I'm starting to think these memberberries are just what the writers meant, when they said they would stay "closer to the lore" this season. Their idea of being "lore accurate" is just lifting sentences from the book and having characters say them. This is what these dimwits think we wanted, when we said we wanted a more lore accurate show.
You missed the contrivance-for-memberberry of Elrond's company going ON FOOT on their urgent mission, purely so that the show can recreate the aerial 360 heli shot of a company hiking NZ ridgelines. A direct lift from Jackson's TT, when Aragorn.Legolas and Gimli are persuing the orcs that took Merry and Pippin. I guarantee you these hacks saw the behind the scenes stuff from Jackson about the location scouting and filming and said, "that's cool, we have to experience that!" (now they're wondering where the 5 season $1billion budget went already!) Every couple of minutes of this show is a theft from the movies or books, and everything between is a contrivance to achieve that memberberry. This was immediately before the "It must have been lightning" idiocy, which literally made me laugh out loud (lightnin don't work like that or we wouldn't have any bridges istanding in the world). These people have the intelects of toddlers, or think their audience do!
I think the only writing experience the writers of this show have, is playing D&D with their friends. The plotlines feel that way: small band of heroes travel, meet random monsters that are completely irrelevant to the overarching plot, fight the monsters, win, then travel to the next event. You could have cut the Barrow Wights from Galadriel's arc, the Mud Monster from Arondir's arc, and "Old Man Ironwood" from Fake Gandalf's arc, and nothing would have changed. These encounters don't advance the plot in any way. They are just side quests, random monsters that the dungeon master put into the path of the party to overcome.
Writers on the sun deck of their LA studio... Pat) I feel like we can't just have them jump-cut back and forth between the cities this time, it's meant to be this big effort to get there. Like a race against the enemy. JD) They're traveling through Eriador, we could have them fight Barrow wights! Pat) Yeah, but barrow wights are only found on the barrow downs, they wouldn't necessarily go through them. JD) Doesn't the great road go right past them? Pat) Close, but not enough. JD) Hmmm.... What if they had to take a detour? Pat) Like something blocking the road? No, they'd just get back on the road, it's the fastest route. JD) What if there was a bridge that was down, and they had to travel to the next bridge? Pat) Yeah, that could work, we say it's the work of the enemy! JD) Yeah, - but then, - a bridge over a river, wouldn't they just swim it? They are elves in a hurry. And Galadriel swam 1000 miles last season. Pat) Well then, it's a great big chasm, which they can't jump or climb. 100 yds across and a mile deep. You can't even see the bottom! Now they have to go around to the barrow downs. JD) Sick, bro! Sick! Write it in! Pat) And Galadriel could warn them about the evil there! JD) yeah! Ah sick. This is great!
Can we also note how stupid it is that Gil-Galad allowed Galadriel to leave Lindon on a mission while still wearing one of three Rings? He has been repeatedly staking all their hope on these things and he just allowed one of the only three in existence to be taken on a potentially dangerous mission that - to his knowledge - at least had a chance of running into Sauron.
Jonathan and Michael - I'm looking forward to seeing your thoughts on a tree ent hitting a woman so hard she's knocked back 20 feet or so and somehow she's unscathed. And why is the Ent's acting more emotional and believable than the actual actors themselves. Memberberries in this show are cheap and contrived. They're not done well or subtle. 4 direct lines from Lord of the Rings should not make its way into a single episode. Amongst other things like a bastardization of Tom Bombadil etc. God this show is just awful even without Tolkien's criticisms. I'm watching it at this point because I'm a masochist. When Galadriel said "Go back to the shadow" I threw my arms up saying "You gotta be kidding me!"
Well, it IS a huge piece of crap already. The fact that it's about LOTR is what got me to suffer through as many episodes as I did. If it wasn't, I would have been out after ep 2, season 1. As it stands, I was out ep 3, season 2. Just watching these vids -- not the actual show.
the backwards and contrived dialogue in the Spartacus TV show was done on purpose, and it turned out great. It was very funny and gave the impression that people were speaking an old language. Meanwhile the elves dialogue on RoP achieves the exact opposite of what the writers intended.
First thing that shocked me immediately was why are the elves not riding horses, and instead walking hundreds of miles? Recall that Galadriel chased Elrond from Eregion to Linden on horses and messengers also rode horses. Just ridiculous. Any ideas?
36:00 I made the same comment about the force in new stars wars after galadriel healed that guy, the rings just have new made up powers. I was also waiting for the orc to say he smells "elf flesh", but the writers held back on that one.
I think you’re on point saying the creatives might not be 100% at fault here. The fact that the production timeline is so short doesn’t really help them at all. It’s an Amazon management issue, too.
