JMGO N1 Ultra Laser Speckle || Review Sample and Final Version Compared
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- I compared the performance of two different JMGO N1 Ultra projectors on 50 different projector screens to determine the best combination for reducing triple laser speckle. Original Review: • Best 4K "Living Room" ...
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You go above and beyond for your viewers. Thanks for the quality content and info!
Your testing is insanely thorough, when I upgrade to a quality projector way down the line I know you'll be the first resource I look to! Keep it up man
In this price range, the JMGO N1 Ultra is still hands down the best 4k smart projector currently on the market. Best picture, best brightness, best contrast, best gimbal based adjustments, no clunky stands to lug around. It's triple color laser projects a crystal clear 200" image directly on my matte wall, no screen needed, with the curtains all up in a bright and sunny open space livingroom. Picture quality looks so close to my LG C3 65" oled tv it's actually insane. I've had it for 4 months now from Amazon. I have not seen a single laser speckle.
No doubt, N1 Ultra is a very good projector for the price. Laser speckle is it's biggest and basically only issue.
Don't you have issue if you use keystone correction? On my N1 Pro it ruins the image completely (making the whole gimbal thing useless in the process by the way).
@@luobomu9747 sounds like a defect, never had an issue with keystone.
Your dedication to the review process is incredible! Awesome follow up video!
I have this projector casting on a cheap white vinyl pull down screen with a gain of 1.1 and I fricking LOVE it! I don't notice any speckle, so it's good to know that I shouldn't go with the ALR. Thanks for your thorough reviews!!!
Thanks for your in depth review. This explains why I never noticed the speckle. I am using the matte white Elite Screens Manual B, with 1.1 gain. Apparently I just lucked out, as I bought the screen before the projector. 😁
Just to add to this, I also got the cheap Elite Screens Manual (but the current 2024 version) and laser speckle is basically a non-issue. You can only see it if you are very close to the screen and look out for it. Highly recommended combination, especially for the price of 100€/$.
You should review the Hisense Viddà, a front triple laser projector. Two interesting versions: Viddà C1S and Viddà C1 Pro. Thanks for always bring us a high level content!
Great follow up and really appreciate the effort on the different screen material testing.
Man, the complications between the screen, room light etc make me really think I should just go with a BIG TV. However I have to admit some of the popup screen options are amazing now.
Good man! I respect this investigative approach towards non-review units
You've reviewed the JMGO N1 Ultra extensively. I own one. Have you used all your fancy calibration equipment to get the most accurate picture? Can you break down what settings you used to get the best image? Is it going to differ a lot based on which app/content I'm watching? (Mostly tv shows/movies, no gaming or sports). Love your channel. Really entertaining and informative.
Appreciate the update, thanks
Am I going to be in the market for a projector in the time these videos would be relevant? No. Do I watch every single one because these are the most detailed and scientific breakdowns of the hardware? You bet!
Thanks. I've been considering a replacement for my now vintage 60" LED Vizio. I don't know that I want to trade up to that degree, but I'd better image rendering even if I don't go much bigger.
You will not be disappointed in it with that I promise. I have yet to see any projector with the picture that I have seen with my N1 and as I stated in my review...I purchased this projector with my own money so my feedback and input is based on my true opinion...and I no way am I saying that Rob isn't either...just being clear that I am not secretly employed by JMGO...just a guy who loves a great home theatre and this is the best I have owned in my 55 years on this planet without question.
Great thorough test! I can't really tell the laser speckle in this TH-cam video. I'm pretty sure I can see it on some projects IRL but it doesn't bother me nearly as much as rainbow effect does
Thank you for your video!
My N1 Ultra speakers buzz when playing audio at some frequencies, even at 30 to 50 percent volume. I just requested a replacement. I could find no one else reporting this issue in product reviews on TH-cam and websites nor on Kickstarter, Reddit or Discord. I cannot accept that this is normal behavior for a $2,300 projector when I have tiny laptop speakers that don't sound as bad.
I haven't noticed that on either of my units. My guess is a replacement will fix it.
