The Football Team in Davy Jones' Locker

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  • @lukeontheplains
    @lukeontheplains  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +80

    Some of you may realize this is a re-upload. There's an unfortunate reason for that. And it's not TH-cam's fault this time! It's my own. Here's why.
    When I was looking for music to use in this video, I tried to zero in on instrumental music that sounded like sea shanties. I stupidly and ignorantly used one song in the video, sourced from TH-cam's audio library, that I felt sounded like a sea shanty *without looking at what it was called*. This song was, in actuality, an instrumental version of a religious Jewish hymn, Hine Ma Tov. Once a commenter brought my attention to this, I took the video down as fast as I could.
    I sincerely apologize to the Jewish community for misusing a religious hymn in a video. At best, it comes off as severely uneducated. At worst, it comes off as antisemitic, considering it is used in a video about pirates. I meant no ill will towards the Jewish community or Judaism, and hope those in the community can forgive me for my misstep. I will be committed to being purposeful in my selection of background music in the future.

    • @benjaminguzman3428
      @benjaminguzman3428 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

      I did not have “appropriating Jewish culture” on my reupload bingo.

    • @lutrid
      @lutrid 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      That’s the funniest shit I’ve heard in a while

    • @akas1255
      @akas1255 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      Hey, so I was the commentator who brought it up in the last video. I took ZERO offense and I can't imagine any other Jewish person would've either. It was my last intention for you to feel like you needed to take the video down and I hope it didn't cost you views/likes/subs/algorithmic favor. It was obviously an innocent mistake that I found more funny than anything, and it gave me a reason to play some Jewish Geography to see if ECU had a secret connection I was unaware of (like how Ajax soccer team plays the Hava Nagila because they've historically played in a Jewish neighborhood.)
      Love the channel and all the awesome work you do! Keep it up!

    • @ashkechum101
      @ashkechum101 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      LMAOOO

    • @wawaa_14
      @wawaa_14 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@akas1255 never in a million years would i think ajax amsterdam would get a mention in a comment section of a video like this 😭 love to see it tho

  • @garrettwright7557
    @garrettwright7557 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +86

    As someone who lives in North Carolina, you’re absolutely correct. The four big schools in North Carolina keep ECU down, first off because they have big money. The four schools have old money from generations of people going to those schools. ECU is considered the party college of North Carolina. so the universities try to keep them from becoming a university, because they don’t want North Carolina to be labeled negatively for the longest time

    • @hustlecrowe9440
      @hustlecrowe9440 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      LOL, this is dumb. ECU is a bad academic school, I met several girls in college who transferred from there because they thought it was not safe to live there.

    • @MarathonMan117
      @MarathonMan117 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ECU had plenty of opportunities to move up in the last 30 years and shot themselves in the foot instead.

    • @ohalbleib
      @ohalbleib วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      You are correct, which is totally bizarre because it is exactly the opposite of the Big school's relationships with App State. If the UNC system had its way, all of its institutions would be under the same conference, but its own institutions seek to stop ECU specifically.

    • @MarathonMan117
      @MarathonMan117 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ohalbleib actually, while that was a goal of the UNC system back in the 80s, they abandoned it after the collapse of the Southwest Conference, which is what they based their idea off of. I think having the G5 schools in different conferences is objectively bad for all of them. every in-state G5 should be playing in the best conference possible. Unfortunately, we don't know which one is the best right now, and likely wont until the dust settles after 2026, and then again in 2030.

    • @YaBoyLogann
      @YaBoyLogann วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The four big schools keep everyone else down, especially UNC. I know UNC has done some stuff to kneecap App State and they're also the reason UNC Charlotte doesn't have a Med school or law school.

  • @TheWarriorBeaver
    @TheWarriorBeaver 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Please do a part 2 on southern miss. They have a surprisingly interesting history

  • @jeremybowman7126
    @jeremybowman7126 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    Ecu has one of the best midfield logos with state outline filled with skull and crossbones

  • @0mn0mable
    @0mn0mable 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    As a U of S Carolina Gamecock I just think ECU is neat, always rooting for them to grow and win so long as they're not playing my Gamecocks!