Amazon needs this to be PRODUCT for quick consumption, and hopefully some of those people who signed up for Prime to watch it forget to cancel their subscription. It’s not art. It’s fast food.
NONE of them bothered to kneel down or take cover the moment they noticed the orcs, or maybe they used their Elven camo powers and didn't think a plot arrow would hit one of them.
It makes me sad that people are falling for these cheap tricks, of inserting things from the books, and Jackson's movies, to evoke a feeling of Tolkien when it is just a Wish version of a greater product. I genuinely wanted this show to be good, given the budget, and the big company behind it, and although the source material was limited, the blueprint was there to create a spectacular show. Instead we have been given a poorly written disjointed show, that fails to capture the depth, and grandeur of Tolkien's' world. Amazon makes the world seem small, especially when characters seem to travel hundreds of miles in the time it takes the actor to walk from one sound stage to the next. Also it seems like they have taken the 3rd age aesthetic of Peter Jackson's films, where everything is decaying, and past its glory days, when the cities and locations in ROP should be in their prime. BTW Isildor falling for a wild woman sounds like a Game of Thrones storyline, You Know Nothing Amazon Prime. I love the fantasy genre but even as a generic fantasy show, I would struggle to watch ROP.
Is Sauron a self fulfilling prophecy? What would of happened if he was left alone? He'd survive the sea monster, be found by Elendil and taken to Numenor... Maybe the show would of been more accurate actually.
what u guys doing?!!! this is only 43min long, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined!! Edit: Ohh nevermind, is part 1, now my day is ok again!!!
S2E4 was the worst so far (of 12 episodes) for me rubbing my eyes and crying "Arrggghhhh!" So many intentional references out of place. So many quotes referenced out of place. Nori is going to Found Hobbiton in Season 5. That's why they're in the show! A "watcher in the water" monster is living in a puddle? !?!? Isildur is going to marry a common Southlander, so that Aragorn (and all his line) are not actually pure-blooded Dunedain. ? Isn't that important? The mile deep cavern/gorge? Strange that Frodo never encountered such an obstacle. It hurts.
Not your coverage but the bad writing and misunderstanding of beloved source material really remind me of the other recent expensive flop, The Acolyte.
30:10 what you describe here sounds familiar… ‘But fear no more! I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo.’ It's Faramir's motivation for not trying to take the thing Frodo carries (before discovering it's the Ring, even if he guessed it). Wanting to use the Dark Lord's weapon against him is Boromir's folly. So I do not entirely agree that Elrond's position makes no sense. And I applaud him sticking to his guns for this long in a show where character motivations change every 5 minutes. The execution is just lacking. Just a note on whether Sauron did indeed corrupt the Three, going by (whatever passes for) this show's "logic". Sauron did handle Galadriel's dagger in Númenor. Who knows what he might have done to it then, even with no thought at the time of forging anything with it. 😱 So his taint may well be on the Valinor element. How much leftover metal do they have from that thing to make the others anyway? not enough for 16 more, surely? I need to stop thinking about this, it's doing my head in.
You are the first reviewers I’ve who picked up on the fact that Wights not being there yet. The writing of this show is so unbelievably bad. Also the Borrow Wights are no Cenobites with their chains that grab people. Lo,😂
Right. There were probably people buried there already, the ancestors of the Men who wound up in Beleriand, but it was not until the Witch King sent evil spirits to inhabit the Downs and animate the bones of the dead that there was actually a wight problem. The show is trying to shift this to Sauron, which kind of takes away from the later Third Age story.
Jonathan says he always want to see what Tolkien wrote....in this case he must be over the moon (like the song at the Prancing Poney) with the scene with Tom and Old man Ironwood.....because its verbatim (if you dont consider the geographical location, the wood essence, the nature of the victim....)😂
Sauron is apparently omnipotent and omnipresent. He can blow up bridges in Eriador, cause earthquakes in Khazad-dum, raise wights in the Barrow Downs, and poison a tree in Lindon all from his armchair in Ost-in-edhil
@@Br4dSp34d the worst thing about characters with supernatural abilities is they conveniently forget to use them in certain situations. They only use them when the plot requires it. Or like QImir in The Acolyte and his lightsaber defeating helmet and guantlets, but he only uses them sparingly instead of all the freaking time
@@timbotron4000 my favorite instance of this was in the Disney+ Willow series, Willow runs in with a magic flame-thrower to kill a bunch of dudes, one of the other characters goes ‘WHAT WAS THAT?!’ And Willow just says ‘don’t worry about it!’ And it’s never mentioned again 😂😂😂
I mean, if Mt. Doom can throw ash and boulders all the way to the future shire to destroy the "Hobbits" fruit trees, I'm sure the writers just assumed it would also conveniently throw another boulder to destroy the bridge
These guys wrote the potential 4th Pine Trek movie that wasn't actually made- These guys have done nothing! The 3rd Pine Trek was written by Simon Pegg and Into Darkness was written by Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof.
