Found 48 bulbs for 60$ at Costco. Changed all the CFL bulbs in my house. LED 5000k brightness bulb is really amazing. At current prices LED bulbs beat CFL
After switching from Incandescent to CFL and then to LED I have to admit that I'm definitely more pleased with the overall experience with the LED bulbs. I did have one bulb that failed in some unusual ways, as in it had an array of LED's inside it and some of them started to fail over time long before the entire bulb itself decided to stop working. Which was strange. It was a 100w equivalent Cree bulb. And just one example. Other Cree and Sylvania bulbs, as well as random other brands that I can't remember, have performed without issue. Now depending on how often you're running lights your mileage may vary but I have enjoyed the energy efficiency of the LED's as well. The lack of heat compared to a CFL and more so an Incandescent which really pumped out the heat is also very welcomed. I haven't done any scientific runtime testing but my overall the LED's seem to live longer than CFL's. When I made the switch to CFL's years ago it seemed like they didn't last as long. And I mean it felt like a BIG gap in lifespan. LED's in the last few years have really surpassed that and while aren't as long lived as Incandescents they beat the crap out of CFL's. Sorry if this comment seems to ramble a bit and is somewhat disjointed. Adding bits and pieces to it during work downtime. lol. The long and the short of it is that LED's are great.
Thanks for this video. I agree- replace burned out CFL's with LED's. I have watched a CFL bulb in a kitchen ceiling fixture actually smoke and catch fire after it died with a bright flash. I was very happy it was a hanging fixture and not a can or a ceiling hugger!
I am considering changing all the bulbs on the house I got confused with all those terms until I found your video. Very well explained. Thanks for sharing!
Led are absolutely worth it. Every apartment I’ve lived in, they always have/had incandescent bulbs. And after switching them out to LED, I consistently save $50 per month. So, even though they are more expensive or were, the long term savings is worth it. The fluorescent lights were a nice small jump in lighting technology, but the LED is the leap everyone should take.
So, I should wait until my CFL bulbs stop working before changing them out to LED bulbs? Changing my working CFL bulbs to LED bulbs wouldn't be worth it?
Personally I'm letting my CFL stop working before I change them to LED but I live in BC Canada and our electric power is fairly cheap per kilowatt hour.
It's winter where I am and my little apartment is compromised of natural light during the day, so I've been experimenting with different bulbs. I do like the peachy 'kick' of the CFL, but that light is somewhat intense or 'thick', noticeable after a long stretch of use. I now have the CFL in a small lamp in the kitchen - perfect. LEDs are so bright and efficient and yet their light has a 'plastic' quality to it. Nevertheless, they're very good. I have one halogen fixed into floor lamp in the living area where the shade is a white shell concave up. The halogen is wonderful during the day if I want to boost the sense of natural light in that particular room, but I do know they consume more power than the CFL or LED. Incidentally I never liked the incandescent bulbs much - while similar to halogen they threw off a slight pissy yellow that required a decent shade to tone down into something appearing elegant.
Led bulbs dont last as long they say (from my experience). The internal parts that power the led's probably last around 3-4k hours, sometimes less. But I still use them for the low power consumption.
Well I am sold... I came home tonight and the CFL we had in the floor light had not only burned out, but it melted the base and cracked and emitted a VERY nasty odor. Oh and left plenty of glass pieces in the floor lamp shade...
"Best" solution is to get some of each. They both have advantages and disadvantages. I like both and depending on what type of light I desire, I choose the appropriate bulb(s). I can get CFLs for $1 each and LEDs for $2 each so as far as price and electrical savings over years, it is a tossup. The heat concern depends on where the bulbs will be used. If they are down low like in a table lamp then lower heat lamps are desirable in a warm climate. If they will be used in a ceiling such as kitchen lights, then CFLs are fine. I actually prefer how the CFLs are dimmer initially when not warmed up. It is easier on our eyes and then in a minute or so they are at full brightness which is also desirable.
I was a firm believer of CFLs until I saw one explode. Not a huge fan of exploding things. So it came down to what I was seeing in the world of LEDs, and yes they are costly, but not only can you buy lovely bulbs that last longer, but they have some with remotes, and change colors! All this and they are cheaper to run! For each CFL that dies in my house....a LED lives on!
I agree -- exploding stuff sucks, and doesn't belong in the home! Personally I trust my own experiences, and my experience with CFLs has often shown that they are DEFINITELY more prone to unpleasant events. I've never actually seen one explode, but I don't doubt that for a second. As Joe said, they can certainly light themselves on fire. I've seen this actual event occur once myself (actually seeing the flames start), and also had several others which, by the time I found them dead, definitely appeared to have been on fire at the base. For this reason I no longer will operate CFLs when I'm not actually present. Not to mention, where I live, it's starting to get hard to get rid of the damned things. It's illegal to toss CFLs in the trash, and Home Depot (bless their hearts) is the only home center / retail store that still accepts them for disposal in my area. Eventually I'm sure NOBODY will want to take them. THEN what are people gonna do with 'em? CFLs are a toxic, annoying abomination that should never have been shoved down our throats!
Yeah, I just moved into an apartment, and have been replacing all the bulbs with LEDs as every single one was a incandescent. Definitely need to do the bathroom ASAP as it has 6 40-60 watt incandescents that come on with one switch. (5 on the medicine cabinet/mirror alone)
LEDs have another big advantage: they last longer when they are turned on and off. The rated lifetime for CFLs are based on usage cases of 3 hour periods which will NOT be the case for hallways, closets, bathrooms (I hope). so you will get shorter lifespans. Also, CFLs have problems operating in cold temperatures and the on-off cycle, combined with temperature performance shortens the already shorter lifespan of CFLs in outdoor lighting problem in cold climates which is another advantage of LEDs: most outdoor light fixtures are a pain or even costly (specialized labor/tools) to change. A common usage case that comes to mind is New England Christmas lighting (the durability is a plus given the handling of putting them up and down and storing them and taking out I guess). I guess in that application CFLs are a no go because of size.
When I was about 7 maybe? I had bumped my fluorescent lamp, (which was burning out) it sparked and the bulb caught fire for about 9 seconds and melted my lamp. It also melted my favorite childhood blanket.