@@TheHookUp Thank you for sharing! In this video, the distortion kicks in about halfway through and persists every few seconds the rest of the way through: th-cam.com/video/LXb3EKWsInQ/w-d-xo.html
I've heard distortion while viewing various content, from NBA games to movies. It's audible only a small percentage of the time but still enough to mar the experience. My unusual use case has me using the built-in speakers more than I had imagined doing.
I hope the replacement unit works just fine.
Most people have praised the projector's speakers. The only negative comment I found was for the $999 unit (1080p) on Amazon. I wonder whether this person has heard similar distortion.
Your videos are solid gold. Keep up the wonderful work! 🌞
Higly informative video. Thanks for this great info. Still waiting for mine to arrive and I'm curious on how it will perform on my matte white wall. Sounds like it could be a good combo.
So what would be the best motorized screen in regards to laser speckle?
You're the god of projectors reviews
Thank you again for your hard work! This must be the most controversial product ever to appear on your channel 😂
I’ve come around on the N1U. The color fringing, speckle and flicker do still bother me, but the brightness and design make up for it. If there’s really no way to fix the speckle then maybe JMGO should abandon this tech in the next model and do a better version of the tech in the formovie x5 or benq gp500. I don’t think most people care about covering 5000% of rec2020 😆 It’s kind of missing the forest for the trees to brag about the color reproduction in an image full of speckles and other issues. If they could keep a comparable or better contrast level and kill speckle at the cost of a little color space coverage, so be it.
Anyway, my friends and I have really been enjoying backyard movie night on a 150” screen 😁
Probably the last question I’ll ask about the N1U: does yours suffer from color fringing? I see it most clearly on white text with a dark background. Very distracting in Legend of Zelda TOTK. The top of the text is red and the bottom is green (image is in flipped mode). Maybe my unit has a misaligned prism or something?
Definitely some color fringing/chromatic aberration yes.
i'll take your word over all the other reviewers
Awesome..just use this with a white wall or matte screen and its all good.
Thanks for following this up! I hate a cliffhanger!
Interesting update. I ended up buying an Xgimi Horizon Pro after watching your previous video, because I got a good price on it. If the N1 was available at a similar price, I would have given it a shot, but I'm not interested in paying that much for a projector.
The Xgimi Horizon was my favorite of the lifestyle portable projectors but it's weakness is its contrast and blacks. Even though the N1 is also considered a Lifestyle portable there is nothing portable about its picture whatsoever and I am sorry to say that the Xgimi is going to need to come a long way to catch up to the N1...a long way.
But the Xgimi still beats the N1 for its remote...nicest of any projector out there👍
@@OlyGoalie67 I understand that there is better image quality, but the all around package ended up being the best choice for me. I tried out the Benq GP500 too, but didn't like that one as much.
@@user82938 10-4 good buddy👍
@@user82938 What didn't you like about the GP500?
Amazing work. My first source for any tech reviews.
Regarding the laser speckle, have you tried any fresnel screen with triple laser projector? I have seen some Chinese fresnel screens for standard throw projectors and I'm considering buying one to pair it with Hisense Vidda C2 Ultra but can't find any reviews.
I've tried them with a UST fresnel and found that they don't show a ton of speckle, but obviously don't work as well as a UST since the fresnel is designed for a steeper projection angle. I don't have a long throw fresnel screen.
@@TheHookUp thanks for the reply
Thanks for the great video! Have you tried pairing N1 ultra with Fresnel screens? Some Chinese manufacturers now offer Fresnel screens for normal and long throw projectors, and I was wondering how do they perform in terms of speckle. I wasn't able to get a better answer than "it might be a problem", so I'm guessing not great. The only exception is Fscreen who is marketing one of their screens as "triple-laser compatible", but it's a hard screen unfortunately.
The amount of effort put into this 🙌 thank you! Jw how the vividstorm AT cinema white handled low ambient with the jmgo?
Greetings and great video as always. Are you perhaps planning a video on the Fengmi Formovie S5? It seems like it's playing on its own in the ~500$ laser projector category and I'd love to hear your take on it.
