To be honest, there are some God's and Goddesses whose PREFERRED adherent's or worshippers, or associates are seekers. Those whose soul and heart and mind are inherently curious, always seeking, questing, making the necessary effort to discover what's out there. It takes a very strong curiosity, stronger than your fear, to attempt to make contact with some of them. I feel like some deities look even more fondly or with more respect upon a person who is willing to seek them out. I mean, if a God or Goddess wants to work with you for some particular purpose, I'm sure they have no qualms whatsoever tapping you on the shoulder. But just because they don't initiate that conversation doesn't mean they don't want to have it.
Hahah, I kind of had a moment like that, a little bit. I was researching into gods and goddesses that reside in the Greek underworld and I found out about Styx. I was just considering if she might be my matron when my mum called me into the kitchen. She was playing a song that I really, really liked. I asked her what the band was, can you guess? Yeah, the band was literally called Styx.
My deity didn't come to me with explosions and stars all around either. It was more a slow building up. He kept appearing here and there and I was very interested in learning about him. There was a pull and a feeling of understanding and warmth. A lot of curiosity. And the realization, it took me a while but I am so thankful for him being in my life, I don't think there could be a more fitting deity. I have a feeling he'll be here with me for a veeeery long time. I see him as my Father. Thank you for this video. It's precious.
Hel is fantastic. My relationship with her and her brother - Fenris - has definitely brought Loki poking around. You didn't touch on this, but I'd like to say that if a Deity comes to you and you aren't comfortable with them or their energy, you can tell them no. You aren't totally without rights as a human when being approached by a Deity.
@Hellcat0009 and @Kelly-Ann Maddox Hellcat0009 What is it like to work with Hel? I think she’s called out to me through Rune cards but I want to know what she’s like before committing. What does she teach you? Also, is she always as grim as Norse mythology suggests?
We are all born with free will ,it depends how we work with thee will, like going to the gym for thee body, interfacing all as one Love and light brother.
"The manner of meeting doesnt really have that much to do with the connection over time" - love this sentiment and all the information about having to work on a connection and form a bond and a relationship with your Matron / Patron deity. I think that is something that is often not discussed and is a really important point to discuss. For me, I believe Morrigan was always there, and as a child I always prayed to "Mother" but it was only when I declared myself ready and searching that She made herself known to me. That "seeking" is so important.
One thing that I think is neglected with Deity is the idea of offerings even when you don't need something. I can't think of anyone, particularly with more liminal Deities where one would like having a "friend" only coming to them when they need something. When I remember, which is pretty often, because my apartment is tiny, I say hello to the matron and patron deities, even if I'm not feeling it. I've dedicated small acts of beautification to my matron, as she is a goddess of the finer things in life; so like, really small things that are part of my day connects me with those divine figures. I typically share a small shot glass of wine if I'm having some or rum in my boyfriend is having some (the rum is for my patron...or step-patron as I'm feeling this one out, he could well be an uncle :P) . I find if I do petition them or celebrate them it feels that much richer from the small acknowledgement and inclusion in my daily life. I like how you said that you don't need to have a prolific event to know who your particular Deity might be. Wikipedia that shit. I personally like the idea of a slow burn in getting to know who you might align yourself with. It took me having a really wonderful acquaintance telling me that my matron had chosen me, after I had put various puzzle pieces together it connected and felt right, but there was no massive epiphany, it was more "oh, huh! Ok then!" Sometimes you just need that drawn out general curiosity to light the fire.
Amen on the slow burn! People have different ways of lighting the fire and they don't need to feel intimidated out of having meaningful connections with deity just because there aren't any fireworks. :)
I REALLY appreciate this video! I have always been a little jelous of people who have these deep spiritual experiences and while I was drawn to the Morrigan for multiple reasons, I was always under the impression from others that you had to be "called" in some way. It was rather intimidating but I claimed her anyway. I feel quite connected to her but appreciated your candor as I really did a lot of research before I connected with her as well. I was happy to know I was not the only one who took that approach!