CFL 60W output at 13W---------------LED 60W output at 8.5W = LED use a lot less energy for the same light. CFL take time to worm up before they emit 60W equivalent light. If used in an unheated area like a garage this can be up to two minutes or more. LED emit 60W equivalent light right away. I purchased 16 new LED bulbs at the H D for $24.00 that's $1.50 a bulb. I changed out a 16 bulb chandelier that had 13W CFL = 208W to 16 bulb 8.5W LED = 136W and no wait for the equivalent light. I sold the 16 13W CFL bulbs at a yard sale for .50 cents each = $8.00. $8.00 from $24.00 = $16.00 paid for change out of chandelier or $1.00 a bulb. A lot less mercury, a lot less heat, looks better and electric savings to boot.
The only advantage of CFL is that it can be used in hot environments. Even though LEDs use less energy, if you put them in a closed lampshade, they can get very hot and LED doesn't like that. This reduces their life span drastically.
The best advice: Only replace your CFL's with LED's for your most used bulbs (3-4hours+/day) else the inital cost will probably never be surpassed by the long term efficiency. After replacing the key bulbs you should replace your desktop PSU for a platinum/titanium graded one (400-600w).
I got rid of all my CFLs and totally switched every bulb to LED including the one in the refrigerator. My light bill went down even further. 2022 Update: I'm currently replacing my fluorescent tubes with LED ballast bypass tubes. So I'll save more money by getting rid of ballasts and fluorescent tubes.
The company I work at has changed all their lights to LED and phased out the florescent tubes. Personally, I prefer the CFL in my home because its easy to select the color, very efficient and last a long time. In addition, I use florescent tubes for my gardening project due to cost and performance.
Yep CFLs are bad news when they start to burn out. One actually started to stink in one room but we did not know what was burning. The smell was a faint acrid burning smell, just enough to notice. Did not know where it was coming from because the bulb was one of several in one light fixture. Finally tracked the smell to it. The base was very hot but the bulb was still lit. I am switching to LEDs.
I'm still on the side of the CFLs. Two years ago we installed the "good" Osram LEDs and all of them are replaced by new ones by now. Even some of those new ones started to flicker by now. Nearly all of our CFLs lasted for far more than five years. If you dispose the lamp properly and handle it with care, the mercury won't cause harm to anybody, and will not be a problem. The problem of lots of electronics required to run CFLs and LEDs still exists. That's why i have an inductive ballasted flourescent fixture with glow starter installed in my room. It's about the best lighting option that you have (in my opinion).
Do you still using cfls? Since china led are so cheap now? I can get a 20w led globe bulb exported from china for $1. A 20w bulb manufactured here in Vietnam cost $3. And these china light bulb last so long. Not only they are water proof, dust proof, they are very bright too. Most of the vendor in night market, food vendors use them, also households in Vietnam too.
Unless I see scientific studies showing the mercury in a fluorescent bulb is nothing to worry about, I'm going to treat it as if it is something to worry about. I changed all my fluorescent lights to LEDs years ago because I got tired of going to great lengths to clean up the mess in a safe manner whenever a fluorescent broke.
Its insane that now in 2019 I just went to costco and got bunch of 6 pack of LEDs bulbs for 4 dollars a pack (with a utility company instant rebate for 11 dollars off, so it was 15 bucks original price) Thats 67 cents per bulb that only uses 11 watts for 1600 lumens with a 20,000 hour life span.
I agree LED is the way to go. Another benefit in Florida or other areas that use air-conditioning is that you don't have all of that waste heat. CFL is not as hot as incandescent but still much hotter than LED.
I've never had a CFL burn out like he describes. No burn marks at the base. They just flicker and then go out. There would have to be a fire at the base of the bulb for it to burn out like that.
A local college had switched to LED's in their elevators but the elevators have a stainless steel interior and it absorbs much of the light due to the narrow spectrum emitted so it's very dark compared to when the incandescent bulbs were used. For growing seedlings daylight CFL's have a color temperature of 6500 kelvin versus 5000 kelvin for LED's making CFL's a better choice but there are special LED grow lights available but the color spectrum still isn't quite right for starting seedlings. Oven bulbs must be incandescent to withstand the 500°F (260°C) at the present time but this could change in the future.
Nothing was worse than waiting that minute, which is even longer in the cold, when you just want to go outside or let dogs out and the 100W CFL comes on like a nightlight.
Fun fact, the life span is only referred to the chip, the electronics (fuses,capacitors) don't live so much, i bought 10 lightbulb led 4w and 1 of them already "burned" so i think i will use the led in "quick" places like bathroom, stairwell ,ecc. But i will keep using the cfl for outdoor and living room area
The current state back then and still today is that CFL can have a way higher possible Illumination (Lumen) then any LED could. Try looking up a LED for 1000 Lm and one CFL for 1000 lm, you will see the difference cause the prices explode in that ranges of lighting. And before anyone ask, I have a big floor with just two lamps and it irritates me that even I have the lights on, I get huge shadows in every corner. So I using quite high-power cfl bulbs, 6000 - 6500k with 18-20, depending on manufacturer.
One pain with LEDs is that you can't use them inside of fully enclosed fixtures. You can use CFLs for this though. I'm running into this in two areas right now.
ThioJoeTech-Thanx a mil for this great info video comparing bulbs-only one thing forgot to mention is if these bulbs are shatterproof & made from recycled & recyclable rigid plastic on the bulb part where its usually glass. Am looking to buy recyclable plastic bulb since I had an incandesent glass bulb shatter into bits in my bare hand recently while trying to unscrew bulb from a lamplite worklite.
LED is always gonna be better for one reason: it's the same technology used in phones, phone screens NEVER go out (well not for many many many many years) and if they go out, it's not that much more expensive to go grab another. LED is the future!
Cfls are less expensive than led bulbs. The LEDs have more directional shine, not allowing the light to shine on the table and pictures appear darkened. Only incandescent lights can be compatible with wax warmers. A few kinds of led lights take a small amount of time to turn on. Cfls and incandescent bulbs even have a better lighting angle than LEDs. Unlike led bulbs, if you use cfls and incandescent bulbs, they can melt snow off of out door fixtures allowing the lights to be more effective. Some led bulbs are made to glass and it broke from a 1 foot drop. Those are just some advantages over led bulbs.
Be careful!! Most people post the led firmware as the incandescent one. If you put a lower one, like the incandescent, you will brick the lamp. Beware!!
My CFL bulb in my room just burned out 2 nights ago and I replaced it with an LED bulb that's advertised to last 22 years. Leds seem to be a lot better with the same amount of lumens.
