It's not the kick that is the issue, its the location of the pin through the lock bar. Glad you pointed this out to me, I was about to buy this knife but the lack of hollow grind and that design issue are enough to make me wait for a new iteration.
Nice callout on that blade damage due to the interaction with the back lock bar. Does the previous Centofante do the same thing? If not what is the difference?
@@salimoneus thanks for watching! I can't recall if the standard Centofante has the same blade rap issue, but if it does, it would be less severe then it is on the upgraded version due to the FRN backspacer and less steel parts in general.
I’m thinking they found that problem and corrected it in the future models and maybe most of the owners didn’t see the problem like you did and no one complained about it so there was nothing for them to address unless they are still making that model!!???? In my younger days all I had was one back lock knife and these days refuse to buy another because of that early one that I lost interest in!!! Keep up the great content and I’ll see you in the next video!!!
@@henryg683 your probably right Henry. The problem with this one is it's a limited edition or "sprint run" so they won't be making any more. So it's a problem that we just have to live with and have no hope of future versions correcting the problem.
You're assumption is incorrect. The centofante 3 was released in 2011 I believe while the Delica was released in 1990 and the Police was released in 1984. Both the original Delica and Police models had the same kick and backspring design that they do now making blade rap impossible. "blade rap" is possible for most backlock and slipjoint knives... unless they have very long tangs/ricasso (or finger choils like most spydercos) or have stop pins (which many newer knives do). Under normal use you won't have blade rap and if you do, one or two sharpenings will solve it typically (on almost any knife). Even Jack Wolf knives have the potential for blade rap. My lil bro jack did. One sharpening solved it. Frankly, it's really not a "problem" at all. Also, pretty much every other spyderco knife has a forward finger choil or an absurdly long forward tang which places the kick past the backspring pivot point effectively making blade rap impossible. as seen here 10:55.
Dang good catch I didn't even realize that the blade could hit the back lock I have to check it on mine to see if it's dull in that spot. maybe the back lock piece can be filed down so the blade doesn't make contact with it?
I think the issue has more to do with the pivot point of the lockbar. The Delica kick lands right on the pivot point. If the centofante had a larger kick, it would still have the leverage to make contact, the damage would just happen closer to the tip. Edit: LOL What angle did you sharpen it at? That's a much taller bevel than I'd have expected with the "lAsEr BeAm" reputation it seems to have.
The issue with the edge hitting the back spring is widely referred to as blade rap. I saw that another commenter suggested filing down the contact point on the spring. Did you try that? I love the look of the knife but the blade rap is definitely a considerable flaw. I can appreciate your frustration after all the fine sharpening work, for that to happen.
I have heard of blade rap but I didnt realize that it was refering to this issue. Thank you for clarifying that for me! I ended up not filing down the contact point on the spring because a friend of mine noticed that even if I had done that it would have still made contact with the edge at a different point. Its frustrating actually. still love the knife though.
@mcsquirgle I found my way onto a Blade Forums thread where a self-professed novice Centofante 3 owner raises precisely this issue. One of the old dogs advises him that with suitable awareness the issue is unproblematically avoidable. I like that take. There are so many variables and trade-offs in the world of knife design. I think you identified the Achilles Heel on this one - so now we know: close her softly and don't squeeze her when shut. Say, what if you glue a strip of welt leather onto the inside of the spring? That plus awareness will surely solve the problem pretty much outright. I think that blade rap proper might be when there is such clearance between edge and spring that although the edge will not contact the spring when the knife is closed, it will, if snapped shut, over-travel and rap on the spring. I don't think the leather will make it perfect because you could still mash your edge into the leather or even right the way through - but that might be hard to do by accident. So I suppose that even from a hard snap shut or incidental squeeze in the pocket, edge deformation would be so minimal as to be invisible to the naked eye and fairly imperceptible in use. I am more of a fan of flat grinds; full, saber, Scandi etc, than hollow; so this blade is very attractive to me. I am kind of tempted, especially now that at least in my mind I have resolved the blade rap issue! :D
@@dongkhamet1351 I agree. I have managed to avoid the problem entirely now that I am aware of it. I really don't mean to defame the knife in any way because I do adore it. That's actually a pretty clever idea, to glue leather to the spring and backspacer. I think there is room for it. If I notice any more damage to the edge I will definitely be attempting that. Thank you sir.
@mcsquirgle In my estimation you have not defamed the knife whatsoever. By your review one can vicariously appreciate its many good qualities and also get a preventative heads-up on the rap issue. Good job!
It's not the kick that is the issue, its the location of the pin through the lock bar. Glad you pointed this out to me, I was about to buy this knife but the lack of hollow grind and that design issue are enough to make me wait for a new iteration.
I just found it on sale for $180. I was about to order it when I found your review. You just saved a stranger a bunch of money.