    • @bigdawg256
      @bigdawg256 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      yeah😂

    • @kevinbond8966
      @kevinbond8966 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Potatoes are better

  • @rynangarnerentertainment8893
    @rynangarnerentertainment8893 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    As the ECU fan here , I freaking love this video and have really debated with friends and family about why ECU still deserves a power conference bid but they always shoot themselves in the foot perfect execution well said👏👏👏 tysm love your videos 😊😊😊

    • @hustlecrowe9440
      @hustlecrowe9440 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ECU is never going to a power conference because those universities also really care about academics and ECU is a bad academic university.

    • @jeffanderson6499
      @jeffanderson6499 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@hustlecrowe9440 Yeah we heard you the first time, and thanks for sharing your ignorance about ECU. Not sure if you’re butthurt because you didn’t get admitted to ECU or if there’s another reason for your bitterness but maybe you should focus on fixing up your single-wide in Chocowinity rather than spamming us repeatedly with inane comments

  • @rangersking6699
    @rangersking6699 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    Natural part 2 for Southern Miss?

    • @GR-bn3xj
      @GR-bn3xj 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      As a memphis fan, i miss the black and blue bowl. It's crazy how good that program used to be and at least from the outside, it seems like one decision changed the program. When they fired that coach for going 7-4

    • @austinblansett9900
      @austinblansett9900 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      As an Ole Miss fan. The southern miss video needs to happen.

  • @adamjacquez9495
    @adamjacquez9495 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I grew up in Raleigh and ECU was really the best program in the state between 2008-14. Probably drew the biggest crowds and was consistently beating UNC and NC State.

  • @sambowmanmusic
    @sambowmanmusic 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Your video concepts are always so killer- well done as always dude!

  • @seanbrittain5244
    @seanbrittain5244 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I'm a ECU grad and big fan of the football team with season tickets. Thank you for the video and you did a great job. I didn't know we are 169-182 since 1996. I believe Blake Harrell can turn this ship around. If you ever need more ECU insider knowledge hmu. 10/10 video.

  • @JC-np7zb
    @JC-np7zb วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    As a lifelong ECU fan joining the ACC has always been a dream but you are right it will never happen bc of the other schools blocking it. Our only hope to get into a better conference would be if the Big 12 decided it wanted to add more eastern schools to complement WV, UCF, and Cincinatti. Also playing Houston again would be an added bonus. If they ever let us in we’d be a sleeping giant in the state of North Carolina as this fan base is dying to get back to that level of 08-14 🏴‍☠️

  • @benjaminguzman3428
    @benjaminguzman3428 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Babe, wake up. Dalukes posted again (you weren’t awake for the first upload)

  • @RandomOhioGuy_2
    @RandomOhioGuy_2 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

    You should the history of Horizon League

  • @daltonsideas
    @daltonsideas 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    As much as I hate ECU (never forget what they did to Carter-Finley Stadium in 1999) they really do deserve to play in a power conference. Money and legacy sadly will keep them in the American.

    • @hustlecrowe9440
      @hustlecrowe9440 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ECU is never going to a power conference because those universities also really care about academics and ECU is a bad academic university.

    • @daltonsideas
      @daltonsideas วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ that’s a really oversimplified take- lots of ECU’s programs are very competitive and growing in prestige. Yeah they still have a “party school” stigma but that doesn’t make them a bad school by any means.

    • @burgon.g82
      @burgon.g82 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@daltonsideas especially baseball is always competitive for us

  • @ohwaitchristian
    @ohwaitchristian 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    1:30 memphis and temple were briefly power schools in 2013 when the AAC had a BCS autobid

    • @mrterp04
      @mrterp04 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Also Temple was a member of the Big East when it was part of the Bowl Alliance & BCS

    • @Chevy265V8
      @Chevy265V8 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Tulane was a original member of the SEC up until the Mid 60's when they decided to leave because of their high academic standards and lack of being competitive. They do have 3 SEC titles in FB though.

  • @shiftingndrifting1532
    @shiftingndrifting1532 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Shout out to ecu respect man. They really have been screwed over mostly by other power schools

  • @christopherwebb3517
    @christopherwebb3517 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Speaking of Southern Miss, when they announced a year or two ago that they were leaving C-USA for the Sun Belt, i was surprised that there was very little mention of how they were the last founding member to leave, and how, for the first several years of C-USA football's existence, Southern Miss was the league's big dog.

  • @christopherwebb3517
    @christopherwebb3517 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was in the University of Louisville's marching band in the late 90s, and we traveled to ECU for a game in 98. I remember thinking that ECU's stadium felt very similar to Louisville's and Kentucky's stadiums. It didn't feel like a small-time stadium at all. I was impressed by it.