It IS better to replace any bulb with an LED. It's actually monumental as far as coal mining, and mountain top removal. Switch all your bulbs to LED. You will not only save on average about $600/year in the ave house, but you will also be saving the land from coal mining/burning!
LED are awesome bulbs! highly durable and you save lots of money. If you use LEDs about 4 hours you can make your money back in one year compared to incandescent which is awesome!
There is not much savings on them. I bought recently 120w/16watts bulb, package says : estimated yearly 1.90$, lol. Even if you install 20 bulbs at home, too little savings.
Yes, Ive purchased LEDs. Mainly they use much less energy. This must be a plus. Funny though, when I was younger and before that, everyone used the old fashioned bulbs that used 60 watt and above. They seemed to need changing a lot they always popped. But......electricity was cheaper so it probably evened itself out. In those days I don't remember many discussions about saving energy, we use to leave lights on. LEDs are too expensive. I believe manufacturers have bumped prices up in the name of less energy. The CFLs to which I still have many, and some were freebies. They seemed great idea at the time, use far less watts but sooooo slow to get bright. I've never had one explode or smoke and my old wiring was, well, very very old. I'm sure the ones I had were Philips and rarely, just didn't work if they failed. So, what does one do with them now ? Throw? Keep for old times sake ? How will they evolve from now ? Or, will we one day revert back to the candle? Hmmmmmmmmm
I can`t tell if it makes sense to move from CFL to LED, but if you still have incandescent bulbs, which soon be banned, you`d better do this, as LED produce less heat, consume less power and last much longer.
but they turn fully on in 0.5 seconds they are not ugly they use less energy and don't contain mercury or any poisonous gases and the don't catch on fire and explode unlike cfls and the note 7
@@javieraravena3972 I love how all these morons are saying how LED bulbs are dangerous while prodding around compact fluorescent bulbs which literally release mercury if they break and incandescent bulbs which burn your skin if you touch them (I was badly burnt by one when I was young).
LEDs hum, create radio noise, can set themselves in fire (cheap chinese ones), do not give ambient light, but more of a direct spotlight. Also only special expensive led lamps can be dimmable and the installation of special dimmers may be required.
we have leds in our house, except the kitchen, and the bathrooms, garage and closet, laundry, oh and the outside as well but thats where it gets hot and its not really most needed
very good and impressive man. But you forgot one essential thing about the comparison....the difference/comparison of lumens/brightness of led and cfl per watt....you missed it.
Can you please compare the lumen output between the LED and CFL lights. I think this is one of the most important factors to consider. Some research online shows the CFL as 90% brighter.
You also forgot to mention that cfls can work better in the heat as LEDS die out faster when they work in hot tempratures, i'm changing out commercial exterior shop lights with the fixtures that are enclosed, and I buy cfls cause the heat is going to be trapped inside and its going to affect the performance or the lumens if it is going to be led.
I like the color temp and color consistency of LEDs. On CFL every make and model seems to have a different color temp. If you get a 3000 degree LED it will look very much like an incandescent.
@2:25 This is not entirely true. The outer globe on some LED lights are made of glass. @2:45 I can add some information. It's not uncommon for LED lights to become very hot at the base of the bulb; they can become so hot they will even burn people.
I'm a cfl guy the amount of mercury in those bulbs are harmless. and in my opinion there both great bubs however I'll go with a cfl for nostalgia and over all mornings I like to not blind myself.
LED bulbs are decent for standard uses. However when you start getting into Lumen/Lux/PAR demands, LEDs just do not perform as well as a CFL. A 23 watt CFL will put out 1600 L. The equivalent LED only puts out 960 L. Now do not get me wrong in the same demand HPS/CMH/DMH/CA/CH bulbs will average at around 50,000 L per 400 watts. A 400 watt LED is only going to put out around 18,000 L. LED lights still have a long way to go to even come close to some of the other tech.
I have been using both LED and CFL bulb, In real life the LED lifespans is way shorter than than CFL most of them last a bout a year for an average of 12 hrs a day of using while the CFL last at least x2 longer than the LED ( these is the result of my two light bulb LED vs CFL which turn on and off at the same time ) in the other hand 100 watts equivalent CFL are much brighter than 100 watts LED, lastly the price for the LED are 3 time Higher than CFL ... CFL = Win
CFL light were replaced in our house because of a fire hazard , we had three burn into the base and crack with a bad smell and smoke , and know of one user whose house caught fire with cfl's the cause Replaced with LED and we found out they dont last very long with some gone in 1000 hours or less with blinking fading and fast flickering
I don't mean this to sound snarky, but I can't think of any other way to word it, so I'll just ask: Are you buying really cheap LEDs? Because they should last much longer than that, and this is one of those things where you get what you pay for. I started swapping out the CFLs for LEDs seven or eight years ago, and so far I've replaced _one_ of the LED bulbs.
