, and your ability to follow standards made by Academic consensus. If you do, you'll get an A and passed the subject with merit. What matters in University is your ability to learn this standard, implement it, and ready to apply it in society as quickly as you can. You get a Cum Laude not because you got a perfect 4.0 GPA... You get it by Finishing University in the fastest time possible with good remarks... There is another saying for finishing University with Great merit (Perfect GPA and by the allotted time), Magna Cum Laude / Summa Cum Laude, but the time measurement still apply. Even if you got a perfect 4.0 GPA, if you finish your Study late, you won't get the title of Cum laude.
Hello Indy and the crew. I've watched your show since the very first episode, and the great war since 1917. I wanted to say I really like your content, it's sad TH-cam doesn't feel the same Can we expect a special video on Romania? You did a between two wars episode on Poland, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia so I think Romania would also fit in. It's also interesting since Romania sent the secound biggest army on the eastern front on axis side. A special video on Hungary and Bulgaria would also be great. Anyways, keep up to good work
Yup. This is a nice little episode. You don't hear about Eastern Europe much is the West outside the fact that Hitler just steamrollered it one year, and that the Soviets steamrollered it after; if you're lucky, Tito might be mentioned.
Guy Souriandt There’s so much about history that has been overshadowed despite it having important effects on regional and global affairs because it‘s not “sexy” to talk about.
@@kostam.1113 Thanking you for pointing that out. The British were more than happy to see the SFR Yugoslavia become the Former SFR Yugoslavia. After the fall of communism in Eastern Europe, Yugoslavia was in the best candidate of all the former communist states for entry into the EU. Of all the East-Euro countries, Yugoslavia had the best economy, the strongest ties to the EU, etc. The British did not want Yugoslavia in the EU because of Yugoslavia's strong economic and cultural ties to Germany. The British thought Yugoslavia in the EU would bring too much power and influence to Germany. Yugoslavia had to die for that reason.
@@MrSloika LOL. You are either delusional or misinformed. Yugoslavia was just another post-communist basket case and a power-keg of ethnic tensions. NO ONE in the EU wanted to touch that least they be on the hook for preventing/fighting/refereeing the imminent civil war instead of just cleaning up the aftermath.
@@MrSloika Where did you get that information? Why the fuck would EU want to have a country that is both has dictatorship and communism(socialism)? It doesn't make sense in any way.
I love how fast and accurate you guys report back with the facts. Either way, the way you guys and girl, tell both sides of the story is like none other I’ve seen. So much knowledge
As a Serb i'll tell you this, imagine if you will it's 1941, you are living in Serbia, chances are very high that you, your father and/grandfather fought/died in the Great War. Imagine knowing the horrors that you and your people suffered by the hands of Austrian and German solders and the exodus over Albanian mountains and fighting side by side with the Greeks and French in Salonica. Then your king comes and tells you that Germans are your friends, that the wish you no harm if you just move to the side and let them conquer Greece, a country that sheltered and feed and treated you and your fellow solders, your brothers in arms and in faith. Imagine all that and tell me how you feel. That's your origin of the coup.
@@hatsuhioki9361 Thats not true, you autosovinist idiot. Serb economy and is bad because Serbs for a very long time have been resisting the NWO agenda, and thus, had to be destroyed.
@Kit it's not that the treaty was an act of friendship. Did you watch the bio of Prince Paul from a few days ago? He went to university in Britian and Prince Albert (later George VI) was best man at his wedding. So obviously he's close to the royal house and has some affirnaty with the country. But he's obviously in charge of Yugoslavia in this episode...so... My comment was meant to be a little tongue in cheek. I imagine George VI probably wanted to be able to help his personal friend but Britain was strapped to the limit and it wasn't really George's decision to make anyways.
@Kit , Yugoslav Prince Paul and Yugoslav Government bagged Brits and Soviets for military help to refuse Hitler`s ultimatum but Ambassadors Campbell and Plotnikov was silent. Only British General Deal? offered only gasoline to Yugoslav Royal Army.
@@hannahskipper2764 you know History. Not only that Prince Pavle had best man in London but he also was great anglophil. Anybody read the Treaty which signed in Wien in March 25, 1941. ?
2:51 that piece of film with Hitler and his generals is in literally every ww2 documentary out there. Does anyone know when that film was actually shot and what map they're looking at? Invasion of Poland? Battle of France?
The earliest example of that clip ("Hitler conferring with officers") that I found was a short German film entitled "Outbreak of War / Battle of the Netherlands." It was recorded May 9-10, 1940.
Luv u Indie! You are responsible for a severe lack of sleep on my part because I keep watching the next episode, then the next episode, then the next episode. Ad Infinitum!
Thank you for this episode. IN the previous video I commented that the coup was not organized by the British and many denied my claim. Apparently you need to post a source so people would believe it. Hope some of this clears the name of Serbian people as many would label us as warmongers and such. We just love our freedom, and seems like it might be our downfall. Keep up the good work.
Spartacus chose that on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
World War Two didn’t the cost of arms and flag remain the same after the coup? It was the the same dynasty the house of Serbia I won’t attempt to spell the name, but yea that doesn’t really make sense because the cost of arms and dynasty remained the same after the coup. Hell even the monarch remained the same after the coup, Paul was just a regent
Hey! Spartacus chose that on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
@@TheLocalLt , Serbian Dyinasty Karadjordjevic. Dynasty founded the Leader of Serbian Revolution 1804 : Djorjde Petrovic better known as Karadjordje ( on Turkish "Black or Scary George" ). Son of King Peter II is Crown Prince Aleksandar II who do not speak Serbian(?!).
I was really sad because the Great War show ended, so i was rewatching old great video’s for nostalgia. Then I got this recommended, so happy 4 years of new content
Itto Itto it’s on another channel, TimeGhost, which is Indy’s production company that does BTW and WWII. The original TGW channel (which has separate ownership) has tried to compete with BTW by hiring a new host and producing episodes about the post-war era, but Between 2 Wars is Indy’s interwar show.
My father was a Lieutenant in the Royal Guards at the time and involved in the coup with his commanding officer Knezevic. There is a photo of him escorting the deposed Prime Minister of the time down Parliament steps, in the French Magazine The World (La Monde).
Great demonstrations in Belgrade soon after the coup showed that people were against the pact. People and the army represented patriotic power in society (memories from war with the germans were still strong as well as feelings for old allies British and especially French)
Well, that feeling was only among Serbs, who tbh were only people patriotic to that Kingdom. Considering other nations, for most of them Kingdom of Yugoslavia was just a prison, so there was no need to defend that country and also they were mainly in WW1 on Central Powers side. Greetings
Memestlord, Historeeb The Great I think we didnt In Slovenia almost all population is Slovene by nationality so if you say slovenia it can also mean slovenes But Vojvodina was composed of Serbs, Magyars, Germans etc serbs fought against Magyars and Germans So in this case you can't say Vojvodina fought on any side, it was just a region though not a national state
Thank you. Spartacus and Astrid took some extra time while in lockdown to create a new look with new lights and some different ideas, like the blinds with light from the outside,
Astrid changed the set a little bit and I moved some stuff out of the studio so that I had more place and could use a longer lens, with the new lighting I could go down to the lowest ISO setting, that way I could also take the shutter down yet another step. The combination of these two measures leads to more precise focus and less digital grain, which is why Indy looks 'crisper' - the focal length also makes the background slightly out of focus and this helps when we compress for TH-cam as the h.264 compressor has slightly less detail to fuss with. You can thank COVID-19 for this as it was because of Indy's forced longer stay that we had time to experiment a little.
