Many thanks ooBill, I have watched quite a few of your how to repair videos, they are very informative and very interesting. As a keen repair man myself, it is good to see how other people do things and also learn how to do it. Well done. You are are an inspiration to us all
Good work Bill. Over compressed brush springs in a Ringfield Motor. Who would have thought. I looked at a Lima Diesel for my club a few weeks ago that had the same symptoms. After being told not to go as far as stripping the motor down I now suspect that it could have been fixed. Thanks for the tips. Happy Modelling
Bill. There is a small black retainer part on the side of the motor that is designed to be unscrewed first to allow the bogie to drop out. Its the same on a Mainline Peak model. Hope that helps if you ever get a peak in the future to repair.
Another great video Bill. Speaking with hindsight (!!!); would your ammeter have registered a short circuit at the outset when in fact it showed 100 mAmps presumably the loco lighting consumption? Normally ,as in this case, the ammeter reads about 200 mA, but I recall one recent when the repaired loco was drawing 300 mA. It would be interesting if you could explain sometime how useful a tool the ammeter is or might be.
I've a few of these ex Mainline and Dapol models and I think they're great - never had any trouble with them though I'll know what to look out for now if they stop running!
The 56 is actually a Mainline model, and that's the original Mainline ringfield motor design. The plastic bracket which was screwed on over the brush housings is the bogie fixing bracket, which you remove to remove the bogie rather than flexing the chassis.
Very interesting, I’ve got a Bachman tornado that has issues with its valve gear jamming on certain curves , it drives me nuts. I might pick up the courage to look at it. Thanks for the video.
Bill, the cheapest new 56s I've seen recently are at DC kits, who are selling a couple in EWS & a triple grey liveries for £85 each. TMC has a BR blue example at £130. I picked up a large logo version for £126 from Kernow about a month ago, but they're now out of stock. It looks like an intentional hybrid to me. Components from all the tooling owners over the years seem present: Mainline, Dapol, Hornby, who, of course, also added in Lima bits. I very much enjoyed watching you meticulously diagnose and solve the problem. It didn't seem to be pulling that much power by the time you'd finished with it. The 56s are an impressive class. Good to see many of them plying their trade once more, and even becoming body donors to the new 69s. .
Well done bill , as soon as i saw how short those springs were i knew you would sort it ,, i`ve got the `Load Haul ` livery 56 lovely loco ....fitted a cd drive motor,and led lights and runs on dcc 👍👍
One needs to be alert when purchasing a Hornby Class 56. One is the old Mainline tooling which was a model the likes as have never been seen before when it was produced decades ago. However Hornby have produced an amazingly detailed retooled rendition of the Class 56 and one needs to be cautious when purchasing from a well known auction site as a seller might well try and pass off the older model for the newer one.
Yet another great video with some great detective work….brush spring!!! A great start to this week, great work as always. All best Marc from Leighton Buzzard.. looking forward to The Layout Update video😎
I have five of those. Had much fun 'upgrading' them with LEDs and dcc. Down to Barrie Davies channel demonstrating them a few years back. He seems to have gone missing again. Anyone know why?
Loving how the layout is progressing some great modeling with lovely touches of detail and is one of the best on TH-cam. My only critique regarding the layout albeit minor is not the modelling itself but the exposed painted polystyrene it just looks untidy it would look so much better capped off with some ply or mdf it would give the layout a more polished look, as well as providing some extra protection to polystyrene not sure if this is just an oversight or something you had planed to address later on down the line
Good work Bill, that’s the old Mainline / Dapol class 56 rebadged as Hornby and still retaining all the flakiness of the Mainline mech. I had the same short spring issue on my Mainline Warship. If you’re looking to add one to your fleet you’d be better off with the newer Hornby central motor version which will be dropping in price as the Cavalex 56 roles out.
Hi Bill, This model looks a lot like a cross between the Lima class 57 and the Mainline class 56. Could be in the search of cheapness they cobbled this loco together, Lima chassis and Mainline body.
