10min in and he still have no tanks? why?? - Heck even hellbats woulda been great together with the maries vs serrals comp. If maru is ok loosing half his marines each push, the tanks could get at least 2 shot off each, more than enough to clear swarm.. or is that just me?
@@martinwinther6013he relayed on widow mine. The only way for maru to beat serral is him playing like himself like in 2019 lots of aggression and multiprong attacks. Idk why he doesn't play like that anymore maybe because of his wrist injury he cant play fast anymore
@@martinwinther6013you don’t get it. If Serral see you build tanks, he will destroy you with vipers. Zerg always tech switch faster than Terran, any units terran can build, zerg can build the counter to that faster. The only way to beat Zerg is to be more skillful, same for Zerg against Terran. Zerg units are on average weaker, if you want to beat the Terran army you need to be more skillful. TvZ is a heavy skill match up, what you build doesn’t matter that much.
"This rock has now done more damage to Serral than Maru" LOL. Maru just couldn't damage Serral's economy or take real map control, he's like a personal punchbag for Serral.
I no longer believe that it matters how difficult a split map situation is for Serral. Serral's win condition just seems to be stopping the opponent ever getting to 6 bases, so the more bases on the map, the more bank Serral has.
@@75ncv4hu9tg7 a split map is where both players take an equal amounts of bases, it is considered bad for Zerg because they trade less efficiently with other races. some maps make it harder to get a base on the other side of the map and those maps are considered Terran favoured in TvZ.
Oh i finally got better understanding of Zerg, i am really really ignoring Ravagers, exept in canonrushes , so i was hurted by Tanks all the time, and not understanding, how i am suppuse to beat them, now i see it.
im pretty sure even if Gabe pulled Serral's monitor plug, he would still say in the post-match interview smth like "well it was bad but i've already scouted him so i had a good idea what the follow-up would be and he also lost his hellions so it was unfortunate for him that he couldnt prevent me from droning / expanding / upgrading anyway"
because the balance is based on the condition that terran top pros have to risk their wrist and shoulder being broken. You never see any protoss top players sacrificing their limbs for world championship. it is just a matter of time that clem get a broken arm and no longer being competitive
How many times does Serral need to beat the crap out of non-Clem terrans for zerg players to chill down with their whining on how OP terran supposedly is? This only started after Clem became WC. Otherwise they have always been like "Reynor/Dark/Serral OP as a player. nothing to do with zerg. move along, move along."
It’s all ab the level…these results can’t be automatically applied to balance at our level. That’s my experience anyway (low M rn) For example, I can casually play turtle sky toss at similar MMR to try hard, hours of practice per week for months at a time macro Z. But then at the highest level turtle skytoss in PvX looks way different / less effective
This pattern has been a thing since the dawn of humanity unfortunately. Even if a faction is as broken as they claim to be, starcraft is a game where it's still overwhelmingly about your own skill/mechanics.
Imagine being maru, mental blocked vs Serral for years. No clue how to beat him. Then every gold and silver league casual player whines their ass off and makes the ghost 50% worse. It's insane. They killed the mine. They killed ghost. Brilliant. Terrans strongest units are dead, but Zerg still has their lurkers, ultras, vipers, and infesters at full strength. The biggest nerf their bullshit gets it 10% hp hit and a slightly more visible burrow, yet we nerf Terrans strong units with a 35% aoe size reduction and a 50% supply increase. It's insane how much harder Terran gets nerfed.
And they will continue with this trend, because the crybaby protoss have not won any major tournaments in years, so we have to hope for them to start winning.
doesn't`t matter, Terran still imbalances, because.. Because in balance council knows better. Yep, I think, so. Even If Terrans will be lose `100%, its still reason to nerf Terran, just because.
Ghosts are exactly as insanely good as they always were, nothing has been done to reduce their strength at any point of the game except as Terrans max out. Then, and only then, they can't have quite as many of the singular most op unit in the game. Mines have always been a zero-skill unit that takes 10x as much effort to deal with as it takes to use, and it's still strong. Ultras are a complete joke. A T3 melee unit that's hard countered by a T1 that all terrans will always already have. Infestors haven't been "full strength" since they took away Infested terrans. Vipers are great. Hard to use, but great. Lurkers though? You complain about Lurkers? Lurkers are literally just more expensive Zerg siege tanks, except they're T3, morph from another unit, and require 2 upgrades before they're any good. if you let the Zerg get a significant number of Lurkers you probably lost the game 10 minutes ago.
If you are teamless Gumiho, lost the final to something that everyone know imbalance for years, and get fixed AFTER the tournament, losing $$$, how do you feel?