LED's were purchased at Home Depot , Kents and lighting fixture stores, all with big claims of energy savings and time usage and by well known manufactuters , and we use electric for heat so switching to cfl or led's does not save a lot as the heat loss has to be replaced by electric heaters
@@MrDynamitd I'm sorry, but the "it saves money on heat" claim just doesn't wash. First off, any money you did save in the winter is going to be cancelled out in the summer, when you're using the lights which provide heat in the house while simultaneously running the a/c to cool the house. Secondly, it's a really inefficient way to try and provide heat. I just ran a "quick and dirty" experiment in my home office. I have a 1500w space heater, and to raise the temperature in my office by 5 degrees takes the heater running about 15 minutes. Back when I had two 75w incandescents in the light fixture, having the lights on 2 1/2 hours would have pulled the same amount of electricity, and there was no way the room was five degrees warmer. I'd rather use my lights to provide light and the heater to provide heat than to try and justify using really inefficient lights on the grounds that they "lower heating costs" I started moving to CFLs (and later LEDs) about 20 years ago. Even after 20 years of rate increases, my monthly bills are _still_ lower than they were when I was using incandescents
At minus 20 Celcius last week with a lower wind chill than that ,it certainly does make a difference , we used more wood to make up for the loss in heat plus electric over the last 4-5 winters (wood is a back up for us) .Summer AC does not apply as the house heats up in the daytime we open windows on the south side in the evening along with windows on the north side , the Bay of Fundy cool breezes will cool the house 10 degrees farenhight over night . Only houses with AC are the ones which have installed a heat pump.Natural gas is not available and propane fluctuates in price too much So I am sorry if this fails the sniff test but try living in our winters ( the year of dirty storms - snow freezing rain ice pellets rain then bitter cold)
interesting. thanks for the info. came to this when i happened to realize how my little LED lamp for my betta aquarium just gave out this nice lighting to my room. not too bright nor dim; just the right brightness. needless to say ide be using it more often unless told otherwise, and that it would be an unfavorable decision
Most CFLs actually take longer than 1 minute to get to their full brightness. I have never actually measured their exact light output, but at turn on they produce probably about a third of their full output, possibly less, and then over the course of 2-6 minutes come up to their full brightness. The best ones light up more fully faster. As far as the quality (durability, life) of LED lights goes, the main, and often only reason for their much shorter than rated life (and efficiency) is a poor design which focuses mostly, if not exclusively, on making them cheaper. Most LED lights fail because the LED components ("emitters") in them are driven by a larger-than-recommended current, which overheats them and shortens their life. Additional reason is the insufficient cooling due mostly to the limited size of the bulb enclosure (casing). It is currently unrealistic to make LED bulbs rated at more than 10-12 watts and expect them to last even close to their rated life. I've had a 16W Austrian LED bulb that came with a 5-year warranty. While it produced a lot of light, probably equivalent to a 150-200W incadescent bulb, it started failing about a few months (around half a year) into its use. I had 2 of them, and both had most of their LEDs' yellow phosphorus coating turning brown (slow-burn) which reduces their light output over time. MOST LED bulbs out there are not carefully engineered and will definitely not be as long-lasting as claimed. You really need to open them up (while understanding electronics) to see how well are they really made. The more LEDs they have inside AND the cooler they run, the longer they will last.
Just moved into my very first place, trailer decent size. 2 bedroom 850 Sq ft. Immediately changed all the bulbs to leds throughout the whole house. and even the weather being 15-30 degrees outside all month the first bill was only 64 dollars total usage cost.
Since you replaced the bulbs the minute you moved in, you don't know what the bill would have been. Plus, you should add the extra price of the bulbs onto that $64 dollars.
So changing the bulbs to LED saved you like 2 dollars? You do realise that bulbs consume next to nothing? CFL runs on about 18 W. 18X electrcity price in Kwatts X hours run X days run /1000. So lets say you pay 15 ct per Kwh. How many bubs you have? 5? 0.15X5X18X6*hours (unless you live at night)/1000 X30 days = 2.43. So yea you would spend on CFL 2.43 a month. Buying Leds you would spend half of that:1.20 a month. So you saved slihtly over 1 buck. Well done. In the meantime your refrigerator consumes about 200 Watts 24/7.
For kitchen light in cieling But i have window sun come in Which type of downlight i should use I already have light 15cm size panel i think but not sure type
There were many videos posted about the side effects of using LED light bulbs. When they break people after while would get sick. I am not sure if it is true because I been using LED lights for many years now and had few break and here I am. Thanks for the video!
I think the problem (at least for me) is that I do not know how to compute what brightness is acceptable and safe to use in lighting fixtures that are labeled (for instance) "No more than 60 watts." It will take a while before out old incandescent light fixtures' labeling catches up with the technology. I want the brightest light that the fixture will safely allow.
I've never met or seen anyone who is into lightbulbs like Joe.
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Well once you look up a bit of info, it's hard to not look it ALL up
Is he a bulb expert
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Note: The metal screw in part of an LED bulb still gets really hot. Keep that in mind when removing a bulb after it's been on for a while.
Found 48 bulbs for 60$ at Costco. Changed all the CFL bulbs in my house. LED 5000k brightness bulb is really amazing.
At current prices LED bulbs beat CFL
Led bulbs tend to focus light straight up or down but CFLs disperse light sideways like an incandescent bulb.
And this week I found a two pack of LEDs at the Dollar Tree. 50 cents for a sunbeam LED is hard to beat.
Never knew the differences between the two. Thanks for spreading the knowledge Joe. Always leave here that much smarter.
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Me either bro
After switching from Incandescent to CFL and then to LED I have to admit that I'm definitely more pleased with the overall experience with the LED bulbs. I did have one bulb that failed in some unusual ways, as in it had an array of LED's inside it and some of them started to fail over time long before the entire bulb itself decided to stop working. Which was strange. It was a 100w equivalent Cree bulb. And just one example. Other Cree and Sylvania bulbs, as well as random other brands that I can't remember, have performed without issue. Now depending on how often you're running lights your mileage may vary but I have enjoyed the energy efficiency of the LED's as well. The lack of heat compared to a CFL and more so an Incandescent which really pumped out the heat is also very welcomed. I haven't done any scientific runtime testing but my overall the LED's seem to live longer than CFL's. When I made the switch to CFL's years ago it seemed like they didn't last as long. And I mean it felt like a BIG gap in lifespan. LED's in the last few years have really surpassed that and while aren't as long lived as Incandescents they beat the crap out of CFL's.
Sorry if this comment seems to ramble a bit and is somewhat disjointed. Adding bits and pieces to it during work downtime. lol. The long and the short of it is that LED's are great.
Thanks for this video. I agree- replace burned out CFL's with LED's. I have watched a CFL bulb in a kitchen ceiling fixture actually smoke and catch fire after it died with a bright flash. I was very happy it was a hanging fixture and not a can or a ceiling hugger!
I am considering changing all the bulbs on the house I got confused with all those terms until I found your video. Very well explained. Thanks for sharing!
Dollartree are now selling 9W (60W equivalent) LED bulbs. This now makes them the most cost effective solution by far.
Led are absolutely worth it. Every apartment I’ve lived in, they always have/had incandescent bulbs. And after switching them out to LED, I consistently save $50 per month. So, even though they are more expensive or were, the long term savings is worth it. The fluorescent lights were a nice small jump in lighting technology, but the LED is the leap everyone should take.
The CFL is actually 400% more efficient than incandescent bulbs, and LEDs are 40-70% more efficient than CFL.
So, I should wait until my CFL bulbs stop working before changing them out to LED bulbs? Changing my working CFL bulbs to LED bulbs wouldn't be worth it?
Personally I'm letting my CFL stop working before I change them to LED but I live in BC Canada and our electric power is fairly cheap per kilowatt hour.