Once you let your anger go, it's quite enjoyable as car crash billion dollar tv. We will unfortunately not get another 2nd age adaptation for a long time after this so I'm trying to enjoy it without being angry about the bad plot and dialogue, But just enjoy the fact Tolkein is on tv ( kind of Tolkein) Hopefully by season 4 we will grow to love the orcs as much as hobbits love pipe tobacco.
My honest opinion on why they are doing Rhun, the Blue Wizard, Tom Bombadil and Entwives, is because they want to one-up Peter Jackson. It doesn't matter to them if these elements make sense for their story... all that matters to them is the opportunity to be able to say "See, Peter Jackson didn't have Tom Bombadil and Barrow Wights, we do, ergo we are better." Their constant jealousy also shows in how they re-use Peter Jackson's movie lines (even those that PJ made up and were never Tolkien's words to begin with). They are not making this show as an adaptation of Tolkien. They are making it as a hate-jealous-homage to PJ's movies, always referencing them but trying to one-up them at the same time.
@Lilduzzy lol no. If they were generally faithful to the source material (Tolkien), I would have given them the benefit of the doubt. But they are butchering Tolkien and taking these characters and events and placing them where they never happened, or are changing crucial characters in ways that are unforgivable. Writers have proven that they are incapable of writing well, unwilling to follow what Tolkien wrote for them, so no benefit of the doubt for them.
I’m not even a fan of Tolkien’s works but I appreciate ones with good adaptations. Sure, Jackson had to made changes in his movies but again, he is working in a different medium and whether we like it or not, changes are bound to happen. Won’t be touching Rings of Power anytime soon.
Come on guys the discussion at about 30 mins about using the elven rings? It makes perfect sense. It's not good that they're making the elven rings like this but it's no plot hole. Not using a weapon of evil to win the war is one of the main themes of LOTR>
03:05 not only on subject of love... the dialogues & interaction throughout, reflects the writers are inexperienced grp of adults. Either they haven't lived enough of life or have no insightful view of real experiences or can be both. The best of writers have a complex understanding of storytelling because of the way they themselves perceive experiences and living in general. That's why this show's characters are caricatures however grand some of their backstory might be. No wonder the elves suffer the brunt of their inadequacy. Then add to it the technical approach they're using, lol. The show being massively filled with expository narrative rather than narrative explanatory writing prevents the characters frm being real people existing in their universe.
Galadriel KNEW what the Barrow Wights were, but she DIDN'T know HOW to fight them... Elrond KNEW the lore on HOW to fight them, but he DIDN'T know WHAT the Barrow Wights were! 🤣This is HOW STUPID the writing is!💩
Without the great ring. Nothing makes sense. The 3 Lord half-Elrond. , Galadriel & Cirdin the ship right is the wisest and all knowledge should not be able to read him as I think you have to be open to Osanwe . through him. He made a statement and referenced Manwe more than once . ( should Cordin goes between Valinor & middle earth. have had a much larger plot role & mentioning the king of the Manwe really undercuts his power. But I digress . The only question Cirdin knew to give the ring of fire. Gandalf is a servant of the secret fire his triump brings back Gandalf/Methrandir the white with his power upgrade to the point of he becomes the Master & White Wizard with Sauruman has but the King imitate good as he did not fear the Istari as he thought they were all as weak as the Blue, Brown & the one that became one of many colors. But that's all he n Illuvitars plan. That's why we need the ONE RING. The whole story has a simple rule. The one ring that does not even exists yet . Wow this is bad writing . The actors with the exception of Guyladriel although it is the writing . But the acting is really good. We Tolken geeks can not pick on lore butbif we just accept it is NOT TOLKIEN than the names and places? I mean really Melkor/Morgoth who was also Aule the Valar who taught him his trade of the desire to create. Sauron would let Adar exist as an Enemy in Mordor. The writers have to be kidding with this garbage.
I think Isildur is like 17ish in RoP so Estrid is probably his first crush/gf since him and his friends were kind of nerds. It's pretty believable that he'd act foolish to her, tons of young and impressionable GIs in Vietnam and other places acted foolishly towards local women. This is Isildurs first time abroad and first mission so it makes sense.
@@veronicadavanzo2064 the actor is apparently 28 and his boat test in season 1 is a basic coming of age thing for the Islanders like a highschool graduation. So he's playing a kind of nepo baby late teen early 20s guy who is having trouble finding what he wants to do, who wants to take a year off college to travel or whatever. That's why he and his friends start starry eyed and then become dead, jaded, and distracted respectively.