@@freshiie22 So far, Serral still won much more games versus Clem than he lost. I'll say wait till he is fully back from MS and has had decent chances to adapt to Clem's playstyle. He did so in the past too, when he lost several matches in a row. So far, Serral overall is still the best player, no questions asked. He only lost matches against 2 players in the whole of 2024. That is unheard of an utterly absurd. The only one to stand between Serral and absolute dominance was Clem, as Maru only won one insiginificant match versus Serral. Yet, Clem loses to many others and has any overall lower win rate than Serral.
@@marcelbenner993 lmaooo, the real question is can you handle it if serral is no longer the best..... Zerg has historically been overpowered (HISTORICALLY) look at all the zerg champs in the last 10 years.... nobody can do what clem does.... it's not Terran, its Clem! Serral ending his MS isn't going to stop that train
@ukkiesc5087 after the recent "balance" change? Im still waiting for Protoss to finally win a world championship. Can you remind me of when the last time it was?
Probably none since all the best protoss' don't play like trap, zest, and stats. All the protoss has left is hero who randomly drops to 20 IQ for 30 seconds during every game. Dude is the best protoss' in the world currently and his performance is extremely inconsistent...that's not world champ status. Serral and Clem didn't become world champs with inconsistent plays and questionable decision making
@@CoreySchulz-x5z I bet, that if Zest would come back. He would be a contender for the world championship. And no one knows why but Maypax is considered the best protoss in the world, but yet is not competing in the world championship.
I wish Protoss would get three things buffed just because of one nerf. That's this committee's thought process with the queen nerf of +25 minerals to the Queen. Let's counter that with -25 minerals to the hatch, increase the spore damage, and reduce the time a spine takes to burrow. How impressive and balance oriented. Let's face it, this committee's favorite race is Zerg, followed by Terran.
These games truely make me appreciate how good Clem really is
Yep, marus turtle style is no match for serral. If you give serral breathing room he will kill you.
10min in and he still have no tanks? why?? - Heck even hellbats woulda been great together with the maries vs serrals comp. If maru is ok loosing half his marines each push, the tanks could get at least 2 shot off each, more than enough to clear swarm..
or is that just me?
@@martinwinther6013he relayed on widow mine. The only way for maru to beat serral is him playing like himself like in 2019 lots of aggression and multiprong attacks. Idk why he doesn't play like that anymore maybe because of his wrist injury he cant play fast anymore
@@martinwinther6013you don’t get it. If Serral see you build tanks, he will destroy you with vipers. Zerg always tech switch faster than Terran, any units terran can build, zerg can build the counter to that faster. The only way to beat Zerg is to be more skillful, same for Zerg against Terran. Zerg units are on average weaker, if you want to beat the Terran army you need to be more skillful. TvZ is a heavy skill match up, what you build doesn’t matter that much.
@@teddanville6996 adding tanks to your marines is a tech-switch??
Guess I still learn something new every day
Yo. so glad we back on this channel
"This rock has now done more damage to Serral than Maru" LOL. Maru just couldn't damage Serral's economy or take real map control, he's like a personal punchbag for Serral.
I no longer believe that it matters how difficult a split map situation is for Serral. Serral's win condition just seems to be stopping the opponent ever getting to 6 bases, so the more bases on the map, the more bank Serral has.
What is a split map situation?
@@75ncv4hu9tg7 a split map is where both players take an equal amounts of bases, it is considered bad for Zerg because they trade less efficiently with other races. some maps make it harder to get a base on the other side of the map and those maps are considered Terran favoured in TvZ.
Would love to see you cast one of the elazer series, they were so entertaining
Unless you actually casted them, I don’t remember xdd
Yes please do so capt!
Oh i finally got better understanding of Zerg, i am really really ignoring Ravagers, exept in canonrushes , so i was hurted by Tanks all the time, and not understanding, how i am suppuse to beat them, now i see it.
without watching the video, I'll go with "yes" unless there's like a cop that arrests him or something idk no spoilers pls
im pretty sure even if Gabe pulled Serral's monitor plug, he would still say in the post-match interview smth like "well it was bad but i've already scouted him so i had a good idea what the follow-up would be and he also lost his hellions so it was unfortunate for him that he couldnt prevent me from droning / expanding / upgrading anyway"
Why doesn't he just play like clem
I think he is not as fast as he was 5years ago anymore.
because the balance is based on the condition that terran top pros have to risk their wrist and shoulder being broken. You never see any protoss top players sacrificing their limbs for world championship. it is just a matter of time that clem get a broken arm and no longer being competitive
How many times does Serral need to beat the crap out of non-Clem terrans for zerg players to chill down with their whining on how OP terran supposedly is? This only started after Clem became WC. Otherwise they have always been like "Reynor/Dark/Serral OP as a player. nothing to do with zerg. move along, move along."