I love the words "sacred curiosity". I've seen this video a few years ago and was just revisiting. I forget sometimes how good of an example you set. Your words on these topics really took the pressure off of me and helped me find my own personal way in a comunity full of opinionated people. Im 4 years into a long lasting and powerful relationship with a diety and I think your advice was a meaningful part of what let me loosen up enough to let it happen. Thank you for that.
I love that you said your diety may appear in your dream is you ask, but they might not appear "as themself." That hadn't occurred to me and just felt like a lightbulb.
I couldn't help but feel so thankful and relieved (reassured?) when I was watching this video, it was as if waves of stress were being lifted away ,off of me.. Thank you for making such awesomely helpful content and making it available for us masses. Your videos are full of so much gold!
Both of the deities that I practice with are death god and goddess. Hel and Anubis are who I connected with, Hel was easier to find and connect with than Anubis because I had to think back to when I was a child and I realized I had this fascination with Anubis and the way the Egyptians symbolized him and worshiped him.
Why is Loki a nightmare? I literally snorted when you said that. When I think of him I think about trickers and mischief.i feel like I can really relate to him ....
OMG, Kelly-Ann! I was just scrolling through your playlist looking for a video I hadn't seen, and found this. And what's SO EFFING WEIRD IS . . . I'm totally NOT a "deities girl." Never have been. Always more about my "guides." But the other day, I kid you not, I had--yes--a dream about Lord Ganesh! I mean, he was RIGHT THERE inviting me to turn over a particular worry to him. So I did. (I mean, what else are you going to do when GANESH shows up and offers to help?) And once I woke up, I scurried to the local deities-statue shop and purchased a lovely Ganesh. And while I've been talking to him daily since (a week, maybe?), I wanted to see what you had to say about developing a relationship with him. And one of the FIRST things out of your mouth is about this tradition of dreaming of a deity! Something I'd never even heard of!!! (Okay, I interrupted the video to scribble this. Back to you.)
I had the same experience but with another deity! When I first got into my practice I had never worked with deities and I never really care too but I ended up having a dream about the greek goddess Artemis. She announced herself to me in such stature. I love working with her and I'm so glad she announced herself to me. We have so much in common like loving archery and the wilderness. I understand why she contacted me. It's a very cool feeling having a deity directly contact you when you don't expect it.
I know what you mean when you say "he was RIGHT THERE..." had similar experience with a deity (Nephthys). Seeing her so real made me think if I'm really dreaming when I'm actually awaken, and really awaken in my own dreams.
i identify as agender and ive always felt a very very strong connection to both athena and apollo, mainly the masciline. this is very helpful to me and i am super excited to continue my journey in exploring and espressing my spirituality with them!!
Very inspiring! I also feel that the stories of discovering matrons and patrons are also often related to the gods' personnalities. My mother goddess came to me like thunder striking me, when I did not even believe in the gods yet, scaring the shit out of me at the beginning. My patron came later and used a similar approach, bursting out of nowhere and keeping me from sleeping but I felt his touch was a more joyful one. I work with 2 other deities but the feeling of reading about your matron and patron and thinking "this is it, this is home" is completely unique.