Policing them would prove a drain on the Axis resources though. The Brits had the memory of the Spanish guerrilla against Napoleon in mind as well as some taste of their own of how exhausting counter-insurgency can be - against the Boers in South Africa as well as the Irish... They knew what they were realistically aiming for.
They might do that on TGH if B2W gets a second series Series 1 already looked at France, Germany, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, China, Poland, the USSR, China and Japan to varying extents
I know this is down the road but are you ever going to do a video on who really killed Tsar Boris III? Considering there is 4 possibilities I’ve heard of.
In the court of spoiler u hereby stand convicted of spoiling the bulgarian home front n hence subjected to rigorous writing of spoiling. The court stand adjourned.
Astrid changed the set a little bit and I moved some stuff out of the studio so that I had more place and could use a longer lens, with the new lighting I could go down to the lowest ISO setting, that way I could also take the shutter down yet another step. The combination of these two measures leads to more precise focus and less digital grain, which is why Indy looks 'crisper' - the focal length also makes the background slightly out of focus and this helps when we compress for TH-cam as the h.264 compressor has slightly less detail to fuss with. You can thank COVID-19 for this as it was because of Indy's forced longer stay that we had time to experiment a little.
Oh for sure! You guys have always done a good job with the camerawork and set blocking, but I think it really comes together here. The framing altogether is excellent, and gives Indy a bit more... gravitas? I’m not quite sure how to describe it, but the angle makes it feel like the viewer is just on the other side of that desk with him. Especially as the camera is at his eye level. In any case, great work as always! At least this whole mess has let you guys experiment more, hope you and the crew continue staying safe!
Just pure !!!!!!!!!!!!! Well just pure FANTASTIC HISTORY At it's best !!! This channel goes beyond fantastic they should be knighted for what they do... WELL DONE YET AGAIN YOU LOT !!!!!!!!!!! Know do I get the clock ?????????????
@@xhekxhdsj532 Pula and Zadar (really very heavy destroyed) were not Croatian but Italian towns. Zadar was never in Yugoslavia or Croatia (not existing as independent state since 11. century) until 1945. Maribor was a town in Germay during WWII. In fact, having 50-50% agreement about influence in post/war Yugoslavia (Churchill - Stalin) Britains were bombing only the towns in Eastern part ("soviet zone") of Yugoslavia (in fact in Serbia), and Italian and German towns on the West - Croatia
You know what you guys are missing on your WWII set? A Console floor standing Short wave radio. We are currently in 1941 and I think a short wave radio would be an amazing addition to the WWII setting. I don't know where it could be placed on the set. There are tabletop short wave radios but a floor model would just make your set more authentic, in my opinion. I don't know if anyone has suggested this before. I certainly don't mean to tell you how to "do" your job. You guys are awesome; keep doing what you're doing.
Thanks Indy and team for another informative episode . I don't know much about this episodes topic but . From my reading MI 5 and 6 despised SOE and didn't work with them . ( well) I do think they betrayed SOE agents in France and the Netherlands to the NAZIs .. but as far as I can tell ..no Englishmen.( That is a specific term.) I've ranted on this before.. I really would like to see your team try to include what Allied (Usually British) Intel knew from ULTRA and their own interpretations . This "unknown" info was surly important to many decisions. I have never seen any history of WW2 try to include this in day to day events as it must have then.
The British participation in this coup sounds like another version of what Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin once said, "There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader."
@@hopeindarktimes9535 considering the other resistance movement are traitors in the end. The commies are a better alternative. Tito has balls like Alexander with a Yugoslav out look rather than a Serb one, in danger of multiple nations invading Yugoslavia but still took the chance at ridiculing them
Please specify what was offered to Yugoslavia by Germany. Apparently German generals were upset with Hitler granting Yugoslavia almost same status as Switzerland? If that is true, Brits definitely organized coup as Yugoslavs had no reason to go against Goliath.
Astrid changed the set a little bit and I moved some stuff out of the studio so that I had more place and could use a longer lens, with the new lighting I could go down to the lowest ISO setting, that way I could also take the shutter down yet another step. The combination of these two measures leads to more precise focus and less digital grain, which is why Indy looks 'crisper' - the focal length also makes the background slightly out of focus and this helps when we compress for TH-cam as the h.264 compressor has slightly less detail to fuss with. You can thank COVID-19 for this as it was because of Indy's forced longer stay that we had time to experiment a little.
Thanks for this episode- I was literally about to post a comment on the other episode along the lines of , "Hey, what about the British involvement we always here about during the coup?"
*The British post an advertisement on Craigslist: Yugoslavia.* "Looking for anyone in the Yugoslavian government to lead a potential coup d'etat. Potential to receive financial and/or military aid. This can be discussed at a later date - hopefully before the Germans invade. If interested, please contact the SOE office in Belgrade."
Yes they did. The Nazis were Yugoslavia's open enemies and that's cool because you know what to expect. But the allies (British and French) betrayed Yugoslavia forgeting Serbian merits in the great war. I don't refer to this coup because Yugoslavia did't belong with the axis, but rather to agreeing with Tito's seizing the power after the war. Even though the royal family are cousins with the British royal family, they just didn't care and let the communists take over. Plus during the 90's EU had its role in heightening the internal conflicts by secretly supporting the extreme separatistic parties and pushing this beautiful country into pandemonium. So I always respect my enemies more than the enemies who pretend to be my friends and british policy was everything but good spirited towards Yugoslavia.
"According to the British major general and historian I. S. O. Playfair, the coup was essentially a brave gesture of defiance, mainly by Serbs, against the German domination signified by signing of the Tripartite Pact, undertaken in the full knowledge that invasion would likely follow. It was also, according to the historian Alexander Prusin, an "utter blunder, based on wishful thinking and emotions rather than a realistic appreciation of the country's limited economic and military potential". Sue Onslow, in a bid to place the coup in the broader context of the British policy towards Yugoslavia between the outbreak of the Second World War and the events on 27 March 1941, writes that the coup was a major propaganda victory for Britain, as it "proved tremendous, if ephemeral, boost to British morale, coming rapidly upon the victories against Italian forces in North Africa and the Sudan"; it also was "a much-needed fillip to the 'upstart'." - wiki. We know well how that worked out for them. Someone already said... for the Yugoslavs the WW2 really didn't conclude until the violent breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s.
4:41 it's a matter of priming the pump (spoiler alert: it is a blood pump). Dynamite and a few pistols, whereby the partisans then capture arms from the enemy. All effective partisan movements are largely armed from their enemies armoury.
Love a good bit of debunking. This kind of content is really import as there is so many myths and so much misinformation around this war and many others.
Yugoslavian history is beyond intresting and it's perhaps the only region more geopolitically complex than the Israel-Palestine conflict. You did a phenomenal job presenting it, well done!
This is still just a speculation, we will see in a few decades when the SOE archives open what really happened. I feel there are a lot of things about WW2 just waiting in a drawer of an archive somewhere. :)
Glad that you mentioned the British aim to disrupt German oil supplies from Romania. The Germans essentially invaded Greece simply because they could not take the risk of the RAF bombing these oilfields when the Soviet oil supplies were on the verge of drying up with Barbarossa. Some say that if the right wing nationalist PM Metaxas had remained alive, Greece would have negotiated a more neutral stance throughout WWII. As it was his successor was more easily influenced by British meddling in the region. Frankly, Churchill's idea of a grand Turkish/Greek/Yugoslavian alliance against the Germans was amongst his more delusional proposals.