I wish every review would be that substantial! Thanks for that! One quick question… do you plan to test the new XGIMI Horizon Ultra anytime soon?
Yes, that video will be out either September 14th or 15th. It will also have the Hisense C1 and Nomvdic P1000 as well as the JMGO N1 Ultra and Formovie X5 to compare.
My personal opinion for anyone who was confused about which screen to pair with the N1 Ultra. Ive got an ALR grey screen from AliExpress and I have no regrets. Yes, there laser speckle, but it only bothers you, if you let it.
I honestly dont mind laser speckle if it means i can have a decent viewing experience during the day, which you will not have with a white screen. Also movies like Avengers and Avatar are a totally different experience with the grey screen. The short is this;
White Screen: Unwatchable during the day, good at night
Grey Screen: good during the day, good at night. +Color depth
You do you! It's your stuff so all that matters is that you're happy with it.
@TheHookUp your doing a great job. I've watched your reviews multiple times over. Thank you so much.
I actually bought the JMGO based on your review. Im sure you've made these relatively unknown companies millions
I wouldn't worry too much about what Tech Tablets says.
Thanks for this comparison. Would you still recommend Foremovie X5 after testing another unit of JMGO N1 Ultra?
Most of us normal people have no idea what laser speckle is nor do we know what any of those materials are or where they can be obtained. Should a projector just perform perfectly on a white wall?
A matte white wall, yes. A glossy/semigloss white wall, no.
Thank you for the follow-up !
But now I wonder... Must I get a plain white screen to avoid speckle or is there a grey or black alternative ?
Dark screens seem to enhance contrast in non completely dark rooms. I so not see such a screen in your list.
Does it mean that dark screens are only of the ALR type?
Correct, all of the gray screens that I tested were significantly worse when it comes to laser speckle. The full list is here and includes screen color and gain: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18VZgUW5xBntrihgys2nC8805YgHwkHymZbzOSoSVoWA/edit?usp=sharing
I would not recommend a gray screen with the N1 Ultra.
Would you recommend the formovie x5 or the Jmgo? I mostly watch sport like soccer and Netflix. So the most important for me is a good picture quality and brightness.
I once asked him the same question, and the result was Formovie X5
@@TungNguyenThanh-fd3hy Thank you! Did you buy the x5 and are you happy with it or do you regret the decision?
Hi is it possible to get the contrast and colours similar on the white screen to match the grey screens or will you lose too much brightness, thanks for the great reviews..
I would very much appreciate your review of Hisense vidda projector C1s or C1pro
Really enjoying your videos! Still deciding on JMGO vs Dangbei with final Prime Day sales. Question on the best screen for Dangbei? What do you recommend? You made video about UST screens, and screens for JMGO, but nothing for Dangbei screen recommendation) thanks!
The reason he made a specific notation on screens for the JMGO is because it its a triple laser projector. Triple laser projectors are prone to laser speckle if the manufacturer of the device has not designed technology to internally buffer or eliminate laser speckle. Then you have to choose a screen that is made with materials that offset the issue. Unfortunately, from what I hear from reviewers, the JMGO N1 Ultra rates stellar performance with the exception of its laser speckle issue. You can see how torn Rob is to not give this machine his recommendation. From what I hear , those who own the proper screen think its great
Since ALR screens are out, how does the N1U do in rooms with ambient light? Still gonna be better with one of your recommended screens vs Mars Pro with an ALR?
And if you've checked, how is the N1U on light grey walls? Is the key the color or the screen material/lack of screen?
Light grey would probably be fine as long as it's matte finish paint. Glossy or even eggshell would probably be bad. N1 Ultra is nice and bright, but the issue with using a non ALR screen in a bright room is that the black levels will never be at the black floor of the projector.
Watches video: That's great! Now I might just buy it
Is reminded the price: NVM
Thanks for this!! Would you recommend me a good screen for the jmgo n1 portable version mate ? If is possible portable too
Is the a budge screen does the job?