I relate to this a lot. It's like coming to meet the universe in the middle, because you have to do your part. You have to put your foot down also. Also I imagined a "sacred dating site" during this video. xD
ares didnt come around to me in a fantasy movie kind of way, too. i always felt drawn to him, ever since i was a child reading about greek mythology and then percy jackson. i really couldnt explain and it didnt make sense, so a few months back i was scrolling through pinterest and found an edit about him. i thought to myself 'well, maybe i should work with him' and something just clicked, it was almost like a 'ugh, finally!'. im very happy with our bond :)
this is a great video thank you I have just started a relationship with Freya and wow so powerful it has happened over finding out my ancestry and she was in the background everything i felt for example death and life etc... was her, so i started researching her and meditating and all of a sudden she is there but also with her energy a lot of mishaps with fire i.e candles attacking me lol altar cloths and flowers catching fire so i have to be really aware of whats going on as she makes herself and what she wants very clear, but the best thing of all is that bond and feeling when she is around me and the joy and energy she also has a sense of humour especially when i try to sing to her this video has really helped me as ive been in my craft journey for over 20 years and never had a maton of patron before but have now started to go into shamanic progressive craft which seems to have changed my mindset thank you and keep up the wonderful videos blessings to you
Loki's my patron. All of my friends kept telling that I was of Loki. At first I was unsure, then decided to look into it more. He then showed up in a dream and he felt really comfortable with him. There have gone through tough times and when that's happened it's almost as if Loki has been standing behind me, cuddling me and telling me that it was all going to be alright. He also showed up in a meditation and called me child. I recently decided to find my matron. I started meditating on it, especially after I had a dream about a black panther showed up in a dream and was just wanting me to pat it and fuss over it. I then decided to search on goddess associated with panthers and Bast came up on a list. The minute that her name came up, I felt really tingly. I really need to meditate on it more and interact with them more.
Love these older videos. Honored to witness your magical evolution 🕊🖤🌹 Feeling these days that it's time for Kwan Yin. Previously it was Isis. Love your perspective on this topic.
Enlil Is One of my main deities.. He made his presence known to me .. Through a very strong wind that started blowing when I walked outside..( it's the same situation with Ninlil & Lilith)
Ahhh Kelly-Ann! Once again you nailed it..I've been struggling a lot lately with this topic,i made a video not long ago about it and i'm so thankful that i always find your videos when i need them. Much love jelly tot! X
this is so helpful to me! I have also been worried about the idea of waiting to be chosen even though I know in my heart who I want to work with, thank you so much for this video.
Holy shit! I literally just began to feel a connection to Hel the other day and was like, "Yes, her. It's her. I need to know more," and then I found *this* video, out of all the millions of videos on TH-cam. So I'm not sure I'll dedicate ASAP, but it also feels like I *should* maybe.
Whilst watching this video I remembered that I had a dream last night where I had befriended two lions and I had the thought to search for a god(s) that are two lions and lo and behold there is an Egyptian God Aker a very early deity of the horizon. Although maybe I'm reading too into it and just spend too much time around cats. If not thanks for helping me put two and two together.
Medusa has visited me off and on for 6-8 months- she first showed up when I was having uncomfortable feelings of how I was to move forward with repressed memories yet intuitive hits and body sensations around molestation. She showed me her story, her true real story, and it immediately resonated me and proved to me that we connected in someway, and then I found out that she had been a Gorgon, which is to me a type of mermaid and late to probably priestess, even though I have not practice actual magic yet I have felt the need to stand up and defend her anytime I see someone sharing the fall story and judging her as evil or a demon, she deserves to have anger or resentment she holds within her what had happened to her. I desperately wanna know how to go about opening communication to find out if she’s is to usher me into something like kaki did for my shadow work who was the only other goddess that ever come to me and also had left once our time was over . or if there’s just simply gonna be a lifetime connection with her and I even though she’s a dark goddess, I am not fearful and I see her as the beautiful woman she was highlighted with a roughness of how she is portrayed almost Westport as her bad if battle. Can you please please help me get started from a beginners level to connect with what I believe to be an energy that is much deeper than to do some diety magic- I lean towards the path of shamanism and the closest thing I’ve done to any kind of elemental magic is flames reading lil I come to you because she actually showed up once again today I can no longer deny her the connection she obviously is seeking