I'm really interested to see the episodes about Draža Milhailović and Operation Halyard, where 500 Americans were rescued by Chetnik forces (who have had quite a history trying to balance British and American support/German truces/Anti-partisian activities) Also, maybe could you guys do a special on King Michael I of Romania and his 1944 coup when you get there?
German truces? It was more like first indirect (through Nedic, than Italy and even Independent State of Croatia) and than direct alliance with Germany, with few and local episodes of actual clashes with Germans without any significance for Allied eforts.
@@BokicaK1 some commanders tried to cooperate with Germans for anti partisan activities, while I dont believe Milhailović himself participated in the collaborations. That was a problem, Milhailović couldn't always keep full control over his commanders
@@michaelpaz8226 what do you know on meeting in village Divci 1941? What do you know on Gornje Lipovo speech from 1943? What do you know on meeting between Nedić and Mihailović in village Ražana near Kosjerić in August 1944?
@Вишеслав. не сери, лепотане. Веруј или још горе слушај глупље од себе, далеко ћеш догурати. Не шалим се, имаш потенцијала да будеш роб у име српске мафије. Боље ти не треба нит заслужујеш.
Britain of course just makes the situation worse by meddling in foreign politics, should have let Yugoslavia choose their own path, it would have likely saved many lives in Belgrade.
It is incredibly difficult to keep track of the complexity of Yugoslav politics. When you add British foreign affairs and intelligence into the mix it becomes a complete mess where I'm not sure who is on what side anymore.
Balkan is like that.Even today countries are being used and moved like a pawn.The mentality of the people is the problem.Not to mentiom lack of wisdom,greed,coruption.
The British organized a trip to the Balkans at that time of William Donovan who later founded the OSS. He told Balkan leaders that eventually the usa would enter the war, so don't bet on the Germans
@@Southsideindy Aside from the lighting, I also noticed the change of camera angle and focal length (more wider). Also, the editing feels different, and you look more crisper than usual.
@@Biker_Gremling Astrid changed the set a little bit and I moved some stuff out of the studio so that I had more place and could use a longer lens, with the new lighting I could go down to the lowest ISO setting, that way I could also take the shutter down yet another step. The combination of these two measures leads to more precise focus and less digital grain, which is why Indy looks 'crisper' - the focal length also makes the background slightly out of focus and this helps when we compress for TH-cam as the h.264 compressor has slightly less detail to fuss with. You can thank COVID-19 for this as it was because of Indy's forced longer stay that we had time to experiment a little.
No, no I chose that on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
The article dates from 1977 not 2017. And there is not a single reference dating after 1977. Plus the author said that there is no probability of opening the SOE arhives in the near or middle future.
Meetings between Brithish inteligence officials and later leaders of the coup, that took place, three and two days before the coup, of which there is no record of are clear indication that British inteligence agencies give everything in they power in order to provoke the coup. However the most intresting thing happened after the coup. New government with Simovic as primeminister, after realising that British will not move their expeditionary force of 100k soldiers from Salonica in aid to Yugoslavia, they sue for peace to Germany and said that Tripartie contract will stand. However Germany was on deaf ears and immediatly started preparing for invasion. Sure there was a great anti Nazi sentiment in Serbia at that time, especially amongst Serbs, however in that time apart from Italy much of the Europe was already invaded. In a hindsight even if this events brought Serbs demize in WW2 and a lot of hardship that was a right thing to do. It is not that Brits sold out Serbs only in 1941, they also sold them again in 1943 in Teheran and again in 1944 and finally in 1945 at the very end same as Poles. I know that is hard now to look back at that discisons made in history and find alibi for them but life is often simple but hard. You usually can do eithier smart thing or the right thing, not much more then that. I'm proud of my people that in every period of history we always did the right thing, no mater how great was a opposing force.
Respect! clear and sensible. That.... 100K?? Brits in Thessaloniki, where is that from? I have never been able to verify ''the'' number. The Greeks barely say that they were any Brits there, for the obvious reasons!!.. No matter what, only the New Zealanders put up a fight at Vive, south of Monastir.. The rest headed, real fast, for Cape Matapan and sunny Crete..... in May at all its glory..!! That vacation was cut short, however, by the luftwaffe and they headed, south still, to even warmer climates. Only to return 3.3 years later, with the king in tow (after he abandoned Greece with the treasury gold - on brit ships), stirring up discourse among the natives, again! no wonder Harry got the hell out of Dodge!!!
@@yiannimil1 Some authors argue that there was 61-62k same count up to 120K. My main point is that the British army was present in Greece, yet they weren't present in Yugoslavia. Either way nor Greece nor Yugoslavia have any real help from them and yet we were pushed against the mightiest army in the world at that time.
9:11 Campbell was very much right. The governemt was at that point predominantly serb, with croats and other minorities having little to no say. "Yugoslav" was just a nickname for serb until Tito took over and redefining the word. When refering to Yugoslavia in the future, please, refer everyone by their ethnicities and not "Yugoslav" as it is very misleading due to the lack of unity surrounding that word. Otherwise, great video!
Yeah, even as a Serb myself, too many Serbians were in high positions back then. It was actually Greater Serbia just masked under the radar of Yugoslavia.
Politically, all minorities had proportional impact in the government and thats what caused very unstable governments between 1922-1941, and that made King Alexander proclaim the dictatorship (very unpopular move in the eyes of every party in Yugoslavia). Parlaiment was a mess, with a lot of scheming between major national parties in order to form the majority to vote on anything. On the other hand, military, and especially the officers, were dominated by Serbs and that enabled the British to use them as a base for a coup, since there was no other force able to counter them in case of them taking over. But, its wrong to say the that the government was Serb controlled, quite the oposite, as 2 major power houses in the parlaiment, Croat HRSS party and Serbian Radicals, always had to relly on other minor parties votes in order to push for their agendas (Slovene and Muslim parties for example).
@@borisdrakula8489 That is an outright lie, you yourself admitted that Yugoslavia became a dictatorship when the other nations, like the Croats, got "too" much power. Let me guess: this is all democracy's and the Croats' fault, isn't it?
@Marko Djokovic What are you even talking about Tito's closest were a bunch of Serbs and Montenegrins and the Serbs were overrepresented in membership of the communist party. In Croatia they were the majority even though they were 12.5% of the population. The whole reason why it fell was because the Serbian domination alienated literally everyone else except for the Montenegrins.
I really like this studio setup, but I think it would work best for specials and not weekly episodes. It feels like Indy is sitting at the same table as me, telling stories about people and nations all over the world, if you get what I mean.
@@WorldWarTwo I was stupid in my comment heh. I rewatched the previous episodes and... it's very similar, so I'm a bit embarrassed for making my comment the way it is heh. The main difference it the lack of clutter on the desk, which made me feel the way it did. The main series's desk is chaotic, like the war is, with a lot of stuff everywhere (but it still has a sense of organisation), and this one is very clean, with only the book and the phones visible, giving it the eye-to-eye feel. I hope I conveyed that well
Spartacus chose that on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
@@WorldWarTwo With all due respect ,you are a very respected channel, I watched your ww1 video series regularly and now I'm watching ww2 and between the wars series , but this time you are making a mistake. As a historian your duty is to project the facts about the past, not political correctness. You can see on the internet or in literature how the real coat of arms looked like (I am aware the it can trigger some negative reactions from some members of the public, but we can not change history). Second about the coup ,the protesters weren't against the royal government, they were only against joining the axis (People didn't want to be allies with their enemies from ww1 who did atrocities) . The royal house was still seen as a factor of stability and unity so they just replaced prince Paul Karađorđević with the young at that moment king Peter II Karađorđević. Best regards for you and your team members.