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cfl's also go yellow after awhile, if you have the daylight ones.
They do
Thats a good thing isn't it?? You bought the DAYLIGHT ones ;)
My house has been using CFL bulbs for over 6 years and ive never seen the bulbs' plastic turn black like that.
I mainly use GE bulbs.
You can use 100 W LED bulbs in a ceiling light fixture that limits wattage to 60 W, which will give you more light.
Please, just stop with the moving background. I got dizzy
It's winter where I am and my little apartment is compromised of natural light during the day, so I've been experimenting with different bulbs. I do like the peachy 'kick' of the CFL, but that light is somewhat intense or 'thick', noticeable after a long stretch of use. I now have the CFL in a small lamp in the kitchen - perfect. LEDs are so bright and efficient and yet their light has a 'plastic' quality to it. Nevertheless, they're very good. I have one halogen fixed into floor lamp in the living area where the shade is a white shell concave up. The halogen is wonderful during the day if I want to boost the sense of natural light in that particular room, but I do know they consume more power than the CFL or LED. Incidentally I never liked the incandescent bulbs much - while similar to halogen they threw off a slight pissy yellow that required a decent shade to tone down into something appearing elegant.
Led bulbs dont last as long they say (from my experience). The internal parts that power the led's probably last around 3-4k hours, sometimes less. But I still use them for the low power consumption.
Well I am sold... I came home tonight and the CFL we had in the floor light had not only burned out, but it melted the base and cracked and emitted a VERY nasty odor. Oh and left plenty of glass pieces in the floor lamp shade...
The one advantage of cfl over led is the light spread. LEDs are more focused and for some reason gives our shadow of every oject
Good point!
"Best" solution is to get some of each. They both have advantages and disadvantages. I like both and depending on what type of light I desire, I choose the appropriate bulb(s). I can get CFLs for $1 each and LEDs for $2 each so as far as price and electrical savings over years, it is a tossup. The heat concern depends on where the bulbs will be used. If they are down low like in a table lamp then lower heat lamps are desirable in a warm climate. If they will be used in a ceiling such as kitchen lights, then CFLs are fine. I actually prefer how the CFLs are dimmer initially when not warmed up. It is easier on our eyes and then in a minute or so they are at full brightness which is also desirable.
Costco was selling a 4 pack of LEDs for about $2.00. Bought two packs!
A 4 pack of led for $2 each or $2 for a 4 pack? Ill check em out at my costco if theyre $2 for a 4 pack
mixwell1983 it was a sale going on a while back. Probably bit more expensive but worth it!
Wal-Mart had four packs for $2 for a while. Now they're back up to around $4.
10 pack at Costco for about $14.99 do the math. Prices are dropping.
James Hyre yeeeeeaaaa yea
I was a firm believer of CFLs until I saw one explode. Not a huge fan of exploding things. So it came down to what I was seeing in the world of LEDs, and yes they are costly, but not only can you buy lovely bulbs that last longer, but they have some with remotes, and change colors! All this and they are cheaper to run! For each CFL that dies in my house....a LED lives on!
I agree -- exploding stuff sucks, and doesn't belong in the home! Personally I trust my own experiences, and my experience with CFLs has often shown that they are DEFINITELY more prone to unpleasant events. I've never actually seen one explode, but I don't doubt that for a second. As Joe said, they can certainly light themselves on fire. I've seen this actual event occur once myself (actually seeing the flames start), and also had several others which, by the time I found them dead, definitely appeared to have been on fire at the base. For this reason I no longer will operate CFLs when I'm not actually present.
Not to mention, where I live, it's starting to get hard to get rid of the damned things. It's illegal to toss CFLs in the trash, and Home Depot (bless their hearts) is the only home center / retail store that still accepts them for disposal in my area. Eventually I'm sure NOBODY will want to take them. THEN what are people gonna do with 'em?
CFLs are a toxic, annoying abomination that should never have been shoved down our throats!
The price went down a lot.
How ironic, a couple of years ago people said that CFL light bulbs were better than Incandescent light bulbs, and now a successor has take the title.
Yeah, I just moved into an apartment, and have been replacing all the bulbs with LEDs as every single one was a incandescent. Definitely need to do the bathroom ASAP as it has 6 40-60 watt incandescents that come on with one switch. (5 on the medicine cabinet/mirror alone)
It’s 2021 and my parents only JUST switched to led bulbs
LEDs have another big advantage: they last longer when they are turned on and off. The rated lifetime for CFLs are based on usage cases of 3 hour periods which will NOT be the case for hallways, closets, bathrooms (I hope). so you will get shorter lifespans. Also, CFLs have problems operating in cold temperatures and the on-off cycle, combined with temperature performance shortens the already shorter lifespan of CFLs in outdoor lighting problem in cold climates which is another advantage of LEDs: most outdoor light fixtures are a pain or even costly (specialized labor/tools) to change.
A common usage case that comes to mind is New England Christmas lighting (the durability is a plus given the handling of putting them up and down and storing them and taking out I guess). I guess in that application CFLs are a no go because of size.
When I was about 7 maybe? I had bumped my fluorescent lamp, (which was burning out) it sparked and the bulb caught fire for about 9 seconds and melted my lamp. It also melted my favorite childhood blanket.
CFL 60W output at 13W---------------LED 60W output at 8.5W = LED use a lot less energy for the same light. CFL take time to worm up before they emit 60W equivalent light. If used in an unheated area like a garage this can be up to two minutes or more. LED emit 60W equivalent light right away. I purchased 16 new LED bulbs at the H D for $24.00 that's $1.50 a bulb. I changed out a 16 bulb chandelier that had 13W CFL = 208W to 16 bulb 8.5W LED = 136W and no wait for the equivalent light. I sold the 16 13W CFL bulbs at a yard sale for .50 cents each = $8.00. $8.00 from $24.00 = $16.00 paid for change out of chandelier or $1.00 a bulb. A lot less mercury, a lot less heat, looks better and electric savings to boot.
The only advantage of CFL is that it can be used in hot environments.
Even though LEDs use less energy, if you put them in a closed lampshade, they can get very hot and LED doesn't like that. This reduces their life span drastically.
How ironic, a couple of years ago people said that CFL light bulbs were better than Incandescent light bulbs, and now a successor has take the title..