Well, I shall be the hundredth person here to thank you for this video, and you definitely deserve it! I am still looking for my matron deity, have been since I left my organized religion about two years ago, and I have, through very difficult life circumstances, felt a strong pull toward some form of the dark aspect of the Goddess for a long time now. So I started researching everything, from Kali to Morrigan, and even though I loved many aspects of Hindu or African female deities, they were simply either too frightening or too unfamiliar to get intimately involved with them. About a month ago I then turned to Morrigan and started researching and reading, but then I spontaneously watched some YT videos by witches who follow her, and it was a really, REALLY terrible experience, that has left me feeling insecure, unsure what I want, questioning my goals and wishes and even feeling like some impostor, meddling with great Goddesses who neither want me or are ever going to acknowledge or accept me. Quite a few (the vast majority of them, actually) of the witches openly, inequivocally and repeatedly claim that only Morrigan herself can call you, that she chooses you exclusively among the rest, each one of them shared a huge, dramatic and spectacular personal story of cries in the night, visions and apparitions, black feathers and dark roses, and how they were personally chosen, thus unmistakably implying that it is an exceptional honour granted only to a select few, who are somehow better than the rest of us and who are revealed by Morrigan herself to be the only ones worthy to have that bond and belong to her. One witch actually got angry - literally, visibly irritated - and said that it is highly disrespectfull to the Goddess to just come and try to "force oneself" on her and that Morrigan will never ever work with such a person who was NOT called and initiated by the Goddess herself, so we should give it up. Another one stated that if we are "not sure" IF we are being called, then we are NOT, because Morrigan's call is so powerfull and clear, it can never be doubted after being experienced, and yet another one actually claimed that Morrigan doesn't like to be bothered by the "unworthy" and that it is a sign of disrespect to just pretend to be a follower, which she doesn't like and might even punish the impostor with some sort of misfortune etc. Each one, of course, described in great detail their own glowing, amazing story of being chosen, mysteriously added that they are permitted to share only certain aspects of it with us, while the Goddess herself wants them to keep other, intimate parts secret, there was a great aura of pride and superiority with each of them, and I must say that I felt astonished, discouraged and, I admit, rather disgusted by all that. But a part of me was also rather frightened, because I felt as if I was trying to gatecrash a pagan party uninvited, to force this unworthy, unchosen myself on a deity, who clearly picks her followers very carefully, and that I somehow do not belong to this exclusive club of chosen servants of Morrigan. I have since tgen stopped my research and haven't done anything more, and it did leave a rather bitter taste of not knowing if it is just desperate showing off, or if these ladies actually did experience all (or some) of that heavenly spectacle, because no ravens have ever settled on my shoulder in the middle of the street yet, and I have yet to wake up to the eery voice calling my name and telling me that the Goddess has been waiting especially for me troughout eons... I am joking, but I admit all that did disillusion me heavily, and even though your video is helpfull, I still have no idea how to erase this feeling of discouragement and abandonement these ladies seem to spread around. Simply reasearching again, liking someone and then proceeding to try and build a connection now feels like trying to create something that is not there, or forcing myself to believe something that is not genuine, to self-initiate myself as a bogus follower or something - and all is not at all well with my feeling toward this YT pagan community either, I must say... One of the ladies actually said that she doesn't care if we do not agree with her "exclusive membership card can only be issued by the Goddess herself, as it hapened to ME!" theory, because, as she LITERALLY said, "opinions are like assholes - everyone has one!" I don't even know what to think, and the simple "who cares, we are all free and I can do whatever I want and follow whomever I want" approach simply doesn't work. I do NOT expect ravens, drums and apparitions, but simply researching and "building" a relationship definitely got demystified and stupid after those videos, as if it would not be genuine but some sort of cheap and desperare make-believe... Did anyone make a similar experience or has some serious advice for me? (Or an anti-disillusionment potion, I'd gladly take that one! 😂) Thanks in advance, blessed be. 💚🙏
I am incredibly fond and am drawn to The Morrigan however I am struggling to find how it fits in with me (Other than my Irish heritage). It is nice to hear that if I nurture and look into this further that I may find the bond. I am yet to find a patron deity.
I found out that not only was I a pagan witch but also my matron goddess through study of Greek mythology. Demeter came to me first just because I loved her story so much. I have a daughter and she is my only child. Then within that mythology I found Hacate as well. I wear and have many Skelton keys and feel like she is very important to me. But I do have Isis that I work with alwell.