The name Galadriel is in this form Sindarin. Its original meaning was ‘lady of the glittering coronal’, referring to the brilliant sheen of her golden hair, which in her youth she wore in three long braids, the middle one being wound about her head. Nature of Middle-earth, Galadriel and Celeborn, Text 2 The Names Galadriel, Celeborn & Lórien, endnote 8
It's clear by now that this show is an attempt at fan service by people who don't really understand or care about the source material, repackaged as a YA fantasy story with familiar generic characters and tropes
We were just trying to point out that the style they picked for this was exactly like Peter Jackson's dead marshes. We know that the battle hadn't taken place yet. 👍🏻
How hard was it for one of the writers to pick up their phone and google - Dead Marshes - Battle of Dagorlad - War of the Last Alliance And realise they shouldn't include it, ditto for the Barrow-Wights I guess however the one's we're familiar with are in the Barrow Downs which aren't actually infested with Wights yet...also Tom Bombadil lives near them however not in this show XD
This episode was actually written better - In part because it lifted so much material from Lord of the Rings. But Galadriel giving the ring to Elrond and Arondier learning humility are two instances of character development that are actually good. And so it's the best episode and the whole thing should have started here.
@@goodputin4324 Well, Arondier's story is definitely a Tolkien story. He is asking for forgiveness for him cutting down the trees and he's learning humility from it. That's what makes us a good episode. You go off on an adventure and you have character development. And they take all the stuff from the books.
@@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp I wonder how many trees he cut down to clear land when he was a farmer in *Beleriand. Or to build a home. Gotta wonder about that wooden breastplate of his, as well.
I'm starting to think these memberberries are just what the writers meant, when they said they would stay "closer to the lore" this season.
Their idea of being "lore accurate" is just lifting sentences from the book and having characters say them. This is what these dimwits think we wanted, when we said we wanted a more lore accurate show.
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You missed the contrivance-for-memberberry of Elrond's company going ON FOOT on their urgent mission, purely so that the show can recreate the aerial 360 heli shot of a company hiking NZ ridgelines. A direct lift from Jackson's TT, when Aragorn.Legolas and Gimli are persuing the orcs that took Merry and Pippin. I guarantee you these hacks saw the behind the scenes stuff from Jackson about the location scouting and filming and said, "that's cool, we have to experience that!" (now they're wondering where the 5 season $1billion budget went already!)
Every couple of minutes of this show is a theft from the movies or books, and everything between is a contrivance to achieve that memberberry.
This was immediately before the "It must have been lightning" idiocy, which literally made me laugh out loud (lightnin don't work like that or we wouldn't have any bridges istanding in the world). These people have the intelects of toddlers, or think their audience do!
Michael, the elf getting randomly shot in the gut was like Lancelot's squire in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
I think the only writing experience the writers of this show have, is playing D&D with their friends. The plotlines feel that way: small band of heroes travel, meet random monsters that are completely irrelevant to the overarching plot, fight the monsters, win, then travel to the next event.
You could have cut the Barrow Wights from Galadriel's arc, the Mud Monster from Arondir's arc, and "Old Man Ironwood" from Fake Gandalf's arc, and nothing would have changed. These encounters don't advance the plot in any way. They are just side quests, random monsters that the dungeon master put into the path of the party to overcome.
Writers on the sun deck of their LA studio...
Pat) I feel like we can't just have them jump-cut back and forth between the cities this time, it's meant to be this big effort to get there. Like a race against the enemy.
JD) They're traveling through Eriador, we could have them fight Barrow wights!
Pat) Yeah, but barrow wights are only found on the barrow downs, they wouldn't necessarily go through them.
JD) Doesn't the great road go right past them?
Pat) Close, but not enough.
JD) Hmmm.... What if they had to take a detour?
Pat) Like something blocking the road? No, they'd just get back on the road, it's the fastest route.
JD) What if there was a bridge that was down, and they had to travel to the next bridge?
Pat) Yeah, that could work, we say it's the work of the enemy!
JD) Yeah, - but then, - a bridge over a river, wouldn't they just swim it? They are elves in a hurry. And Galadriel swam 1000 miles last season.
Pat) Well then, it's a great big chasm, which they can't jump or climb. 100 yds across and a mile deep. You can't even see the bottom! Now they have to go around to the barrow downs.
JD) Sick, bro! Sick! Write it in!
Pat) And Galadriel could warn them about the evil there!
JD) yeah! Ah sick. This is great!
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I'm glad they gave the Ent wife flowers, otherwise I could never have guessed it's a female tree! 😂
When not-Galadriel said "Go back to the shadow" . . . nauseating.
I like how you noticed there is now a chasm thousands of feet deep between the Shire and Buckland, not many reviewers picked that up.