  • @tylerchristian3557
    @tylerchristian3557 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    LENOIR-RHYNE MENTIONED

  • @toughbutsweet1
    @toughbutsweet1 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Who on earth told Wake Forest they could look down on anyone? They have legacy money and strong academics, but outside the South hardly anyone knows who they are. And the worst, they don't sponsor softball.

  • @bobbytommaselli9733
    @bobbytommaselli9733 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I remember when I was in highschool 04-08 they were very respectable

  • @PaBa1984
    @PaBa1984 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Born in Raleigh, grew up less than an hour from Greenville, went to NC State.
    1. I’ve never seen my dad (NCSU alum) angrier than the 1991 loss.
    2. Logan deserves more credit. They played a TOUGH schedule as Independents, and kept a lot of those games as non-con games when they went CUSA. Miami, VT, WVU, Syracuse, FSU, and other ACC schools stayed on the schedule throughout the 90s, and Logan was always competitive with them. If there’s a coach they should have kept longer, it’s him. He deserved better than getting canned after one bad season, given the difficulty of the job he did.
    3. I’m not sure about within the UNC system, but during the 90s and 00s, NC government was still dominated by Easter NC. It’s hard to believe it, but since 1992, we’ve only had a Governor from outside ENC (defined as East of Raleigh) for one 4 year term (until electing a Raleigh native this year). The man who basically ran the legislature for 20 years in the 90s and 00s was from the Outer Banks and built a ton of infrastructure, especially major highways, around Greenville. Maybe the UNC Board of Governors (always dominated by UNC-CH alums to this day) didn’t like them, but they had friends in high places.
    4. There’s another factor that I personally believe killed their momentum in recruiting after the 90s, and that was the coming of ESPN’s Friday Night games. Friday Night Lights were strong in the 90s in the area. There was little at all to do other than hit up the high school football game. When ESPN announced they’d start putting CUSA games on Friday nights, eastern NC HS coaches were livid about competing with ECU for attendance. The close relationship that led them to do so well recruiting their part of NC ended, and schools like UNC swept in and started taking all the best talent, like Julius Peppers, who was local to the Greenville area. Before long, ESPN started putting ACC games on Fridays, so now both ECU and local HSs were at a disadvantage. This has shown itself in HS competition in NC as well, as the power has shifted irrevocably to the Charlotte area as the seat of HS talent, a place that is closer to Clemson and almost as close to some SEC schools like Tennessee and SCar as it is to the Triangle, not to mention it’s easier to fly into CLT if you’re coming from B1G country. Greenville is more than an hour and a half from RDU.

  • @MarathonMan117
    @MarathonMan117 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    ECU stuck in the G5 is a miscarriage of justice

  • @UserName-ts3sp
    @UserName-ts3sp วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Fun fact about Scottie Montgomery - He's the only head coach from Mike Tomlin's coaching tree

  • @empireonyt15
    @empireonyt15 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    what a perfect video to watch right after the gasparilla bowl

  • @JohnZoni
    @JohnZoni 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Agreed on the McNeill firing. They lost a close game at the end of what was his last season and ended up 5-7 instead of 6-6 with a roster that was in transition due to graduation departures. Program hasn't recovered from getting rid of him.

  • @DanFeinberg-w7q
    @DanFeinberg-w7q วันที่ผ่านมา

    As always, another great video!

  • @jakesarverson
    @jakesarverson 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thx for uploading this video on my birthday 🎉

  • @jamespyle777
    @jamespyle777 วันที่ผ่านมา

    From what I remember, the only school to be in the same conference as the Tobacco Road schools was Davidson back in the SoCon years.

  • @braydenwilliams4478
    @braydenwilliams4478 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Watching this reupload again, just to support

  • @alonzolane1092
    @alonzolane1092 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The dumbest move firing Ruffin McNeil

  • @chadweakley
    @chadweakley 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Southern Miss video please!!!!