Are the little squares that you see on the screen in the 1080 version when you get close to it also seen in the ultra version when you get close enough to the screen?
Hi could you recommended an electric ceiling budget screen for the jmgo n1 about 84 inches? I’ve been searching but having trouble finding a budget friendly option with this material
I love laser speckles 😊
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I was checking the Silverticket screen you recommended. Is it this specific one? STR-169110 Silver Ticket, 110" 16:9 4K / 8K Fixed Frame Projector Screen, White Material
Does this have a hd capacity limitation? I have the Xgimi Horizon Pro 4K and it has a limitatiin of 4tb. It won't recognize any hd over 4tb. Very inconvenient.
I’m looking for picture setting recommendations.
Is it possible to angle it to do ceiling projection ? It seems on the amazon page that the angle is shorter (135deg) than jmgo n1 (White) please ? Thanks
Yes, ceiling projection works.
Could you please compare the vankyo leisure 3 and the happrun?
Do you recommend any pull down scream with woven acoustic material?
Can you review the new updated model, the N1S Ultra, with the Dangbei X5 Ultra and the Xgimi RS 10 Ultra? Those are the most powerful projectors of the chinese market right now
When they are released globally, yes. Although I will probably review the Dangbei Mars 2 instead of the X5, but maybe both.
Can you review the Benq HT2060 please? Thank you so much
where can I see which version I get?
Thanks for a great video. Do you think that jmgo n1 ultra with 120 inch Vividstorm white screen will perform better than xgimi horizon ultra with Vividstorm obsidian ALR long throw screen also 120 inches?
In a light controlled room probably the JMGO and white screen. If you're dealing with some ambient light the ALR and Horizon Ultra would be better.
Thanks man you are the beat
Rob, amazing work! Thank you. If we were to leave the specle aside, between this and an Optoma UHZ50, what would you go for? Any input would be highly, highly appreciated. 🙌
Stay tuned, UHZ50 is in my next video
@@TheHookUp oh awesome! 😃 Have you planned when it's coming out? 🔥🔥
Probably July 9th
@@TheHookUp Perfect! I am looking forward to it. 👌👌😃
Hello.. Can you review the Benq HT2060 please?
Hi sir. Can you make a video. About the viewsonic x1 4k. The xbox beamer. Looks pretty nice
I was using this projector on a matte gray wall, and the laser speckle is bad there as well.
Texture (or lack thereof) can also have a significant amount to do with it.
Wimius P62 or Nexigo PJ40 ???
I'm projecting onto a silver ticket grey screen, don't notice any speckle. I would like to go larger but wondering if i should go with silver ticket matte white or stick to grey? Would the white hurt the contrast/black level? Thanks
The white screens will lower the black levels.
Hello, I bought 3 laser projector(Vidda c1pro) and was devastated by laser speckles. I have matte gray screen and thought it won't bother me, but speckles were horrible. I'm returning it. Now that you have tested Jmgo N1 ultra can you still recommend Formovie X5? Thanks!
Formovie X5 is fantastic, yes.
@@TheHookUp Thanks! But will I lose much in image quality after Jmgo n1 ultra?
I personally do not think so. The JMGO has extremely "punchy" color, which you won't get with the X5, but I actually prefer the X5's overall image to the JMGO.
Tôi đã từng hỏi anh ấy câu hỏi tương tự, và kết quả là Formovie X5
Any chance I could put a solid screen behind a Woven Acoustic screen to give a little pop while minimizing laser speckle while watching outdoors?
Most of the Woven Acoustic stuff has black backing. If you were to put a reflective backing behind it you would get ghosting/double images.
A few months ago when I complained you didn't mention JMGO during it's discounted Kickstarter run, you replied you only review mass production units, but you ended up reviewing pre-production sample anyway?
Yep. They told me it was mass production. After I released my video and reached out to them about possibly having a faulty unit they said it was from the first run. I wasn’t thrilled about it.
Thanks Rob.
How far does the projector have to be for a 100” image? Trying to avoid the weird light box it’s has around the image
About 2.8m
Great video - what would be Ur long throw projector pick between 3k-4k range for dedicated mini home theatre setup.