As a Greek Polytheist for many years, I have an altar for the Twelve. But my two matrons are Hecate and Aphrodite. They have been in my life for so long, Hecate came first and then Aphrodite. Two different energies, life and death dualities but are more connected than some people might think! (Both are foreign eastern goddesses in Greece). Aphrodite is very motherly with me, but also humorous as a friend might be. Hecate comes to my life every time I’m at a crossroads, or when I’m about to hit rock bottom. She is more like a mentor, every time she comes to my life she brings a plethora of knowledge that completely evolves my mindset (though they always remain with me!). Both are very protective. Aphrodite is more giving, Hecate is more strict. They recently revealed themselves with other faces (Ishtar and Ereshkigal, which both are descended from).
I'm still coming into my own and grappling with how I came to my deities (or they came to me), and it's still surreal. I mostly work with Thor and Freyja, but I've also made myself open to Aurvandil, Nótt, Máni, and Týr. I attribute Thor for being what brought me back to exploring Paganism and reignited a fire in me. I think it was after learning more about things associated with him that made me feel more connected to him, as I've always been followed by rainy weather and my family likes to joke if the weather suddenly changed it was because I went outside. Hearing about his stories and all that jazz just made me feel so much closer to him, and I see him as this cosmic big brother who gives the warmest hugs and won't take no for an answer when I get down on myself - not leaving my side until I perk up or feel at least a bit better. Freyja was more sudden, having come through to me through a song, and I believe she was the first to call to me through a dream. That one was still heavy and eye opening. She's that big sister type figure who is both sweet like honey, alluring like a siren, but also isn't someone to be declawd - and she won't hesitate to fight back or give you the strength to do so yourself. I'm still waiting on feeling a response from Týr, but I know I do feel a lot of inner peace with Máni, Nótt, and Aurvandil as a night owl with a deep love for astronomy and cosmology. So I don't know if they may have been the first to call to me and it just took me this long to realize it or not.
The video was so helpful. I am in the process of learning about dieties and in my meditation this morning I was moved to work on my chakras and especially my third eye which is exactly what you suggested. Blessed Be.
I've really had my eyes opened in this video. As soon as you spoke about dreams there's been some prominent very significant dreams I had involving snow, homelessness and complete loneliness. Nice insight to my psyche.. Guess I should start there :)
Very useful information for me right now, I feel I am currently going thru an intense spiritual awakening and I actually feel like I have been choosen by a Diety Cool lipstick color & Thanks for sharing 😊
I thougth i had this connection to Ma Kali. I researched her and looked up alot of channelers that channeled her and started practicing her mantra and meditating on her energies. But recently i kinda feel that she left me, maybe i dissappointed her, but i know that she had important lessons to teach me about my inner arrogance and hatred for the world. A sorts of selfreflection by nurturing the wounds and dropping the massive armor and shield. So recent days i have been having a very strong connection to archangel raphael and understanding that our contact goes back several lifetimes. But before Kali i had Dreams about isthar, the babylonian goddess, Or isis as i like to call her. I feel strongly that i have had past life in both those civilization and have a strong connection with this female diety. So iam going to explore this connection further now when Ma Kali has left me. I am happy that iam being given the chance to explore spirituality beyond dogma. And also that i as a male person can explore the modern priestessess and the feminime aspect of the universe. My masculinity has kinda ruled supreme without letting my goddess in. But i feel a change is coming now. So that i can bow before the cosmic mother. Iam totaly fed up by male gods figthing for power over who is the ultimate creator of the universe. And also the slaves that are following them because they fear hell or damnation. Fuck salvation. Biggest lie in history. Iam taking my spaceship and hitting up my spacebuddies after this lifetime!
I totally relate to the 10 drinks with Dionysos thing :') although oddly with him we started at lovers and moved down the scale in the opposite direction. This video was really helpful, thank you for making it! :)
Thank you for sharing about your preparation, search and connection experiences in looking for a patron deity Kelly-Ann yummuffin. The seven motifs of connection were quite lovely and expansive. Sorry but over here in the states it appears google is blocking connection to the circle of friends news letter. Best & cheers, Sean
As far as I know it was Crowley's own system of bonding with deities that he published. Certainly when this subject has come up previously no other source has been mentioned regarding it.