I was wondering where tf this is supposed to be. The geography doesn’t really work out.
@@veronicadavanzo2064I could barely read their map.
Can we also note how stupid it is that Gil-Galad allowed Galadriel to leave Lindon on a mission while still wearing one of three Rings? He has been repeatedly staking all their hope on these things and he just allowed one of the only three in existence to be taken on a potentially dangerous mission that - to his knowledge - at least had a chance of running into Sauron.
they keep telling us Sauron is so evil and fearsome, yet they haven't shown us any compelling reason to believe this.
Jonathan and Michael - I'm looking forward to seeing your thoughts on a tree ent hitting a woman so hard she's knocked back 20 feet or so and somehow she's unscathed. And why is the Ent's acting more emotional and believable than the actual actors themselves.
Memberberries in this show are cheap and contrived. They're not done well or subtle. 4 direct lines from Lord of the Rings should not make its way into a single episode. Amongst other things like a bastardization of Tom Bombadil etc.
God this show is just awful even without Tolkien's criticisms. I'm watching it at this point because I'm a masochist. When Galadriel said "Go back to the shadow" I threw my arms up saying "You gotta be kidding me!"
Imagine for a moment, that this series wasn't about LOTR at all. It would still be a huge piece of crap.
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Well, it IS a huge piece of crap already. The fact that it's about LOTR is what got me to suffer through as many episodes as I did. If it wasn't, I would have been out after ep 2, season 1. As it stands, I was out ep 3, season 2. Just watching these vids -- not the actual show.
the backwards and contrived dialogue in the Spartacus TV show was done on purpose, and it turned out great. It was very funny and gave the impression that people were speaking an old language. Meanwhile the elves dialogue on RoP achieves the exact opposite of what the writers intended.
This is on the Tolkien Estate everyone knew Amazon would butcher this. They insulted his legacy for 30 pieces of silver
For 250'00'00......
Simon Tolkien is the outsized Lotho Sackville-Baggins of our postlapsarian age.
First thing that shocked me immediately was why are the elves not riding horses, and instead walking hundreds of miles? Recall that Galadriel chased Elrond from Eregion to Linden on horses and messengers also rode horses. Just ridiculous.
Any ideas?
‘Member when the Fellowship walked over scenic terrain? ‘Member the three hunters? Ya ‘member? I ‘member.
36:00 I made the same comment about the force in new stars wars after galadriel healed that guy, the rings just have new made up powers. I was also waiting for the orc to say he smells "elf flesh", but the writers held back on that one.
I can't wait to see how Elrond's becoming Galadriel's SIL. Gona be super weird
Did anyone else observe that one of the company of the Elves is the actor that played Sauron in the first episode..??
Love this multiple part episode format. There is so much to talk about. Keep it up.
I can just imagine the guys on MST3K or Riff Trax just waving to the screen, saying "How can we riff that stuff more than it does to itself?"
I think you’re on point saying the creatives might not be 100% at fault here. The fact that the production timeline is so short doesn’t really help them at all. It’s an Amazon management issue, too.
Amazon needs this to be PRODUCT for quick consumption, and hopefully some of those people who signed up for Prime to watch it forget to cancel their subscription. It’s not art. It’s fast food.
It will be very interesting to calculate how meny miles Galadriel, Elrond or Sauron crossed in fact, only in this 4 episodes 😂
NONE of them bothered to kneel down or take cover the moment they noticed the orcs, or maybe they used their Elven camo powers and didn't think a plot arrow would hit one of them.
well, if the barrow-wights exist already, and the witch king makes them, then it means the witch king exists too in this version of the story. no?
It makes me sad that people are falling for these cheap tricks, of inserting things from the books, and Jackson's movies, to evoke a feeling of Tolkien when it is just a Wish version of a greater product.
I genuinely wanted this show to be good, given the budget, and the big company behind it, and although the source material was limited, the blueprint was there to create a spectacular show. Instead we have been given a poorly written disjointed show, that fails to capture the depth, and grandeur of Tolkien's' world. Amazon makes the world seem small, especially when characters seem to travel hundreds of miles in the time it takes the actor to walk from one sound stage to the next.
Also it seems like they have taken the 3rd age aesthetic of Peter Jackson's films, where everything is decaying, and past its glory days, when the cities and locations in ROP should be in their prime.
BTW Isildor falling for a wild woman sounds like a Game of Thrones storyline, You Know Nothing Amazon Prime.
I love the fantasy genre but even as a generic fantasy show, I would struggle to watch ROP.
They compressed the timeline so why not the geography? It's maddening.
My gf likes this show. I just say "wrong" to her every time something happens lol
I read that "wrong" in the voice of kevin spacey's Lex Luthor lol
How about just be a decent human being and let her enjoy it?