Stay tuned, that specific video should be out around July 10th.
@@TheHookUp thanks eagerly waiting for it !!
Also please include Ur opinion on -whether there is any quality difference in UST vs ceiling long throw ones.. since I am designing my home ,Ur input is going to help me immensely,heaps of thanks !!
@@TheHookUp The video isn't out yet, is it?
@navidfalla2083 yes: 2023 PREMIUM Home Theater Projector Comparison. BENQ HT4550i, Epson LS11000, Optoma UHZ50
th-cam.com/video/TjgXfRMtmSU/w-d-xo.html
Are there any options for battery powering this Baby? what kind of Powerstation i would need to run it 6 hours?
You'd need an AC Power station. Even though the N1 Ultra is pretty power efficient you'd still need about 1000 watt hours. Something like the Ecoflow Delta 2: amzn.to/3XGi9p9
Would you say the JMGO N1 Ultra outperforms the similarly priced Epson 4010 4K PRO? And all similarly priced LCD projectors?
Different projectors… and from different age, we could say…you’ve primarily to focus on the installation, because 4010 will have better blacks IF put in the right ambient, without reflective surfaces like white walls, near ceiling, etc… it will also have tons of lens shift, optical zoom and lens memory, so easier to install at the right distance and off-axis. It’s also a well known product from a well known brand, with good warranty service… For almost everything else, JMGO is superior: solid state light, smaller and lighter, silent, by far a more razor image, stronger light output, more color coverage, better HDR handling, more HDMI bandwidth, more advanced smart functions, easier to carry around, less consumption, and going on…
@@toiranesedoc very interesting thanks for this
Bro, I just wanted to say youtube recommendations are busted. All I want are reviews from you, instead I have like 10 ai created videos then some subpar review channels. Why doesn't TH-cam reward hard work >:(
Yeah, those channels drive me nuts. Best thing to do is hit the thumbs down button and move on.
@MrMentalpuppy You can hover over the video image and three vertical dots will appear. Clicking the three vertical dots will bring up a menu and one option is "don't recommend this channel." I do this a LOT for random junk / BOT / clickbait content that appears.
please review the Formovie S5 compare it to The WeMaxGo Advanced
That video will be out December 8th. In the meantime, I have already reviewed the wemax go advanced here: th-cam.com/video/wFcLjrGhJZA/w-d-xo.html
Hey can you use it with an Powerbank like the normel n1?
Yes, but it pulls a lot more wattage, so it's limited to laser power 2 maximum before the power bank shuts down.
Thanks a lot ❤
Refresh rate is just 60 at all picture qualities right ?
Most pixel shifted 4K projectors (including the N1 ultra), can also display 1080p120hz.
In the case of this projector, this is not true 4K. This type of chip inside the projector is not capable of 4K (not capable of 4K resolution - this is upscaled 4K)
You are incorrect. This projector as well as almost all projectors under $6000 use 4x pixel shifting with a 1080p DLP chips to produce a true 8 million addressable pixels. “4k upscaling” takes 1080p content and displays it at 4k resolution and is a totally different thing than pixel shifting.
You are the best!
Glad I dipped out of the Kickstarter, I knew JMGO was lying about their specs as they have been doing from all their previous products. Numerous times the question for ansi lumens were brought up, and they couldn't give a concrete answer and kept avoiding the question.
Also reading the comments on the Kickstarter page of people still waiting on delivery of Projector or items ordered with the project along with product quality issues is what was expected of JMGO.
Unfortunately it seems every single other manufacturer fibs on their specs. Doesn’t give jmgo a pass, but it also doesn’t mean it’s a good reason to pass on them, you would have to pass on pretty much every other projector.
@@wittech6116 If you're referring to most oversea companies, this is true. It's just unfortunate that most people fall for this tactic of false advertisement. The government of China has been trying to push a law to change all lumen units claims to CVIA measurement. As almost every single company oversea lies about its specs.