Cool, thanks. I want to share a short story of my own path: I've always felt a very strong connection with music since...well, I don't even remember, the first time I heard music I was like "ok, this is it man". This kind of magick stuff intrigued me and I remember trying to find books on witchcraft when I was in my early teens. But then I got into Atheism and kind of lost interest. Then in my early 20s I felt Atheism was a complete dead end. I never did any of this stuff. Looking back on it I think music was my magick practice without realizing it but now I think I'm tying it back to my interest in esoteric philosophies and magick and stuff to deepen my understanding and experience. I had no idea I was practicing magic - I had no word for it - but now I think I've always been doing it without realizing it. I'm 34 now so it's like 20 years of figuring this stuff out without really feeling like I'm going anywhere. So yeah, it's a really back and forth back path. I've looked into TONS of gods and goddesses from various traditions and I found them interesting but nothing really clicked until a year or so ago when I went back to my ethnic Finnic heritage and the Hellenic tradition which have certain parallels. I still don't think I have 'a' Patron god but kind of a set of myths concerning Hermes, Apollo, Orpheus and the Finnic (Karelian) Väinämöinen who is very similar to Orpheus and Hermes - a kind of musician-sage-magician amalgam. Väinämöinen is basically the greatest musician that ever lived and also the wisest sage at the same time. He's kind of like Odin or Gandalf and totally bad ass. I'm really obsessed with that stuff. :D So I guess you can not have 'a' God but sort of a cluster of God forms? I don't know...or maybe one of them will just click at some point? Does this make any sense to anyone?
So what sort of practical work could I start doing to explore this/these patrons more? I mean besides singing and playing the guitar. (Väinämöinen sings and plays the kantele, a type of zither instrument). I'm a total novice in this stuff.
Wow, something really just clicked. I grew up without a father, so this God archetype obviously fits: "This type of character is typically represented as a kind and wise, older father-type figure who uses personal knowledge of people and the world to help tell stories and offer guidance that, in a mystical way, may impress upon his audience a sense of who they are and who they might become, thereby acting as a mentor." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wise_old_man
Thanks for sharing this down to earth info. I found it so useful and reassuring. You presented the information (loads!!!) really well so thanks again! :)
I’m a new subscriber. I love your videos! You’re the first spiritual you-tuber that I’ve genuinely enjoined listening to. The way you explain things is very interesting and engaging.
I've been thinking about spiritual guides, not matrons, lately, though I hadn't seemed able to make contact. I've been trying various ways and found it all fun and interesting, even if I didn't get that Aha moment. With that idea, I watched this video and Loved what you said about finding your matron on Wikipedia! I'm also a researching type (and fond of death goddesses, I must admit), so I decided to write down all of the goddesses that I'd been enough attracted to that I'd learned something about them. Looooong list, and they're all appealing in their ways, but as I was branching into the less-touched ones, I stumbled by association across one who I hadn't thought about for a while. I looked her up, read a bit, and thought... well, now, isn't that curious? In the course of a frantic few hours, I found my natal chart is loaded with synchronous connections to her, I recalled a previous Tarot teacher discussing her, she embodies visually a lot of the elements I've been working with allegorically and symbolically across multiple systems, and I'd even begun using her persona and name in ordinary, mundane ways without ever thinking about what it meant. Maybe because it's near Goddess Day, but wow. I may have unexpectedly found a matron. I'm deliberate, so not rushing into anything but coffee : ) Still, it's crazy to see how much she's been on the fringes of my awareness and for how long without my noticing before today, so thanks for raising the questions!
I was in Las Vegas at a seminar. I had my hair up and have changed my hair back to dark color. A couple got my attention sitting next to me and the husband asked me if anyone ever told me that I look like Sri lakshmi the Hindu Goddess. Could that be a sign?
Xenia Jane Pobre Wow! Well that would be for you to determine. If it was me, I would consider how the experience made me feel, if I have been calling out for an answer of guide lately, if I feel called to look into the goddess and so on.. Go with your gut. It certainly does seem like a significant experience though! Thanks for sharing! 💖
Can you worship for example different gods and goddess's, like if I felt a connection with, two or three different gods and two or three different goddess . .????