Milan Pavlovic with all due respect, we aspire to catch interest with our thumbnails and we aspire to accuracy in our episodes. If we make our thumbs into works of academia, they will never work to make sure the episodes get seen. We didn’t mean to imply in the previous comment that the rebels where anti-monarchist, or motivated by anything else than an anti-axis stance. We only pointed out that it was Prince Paul’s government they had to overthrow, since that government entered into the deal.
I chose a fantasy coat of arms on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
@@spartacus-olsson I don't see how removing a regent to bring a underage king to power is "against the royal government", and one could say that the coup was driven by a specific faction - the army/airforce. Though I have to admit, that the fictional flag looks better than the actual flag from the period.
Point taken but can you really expect Germany to just accept that Britain is in fact meddling in Yugoslavia and then there is in fact a coup? It would be irresponsible to just assume Yugoslavia is going to remain neutral. Counterfactually if Britain had not been meddling in Yugoslavia at all, then perhaps a reasonable German response could have been to ignore Yugoslavia and expect them to remain staunchly neutral. British meddling, directly or indirectly, put Germany in a position where they had to secure the region against British interference (similar to Norway).
I think this example teaches us a lot about correlation not being causation. It's entirely possible that the British planned a coup, but the Yugoslavs started their own independent of those plans.
Great source, great episode. However I must (once again) point out that South Serbia in 1941 is not the place that you are pointing. And one more thing, the first Yugoslav minister that resigned (Konstantinović) was not on the British parole (the other two were).
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A video on the suspicious death of Metaxas would be interesting, don't you think?
Will there be a 085 week video?
SOE = SPECIAL Operations Executive
הראל כליפא !of course there will be
Once again..brilliant..
What other history documentary allows its audience to ask questions and get them answered in (almost) real time. I really love what you guys do. I truly hope that in the future this series, the Great War series, the Cold war stuff and the inter-war segments will be recognised as the truly groundbreaking works that they are. THIS is what TH-cam was surely invented for.
All I can say is thank you to evrybody that makes all this possible.
I am delighted that you used materials from the Historical Archive in Pancevo, my hometown. You are always welcome as guests, we are only 15 minutes drive from Belgrade.
And they should come, as soon as this crisis ends.
@ronin sai Thank you.
Potato Juice obviously after these trying times
@@andmos1001 Cheers from Pancevo!
Nisam znao da nas je ovoliko Pancevaca
1) Cites sources 2) Examines in depth an amazing obscure and important overlooked aspect of the war.
A+
No extra credit points this time though because there wasn't a spider.
Thanks prof!
@@WorldWarTwo You're welcome. Here's a Chinese finger gun for the troubles.
th-cam.com/video/sprhNMHVF6M/w-d-xo.html
Use sparingly.
@@Madhattersinjeans if you have more supporting evidence then you are likelier to be correct, oh person named for a lunatic.
Submit a paper with no citations at uni and don't expect a good grade.
You suck at figuring out truth, o u madman.
> Citing sources doesn't mean your point is more valid, it just mean you have more supporting evidence
Which, since we use academic Consensus for a proof of validation, give said statements more validity. What is your measure for 'Valid' in this case if not from Approved Evidence by the Academic Community?
> In Uni you don't get bonus points for citing sources, they are bog standards for any major essay... its like giving a car a high rating because it has wheels
Thus why you finish University when you implement that standards. In this example, You will get high rating FROM YOUR MENTOR if you present a car with wheels because your car fulfills the need of the standard of a car. The car may be bad in the eyes of the public; it may be ugly as hell, but your tutor who teach you how to build a car will give you a pass as a Car Maker should you follow the standards of making a car.
It does not matter if your Essay is about bad topic or has bad implications in public, what matter in an essay, and ultimately, a Thesis to finish your study, is that your Thesis follows the General rule of Academic Consensus, ergo Using proven evidences that has been peer reviewed as your sources of Thesis.
You never need any "Extra points" in University, University isn't like High School where better points will give you a trophy or a ribbon. Your Professor will only look to your diligence, willingness to learn, and your ability to follow standards made by Academic consensus. If you do, you'll get an A and passed the subject with merit. What matters in University is your ability to learn this standard, implement it, and ready to apply it in society as quickly as you can. You get a Cum Laude not because you got a perfect 4.0 GPA... You get it by Finishing University in the fastest time possible with good remarks... There is another saying for finishing University with Great merit (Perfect GPA and by the allotted time), Magna Cum Laude / Summa Cum Laude, but the time measurement still apply. Even if you got a perfect 4.0 GPA, if you finish your Study late, you won't get the title of Cum laude.
Hello Indy and the crew. I've watched your show since the very first episode, and the great war since 1917. I wanted to say I really like your content, it's sad TH-cam doesn't feel the same
Can we expect a special video on Romania? You did a between two wars episode on Poland, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia so I think Romania would also fit in. It's also interesting since Romania sent the secound biggest army on the eastern front on axis side.
A special video on Hungary and Bulgaria would also be great.
Anyways, keep up to good work
Să sperăm
Hey Stefan! Thanks for all your support, and yes we will be covering countries that generally receive less attention in the second series of B2W!
@@WorldWarTwo wow a seson two. That's enaugh to get my hyped
This is a great show and a great subject
it's important we record history now to our best abilities, because if we don't in future they will make stuff up
Cheers!
These kinds of videos going in-depth in little known behind the scenes affairs is why I love your channels!
Yup. This is a nice little episode. You don't hear about Eastern Europe much is the West outside the fact that Hitler just steamrollered it one year, and that the Soviets steamrollered it after; if you're lucky, Tito might be mentioned.
Guy Souriandt There’s so much about history that has been overshadowed despite it having important effects on regional and global affairs because it‘s not “sexy” to talk about.
British involvement was more like a dude with a stick poking people already willing to do something.
Same happened in the 90s
@@kostam.1113 Thanking you for pointing that out. The British were more than happy to see the SFR Yugoslavia become the Former SFR Yugoslavia. After the fall of communism in Eastern Europe, Yugoslavia was in the best candidate of all the former communist states for entry into the EU. Of all the East-Euro countries, Yugoslavia had the best economy, the strongest ties to the EU, etc. The British did not want Yugoslavia in the EU because of Yugoslavia's strong economic and cultural ties to Germany. The British thought Yugoslavia in the EU would bring too much power and influence to Germany. Yugoslavia had to die for that reason.
@@MrSloika LOL. You are either delusional or misinformed. Yugoslavia was just another post-communist basket case and a power-keg of ethnic tensions. NO ONE in the EU wanted to touch that least they be on the hook for preventing/fighting/refereeing the imminent civil war instead of just cleaning up the aftermath.
MrSloika Ummm, Yugoslavia was a communist dictatorship before it dissolved into civil war and thus wouldn’t have qualified for EU membership...
@@MrSloika Where did you get that information? Why the fuck would EU want to have a country that is both has dictatorship and communism(socialism)? It doesn't make sense in any way.
I love how fast and accurate you guys report back with the facts. Either way, the way you guys and girl, tell both sides of the story is like none other I’ve seen. So much knowledge
I love how Conrad hotzendorf is STILL in the back(ww1 lives on guys)
+Diego conde Pineiro
What, you don't have him on your wall? WEIRDO!
He's an omnipresent entity. Him and old Luigi (Cadorna)
No im sorry
@@markhenley3097 that is commitmend
@@markhenley3097 Some say that while the whole world is isolating from COVID-19, Cadorna is having another go at the Isonzo.