As Lima are now part of Hornby International it may well be on the Hornby Railroad models that they are using updated Lima type ringfield motors across all of the brands now under the Hornby umbrella. Once you got it on your layout it even sounded like a Lima model, though with slightly less scratchy sounding gears.
To remove the bogie, there is a small plastic tab on the front of the faceplate held in by a screw. Remove the screw and tab and the bogie will drop out.
I have the same Hornby 56 but sadly mine also needs a repair which is in the form of a replacement bogie as some adventurous shunting damaged the coupling beyond repair. Due to its moulded on design the only logical action is to replace the bogie.
ive just stripped a similar class 56 added full lighting and DCC chip but still noisy, but looking at those springs mine seem longer maybe hence the noise
Iv'e had the mainline and Dapol model before I got the Hornby version and they aren't easy to get at to for any repairs to carry out, so fiddly not like the later models are now.
Dapol bought the tooling for all of the Palitoy Mainline model railroad products (mostly former Airfix GMR Ready-to-Run products), except the Steamers, when General Mills wound up Palitoy in 1985. Palitoy didn't go broke, they were owned by General Mills who decided to put their focus back on food products and sell off the not-food companies they'd bought through the 1960s and 70s. They couldn't find a buyer for Palitoy, so it got broken up, the IP sold off, and factory closed. Hornby then bought the tooling from Dapol in 1996. A Mainline or Dapol Class 56 will be largely identical to this one, this was before Hornby meddled with bought-in designs (ala Lima). The Mainline Class 45 may be somewhat similar as well. Some of the Ex-Palitoy tooling is still sold, most obviously the Hornby Mk2d is the mid-70s Airfix one.
@@adamswindells1 Mainline was broken up and dissolved, nobody took it over. Kader got their Steam locos, their wagons, and some coaches. Using that, they launched Bachmann Branchline. Dapol got the diesels and the remaining coaches (eg the Airfix GMR Mk2d, now the Hornby Mk2d). Lima did do a Class 56, but Hornby wouldn't get it until 2005. They bought the ex-Mainline moulds from Dapol in (IIRC) 1993.
Yes but they are like 100 years old...... The Cavalex models are a all New Tooled model from the ground up. They are less expensoive then the Hornby model (The one that was designed by Hornby, with a proper motor driving both bogies, not the OLD Mainline one.) I have two of the 'super detailed' Hornby models, and they are far better then the old Mainline models. And I also have one of the Cavalex models, super quality.
@jamtart606 and as I said. I am on a budget and cant afford the new Cavalex ones. These are perfectly good for DC on a limited budget. I am glad you can afford 2 new models.
You know it's going to be a great week when an 00Bill vid drops Monday morning! Thanks so much.
COMPRESSED SPRINGS!!!! I dont think I would have thought of that ,brilliant repair once again
Many thanks ooBill, I have watched quite a few of your how to repair videos, they are very informative and very interesting. As a keen repair man myself, it is good to see how other people do things and also learn how to do it. Well done. You are are an inspiration to us all
Good work Bill.
Over compressed brush springs in a Ringfield Motor. Who would have thought.
I looked at a Lima Diesel for my club a few weeks ago that had the same symptoms.
After being told not to go as far as stripping the motor down I now suspect that it could have been fixed.
Thanks for the tips.
Happy Modelling
Great video bill 👍 the ring field motor was quite the challenge. Keep up the good work bill 👍
Bill. There is a small black retainer part on the side of the motor that is designed to be unscrewed first to allow the bogie to drop out. Its the same on a Mainline Peak model. Hope that helps if you ever get a peak in the future to repair.
Nice repair Bill. Love a bit of detective work. The beer at the Gnomes Legs must be good it's kept our visiting time traveller about for a while 😉😉
Another great video Bill. Speaking with hindsight (!!!); would your ammeter have registered a short circuit at the outset when in fact it showed 100 mAmps presumably the loco lighting consumption? Normally ,as in this case, the ammeter reads about 200 mA, but I recall one recent when the repaired loco was drawing 300 mA. It would be interesting if you could explain sometime how useful a tool the ammeter is or might be.
I've a few of these ex Mainline and Dapol models and I think they're great - never had any trouble with them though I'll know what to look out for now if they stop running!