  • @MichaelDanger19
    @MichaelDanger19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Even today, I don't know if ECU fits with the AAC. They've alwyas felt like an outlier, despite being one of the longest tenured teams. I wish the CUSA and SunBelt kind of split geographically so we'd have a conference of deep south teams, and a conference of Eastern teams like ECU, App State, Coastal Carolina, ODU, Liberty, JMU, WKU, Marshall, and so on

    • @WDB2005
      @WDB2005 วันที่ผ่านมา

      My Idea is this:
      AAC
      Marshall
      Delaware (joining FBS in 2025)
      James Madison
      Liberty
      Old Dominion
      Charlotte
      East Carolina
      Appalachian State
      Coastal Carolina
      Kennesaw State
      Georgia State
      Georgia Southern
      Sun Belt
      Western Kentucky
      Middle Tennessee State
      Florida Atlantic
      FIU
      UAB
      Troy
      Jacksonville State
      South Alabama
      Southern Mississippi
      Louisiana Tech
      Louisiana
      UL Monroe
      Conference USA
      Sam Houston State
      North Texas
      Rice
      UTSA
      Tarleton State (needed to make 12)
      Tulane
      Arkansas State
      Missouri State (joining FBS in 2025)
      Texas State
      Tulsa
      UTEP
      New Mexico State

    • @MichaelDanger19
      @MichaelDanger19 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @ I think the AAC being the “teams in major markets” conference would be the way to go. Not too different from what they were pre-Big 12 raid but with Charlotte, UTSA, Georgia State

  • @jeremymartinnfl2608
    @jeremymartinnfl2608 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    How can a team like East Carolina a school in the American Athletic Conference able to compete against of the 4 biggest schools in North Carolina that's resides in one of the 4 biggest conferences in the nation and still considered weak?

  • @therealnathnath154
    @therealnathnath154 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Everytime i hear of the metro i think of how funny it was that Morgantown WV was being implied as some metro area of note

    • @lukeontheplains
      @lukeontheplains  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Morgantown, WV and Hattiesburg, MS

  • @landonkincaid6630
    @landonkincaid6630 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    ECU has the best and possibly biggest G5 fanbase. Every single pirate fan deserves to see ECU in a power conference.

  • @Homedepotorange
    @Homedepotorange 18 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Its honestly insane that SLU didnt start a football program back in 2016. Wouldve made bank off being the cities only high level football team

  • @rodneywaugh8535
    @rodneywaugh8535 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was really hoping East Carolina and UNC Charlotte with both join the Sunbelt and have their regional rivalries with Appalachian State renewed....
    That would have really been a sweet deal.... Geographically at best

  • @AveryjohnsonistheGOAT
    @AveryjohnsonistheGOAT 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I’ll watch this twice, he’ll yeah

  • @dragonrana88
    @dragonrana88 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    dang, re-upload already?

  • @crab1
    @crab1 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ahh ECU… the east coast Fresno State

  • @cadenbell7
    @cadenbell7 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Need Costal Carolina next

  • @professionalidiot07
    @professionalidiot07 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    have you ever thought about doing a history of the SoCon?

  • @Xanny7777
    @Xanny7777 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    was this video reuploaded cause I could swear I watched it earlier today

    • @AZ_sports_are_better
      @AZ_sports_are_better วันที่ผ่านมา

      It was... This guy was SO scared about the Commie Jews and the Nazi Palestinians because he accidentally put a Traditional Jewish Hymn in the vid that he ACTUALLY took it down. 🤦🤦
      People just fucking need to relax.😂😂

  • @MikeyLewTV
    @MikeyLewTV 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Holy poop: 3:24 for random Clarion reference.
    Note: We pronounce it like Clair-ee-in here.

  • @GABESTA535
    @GABESTA535 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Your photo of John Thompson is actually another picture of Skip Holtz

  • @jackallen4921
    @jackallen4921 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why is Skip Holtz’s pic there for John Thompson?

  • @manitobamodeler24
    @manitobamodeler24 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was 12 mins into the last upload, had to leave and thought I hallucinated it all.

  • @Redneckthinker
    @Redneckthinker วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tulane was an original SEC school and has always been a tad bit of a power.

    • @frankf684
      @frankf684 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Tulane has a winning percentage of .457

    • @Redneckthinker
      @Redneckthinker วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@frankf684 Yeah, they stopped caring for a little while. They kept the team out of tradition. As soon as they started caring again, they started winning again.

  • @evilproductionstudios9659
    @evilproductionstudios9659 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1:58 SLU, not sponsoring American football despite literally being the team to invent the foreword pass

    • @frankf684
      @frankf684 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Football it’s just football

  • @troybaxter
    @troybaxter 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What happened? Why'd you have to reupload?