Thanks for all the great videos guys, been watching since the great war, keep up the great work
Thanks!
As a Serb i'll tell you this, imagine if you will it's 1941, you are living in Serbia, chances are very high that you, your father and/grandfather fought/died in the Great War. Imagine knowing the horrors that you and your people suffered by the hands of Austrian and German solders and the exodus over Albanian mountains and fighting side by side with the Greeks and French in Salonica. Then your king comes and tells you that Germans are your friends, that the wish you no harm if you just move to the side and let them conquer Greece, a country that sheltered and feed and treated you and your fellow solders, your brothers in arms and in faith. Imagine all that and tell me how you feel.
That's your origin of the coup.
That partially explains why less or more openly pro-fascist and pro-German parties (e.g. Zbor) had narrow support among Serbs.
As a Greek, I must admit that it was a very nice comment!!! Greetings to all Serbians!!!
Th3Ub3rL33t Pa, platili smo glavama misleći tako.
@@hatsuhioki9361 Thats not true, you autosovinist idiot. Serb economy and is bad because Serbs for a very long time have been resisting the NWO agenda, and thus, had to be destroyed.
@@Србскихајдук I dalje placamo...
Prince Paul to Britian: I thought we were friends, man!
Britian: So did the French and we blew up their Navy.
Ha, ha, ha :-D A good one!
@Kit it's not that the treaty was an act of friendship. Did you watch the bio of Prince Paul from a few days ago? He went to university in Britian and Prince Albert (later George VI) was best man at his wedding. So obviously he's close to the royal house and has some affirnaty with the country. But he's obviously in charge of Yugoslavia in this episode...so...
My comment was meant to be a little tongue in cheek. I imagine George VI probably wanted to be able to help his personal friend but Britain was strapped to the limit and it wasn't really George's decision to make anyways.
@Kit , Yugoslav Prince Paul and Yugoslav Government bagged Brits and Soviets for military help to refuse Hitler`s ultimatum but Ambassadors Campbell and Plotnikov was silent. Only British General Deal? offered only gasoline to Yugoslav Royal Army.
@@hannahskipper2764 you know History. Not only that Prince Pavle had best man in London but he also was great
anglophil. Anybody read the Treaty which signed in Wien in March 25, 1941. ?
@@borkokostic8290 no I've not read it.
2:51 that piece of film with Hitler and his generals is in literally every ww2 documentary out there. Does anyone know when that film was actually shot and what map they're looking at? Invasion of Poland? Battle of France?
Aren't you thinking of the one with Hitler and Manstein?
@@Kaiser_Johan The one at the time stamp above. I sadly don't know Manstein by sight.
The earliest example of that clip ("Hitler conferring with officers") that I found was a short German film entitled "Outbreak of War / Battle of the Netherlands." It was recorded May 9-10, 1940.
@@voidcadet thanks for the info was interested because you see that clip all the time.
@@voidcadet I've been curious about this as well. Thanks for the answer and thanks to Black Prince for the question.
Luv u Indie! You are responsible for a severe lack of sleep on my part because I keep watching the next episode, then the next episode, then the next episode. Ad Infinitum!
For a second I thought it was Saturday
same here lmao
Yeah... Time has stopped making any sense anymore...
Nice in depth episode. One of the best you guys ever made. I liked the close up, to. Keep up and stay safe! A big hug from Uruguay.
Thanks! You too!
Thank you for this episode. IN the previous video I commented that the coup was not organized by the British and many denied my claim. Apparently you need to post a source so people would believe it.
Hope some of this clears the name of Serbian people as many would label us as warmongers and such.
We just love our freedom, and seems like it might be our downfall. Keep up the good work.
Greetings. You used wrong coat of arms of Kingdom of Yugoslavia on video background. You used one of the modern conceptual redesigns.
Spartacus chose that on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
World War Two didn’t the cost of arms and flag remain the same after the coup? It was the the same dynasty the house of Serbia I won’t attempt to spell the name, but yea that doesn’t really make sense because the cost of arms and dynasty remained the same after the coup. Hell even the monarch remained the same after the coup, Paul was just a regent
Hey! Spartacus chose that on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
@@WorldWarTwo pretty good choice the new one looks way better
@@TheLocalLt , Serbian Dyinasty Karadjordjevic. Dynasty founded the Leader of Serbian Revolution 1804 :
Djorjde Petrovic better known as Karadjordje ( on Turkish "Black or Scary George" ). Son of King Peter II
is Crown Prince Aleksandar II who do not speak Serbian(?!).
I was really sad because the Great War show ended, so i was rewatching old great video’s for nostalgia. Then I got this recommended, so happy 4 years of new content
Itto Itto there’s a between 2 wars show as well that Indy does it just ended yesterday actually
TheLocalLt On TGW channel? Or on a different channel, what is it called
Itto Itto it’s on another channel, TimeGhost, which is Indy’s production company that does BTW and WWII. The original TGW channel (which has separate ownership) has tried to compete with BTW by hiring a new host and producing episodes about the post-war era, but Between 2 Wars is Indy’s interwar show.
@Itto Itto here: th-cam.com/channels/LfMmOriSyPbd5JhHpnj4Ng.html
Outstanding episode, great use of the source material. This is the first time I have gone in to read the source
My father was a Lieutenant in the Royal Guards at the time and involved in the coup with his commanding officer Knezevic. There is a photo of him escorting the deposed Prime Minister of the time down Parliament steps, in the French Magazine The World (La Monde).
Great demonstrations in Belgrade soon after the coup showed that people were against the pact. People and the army represented patriotic power in society (memories from war with the germans were still strong as well as feelings for old allies British and especially French)
Well, that feeling was only among Serbs, who tbh were only people patriotic to that Kingdom. Considering other nations, for most of them Kingdom of Yugoslavia was just a prison, so there was no need to defend that country and also they were mainly in WW1 on Central Powers side. Greetings
Nermin Husanovic yes, thats true
Also, those who fought on central powers side in WWI were the same one who fought on Nazi side in WWII
Greetings
Memestlord, Historeeb The Great when I said those I was thinking on nations (Croats, Muslims), not territories
For Slovenia ur right
Memestlord, Historeeb The Great I think we didnt
In Slovenia almost all population is Slovene by nationality so if you say slovenia it can also mean slovenes
But Vojvodina was composed of Serbs, Magyars, Germans etc serbs fought against Magyars and Germans
So in this case you can't say Vojvodina fought on any side, it was just a region though not a national state
Memestlord, Historeeb The Great yeah perhaps
Cheers
I really like this set and camera position, my favourite one so far
Thank you. Spartacus and Astrid took some extra time while in lockdown to create a new look with new lights and some different ideas, like the blinds with light from the outside,
Astrid changed the set a little bit and I moved some stuff out of the studio so that I had more place and could use a longer lens, with the new lighting I could go down to the lowest ISO setting, that way I could also take the shutter down yet another step. The combination of these two measures leads to more precise focus and less digital grain, which is why Indy looks 'crisper' - the focal length also makes the background slightly out of focus and this helps when we compress for TH-cam as the h.264 compressor has slightly less detail to fuss with. You can thank COVID-19 for this as it was because of Indy's forced longer stay that we had time to experiment a little.
And at the end both Yugoslavia and Greece were overrun by Germans in a metter of few weeks.. Good job Britain..
Policing them would prove a drain on the Axis resources though. The Brits had the memory of the Spanish guerrilla against Napoleon in mind as well as some taste of their own of how exhausting counter-insurgency can be - against the Boers in South Africa as well as the Irish... They knew what they were realistically aiming for.