The best advice:
Only replace your CFL's with LED's for your most used bulbs (3-4hours+/day) else the inital cost will probably never be surpassed by the long term efficiency.
After replacing the key bulbs you should replace your desktop PSU for a platinum/titanium graded one (400-600w).
Lol I always buy new ones when the old ones break
I'd rather stick to incandescent and CFL
Also CFL have a big issue where they are very dim when they are in the cold until they fully warm up.
Replaced every bulb in my house with LED's from dollar tree about 6-8 months ago. No problems yet
most of my leds are philips and ikea
Joe, thank you. Because of this video Im buy my own LEDs (Bfranklin) and replace old CFLs
I got rid of all my CFLs and totally switched every bulb to LED including the one in the refrigerator. My light bill went down even further.
2022 Update: I'm currently replacing my fluorescent tubes with LED ballast bypass tubes. So I'll save more money by getting rid of ballasts and fluorescent tubes.
The company I work at has changed all their lights to LED and phased out the florescent tubes. Personally, I prefer the CFL in my home because its easy to select the color, very efficient and last a long time. In addition, I use florescent tubes for my gardening project due to cost and performance.
Or get the HUE bulbs I have them and I love how many whites I can have
Yeah...GARDENING projects.
Led light patterns are usually more unidirectional light, CFL lights emit light in all directions
But this gives you more control over the light with LEDs
Yep CFLs are bad news when they start to burn out. One actually started to stink in one room but we did not know what was burning. The smell was a faint acrid burning smell, just enough to notice. Did not know where it was coming from because the bulb was one of several in one light fixture. Finally tracked the smell to it. The base was very hot but the bulb was still lit. I am switching to LEDs.
I'm still on the side of the CFLs. Two years ago we installed the "good" Osram LEDs and all of them are replaced by new ones by now. Even some of those new ones started to flicker by now. Nearly all of our CFLs lasted for far more than five years. If you dispose the lamp properly and handle it with care, the mercury won't cause harm to anybody, and will not be a problem. The problem of lots of electronics required to run CFLs and LEDs still exists. That's why i have an inductive ballasted flourescent fixture with glow starter installed in my room. It's about the best lighting option that you have (in my opinion).
Do you still using cfls?
Since china led are so cheap now?
I can get a 20w led globe bulb exported from china for $1.
A 20w bulb manufactured here in Vietnam cost $3.
And these china light bulb last so long.
Not only they are water proof, dust proof, they are very bright too.
Most of the vendor in night market, food vendors use them, also households in Vietnam too.
@@bequanma i love chinese food only.
Unless I see scientific studies showing the mercury in a fluorescent bulb is nothing to worry about, I'm going to treat it as if it is something to worry about. I changed all my fluorescent lights to LEDs years ago because I got tired of going to great lengths to clean up the mess in a safe manner whenever a fluorescent broke.
Its insane that now in 2019 I just went to costco and got bunch of 6 pack of LEDs bulbs for 4 dollars a pack (with a utility company instant rebate for 11 dollars off, so it was 15 bucks original price) Thats 67 cents per bulb that only uses 11 watts for 1600 lumens with a 20,000 hour life span.
I agree LED is the way to go. Another benefit in Florida or other areas that use air-conditioning is that you don't have all of that waste heat. CFL is not as hot as incandescent but still much hotter than LED.
I've never had a CFL burn out like he describes. No burn marks at the base. They just flicker and then go out. There would have to be a fire at the base of the bulb for it to burn out like that.
A local college had switched to LED's in their elevators but the elevators have a stainless steel interior and it absorbs much of the light due to the narrow spectrum emitted so it's very dark compared to when the incandescent bulbs were used.
For growing seedlings daylight CFL's have a color temperature of 6500 kelvin versus 5000 kelvin for LED's making CFL's a better choice but there are special LED grow lights available but the color spectrum still isn't quite right for starting seedlings.
Oven bulbs must be incandescent to withstand the 500°F (260°C) at the present time but this could change in the future.
Nothing was worse than waiting that minute, which is even longer in the cold, when you just want to go outside or let dogs out and the 100W CFL comes on like a nightlight.
great information, something people don't consider all that much. Thank you!
I know your tricks Joe. Im not going to fall for the banana in the tail pipe!
Fun fact, the life span is only referred to the chip, the electronics (fuses,capacitors) don't live so much, i bought 10 lightbulb led 4w and 1 of them already "burned" so i think i will use the led in "quick" places like bathroom, stairwell ,ecc. But i will keep using the cfl for outdoor and living room area
LED are most efficient they are use as backing light now a day for flat screen as well. In modern TV thr LED are at the top of screen like a cellphone
The current state back then and still today is that CFL can have a way higher possible Illumination (Lumen) then any LED could. Try looking up a LED for 1000 Lm and one CFL for 1000 lm, you will see the difference cause the prices explode in that ranges of lighting.
And before anyone ask, I have a big floor with just two lamps and it irritates me that even I have the lights on, I get huge shadows in every corner. So I using quite high-power cfl bulbs, 6000 - 6500k with 18-20, depending on manufacturer.
I cant be 100% sure but this guy could actually be the reason that I change from cfl to led.
One pain with LEDs is that you can't use them inside of fully enclosed fixtures. You can use CFLs for this though. I'm running into this in two areas right now.
Lowe's have a good deal for a four pack of LED's for 5 dollars
ThioJoeTech-Thanx a mil for this great info video comparing bulbs-only one thing forgot to mention is if these bulbs are shatterproof & made from recycled & recyclable rigid plastic on the bulb part where its usually glass. Am looking to buy recyclable plastic bulb since I had an incandesent glass bulb shatter into bits in my bare hand recently while trying to unscrew bulb from a lamplite worklite.
LED is always gonna be better for one reason: it's the same technology used in phones, phone screens NEVER go out (well not for many many many many years) and if they go out, it's not that much more expensive to go grab another. LED is the future!
Cfls are less expensive than led bulbs. The LEDs have more directional shine, not allowing the light to shine on the table and pictures appear darkened. Only incandescent lights can be compatible with wax warmers. A few kinds of led lights take a small amount of time to turn on. Cfls and incandescent bulbs even have a better lighting angle than LEDs. Unlike led bulbs, if you use cfls and incandescent bulbs, they can melt snow off of out door fixtures allowing the lights to be more effective. Some led bulbs are made to glass and it broke from a 1 foot drop. Those are just some advantages over led bulbs.
how can you upgrade the firmware in a CLF to an LED bulb. cheers
Yeah Thio! Where is the tutorial video???