I'd have already ended the relationship...
Time to find another GF buddy!! 😅
Aw, show her the PJ films. She’ll probably like them, and at least they are worth watching.
So, two parts, each 45 min. Nice 👏
2 parts? Pffft. You know that there is balance in 3, right?
@@TheOneRingcom not with the Profesor 😉
@@milutinzivkovic9314 Ah but you forget, The power of one, The power of two and The power of many XD
@@knarftahw ah, the fameus power of one... Seasooooon 🤣
@@milutinzivkovic9314 XD
This show I think was written by kids who are in middle school that watched the Lord of the Rings trilogy recently.
Is Sauron a self fulfilling prophecy? What would of happened if he was left alone? He'd survive the sea monster, be found by Elendil and taken to Numenor... Maybe the show would of been more accurate actually.
I was looking forward to watching your review too💎💥Always the best
what u guys doing?!!! this is only 43min long, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined!!
Edit: Ohh nevermind, is part 1, now my day is ok again!!!
S2E4 was the worst so far (of 12 episodes) for me rubbing my eyes and crying "Arrggghhhh!"
So many intentional references out of place.
So many quotes referenced out of place.
Nori is going to Found Hobbiton in Season 5. That's why they're in the show!
A "watcher in the water" monster is living in a puddle? !?!?
Isildur is going to marry a common Southlander, so that Aragorn (and all his line) are not actually pure-blooded Dunedain. ? Isn't that important?
The mile deep cavern/gorge? Strange that Frodo never encountered such an obstacle.
It hurts.
Don't forget Tim Bombadil and Nenya the healing ring.
Not your coverage but the bad writing and misunderstanding of beloved source material really remind me of the other recent expensive flop, The Acolyte.
so glad this is just part 1!
30:10 what you describe here sounds familiar…
‘But fear no more! I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo.’
It's Faramir's motivation for not trying to take the thing Frodo carries (before discovering it's the Ring, even if he guessed it). Wanting to use the Dark Lord's weapon against him is Boromir's folly. So I do not entirely agree that Elrond's position makes no sense. And I applaud him sticking to his guns for this long in a show where character motivations change every 5 minutes. The execution is just lacking.
Just a note on whether Sauron did indeed corrupt the Three, going by (whatever passes for) this show's "logic". Sauron did handle Galadriel's dagger in Númenor. Who knows what he might have done to it then, even with no thought at the time of forging anything with it. 😱 So his taint may well be on the Valinor element. How much leftover metal do they have from that thing to make the others anyway? not enough for 16 more, surely?
I need to stop thinking about this, it's doing my head in.
Also they havent shown more than 50 people anywhere in any shot. Is the population if Grey Heavens, Lyndon, Neumeror, etc. are very very less?
You are the first reviewers I’ve who picked up on the fact that Wights not being there yet. The writing of this show is so unbelievably bad. Also the Borrow Wights are no Cenobites with their chains that grab people. Lo,😂
Right. There were probably people buried there already, the ancestors of the Men who wound up in Beleriand, but it was not until the Witch King sent evil spirits to inhabit the Downs and animate the bones of the dead that there was actually a wight problem. The show is trying to shift this to Sauron, which kind of takes away from the later Third Age story.
We'll tear your lore apaaart!
@@sidnew2739 lol. Well played.
Eat bugs, people 😂
and live in cramped apartment-style dwellings centered around dirty alleyways
And leave the poor and seak on the raod 🤣
Leave a comrade to die: "Regular elvish trick." The writers really are getting inspiration from Shagrat and Gorbag, aren't they?
Jonathan says he always want to see what Tolkien wrote....in this case he must be over the moon (like the song at the Prancing Poney) with the scene with Tom and Old man Ironwood.....because its verbatim (if you dont consider the geographical location, the wood essence, the nature of the victim....)😂
Yes please! Let us embrace the MST3K of ROP 😂
Sauron is apparently omnipotent and omnipresent. He can blow up bridges in Eriador, cause earthquakes in Khazad-dum, raise wights in the Barrow Downs, and poison a tree in Lindon all from his armchair in Ost-in-edhil
and yet, can't fight off a few orcs that are stabbing him to death
@@Br4dSp34d the worst thing about characters with supernatural abilities is they conveniently forget to use them in certain situations. They only use them when the plot requires it. Or like QImir in The Acolyte and his lightsaber defeating helmet and guantlets, but he only uses them sparingly instead of all the freaking time
@@timbotron4000 my favorite instance of this was in the Disney+ Willow series, Willow runs in with a magic flame-thrower to kill a bunch of dudes, one of the other characters goes ‘WHAT WAS THAT?!’ And Willow just says ‘don’t worry about it!’ And it’s never mentioned again 😂😂😂
I mean, if Mt. Doom can throw ash and boulders all the way to the future shire to destroy the "Hobbits" fruit trees, I'm sure the writers just assumed it would also conveniently throw another boulder to destroy the bridge
These guys wrote the potential 4th Pine Trek movie that wasn't actually made- These guys have done nothing! The 3rd Pine Trek was written by Simon Pegg and Into Darkness was written by Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof.
