Well the extra doors don’t seem to speed the loading much. This may be of interest. What is Best? Single Deck or Double Deck trains? th-cam.com/video/KhS31Mc0cfs/w-d-xo.html
At 4:00 to 4:45 - quite a difference in the forest of OHLE between the 2 views through Caulfield station there. At 6:15, 7:00, 9:20 and 14:30 - that tram square was cactus by the end. There were at least I think 2, maybe 3 tram derailments in the last 6 months before it finally closed.
The sky was cleared a lot when the connections between Frankston and Dandenong lines were removed completely, part of the conversion of Dandenong to the Metro operation. As I stated in the video, the design of the crossing for the trams was weird. No surprise at all that several trams had mishaps there.
@@tressteleg1Ah, that! I believe that's a one-piece cast fishplate/footing thing (probably has a name) that each end of the train rail is slid into before being concreted into the roadbed. It ensures a smooth as possible transition for the train but an almost inevitable series of clunks for the tram.
@@peterelvery Well it is easy for the trains as they simply cut little notches in the railhead to let the tram flanges get through. I’m still not sure what those castings are supposed to do. Maybe they bolt onto the railway track to guide the tram rail so it does not get out of gauge. Even so, I would call the design a failure.
@@tressteleg1 I think cutting notches in the hardened rail top would mean that all the shock load of the wheel hitting the gap would have to be absorbed at what is now the weakest point. Also the track's axle load rating would be compromised. A cast "shoe" underneath mitigates these issues. (Of course there are no tram/train crossings in Sydney for me to compare)
@@peterelvery Well despite whatever the theory is, that is what they did. On tramways wheels are carried through the gap by ramping of the flangeway which carries the weight of the tram through the gap but I just had a close look at the crossing in the video and there is no sign that that was ever done here for the trains. I have a feeling there might be rubber padding underneath the entire square. I first saw this method used in Ballarat many years ago when the trams crossed the railway line just west of the station.
It's sad that what made the trains and trams pretty unique is gone but such is progress! Does feel very sanitised though. I can imagine the people in the flats near by are enjoying the peace though!
Agreed. However looking at planned future projects, I could see no mention of the two remaining tram/train crossings so possibly they will remain for some years to come.
@@Planetrainguy This shows how important it is to watch ALL of a video before asking questions. If you don’t have time to watch all of it, you are watching too many videos and won’t remember much about any of them.
I can only assume that the soil in that area is less stable, maybe sandy but it does seem excessive. Usually letters indicate the route to the driver. Not sure here.
@@tressteleg1 Yeah. I’ll admit that with the variety of their horns, some of them were pretty weak… but metro would tune them up and they were plenty loud enough to hear coming at a level crossing!
@@Older_is_better_PTV I have no idea what was wrong with them. Somebody commented here about it recently and I think my driver confirmed that they were all gone.
@@tressteleg1 Yeah, they’re all gone now. They didn’t meet the required decibels, not loud enough so they needed to be replaced in order for the Comeng’s to remain in service.
Great video, mate. Love the extra doors on Melbourne Metros.
Well the extra doors don’t seem to speed the loading much. This may be of interest.
What is Best? Single Deck or Double Deck trains?
th-cam.com/video/KhS31Mc0cfs/w-d-xo.html
At 4:00 to 4:45 - quite a difference in the forest of OHLE between the 2 views through Caulfield station there.
At 6:15, 7:00, 9:20 and 14:30 - that tram square was cactus by the end. There were at least I think 2, maybe 3 tram derailments in the last 6 months before it finally closed.
The sky was cleared a lot when the connections between Frankston and Dandenong lines were removed completely, part of the conversion of Dandenong to the Metro operation.
As I stated in the video, the design of the crossing for the trams was weird. No surprise at all that several trams had mishaps there.
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Thanks! Re the "weird design" comment. Is it not common to have continuous grooved track on Melbourne tramway sections?
I was a talking about that short casting on either end of the grooved rail. I can’t think of what it was for.
@@tressteleg1Ah, that! I believe that's a one-piece cast fishplate/footing thing (probably has a name) that each end of the train rail is slid into before being concreted into the roadbed.
It ensures a smooth as possible transition for the train but an almost inevitable series of clunks for the tram.
@@peterelvery Well it is easy for the trains as they simply cut little notches in the railhead to let the tram flanges get through. I’m still not sure what those castings are supposed to do. Maybe they bolt onto the railway track to guide the tram rail so it does not get out of gauge. Even so, I would call the design a failure.
@@tressteleg1 I think cutting notches in the hardened rail top would mean that all the shock load of the wheel hitting the gap would have to be absorbed at what is now the weakest point. Also the track's axle load rating would be compromised. A cast "shoe" underneath mitigates these issues.
(Of course there are no tram/train crossings in Sydney for me to compare)
@@peterelvery Well despite whatever the theory is, that is what they did. On tramways wheels are carried through the gap by ramping of the flangeway which carries the weight of the tram through the gap but I just had a close look at the crossing in the video and there is no sign that that was ever done here for the trains. I have a feeling there might be rubber padding underneath the entire square. I first saw this method used in Ballarat many years ago when the trams crossed the railway line just west of the station.
It's sad that what made the trains and trams pretty unique is gone but such is progress! Does feel very sanitised though. I can imagine the people in the flats near by are enjoying the peace though!
Agreed. However looking at planned future projects, I could see no mention of the two remaining tram/train crossings so possibly they will remain for some years to come.
Is the line no-longer going to be triple track?
Did you watch it to the end? It shows the final situation.
@@tressteleg1 ohhhhhh oops nevermind 😅
@@Planetrainguy This shows how important it is to watch ALL of a video before asking questions. If you don’t have time to watch all of it, you are watching too many videos and won’t remember much about any of them.
@@tressteleg1 yeah :/ I thought the first clip was the before and after with it finished. I’ll do better next time :)
@@Planetrainguy OK. Play them at 2x speed if you wish, but don’t then ask me questions which were answered in my captions/ texts 😄
7:40 W 393M
Ah yes, I caught our old friend 393M, but that was taken a few years ago.
One trame square less in Melbourne😉
Yes, the most interesting one is gone. As far as I know, one of the others is not on the list of future projects, but I have not checked lately.
Why did it need those steel girders across the top when other station didn't? And also what are the letters on the signals at 17:50?
I can only assume that the soil in that area is less stable, maybe sandy but it does seem excessive.
Usually letters indicate the route to the driver. Not sure here.
Interesting video!! Thanks tressteleg1💚👌👍
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Awesome video!😁
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That Comeng horn at 2:11 was magnificent!!
Yes, and I suppose you realise that all those whistles have been taken away because some bureaucrat decided that they did not comply with the rules!!
@@tressteleg1 Yeah. I’ll admit that with the variety of their horns, some of them were pretty weak… but metro would tune them up and they were plenty loud enough to hear coming at a level crossing!
@@Older_is_better_PTV I have no idea what was wrong with them. Somebody commented here about it recently and I think my driver confirmed that they were all gone.
@@tressteleg1 Yeah, they’re all gone now. They didn’t meet the required decibels, not loud enough so they needed to be replaced in order for the Comeng’s to remain in service.
@@Older_is_better_PTV Not loud enough! They must have got very tired as you used to be able to hear them for miles!