JMGO N1 Ultra or formovie x5? I'm so confused which one to get
JMGO for sure
I once asked him the same question, and the result was Formovie X5
Both projectors received high reviews for brightness and contrast but he notes that the JMGO does not perform well when projecting on reflective surfaces such as semi gloss walls or ALR screens. Thats when the laser speckle shows up. His Recommendation was to use the JMGO on rougher textured surfaces or matte white screens. He has a link to the screen materials recommended for the JMGO. Although the Formovie X5 is his favorite, the laser speckle issue on the JMGO is the only thing keeping it from being the recommended pick. What should be noted is that some people are not bothered by the laser speckle such as many , including myself, have never experienced issues with DLP rainbow effect. The JMGO also has the best design of any of the lifestyle projectors for positioning and setup. Right now I'm deciding between the JMGO N1 Ultra and his other recommended pick the Dangbei Mars Pro 4K. I'm holding out to see his review of the 2024 CES show to see if there are any products and features that are worth holding out for. This current line of projectors are really in their first generation run. As good as they currently are , they are only going to get better. Hope this helps.
Where i can request screen materials semple?
did you contact a single company or several?
thanks
I have purchased all my sample packs. If you are looking at buying a specific material from a vendor (like projectorscreen.com), they may be willing to send you some samples to help you decide.
@@TheHookUp Thanks!
Compared to the JMGO 1 ultra, what do you think of the XGIMI Horizon Ultra did you get to try it?
3 different light sources in one pixel when shifting...yeep nothing good 😬 (better 3 times less lumens than rainbow effect)
What motorized ceiling screen is the best? Pls
Best for the N1 Ultra? Or just best in general?
@@TheHookUpi guess for the N1 ultra, I would also really like to know (or floor rising)! Also what would be the best trade off for a screen for this beamer if it is placed in the living room? (so there will be ambiant light. Great video as always!
@@ward1234567 I use a $90 motorized pull down screen I got on Overstock. Image is bright and crisp and not speckle at all with my N1.
@@TheHookUp for the N1 Ultra
@@TheHookUp following up, I also would like to know the best for the N1 Ultra
So both were hand selected to send to a youtube reviewer?
do you have any way to fix spotting on n1 unltra .
aaaand the screen are out of stock
I'm still showing in stock. If you search "Silver Ticket WAB" you will find other variation (thinner bezels, different sizes, etc).
hey um can i please have a free projector i don't mind if its a good cheap one just please PLEASE
Трындит херню какую-то. Спеклы при просмотре видео не видно. А он читает как мантру про эти спеклы и показывает статическую картинку или меню проектора. В видео спеклов нет. Не вводи людей в заблуждение.
На видео спеклы ещё как есть. Никакой разницы со статикой.
3:34 Is that a picture of Putin burning?
No, it's Will Smith's mark in Gemini Man.
Great review. For the price, the JMGO shouldn't have these issues. Better projectors for literally half the price.
Depends what you mean by "Better", JMGO has the largest color space coverage of any projector on the market right now.
what projector do you suggest?
Would also love to know which you think are better projectors at a lower price point. My Optoma died only 2 days after the JMGO N1 Ultra Kickstarter finished and I've been gutted I missed out on it and looking to find a replacement which doesn't cost 2.2k.
@@helgeschneider9069
@Renovatio2
I'm no expert but the reviews, specs and reputation of the BenQ HT2050A look awfully good for the price, if you can live with 1080P. If you plan to use your projector infrequently the older HT2050 uses a bulb and is several hundred cheaper. If 4k is important the Epson 2350 appears superior to all the other budget 4k projectors. I haven't personally used either projector.
There is no better projector for half the price out there anywhere...is the N1 a perfect projector, no but it is pretty darn great. I have been dealing with projectors since the early projector days like the Sony CPJ200, the Sanyo's and the Epson 50UB series and this is the closest to the Epson UBs as far as contrast and blacks while beating it hands down on sharpness, clarity and color without being crazy oversaturated...I hope you give this projector a second chance as you will be hard pressed to find anything better overall...without question. Have you actually seen it in person as even video does not do it justice.👍