Once you let your anger go, it's quite enjoyable as car crash billion dollar tv.
We will unfortunately not get another 2nd age adaptation for a long time after this so I'm trying to enjoy it without being angry about the bad plot and dialogue, But just enjoy the fact Tolkein is on tv ( kind of Tolkein)
Hopefully by season 4 we will grow to love the orcs as much as hobbits love pipe tobacco.
I'm confused as to how celibrimbor doesn't know about alloys, do they not have steel in this world?
They do. It's one of the many questions better left unasked because Amazon reasons 😂
thank you
They showed Nazgules. But they are ringwraiths. They come later no? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Their going back to the books, problem is they are telling a 2nd age story and don't have the books for that.
Actually this show provides a lot of entertainment but for all the wrong reasons 😂
My honest opinion on why they are doing Rhun, the Blue Wizard, Tom Bombadil and Entwives, is because they want to one-up Peter Jackson. It doesn't matter to them if these elements make sense for their story... all that matters to them is the opportunity to be able to say "See, Peter Jackson didn't have Tom Bombadil and Barrow Wights, we do, ergo we are better."
Their constant jealousy also shows in how they re-use Peter Jackson's movie lines (even those that PJ made up and were never Tolkien's words to begin with).
They are not making this show as an adaptation of Tolkien. They are making it as a hate-jealous-homage to PJ's movies, always referencing them but trying to one-up them at the same time.
@Lilduzzy lol no. If they were generally faithful to the source material (Tolkien), I would have given them the benefit of the doubt. But they are butchering Tolkien and taking these characters and events and placing them where they never happened, or are changing crucial characters in ways that are unforgivable. Writers have proven that they are incapable of writing well, unwilling to follow what Tolkien wrote for them, so no benefit of the doubt for them.
I’m not even a fan of Tolkien’s works but I appreciate ones with good adaptations. Sure, Jackson had to made changes in his movies but again, he is working in a different medium and whether we like it or not, changes are bound to happen. Won’t be touching Rings of Power anytime soon.
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#Orclivesmatter
Sauron can blow up a bridge but not sway 50 orcs?
Supposedly at this point the the real Middle Earth, Sauron had already started building Barad-dur.
JJ Abrams is a blight far worse than Melkor ever was!
I’m not sure if I dislike any character more than Galadriel in Rings of Power. Can she just die already…obviously she can’t but oh my goodness
This is one of the very worst TV series ever made, and it is a insult to Tolkien's writing and memory.
Come on guys the discussion at about 30 mins about using the elven rings? It makes perfect sense. It's not good that they're making the elven rings like this but it's no plot hole. Not using a weapon of evil to win the war is one of the main themes of LOTR>
03:05 not only on subject of love... the dialogues & interaction throughout, reflects the writers are inexperienced grp of adults. Either they haven't lived enough of life or have no insightful view of real experiences or can be both. The best of writers have a complex understanding of storytelling because of the way they themselves perceive experiences and living in general. That's why this show's characters are caricatures however grand some of their backstory might be. No wonder the elves suffer the brunt of their inadequacy. Then add to it the technical approach they're using, lol. The show being massively filled with expository narrative rather than narrative explanatory writing prevents the characters frm being real people existing in their universe.
Why do they call the wooded area that isn't open chalk land the barrow-DOWNS?
Galadriel KNEW what the Barrow Wights were, but she DIDN'T know HOW to fight them... Elrond KNEW the lore on HOW to fight them, but he DIDN'T know WHAT the Barrow Wights were! 🤣This is HOW STUPID the writing is!💩
Didn't they send Frodo to Rivendale like Galadriel gives the ring to elrond? But they just repeating this?
at this point the elves and the orcs should just working together, both wants Sauron dies🤷
I'm not gonna try to find them but at this point there must be p*rn parodies of Lord of the Rings that are more respectful to the Lore than RoP.
The barrow-wights shouldn't be there. And they shouldn't have any effect on the elves. Especially these elves who would be more powerful than Legolas.
Galadriel's character should have been Celebrian. The story still wouldn't be good but at least more tolerable.