The 56 is actually a Mainline model, and that's the original Mainline ringfield motor design.
The plastic bracket which was screwed on over the brush housings is the bogie fixing bracket, which you remove to remove the bogie rather than flexing the chassis.
Great repair there Bill! Really enjoyed this one.
Very interesting, I’ve got a Bachman tornado that has issues with its valve gear jamming on certain curves , it drives me nuts. I might pick up the courage to look at it. Thanks for the video.
Great repair Bill, nice model 👍
Bill, the cheapest new 56s I've seen recently are at DC kits, who are selling a couple in EWS & a triple grey liveries for £85 each. TMC has a BR blue example at £130. I picked up a large logo version for £126 from Kernow about a month ago, but they're now out of stock.
It looks like an intentional hybrid to me. Components from all the tooling owners over the years seem present: Mainline, Dapol, Hornby, who, of course, also added in Lima bits. I very much enjoyed watching you meticulously diagnose and solve the problem. It didn't seem to be pulling that much power by the time you'd finished with it. The 56s are an impressive class. Good to see many of them plying their trade once more, and even becoming body donors to the new 69s.
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Well done bill , as soon as i saw how short those springs were i knew you would sort it ,, i`ve got the `Load Haul ` livery 56 lovely loco ....fitted a cd drive motor,and led lights and runs on dcc 👍👍
Good work Bill, I thought it was going to beat you there for a while
One needs to be alert when purchasing a Hornby Class 56. One is the old Mainline tooling which was a model the likes as have never been seen before when it was produced decades ago. However Hornby have produced an amazingly detailed retooled rendition of the Class 56 and one needs to be cautious when purchasing from a well known auction site as a seller might well try and pass off the older model for the newer one.
Yet another great video with some great detective work….brush spring!!! A great start to this week, great work as always. All best Marc from Leighton Buzzard.. looking forward to The Layout Update video😎
I have five of those. Had much fun 'upgrading' them with LEDs and dcc. Down to Barrie Davies channel demonstrating them a few years back.
He seems to have gone missing again. Anyone know why?
Great repair again, that original mainline 56 was a bit of a star when released in 80's compared to the hornby and lima models at the time
It was a Mainline model that was acquired by Dapol when Mainline stopped. Subsequently sold to Hornby.
Loving how the layout is progressing some great modeling with lovely touches of detail and is one of the best on TH-cam.
My only critique regarding the layout albeit minor is not the modelling itself but the exposed painted polystyrene it just looks untidy it would look so much better capped off with some ply or mdf it would give the layout a more polished look, as well as providing some extra protection to polystyrene not sure if this is just an oversight or something you had planed to address later on down the line
Good work Bill, that’s the old Mainline / Dapol class 56 rebadged as Hornby and still retaining all the flakiness of the Mainline mech. I had the same short spring issue on my Mainline Warship. If you’re looking to add one to your fleet you’d be better off with the newer Hornby central motor version which will be dropping in price as the Cavalex 56 roles out.
Cavalex have made the new 56, not Accurascale although they are doing the updated Hattons (RIP) 66!
@@Mitche01thanks, I’ve amended
I believe this tooling is originally by Mainline, then owned by Dapol, then Hornby.
Hi Bill, This model looks a lot like a cross between the Lima class 57 and the Mainline class 56. Could be in the search of cheapness they cobbled this loco together, Lima chassis and Mainline body.
As Lima are now part of Hornby International it may well be on the Hornby Railroad models that they are using updated Lima type ringfield motors across all of the brands now under the Hornby umbrella. Once you got it on your layout it even sounded like a Lima model, though with slightly less scratchy sounding gears.
😂Hi Bill nice model that seems to be running sweet now.
To remove the bogie, there is a small plastic tab on the front of the faceplate held in by a screw. Remove the screw and tab and the bogie will drop out.
Good perseverance well done Bill
It went Mainline to Dapol to Hornby . I think it first started 1982/83 but Hornby probably “upgraded” the motor when brought it into the range
I have the same Hornby 56 but sadly mine also needs a repair which is in the form of a replacement bogie as some adventurous shunting damaged the coupling beyond repair. Due to its moulded on design the only logical action is to replace the bogie.