  • @jarayluter
    @jarayluter วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow and ECU video from DaLukes

  • @scarface1367
    @scarface1367 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    think of the positives, at least you aren't Northern Colorado in the FCS?

  • @ASAPsud
    @ASAPsud 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I know it all too well, went there. The athletic department can’t get out of their own way sometimes. I truly believe they want the best for the school and the program. But they can’t ever deliver. ECU can also never win the big one.

  • @MTalbot32510
    @MTalbot32510 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Please do something about the non football big east schools football programs if they ever existed

  • @jackshryock5602
    @jackshryock5602 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ECU academics also kept them out of the ACC

    • @ElFuego35
      @ElFuego35 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Louisville says Hi...
      Seriously... look at the academic ratings of Louisville, and ECU, and they hover around the same mark.

  • @alonzolane1092
    @alonzolane1092 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The big 4 will never let them in the ACC

    • @frankf684
      @frankf684 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They will when Clemson and FSU and Miami leave

  • @treycherie6236
    @treycherie6236 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ECU 🤝 Maryland: administrators ruining program momentum like it’s going out of style

    • @lukeontheplains
      @lukeontheplains  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Friedgen was robbed

    • @treycherie6236
      @treycherie6236 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      seriously! just the thought of randy edsall makes my stomach turn… and like dude, james franklin was right there smh

  • @Sportsbeast9021sports
    @Sportsbeast9021sports 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    W creator

  • @davidstraub7295
    @davidstraub7295 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    omg i love dalukes videos

  • @chattiermike140
    @chattiermike140 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Kinda the power 4 now no?

    • @frankf684
      @frankf684 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There’s a power 2 now with Big ten and SEC.

  • @ericmchumbles9892
    @ericmchumbles9892 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    4:51 OMG ILLINOIS STATE REFRENCE GO REDBIRDS BABY

  • @Glumsly
    @Glumsly 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    App State>>>>>

  • @FrogFan1346
    @FrogFan1346 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I called it

  • @troybaxter
    @troybaxter 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It is widely known in NC that ECU is not well liked or thought highly of, not only by the general populace, but also by the bigger universities like UNC, Duke, and State. Them being hindered to such an extent makes perfect sense, especially since they have done so in recwnt years.

    • @troybaxter
      @troybaxter 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Side note: ECU's name, The Pirates, could not be a more fitting name to describe that school and student body. That student body is full of nothing but drunks.

    • @loganschott5301
      @loganschott5301 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I have to completely disagree with the part about the general populace, it’s not the people it’s NC state and UNC who don’t want us to grow.

    • @ShortyBusShorty
      @ShortyBusShorty 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@loganschott5301do you blame State. Every time your team won in Raleigh you destroyed our field and stadium. You guys have no respect.

    • @loganschott5301
      @loganschott5301 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ShortyBusShorty Yes?! To hinder our school's natural growth because we were a less prestigious than you? I don't understand why a Farmer college should care if a "party school" was trying to grow and block it, unless they felt threatened. We have absolutely zero respect for you because y'all won't admit that East Carolina would have the ability to Rival NC State if we had the resources. And yet our football program that has less than half the funding of NC State, is on the same level this year.

    • @loganschott5301
      @loganschott5301 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ShortyBusShorty Yes?! To hinder our school's natural growth because we were less prestigious than you? I don't understand why a Farmer college should care if a "party school" was trying to grow and block it, unless they felt threatened. We have absolutely zero respect for you because y'all won't admit that East Carolina would have the ability to Rival NC State if we had the resources. And yet our football program that has less than half the funding of NC State, is on the same level this year.

  • @CraigSmithII
    @CraigSmithII วันที่ผ่านมา

    Scotty Montgomery wasn't that good of a coach. He basically broke what Ruffin McNeil had in place plus some

  • @deamoncohln9506
    @deamoncohln9506 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    No views hell yeah

  • @cm-jr9vt
    @cm-jr9vt 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ecu consider ncst a rival . It one sided . Nvst has a lot if pull over the nc government . Ch is in the reaserch triangle, clemson is in greenville Spartanburg area , greenville is not realy near much

    • @frankf684
      @frankf684 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Springfield?You mean Spartanburg?

    • @cm-jr9vt
      @cm-jr9vt วันที่ผ่านมา

      @frankf684 yes my mistake

  • @alonzolane1092
    @alonzolane1092 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The big 4 will never let them in the ACC