Without the great ring. Nothing makes sense. The 3 Lord half-Elrond. , Galadriel & Cirdin the ship right is the wisest and all knowledge should not be able to read him as I think you have to be open to Osanwe . through him. He made a statement and referenced Manwe more than once . ( should Cordin goes between Valinor & middle earth. have had a much larger plot role & mentioning the king of the Manwe really undercuts his power. But I digress . The only question Cirdin knew to give the ring of fire. Gandalf is a servant of the secret fire his triump brings back Gandalf/Methrandir the white with his power upgrade to the point of he becomes the Master & White Wizard with Sauruman has but the King imitate good as he did not fear the Istari as he thought they were all as weak as the Blue, Brown & the one that became one of many colors. But that's all he n Illuvitars plan. That's why we need the ONE RING. The whole story has a simple rule. The one ring that does not even exists yet . Wow this is bad writing . The actors with the exception of Guyladriel although it is the writing . But the acting is really good. We Tolken geeks can not pick on lore butbif we just accept it is NOT TOLKIEN than the names and places? I mean really Melkor/Morgoth who was also Aule the Valar who taught him his trade of the desire to create. Sauron would let Adar exist as an Enemy in Mordor. The writers have to be kidding with this garbage.
Who is this dark wizard. Is he a Mayar😂
I think Isildur is like 17ish in RoP so Estrid is probably his first crush/gf since him and his friends were kind of nerds. It's pretty believable that he'd act foolish to her, tons of young and impressionable GIs in Vietnam and other places acted foolishly towards local women. This is Isildurs first time abroad and first mission so it makes sense.
That’s a good point. If he’s actually that young here I can get past some of his dumbassery.
@@veronicadavanzo2064 the actor is apparently 28 and his boat test in season 1 is a basic coming of age thing for the Islanders like a highschool graduation. So he's playing a kind of nepo baby late teen early 20s guy who is having trouble finding what he wants to do, who wants to take a year off college to travel or whatever. That's why he and his friends start starry eyed and then become dead, jaded, and distracted respectively.
So you didn’t like it then?
I like the show ! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
The name Galadriel is in this form Sindarin. Its original meaning was ‘lady of the glittering coronal’, referring to the brilliant sheen of her golden hair, which in her youth she wore in three long braids, the middle one being wound about her head.
Nature of Middle-earth, Galadriel and Celeborn, Text 2 The Names Galadriel, Celeborn & Lórien, endnote 8
Her original name in Quenyan is Alatariel.
@@goodputin4324 The name Alatáriel is Telerin in form; its original meaning was ‘maid of the glittering coronal’.
ibid.
@@Tar-Elenion makes sense as her mother, Elewen is the Teleri princess of Alqualonde.
@@goodputin4324 Earwen.
"The Quenyarized form appears as Altariel, though its true form would have been Ñaltariel."
PoMe, Shibboleth of Feanor
@@Tar-Elenion I stand corrected on her mother's name. It's a breath of fresh air to meet another Tolkien fan online.
Why are there black Elves and Asian elves!!!!
A FAIR QUESTION MY LORD!!!😎
It's clear by now that this show is an attempt at fan service by people who don't really understand or care about the source material, repackaged as a YA fantasy story with familiar generic characters and tropes
You guys kinda missed last episode that the Dead Marshes aren't a thing yet.
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We were just trying to point out that the style they picked for this was exactly like Peter Jackson's dead marshes. We know that the battle hadn't taken place yet. 👍🏻
@@TheOneRingcomplease let me know your thoughts on the Black and Asian elves omg I am done!
How hard was it for one of the writers to pick up their phone and google
- Dead Marshes
- Battle of Dagorlad
- War of the Last Alliance
And realise they shouldn't include it, ditto for the Barrow-Wights I guess however the one's we're familiar with are in the Barrow Downs which aren't actually infested with Wights yet...also Tom Bombadil lives near them however not in this show XD
I didn't assume otherwise it was just so egregious I was surprised you didn't react with "What the hell" or something taha
This episode was actually written better - In part because it lifted so much material from Lord of the Rings.
But Galadriel giving the ring to Elrond and Arondier learning humility are two instances of character development that are actually good. And so it's the best episode and the whole thing should have started here.
Your words are contradicting itself lol! Arondir is never in the Books! 😅
@@goodputin4324
Well, Arondier's story is definitely a Tolkien story. He is asking for forgiveness for him cutting down the trees and he's learning humility from it.
That's what makes us a good episode. You go off on an adventure and you have character development. And they take all the stuff from the books.
He cut one tree, under a threat of death for all his companions. Does he really need forgiveness for that?
@@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp Show me in which chapter is Arondier in Tolkien's book.
Show me.
@@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp I wonder how many trees he cut down to clear land when he was a farmer in *Beleriand.
Or to build a home.
Gotta wonder about that wooden breastplate of his, as well.
I've got Prime but I'm not watching this shit