Via WiFi!
David Power you have to flash it with the new firmware.
Be careful!! Most people post the led firmware as the incandescent one. If you put a lower one, like the incandescent, you will brick the lamp. Beware!!
Hahaha
My CFL bulb in my room just burned out 2 nights ago and I replaced it with an LED bulb that's advertised to last 22 years. Leds seem to be a lot better with the same amount of lumens.
It IS better to replace any bulb with an LED. It's actually monumental as far as coal mining, and mountain top removal. Switch all your bulbs to LED. You will not only save on average about $600/year in the ave house, but you will also be saving the land from coal mining/burning!
LED are awesome bulbs! highly durable and you save lots of money. If you use LEDs about 4 hours you can make your money back in one year compared to incandescent which is awesome!
There is not much savings on them. I bought recently 120w/16watts bulb, package says : estimated yearly 1.90$, lol. Even if you install 20 bulbs at home, too little savings.
Yes, Ive purchased LEDs. Mainly they use much less energy. This must be a plus. Funny though, when I was younger and before that, everyone used the old fashioned bulbs that used 60 watt and above. They seemed to need changing a lot they always popped.
But......electricity was cheaper so it probably evened itself out. In those days I don't remember many discussions about saving energy, we use to leave lights on. LEDs are too expensive. I believe manufacturers have bumped prices up in the name of less energy. The CFLs to which I still have many, and some were freebies. They seemed great idea at the time, use far less watts but sooooo slow to get bright. I've never had one explode or smoke and my old wiring was, well, very very old. I'm sure the ones I had were Philips and rarely, just didn't work if they failed. So, what does one do with them now ? Throw? Keep for old times sake ? How will they evolve from now ? Or, will we one day revert back to the candle? Hmmmmmmmmm
I can`t tell if it makes sense to move from CFL to LED, but if you still have incandescent bulbs, which soon be banned, you`d better do this, as LED produce less heat, consume less power and last much longer.
but they turn fully on in 0.5 seconds they are not ugly they use less energy and don't contain mercury or any poisonous gases and the don't catch on fire and explode unlike cfls and the note 7
LED are my favorite type of lighting I was them all the time for fun lighting projects
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Incendecent lights will take revenge!!! Well, some day...
@@magnushederstjerna5975 nope cause they are not coming back
@@javieraravena3972 I love how all these morons are saying how LED bulbs are dangerous while prodding around compact fluorescent bulbs which literally release mercury if they break and incandescent bulbs which burn your skin if you touch them (I was badly burnt by one when I was young).
LEDs hum, create radio noise, can set themselves in fire (cheap chinese ones), do not give ambient light, but more of a direct spotlight. Also only special expensive led lamps can be dimmable and the installation of special dimmers may be required.
I've had CFL's shoot sparks and crackle when they burn out. That shit is crazy.
I've used CFLs for over 6 years and all of them have died peacefully. I'm not sure why that isn't the case overseas.
Just wondering how well led's perform in different temperature settings such as a range hood light or an outdoor porch light in the winter.
LED's like cold not heat.
we have leds in our house, except the kitchen, and the bathrooms, garage and closet, laundry, oh and the outside as well but thats where it gets hot and its not really most needed
i recommend going for a brand.. even a cheap brand if it offers more than one years warranty.
can't stand the wave length of a cfl. the light is shit. led yes thumbs up much more real light. almost as good a natural daylight
very good and impressive man. But you forgot one essential thing about the comparison....the difference/comparison of lumens/brightness of led and cfl per watt....you missed it.
some led's lux (intensity) isn't so high. So it is worth considering that when buying one.
I was thinking the same thing. Many places only carry the 60 watt equivalent. But I do see 75 or 100 watt equivalents online.
Can you please compare the lumen output between the LED and CFL lights. I think this is one of the most important factors to consider. Some research online shows the CFL as 90% brighter.
Can I use a LED Wall lantern on a covered outdoor porch? Will it work?
You also forgot to mention that cfls can work better in the heat as LEDS die out faster when they work in hot tempratures, i'm changing out commercial exterior shop lights with the fixtures that are enclosed, and I buy cfls cause the heat is going to be trapped inside and its going to affect the performance or the lumens if it is going to be led.
I like the color temp and color consistency of LEDs. On CFL every make and model seems to have a different color temp. If you get a 3000 degree LED it will look very much like an incandescent.
but there are 2000k leds
@2:25 This is not entirely true. The outer globe on some LED lights are made of glass.
@2:45 I can add some information. It's not uncommon for LED lights to become very hot at the base of the bulb; they can become so hot they will even burn people.
Please do a video on 'How to convert CFL to LED' ...on your other channel.
I'm a cfl guy the amount of mercury in those bulbs are harmless. and in my opinion there both great bubs however I'll go with a cfl for nostalgia and over all mornings I like to not blind myself.
It's 2018 LED bulbs are really inexpensive.
@Justin Bennett i'm 19 and i switched my entire house with LED and some to my grandma
@@cloneunknown388 how is the light bill going? I'm 19 too I want to switch to led, is the lightning better?
@@cloneunknown388
I have a question.
4 dollar great value
They sell them at the dollar store now.
LED bulbs are decent for standard uses. However when you start getting into Lumen/Lux/PAR demands, LEDs just do not perform as well as a CFL. A 23 watt CFL will put out 1600 L. The equivalent LED only puts out 960 L. Now do not get me wrong in the same demand HPS/CMH/DMH/CA/CH bulbs will average at around 50,000 L per 400 watts. A 400 watt LED is only going to put out around 18,000 L. LED lights still have a long way to go to even come close to some of the other tech.
Joe i probably did not get all of it....so do led bulbs have better illumination than cfl?
Fantastic video! Thanks, Thio Joe!
Thanks man it was really helpful and it is truly admirable how dedicated you are to this theme which is often undervalued :)
Read the EPA instructions to clean up a broken CFL or long tube type florescent bulbs.