It’s all ab the level…these results can’t be automatically applied to balance at our level. That’s my experience anyway (low M rn)
For example, I can casually play turtle sky toss at similar MMR to try hard, hours of practice per week for months at a time macro Z. But then at the highest level turtle skytoss in PvX looks way different / less effective
This pattern has been a thing since the dawn of humanity unfortunately. Even if a faction is as broken as they claim to be, starcraft is a game where it's still overwhelmingly about your own skill/mechanics.
@@sebastienguanzon4978which i believe is a great thing and how most games should be
Terran OP
Bait used to be believable.
The next decade of balance will be making Protoss as strong as Terran so not even Serral can win highest level ZvP.
Imagine being maru, mental blocked vs Serral for years. No clue how to beat him. Then every gold and silver league casual player whines their ass off and makes the ghost 50% worse. It's insane. They killed the mine. They killed ghost. Brilliant. Terrans strongest units are dead, but Zerg still has their lurkers, ultras, vipers, and infesters at full strength. The biggest nerf their bullshit gets it 10% hp hit and a slightly more visible burrow, yet we nerf Terrans strong units with a 35% aoe size reduction and a 50% supply increase. It's insane how much harder Terran gets nerfed.
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Yet, they still are 6/8 in the Ro8...
And they will continue with this trend, because the crybaby protoss have not won any major tournaments in years, so we have to hope for them to start winning.
doesn't`t matter, Terran still imbalances, because.. Because in balance council knows better. Yep, I think, so.
Even If Terrans will be lose `100%, its still reason to nerf Terran, just because.
Ghosts are exactly as insanely good as they always were, nothing has been done to reduce their strength at any point of the game except as Terrans max out. Then, and only then, they can't have quite as many of the singular most op unit in the game.
Mines have always been a zero-skill unit that takes 10x as much effort to deal with as it takes to use, and it's still strong.
Ultras are a complete joke.
A T3 melee unit that's hard countered by a T1 that all terrans will always already have.
Infestors haven't been "full strength" since they took away Infested terrans.
Vipers are great. Hard to use, but great.
Lurkers though?
You complain about Lurkers?
Lurkers are literally just more expensive Zerg siege tanks, except they're T3, morph from another unit, and require 2 upgrades before they're any good.
if you let the Zerg get a significant number of Lurkers you probably lost the game 10 minutes ago.
I am so tired of the whole balance complain. If a race is favoured. Let it be, it will change.
If you are teamless Gumiho, lost the final to something that everyone know imbalance for years, and get fixed AFTER the tournament, losing $$$, how do you feel?
maru can't hang with serral and serral can't hang with clem
Serral couldn't hang with Clem in the latter parts of 2024. Give the guy some time to accomodate after Military Service.
Since the changes to Serral's race Zerg he isn't great anymore. Wow you're a genious.
@@miniwaern who hurt you bro? only a fanboy would get upset dude. Clem is just the future. Face it! Love it!
@@freshiie22
So far, Serral still won much more games versus Clem than he lost.
I'll say wait till he is fully back from MS and has had decent chances to adapt to Clem's playstyle. He did so in the past too, when he lost several matches in a row.
So far, Serral overall is still the best player, no questions asked. He only lost matches against 2 players in the whole of 2024. That is unheard of an utterly absurd. The only one to stand between Serral and absolute dominance was Clem, as Maru only won one insiginificant match versus Serral. Yet, Clem loses to many others and has any overall lower win rate than Serral.
@@marcelbenner993 lmaooo, the real question is can you handle it if serral is no longer the best..... Zerg has historically been overpowered (HISTORICALLY) look at all the zerg champs in the last 10 years.... nobody can do what clem does.... it's not Terran, its Clem! Serral ending his MS isn't going to stop that train
Yeah, I gave up on this "balance" committee a long time ago
Have you seen clem vs serral anytime recently?
@ukkiesc5087 after the recent "balance" change?
Im still waiting for Protoss to finally win a world championship. Can you remind me of when the last time it was?
Probably none since all the best protoss' don't play like trap, zest, and stats. All the protoss has left is hero who randomly drops to 20 IQ for 30 seconds during every game. Dude is the best protoss' in the world currently and his performance is extremely inconsistent...that's not world champ status. Serral and Clem didn't become world champs with inconsistent plays and questionable decision making
@@CoreySchulz-x5z I bet, that if Zest would come back. He would be a contender for the world championship.
And no one knows why but Maypax is considered the best protoss in the world, but yet is not competing in the world championship.
I wish Protoss would get three things buffed just because of one nerf. That's this committee's thought process with the queen nerf of +25 minerals to the Queen. Let's counter that with -25 minerals to the hatch, increase the spore damage, and reduce the time a spine takes to burrow. How impressive and balance oriented. Let's face it, this committee's favorite race is Zerg, followed by Terran.