@@VersusARCH Yes british would sell the entire european continent to a sea of blood if it meant they were still safe on their island
I'm learning so much from this video's. An absolutely great source of information on this platform.
How nice that Britain was willing to defend Greece to the last Serb.
More interesting things coming in Yugoslavia, can't wait to see some of them covered in weekly episodes.
Are you guys going to do the country specials like you did with the Great war?
I sincerely hope so.
They might do that on TGH if B2W gets a second series
Series 1 already looked at France, Germany, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, China, Poland, the USSR, China and Japan to varying extents
In B2W season 2, we'll look at a wider range of countries in the interwar years!
When you're planning a coup for so long, someone else does it for you.
This was awesome. One of the better episodes.
Thanks!
Such a great show, thanks Indy, once again.
Thanks a lot! You're welcome!
@@WorldWarTwo , you are not have prejudice. Bravo.
I know this is down the road but are you ever going to do a video on who really killed Tsar Boris III? Considering there is 4 possibilities I’ve heard of.
Dude spoiler alert!
Ravi Kashyap Buhbuhbuhbuh. Don’t tempt me. I haven’t said *who*
In the court of spoiler u hereby stand convicted of spoiling the bulgarian home front n hence subjected to rigorous writing of spoiling. The court stand adjourned.
Amazing stuff. Thank you guys! I'm form former yougoslavia, did quite a read on these years and had no idea about this inceridble happenig.
You're welcome! Cheers!
I think it was the change in camera angle, but this video just looks really good! The lighting as well is on point!
Astrid changed the set a little bit and I moved some stuff out of the studio so that I had more place and could use a longer lens, with the new lighting I could go down to the lowest ISO setting, that way I could also take the shutter down yet another step. The combination of these two measures leads to more precise focus and less digital grain, which is why Indy looks 'crisper' - the focal length also makes the background slightly out of focus and this helps when we compress for TH-cam as the h.264 compressor has slightly less detail to fuss with. You can thank COVID-19 for this as it was because of Indy's forced longer stay that we had time to experiment a little.
Oh for sure! You guys have always done a good job with the camerawork and set blocking, but I think it really comes together here. The framing altogether is excellent, and gives Indy a bit more... gravitas? I’m not quite sure how to describe it, but the angle makes it feel like the viewer is just on the other side of that desk with him. Especially as the camera is at his eye level. In any case, great work as always! At least this whole mess has let you guys experiment more, hope you and the crew continue staying safe!
Just pure !!!!!!!!!!!!! Well just pure FANTASTIC HISTORY At it's best !!! This channel goes beyond fantastic they should be knighted for what they do... WELL DONE YET AGAIN YOU LOT !!!!!!!!!!!
Know do I get the clock ?????????????
"Hey Britain, did you precipitate this coup?"
"Well yes but actually no"
What about bombarding of Yugoslavia, Nis, Kragujevac by the Alies, hope that would be covered later.
Indeed, that should be covered! The allies killed more Serbs in Belgrade than the Germans even did, and no, I do not support the Germans.
I don't know about the other regions of Croatia but they also bombed Pula really bad
Ljubljana and Maribor were bombed as well by returning American and British planes from Germany and Austria - civilian home neighbourhoods.
Same with many croatian towns
@@xhekxhdsj532 Pula and Zadar (really very heavy destroyed) were not Croatian but Italian towns. Zadar was never in Yugoslavia or Croatia (not existing as independent state since 11. century) until 1945. Maribor was a town in Germay during WWII. In fact, having 50-50% agreement about influence in post/war Yugoslavia (Churchill - Stalin) Britains were bombing only the towns in Eastern part ("soviet zone") of Yugoslavia (in fact in Serbia), and Italian and German towns on the West - Croatia
This whole thing is f’ing complicated!
Welcome to politics! 😂 There are many wants and none who understand what's going on. Hence, things become complicated.
Welcome to the Balkans .
Typical Balkans
4:14: what is the difference between a minister and an ambassador? Could you please tell me?
Your tie looks really nice in this video!
You know what you guys are missing on your WWII set? A Console floor standing Short wave radio. We are currently in 1941 and I think a short wave radio would be an amazing addition to the WWII setting. I don't know where it could be placed on the set. There are tabletop short wave radios but a floor model would just make your set more authentic, in my opinion. I don't know if anyone has suggested this before. I certainly don't mean to tell you how to "do" your job. You guys are awesome; keep doing what you're doing.
Very informational video, good work.
You're welcome! Cheers!
Love your videos and the awesome job you did about WWI. Lindy you are great
After a glorious run of weirdness we were bound to get a more classic tie. Still pretty nice. 3/5
Was the coup done before or after la resistance patch?
you can buy it with the in game upgrade or maybe find it in one of the loot boxes
Great Video like always!!!
Thanks Indy and team for another informative episode . I don't know much about this episodes topic but . From my reading MI 5 and 6 despised SOE and didn't work with them . ( well) I do think they betrayed SOE agents in France and the Netherlands to the NAZIs .. but as far as I can tell ..no Englishmen.( That is a specific term.) I've ranted on this before..
I really would like to see your team try to include what Allied (Usually British) Intel knew from ULTRA and their own interpretations . This "unknown" info was surly important to many decisions. I have never seen any history of WW2 try to include this in day to day events as it must have then.
The British participation in this coup sounds like another version of what Alexandre Auguste Ledru-Rollin once said, "There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader."
He revered to Italy as "Europes soft underbelly"
*OHHHHHHHHH*
Dude not cool
It seems that Germans were taking much better care of their allies than Brits. Still I'm glad that YU took a right path.
By what price? Serbs suffered their Holocaust only to be given in hands of communists supported by again, british!
@@hopeindarktimes9535 considering the other resistance movement are traitors in the end. The commies are a better alternative. Tito has balls like Alexander with a Yugoslav out look rather than a Serb one, in danger of multiple nations invading Yugoslavia but still took the chance at ridiculing them
Thanks for the clarification!!!
Great episode, keep it up!
Please specify what was offered to Yugoslavia by Germany. Apparently German generals were upset with Hitler granting Yugoslavia almost same status as Switzerland?
If that is true, Brits definitely organized coup as Yugoslavs had no reason to go against Goliath.
Nice special. this channel is whit all . realy like it
I like the way you guys filmed Indy in this episode
Astrid changed the set a little bit and I moved some stuff out of the studio so that I had more place and could use a longer lens, with the new lighting I could go down to the lowest ISO setting, that way I could also take the shutter down yet another step. The combination of these two measures leads to more precise focus and less digital grain, which is why Indy looks 'crisper' - the focal length also makes the background slightly out of focus and this helps when we compress for TH-cam as the h.264 compressor has slightly less detail to fuss with. You can thank COVID-19 for this as it was because of Indy's forced longer stay that we had time to experiment a little.
Thanks for this episode- I was literally about to post a comment on the other episode along the lines of , "Hey, what about the British involvement we always here about during the coup?"
Your channel is great
*The British post an advertisement on Craigslist: Yugoslavia.*
"Looking for anyone in the Yugoslavian government to lead a potential coup d'etat. Potential to receive financial and/or military aid. This can be discussed at a later date - hopefully before the Germans invade. If interested, please contact the SOE office in Belgrade."
Slight error in referring to the SOE as the Strategic Operations Executive. It was the Special Operations Executive.