Or CNET
I have been using both LED and CFL bulb, In real life the LED lifespans is way shorter than than CFL most of them last a bout a year for an average of 12 hrs a day of using while the CFL last at least x2 longer than the LED ( these is the result of my two light bulb LED vs CFL which turn on and off at the same time ) in the other hand 100 watts equivalent CFL are much brighter than 100 watts LED, lastly the price for the LED are 3 time Higher than CFL ... CFL = Win
CFL light were replaced in our house because of a fire hazard , we had three burn into the base and crack with a bad smell and smoke , and know of one user whose house caught fire with cfl's the cause Replaced with LED and we found out they dont last very long with some gone in 1000 hours or less with blinking fading and fast flickering
I don't mean this to sound snarky, but I can't think of any other way to word it, so I'll just ask: Are you buying really cheap LEDs? Because they should last much longer than that, and this is one of those things where you get what you pay for. I started swapping out the CFLs for LEDs seven or eight years ago, and so far I've replaced _one_ of the LED bulbs.
LED's were purchased at Home Depot , Kents and lighting fixture stores, all with big claims of energy savings and time usage and by well known manufactuters , and we use electric for heat so switching to cfl or led's does not save a lot as the heat loss has to be replaced by electric heaters
@@MrDynamitd I'm sorry, but the "it saves money on heat" claim just doesn't wash. First off, any money you did save in the winter is going to be cancelled out in the summer, when you're using the lights which provide heat in the house while simultaneously running the a/c to cool the house.
Secondly, it's a really inefficient way to try and provide heat. I just ran a "quick and dirty" experiment in my home office. I have a 1500w space heater, and to raise the temperature in my office by 5 degrees takes the heater running about 15 minutes.
Back when I had two 75w incandescents in the light fixture, having the lights on 2 1/2 hours would have pulled the same amount of electricity, and there was no way the room was five degrees warmer.
I'd rather use my lights to provide light and the heater to provide heat than to try and justify using really inefficient lights on the grounds that they "lower heating costs"
I started moving to CFLs (and later LEDs) about 20 years ago. Even after 20 years of rate increases, my monthly bills are _still_ lower than they were when I was using incandescents
At minus 20 Celcius last week with a lower wind chill than that ,it certainly does make a difference , we used more wood to make up for the loss in heat plus electric over the last 4-5 winters (wood is a back up for us) .Summer AC does not apply as the house heats up in the daytime we open windows on the south side in the evening along with windows on the north side , the Bay of Fundy cool breezes will cool the house 10 degrees farenhight over night . Only houses with AC are the ones which have installed a heat pump.Natural gas is not available and propane fluctuates in price too much So I am sorry if this fails the sniff test but try living in our winters ( the year of dirty storms - snow freezing rain ice pellets rain then bitter cold)
I use incendecent lights, CFLs and flourecent lights and they work just fine! :D
but cfls are dangerous and they suck like crap
interesting. thanks for the info.
came to this when i happened to realize how my little LED lamp for my betta aquarium just gave out this nice lighting to my room. not too bright nor dim; just the right brightness.
needless to say ide be using it more often unless told otherwise, and that it would be an unfavorable decision
He grows weed! Especially with this light knowledge
Hoovw
This is why im here bahahah 😂
LED only
The irony, that Thabba Jabba has over 400k subs, and this one doesnt have 100k just yet at the time of this posting lol
Most CFLs actually take longer than 1 minute to get to their full brightness. I have never actually measured their exact light output, but at turn on they produce probably about a third of their full output, possibly less, and then over the course of 2-6 minutes come up to their full brightness. The best ones light up more fully faster.
As far as the quality (durability, life) of LED lights goes, the main, and often only reason for their much shorter than rated life (and efficiency) is a poor design which focuses mostly, if not exclusively, on making them cheaper.
Most LED lights fail because the LED components ("emitters") in them are driven by a larger-than-recommended current, which overheats them and shortens their life. Additional reason is the insufficient cooling due mostly to the limited size of the bulb enclosure (casing).
It is currently unrealistic to make LED bulbs rated at more than 10-12 watts and expect them to last even close to their rated life. I've had a 16W Austrian LED bulb that came with a 5-year warranty. While it produced a lot of light, probably equivalent to a 150-200W incadescent bulb, it started failing about a few months (around half a year) into its use. I had 2 of them, and both had most of their LEDs' yellow phosphorus coating turning brown (slow-burn) which reduces their light output over time.
MOST LED bulbs out there are not carefully engineered and will definitely not be as long-lasting as claimed.
You really need to open them up (while understanding electronics) to see how well are they really made. The more LEDs they have inside AND the cooler they run, the longer they will last.
Umm I’ve had some leds to go out but I still got my cfl bulb from childhood sir😂😂 I take it with me anytime we move houses
Just moved into my very first place, trailer decent size. 2 bedroom 850 Sq ft. Immediately changed all the bulbs to leds throughout the whole house. and even the weather being 15-30 degrees outside all month the first bill was only 64 dollars total usage cost.
Since you replaced the bulbs the minute you moved in, you don't know what the bill would have been. Plus, you should add the extra price of the bulbs onto that $64 dollars.
So changing the bulbs to LED saved you like 2 dollars? You do realise that bulbs consume next to nothing? CFL runs on about 18 W. 18X electrcity price in Kwatts X hours run X days run /1000. So lets say you pay 15 ct per Kwh. How many bubs you have? 5? 0.15X5X18X6*hours (unless you live at night)/1000 X30 days = 2.43. So yea you would spend on CFL 2.43 a month. Buying Leds you would spend half of that:1.20 a month. So you saved slihtly over 1 buck. Well done. In the meantime your refrigerator consumes about 200 Watts 24/7.
CFL are perfect for your bathroom lights. Simply for your morning when you wake up it’s not so intense like leds.
For kitchen light in cieling
But i have window sun come in
Which type of downlight i should use
I already have light 15cm size panel i think but not sure type
There were many videos posted about the side effects of using LED light bulbs. When they break people after while would get sick. I am not sure if it is true because I been using LED lights for many years now and had few break and here I am. Thanks for the video!
Don't you mean CFLs?
I think the problem (at least for me) is that I do not know how to compute what brightness is acceptable and safe to use in lighting fixtures that are labeled (for instance) "No more than 60 watts." It will take a while before out old incandescent light fixtures' labeling catches up with the technology. I want the brightest light that the fixture will safely allow.
I would recommend a 60w equivalent CFL or LED (about 720 lumens) but theoretically you could use anything up to a 60w LED/CFL (6300/4500 lumens).
I just bought 12 60 watt equiv. 8 W LED bulbs for $12 at Dollar Tree.