Nice model Bill l like class 56's Ron at Willenhall Parkway ❤
ive just stripped a similar class 56 added full lighting and DCC chip but still noisy, but looking at those springs mine seem longer maybe hence the noise
Quality once again.
Nice catch Bill.
Informative and useful, as always, Bill. But, has the dog always sitting at the shed got a name, if so what?
I think he’s said before that its name is “Shug” I think that must be his kennel alongside the shed 👍🏻
@@nononsense3528 Thanks.
Iv'e had the mainline and Dapol model before I got the Hornby version and they aren't easy to get at to for any repairs to carry out, so fiddly not like the later models are now.
Great stuff 😊
Perservence pays off😂😂
Mainline class 56 if I remember rightly
the 56 was originally an airfix loco , then mainline , then dapol and now airfix
This class 56 was originally made by Mainline - then they became Dapol - and then lastly Hornby.
Good work
Another great video
As always another problem solved well done Bill
the history of that tooling is mainline-dapol-hornby
Good job🎉
It was originally made by Mainline back in the very late 70s/80s not sure when Mainline went belly up!
parent company decided to stop most the locomotives became bachmann few like this 56 became hornby
Dapol bought the tooling for all of the Palitoy Mainline model railroad products (mostly former Airfix GMR Ready-to-Run products), except the Steamers, when General Mills wound up Palitoy in 1985. Palitoy didn't go broke, they were owned by General Mills who decided to put their focus back on food products and sell off the not-food companies they'd bought through the 1960s and 70s. They couldn't find a buyer for Palitoy, so it got broken up, the IP sold off, and factory closed.
Hornby then bought the tooling from Dapol in 1996.
A Mainline or Dapol Class 56 will be largely identical to this one, this was before Hornby meddled with bought-in designs (ala Lima). The Mainline Class 45 may be somewhat similar as well.
Some of the Ex-Palitoy tooling is still sold, most obviously the Hornby Mk2d is the mid-70s Airfix one.
1983
I thought they were originally Lima ones? I thought Mainline became or was taken over by Bachmann?
@@adamswindells1 Mainline was broken up and dissolved, nobody took it over. Kader got their Steam locos, their wagons, and some coaches. Using that, they launched Bachmann Branchline.
Dapol got the diesels and the remaining coaches (eg the Airfix GMR Mk2d, now the Hornby Mk2d). Lima did do a Class 56, but Hornby wouldn't get it until 2005. They bought the ex-Mainline moulds from Dapol in (IIRC) 1993.
If a bulb lights up like that you don't have a short circuit, can't have voltage across a short.
I've seen something similar in a mainline model
Good fix Bill!
its a old lima tooling bill hornby bought out lima along with all lima molds
It was a ex mainline model
I'm just about certain that somewhere in your EWS train there's a wheel with a flat spot thunking away.🤔
So fairly authentic then!
Old Lima tooling I was wrong it's a mainline tooling the net says that Lima never made a class 56
Get a Mainline Blue one, I believe this model was a Romanian built one.
Mainline, Dapol, Hornby
good vid on channel thanks lee
I have 3 of these models. So much cheaper than the Cavalex ones.
Yes but they are like 100 years old...... The Cavalex models are a all New Tooled model from the ground up. They are less expensoive then the Hornby model (The one that was designed by Hornby, with a proper motor driving both bogies, not the OLD Mainline one.) I have two of the 'super detailed' Hornby models, and they are far better then the old Mainline models. And I also have one of the Cavalex models, super quality.
@@mikeking2539 I am on a tight budget and have 3 of these Mainline/Dapol models off Ebay on my DC layout. They do me just fine at £25-£35 each.
The Cavalex models are superior in every single way, I have two and they are by far the best diesel locos currently on sale.
@jamtart606 and as I said. I am on a budget and cant afford the new Cavalex ones. These are perfectly good for DC on a limited budget. I am glad you can afford 2 new models.
Don't like 56s they look like a rip off of a 47.😂