Yes they did. The Nazis were Yugoslavia's open enemies and that's cool because you know what to expect. But the allies (British and French) betrayed Yugoslavia forgeting Serbian merits in the great war. I don't refer to this coup because Yugoslavia did't belong with the axis, but rather to agreeing with Tito's seizing the power after the war. Even though the royal family are cousins with the British royal family, they just didn't care and let the communists take over. Plus during the 90's EU had its role in heightening the internal conflicts by secretly supporting the extreme separatistic parties and pushing this beautiful country into pandemonium. So I always respect my enemies more than the enemies who pretend to be my friends and british policy was everything but good spirited towards Yugoslavia.
Very interesting... as usual !
The Poor Prince it looks like everything fell apart quickly . Thank you for the video . Nice Tie !
You're the best Indy
"According to the British major general and historian I. S. O. Playfair, the coup was essentially a brave gesture of defiance, mainly by Serbs, against the German domination signified by signing of the Tripartite Pact, undertaken in the full knowledge that invasion would likely follow. It was also, according to the historian Alexander Prusin, an "utter blunder, based on wishful thinking and emotions rather than a realistic appreciation of the country's limited economic and military potential". Sue Onslow, in a bid to place the coup in the broader context of the British policy towards Yugoslavia between the outbreak of the Second World War and the events on 27 March 1941, writes that the coup was a major propaganda victory for Britain, as it "proved tremendous, if ephemeral, boost to British morale, coming rapidly upon the victories against Italian forces in North Africa and the Sudan"; it also was "a much-needed fillip to the 'upstart'." - wiki. We know well how that worked out for them. Someone already said... for the Yugoslavs the WW2 really didn't conclude until the violent breakup of Yugoslavia in the 1990s.
Great comment, and a painfully accurate one.
You are really hungry, Indie ;). Nice work!
4:41 it's a matter of priming the pump (spoiler alert: it is a blood pump). Dynamite and a few pistols, whereby the partisans then capture arms from the enemy. All effective partisan movements are largely armed from their enemies armoury.
Love a good bit of debunking. This kind of content is really import as there is so many myths and so much misinformation around this war and many others.
Unfortunately many will still be convinced UK did it, based on prejudice. Despite having no evidence of their own they will just ignore this video.
@@asabritton8986 Indeed even half an hour after the video was posted thats more or less what about 25% of the comments were
Well, the Brits were involved, but to a lesser degree that most of the people thought.
It's still accurate to describe it as a British-backed coup.
Yugoslavian history is beyond intresting and it's perhaps the only region more geopolitically complex than the Israel-Palestine conflict. You did a phenomenal job presenting it, well done!
Thanks!
So, yes. But with the customary “plausible deniability “, that always accompany geopolitics.
We need a new intro, to include more forces such as the Soviets and Japanese.
The biggest problem with that is finding footage that won't cause copyright woes. If you know any such sources, let 'em know!
Intresting, I would like to know what SOE and Churchill think about Finland at spring 1941.
Why is there black marker on the Ural mountains on the map behind Indy?
It's a model plane
More song covers please indy. When is your album dropping?
This is still just a speculation, we will see in a few decades when the SOE archives open what really happened. I feel there are a lot of things about WW2 just waiting in a drawer of an archive somewhere. :)
When you see 2 fish fighting British submarine is near.
Glad that you mentioned the British aim to disrupt German oil supplies from Romania. The Germans essentially invaded Greece simply because they could not take the risk of the RAF bombing these oilfields when the Soviet oil supplies were on the verge of drying up with Barbarossa.
Some say that if the right wing nationalist PM Metaxas had remained alive, Greece would have negotiated a more neutral stance throughout WWII. As it was his successor was more easily influenced by British meddling in the region. Frankly, Churchill's idea of a grand Turkish/Greek/Yugoslavian alliance against the Germans was amongst his more delusional proposals.
I'm really interested to see the episodes about Draža Milhailović and Operation Halyard, where 500 Americans were rescued by Chetnik forces (who have had quite a history trying to balance British and American support/German truces/Anti-partisian activities) Also, maybe could you guys do a special on King Michael I of Romania and his 1944 coup when you get there?
German truces? It was more like first indirect (through Nedic, than Italy and even Independent State of Croatia) and than direct alliance with Germany, with few and local episodes of actual clashes with Germans without any significance for Allied eforts.
@@BokicaK1 some commanders tried to cooperate with Germans for anti partisan activities, while I dont believe Milhailović himself participated in the collaborations. That was a problem, Milhailović couldn't always keep full control over his commanders
@@michaelpaz8226 what do you know on meeting in village Divci 1941? What do you know on Gornje Lipovo speech from 1943? What do you know on meeting between Nedić and Mihailović in village Ražana near Kosjerić in August 1944?
@Вишеслав. онда ме слабо познајеш, гари. Него шта ћеш ти овде, имам дојаву из 1943/1944/1945. да се ово неће лепо завршити по тебе?
@Вишеслав. не сери, лепотане. Веруј или још горе слушај глупље од себе, далеко ћеш догурати. Не шалим се, имаш потенцијала да будеш роб у име српске мафије. Боље ти не треба нит заслужујеш.
Could you do a biographic of King Peter of Yugoslavia?
Thanks for the suggestion!
World War Two I'm glad you liked it! And thanks for being active in the comments and for all this great content!
Any collaboration videos with C&Rsenal planned on nations firearms ? Really enjoyed the ones for the great war
Do you have a special on the Katyn massacre?
Britain of course just makes the situation worse by meddling in foreign politics, should have let Yugoslavia choose their own path, it would have likely saved many lives in Belgrade.
It is incredibly difficult to keep track of the complexity of Yugoslav politics. When you add British foreign affairs and intelligence into the mix it becomes a complete mess where I'm not sure who is on what side anymore.
Balkan is like that.Even today countries are being used and moved like a pawn.The mentality of the people is the problem.Not to mentiom lack of wisdom,greed,coruption.
"Better in a grave than a slave"
Ahhh those Belgradians....
Well the Belgradians were never known for their intellect, that's why the capital brought down Yugoslavia twice
The most frequent chant during the 27. 3. 1941. demonstrations in support of the coup was actually "Down with the (deposed Cvetkovivić's) government".
@@overlord165 Hahah true! Can't help but love those goofballs!
@@overlord165 There is something such as dignity and credibility, but you wouldn't understand it anyway.
@@overlord165 Dovoljno pametni da imamo Teslu .Dovoljno pametni da se ne druzimo sa Nacistima kao neki iz komsiluka
The British organized a trip to the Balkans at that time of William Donovan who later founded the OSS. He told Balkan leaders that eventually the usa would enter the war, so don't bet on the Germans
It's me or this episode looks much higher quality than usual?
We changed the lighting to make it look more 40s. A little cooler and darker.
@@Southsideindy Aside from the lighting, I also noticed the change of camera angle and focal length (more wider). Also, the editing feels different, and you look more crisper than usual.
@@Biker_Gremling Astrid changed the set a little bit and I moved some stuff out of the studio so that I had more place and could use a longer lens, with the new lighting I could go down to the lowest ISO setting, that way I could also take the shutter down yet another step. The combination of these two measures leads to more precise focus and less digital grain, which is why Indy looks 'crisper' - the focal length also makes the background slightly out of focus and this helps when we compress for TH-cam as the h.264 compressor has slightly less detail to fuss with. You can thank COVID-19 for this as it was because of Indy's forced longer stay that we had time to experiment a little.
@@spartacus-olsson Nice, I really like the new look.
Is the fantasy ‘coat of arms’ in the video thumbnail there on purpose (e.g. to illustrate a conspiracy theory) or is it a result of an oversight?