@@nobody-cl1xr thanks for watching my friend! Subscribe for more reviews
Nice callout on that blade damage due to the interaction with the back lock bar.
Does the previous Centofante do the same thing? If not what is the difference?
@@salimoneus thanks for watching! I can't recall if the standard Centofante has the same blade rap issue, but if it does, it would be less severe then it is on the upgraded version due to the FRN backspacer and less steel parts in general.
I’m thinking they found that problem and corrected it in the future models and maybe most of the owners didn’t see the problem like you did and no one complained about it so there was nothing for them to address unless they are still making that model!!???? In my younger days all I had was one back lock knife and these days refuse to buy another because of that early one that I lost interest in!!! Keep up the great content and I’ll see you in the next video!!!
@@henryg683 your probably right Henry. The problem with this one is it's a limited edition or "sprint run" so they won't be making any more. So it's a problem that we just have to live with and have no hope of future versions correcting the problem.
You're assumption is incorrect. The centofante 3 was released in 2011 I believe while the Delica was released in 1990 and the Police was released in 1984. Both the original Delica and Police models had the same kick and backspring design that they do now making blade rap impossible.
"blade rap" is possible for most backlock and slipjoint knives... unless they have very long tangs/ricasso (or finger choils like most spydercos) or have stop pins (which many newer knives do). Under normal use you won't have blade rap and if you do, one or two sharpenings will solve it typically (on almost any knife).
Even Jack Wolf knives have the potential for blade rap. My lil bro jack did. One sharpening solved it.
Frankly, it's really not a "problem" at all.
Also, pretty much every other spyderco knife has a forward finger choil or an absurdly long forward tang which places the kick past the backspring pivot point effectively making blade rap impossible. as seen here 10:55.
I love the Cenofonte,, definitely my favorite small edc from Spyderco,,,,especially in carbon fiber
Dang good catch I didn't even realize that the blade could hit the back lock I have to check it on mine to see if it's dull in that spot. maybe the back lock piece can be filed down so the blade doesn't make contact with it?
@@bladecentered2264 that's actually a really good idea 💡. I might have a looksie and see if I can do that with my dremmel
I think the issue has more to do with the pivot point of the lockbar. The Delica kick lands right on the pivot point. If the centofante had a larger kick, it would still have the leverage to make contact, the damage would just happen closer to the tip.
Edit: LOL
What angle did you sharpen it at? That's a much taller bevel than I'd have expected with the "lAsEr BeAm" reputation it seems to have.
@@CNYKnifeNut lol 😆 I sharpen at 18° per side typically so it's a pretty acute angle, but yeah your right. I wish it was thinner behind the edge.
My thought exactly
The issue with the edge hitting the back spring is widely referred to as blade rap.
I saw that another commenter suggested filing down the contact point on the spring. Did you try that?
I love the look of the knife but the blade rap is definitely a considerable flaw. I can appreciate your frustration after all the fine sharpening work, for that to happen.
I have heard of blade rap but I didnt realize that it was refering to this issue. Thank you for clarifying that for me!
I ended up not filing down the contact point on the spring because a friend of mine noticed that even if I had done that it would have still made contact with the edge at a different point. Its frustrating actually. still love the knife though.
@mcsquirgle I found my way onto a Blade Forums thread where a self-professed novice Centofante 3 owner raises precisely this issue. One of the old dogs advises him that with suitable awareness the issue is unproblematically avoidable. I like that take.
There are so many variables and trade-offs in the world of knife design. I think you identified the Achilles Heel on this one - so now we know: close her softly and don't squeeze her when shut.
Say, what if you glue a strip of welt leather onto the inside of the spring?
That plus awareness will surely solve the problem pretty much outright.
I think that blade rap proper might be when there is such clearance between edge and spring that although the edge will not contact the spring when the knife is closed, it will, if snapped shut, over-travel and rap on the spring.
I don't think the leather will make it perfect because you could still mash your edge into the leather or even right the way through - but that might be hard to do by accident. So I suppose that even from a hard snap shut or incidental squeeze in the pocket, edge deformation would be so minimal as to be invisible to the naked eye and fairly imperceptible in use.
I am more of a fan of flat grinds; full, saber, Scandi etc, than hollow; so this blade is very attractive to me. I am kind of tempted, especially now that at least in my mind I have resolved the blade rap issue! :D
@@dongkhamet1351 I agree. I have managed to avoid the problem entirely now that I am aware of it. I really don't mean to defame the knife in any way because I do adore it.
That's actually a pretty clever idea, to glue leather to the spring and backspacer. I think there is room for it. If I notice any more damage to the edge I will definitely be attempting that. Thank you sir.
@mcsquirgle In my estimation you have not defamed the knife whatsoever. By your review one can vicariously appreciate its many good qualities and also get a preventative heads-up on the rap issue.
Good job!
I would have been all over this if it was a hollow like the original