No, no I chose that on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
WhT do you think about soviet connection. What was their game in the area?
Still so many unanswered questions. The Yugoslavian coup is a huge enigma.
not really. the SOE was all over those!!!
@@yiannimil1 SOE?
The article dates from 1977 not 2017. And there is not a single reference dating after 1977. Plus the author said that there is no probability of opening the SOE arhives in the near or middle future.
Meetings between Brithish inteligence officials and later leaders of the coup, that took place, three and two days before the coup, of which there is no record of are clear indication that British inteligence agencies give everything in they power in order to provoke the coup. However the most intresting thing happened after the coup. New government with Simovic as primeminister, after realising that British will not move their expeditionary force of 100k soldiers from Salonica in aid to Yugoslavia, they sue for peace to Germany and said that Tripartie contract will stand. However Germany was on deaf ears and immediatly started preparing for invasion. Sure there was a great anti Nazi sentiment in Serbia at that time, especially amongst Serbs, however in that time apart from Italy much of the Europe was already invaded. In a hindsight even if this events brought Serbs demize in WW2 and a lot of hardship that was a right thing to do. It is not that Brits sold out Serbs only in 1941, they also sold them again in 1943 in Teheran and again in 1944 and finally in 1945 at the very end same as Poles. I know that is hard now to look back at that discisons made in history and find alibi for them but life is often simple but hard. You usually can do eithier smart thing or the right thing, not much more then that. I'm proud of my people that in every period of history we always did the right thing, no mater how great was a opposing force.
Respect! clear and sensible.
That.... 100K?? Brits in Thessaloniki, where is that from?
I have never been able to verify ''the'' number. The Greeks barely say that they were any Brits there, for the obvious reasons!!.. No matter what, only the New Zealanders put up a fight at Vive, south of Monastir.. The rest headed, real fast, for Cape Matapan and sunny Crete..... in May at all its glory..!! That vacation was cut short, however, by the luftwaffe and they headed, south still, to even warmer climates.
Only to return 3.3 years later, with the king in tow (after he abandoned Greece with the treasury gold - on brit ships), stirring up discourse among the natives, again!
no wonder Harry got the hell out of Dodge!!!
@@yiannimil1 Some authors argue that there was 61-62k same count up to 120K. My main point is that the British army was present in Greece, yet they weren't present in Yugoslavia. Either way nor Greece nor Yugoslavia have any real help from them and yet we were pushed against the mightiest army in the world at that time.
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we agree on the push! and your number in the sixties is plausible! TY
Yugoslavia in the title, here we go again
9:11 Campbell was very much right. The governemt was at that point predominantly serb, with croats and other minorities having little to no say. "Yugoslav" was just a nickname for serb until Tito took over and redefining the word. When refering to Yugoslavia in the future, please, refer everyone by their ethnicities and not "Yugoslav" as it is very misleading due to the lack of unity surrounding that word. Otherwise, great video!
Yeah, even as a Serb myself, too many Serbians were in high positions back then. It was actually Greater Serbia just masked under the radar of Yugoslavia.
Politically, all minorities had proportional impact in the government and thats what caused very unstable governments between 1922-1941, and that made King Alexander proclaim the dictatorship (very unpopular move in the eyes of every party in Yugoslavia). Parlaiment was a mess, with a lot of scheming between major national parties in order to form the majority to vote on anything. On the other hand, military, and especially the officers, were dominated by Serbs and that enabled the British to use them as a base for a coup, since there was no other force able to counter them in case of them taking over. But, its wrong to say the that the government was Serb controlled, quite the oposite, as 2 major power houses in the parlaiment, Croat HRSS party and Serbian Radicals, always had to relly on other minor parties votes in order to push for their agendas (Slovene and Muslim parties for example).
@@borisdrakula8489 That is an outright lie, you yourself admitted that Yugoslavia became a dictatorship when the other nations, like the Croats, got "too" much power.
Let me guess: this is all democracy's and the Croats' fault, isn't it?
@Marko Djokovic What are you even talking about Tito's closest were a bunch of Serbs and Montenegrins and the Serbs were overrepresented in membership of the communist party. In Croatia they were the majority even though they were 12.5% of the population.
The whole reason why it fell was because the Serbian domination alienated literally everyone else except for the Montenegrins.
@@overlord165 You would of a had a rump state without Yugoslavia maybe no state at all if the Hungarians and Italians wanted to be mean
I really like this studio setup, but I think it would work best for specials and not weekly episodes. It feels like Indy is sitting at the same table as me, telling stories about people and nations all over the world, if you get what I mean.
Then what would you prefer for weekly episodes?
@@WorldWarTwo I was stupid in my comment heh. I rewatched the previous episodes and... it's very similar, so I'm a bit embarrassed for making my comment the way it is heh.
The main difference it the lack of clutter on the desk, which made me feel the way it did.
The main series's desk is chaotic, like the war is, with a lot of stuff everywhere (but it still has a sense of organisation), and this one is very clean, with only the book and the phones visible, giving it the eye-to-eye feel. I hope I conveyed that well
Mister, you showed the wrong coat of arms of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. The one you used is from a video game
Spartacus chose that on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
@@WorldWarTwo With all due respect ,you are a very respected channel, I watched your ww1 video series regularly and now I'm watching ww2 and between the wars series , but this time you are making a mistake. As a historian your duty is to project the facts about the past, not political correctness. You can see on the internet or in literature how the real coat of arms looked like (I am aware the it can trigger some negative reactions from some members of the public, but we can not change history). Second about the coup ,the protesters weren't against the royal government, they were only against joining the axis (People didn't want to be allies with their enemies from ww1 who did atrocities) . The royal house was still seen as a factor of stability and unity so they just replaced prince Paul Karađorđević with the young at that moment king Peter II Karađorđević.
Best regards for you and your team members.
Milan Pavlovic with all due respect, we aspire to catch interest with our thumbnails and we aspire to accuracy in our episodes. If we make our thumbs into works of academia, they will never work to make sure the episodes get seen. We didn’t mean to imply in the previous comment that the rebels where anti-monarchist, or motivated by anything else than an anti-axis stance. We only pointed out that it was Prince Paul’s government they had to overthrow, since that government entered into the deal.
@@milanpavlovic2456 They are not historians. Just historiographers.
The Coat of Arms on the Flag in the Thumbnail is wrong. After a simple google search I found its source: an alternate history deviantart account. Sad.
I chose a fantasy coat of arms on purpose - after all the coup was specifically against the royal government, but on the other hand was also not driven by a specific faction, so a reimagined coat of arms made more sense than anything else.
@@spartacus-olsson I don't see how removing a regent to bring a underage king to power is "against the royal government", and one could say that the coup was driven by a specific faction - the army/airforce. Though I have to admit, that the fictional flag looks better than the actual flag from the period.
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Point taken but can you really expect Germany to just accept that Britain is in fact meddling in Yugoslavia and then there is in fact a coup? It would be irresponsible to just assume Yugoslavia is going to remain neutral. Counterfactually if Britain had not been meddling in Yugoslavia at all, then perhaps a reasonable German response could have been to ignore Yugoslavia and expect them to remain staunchly neutral. British meddling, directly or indirectly, put Germany in a position where they had to secure the region against British interference (similar to Norway).
I think this example teaches us a lot about correlation not being causation.
It's entirely possible that the British planned a coup, but the Yugoslavs started their own independent of those plans.
Great source, great episode. However I must (once again) point out that South Serbia in 1941 is not the place that you are pointing. And one more thing, the first Yugoslav minister that resigned (Konstantinović) was not on the British parole (the other two were).