Totally. :) Why the heck not? I work with Kali and Hel and occasionally Freyja. I also honour Athena occasionally, or draw on her energies at appropriate times. Same with Bast. I have experienced a massive calling towards Santa Muerte on and off through my adult life and am considering tapping into her energies soon. Hecate is of interest to me too. I just want one big ol' goddess party, truth be told. It really depends what your outlook is on all this stuff though. It's important to 'feel your way' and go with your own higher mind. Some people would absolutely dread the thought of combining goddesses from different pantheons or actively working with a handful at a time. For some, it's just not the right course of action, and you need to know for yourself what feels comfortable and appropriate for you. Don't wait for anyone else to give you permission to feel what you feel, you know? If you are drawn to different goddesses and your are clear on your reasoning and intention, don't let anyone else hold you back. Similarly, if you don't want to work with multiple goddesses and your are clear on your reasons and intentions for refraining, you're golden.
Thank you for this! All of your videos I have watched today have REALLY resonated with me! I have a couple of Goddesses I feel strongly connected to. (they are almost equal for me) Right now, this feels right. I actually have not felt a connection to a male deity as of yet, nor a pull to find one at this time. I feel like when it's right to pick/find one I will know! Speaking of that, and you may have addressed this in a previous video that I haven't gotten to yet, but how do you feel about mixed Pantheons? I know some people feel this is a terrible idea but I am not sure it honestly matters and that it's more about the connection you feel to the deities. I will definitely be checking out the newsletter! Thank you again! I always learn so much from watching your videos! :)
Thanks for your question. I haven't addressed it yet on the channel. I feel that all pantheons are products of man's imagination but that this doesn't mean they are not 'real'. The imagination is a real place, in my view. These deities have been invested with intense power and reverence, thus making their energies extremely powerful. However, their power is translated through our individual minds. They do not have just one voice, just one demeanor, just one overarching energy. (Ever seen two pagans in an online forum arguing the toss about whether The Morrigan is a vengeful, angry matron or a loving, motherly matron? Yeeaahh - they totally forgot the 'individual consciousness' thing.) Anyway, so, in some people's minds it is a sign of disrespect to mix pantheons. Or some people will distinctly feel that Kali doesn't want to be mixed with Isis on the same altar or the energy won't feel right or whatever. And that's cool, but that's just the vibe according to one person's consciousness and should not be seen as an actual rule. It's just a perception. I do not see any issue with mixing pantheons in my own path. I sometimes have goddesses from different pantheons on the same altar space or in the same visualisation, I address them together etcetera. They are different faces of the one thing, in my book.. Unique but tied together in a big connected web. I hold that everything is intimately related to everything else.. I hope this helps to answer your question.
I'm very happy for you...finding your deity....I hope she leads you along your path. That being said. You have Kali Ma on your wall. I hope it's not just a decoration....because that image has a lot of symbolism to Hindus.
Thanks very much for these interesting thoughts and advices. I have to add an eighth way to associate with your Matron / Patron: You can impersonate and even become Her or Him for a while.
Amazing video! - I have always felt exactly that...kind of a 'why not me?'. Great, funny video - and such pragmatic wisdom. Thanks....I enjoyed it and needed the message! - blessings :)
In that Circle of Friends, the search engine shows the documents of the news letter, but not the site these come from. So it might be censored here in Alaska, where Bible-Thumper-Pride is a big thing.
I have always been drawn to who I think my matron is, even before I knew that wicca was for me. I just don't know how to start with everything cause I just made the change to wicca.
Thank you for this post. I have been following you for the past month or so. And I have to admit that I have a serious girl crush. I, like you, have been aware of my deep spiritual sensibilities for quite sometime. I think Mary Stewart's "Crystal Cave" has something to do with it. Anyways, I have known for a while that Danu plays a major role in my life. And I never thought about making her my designated matron. But it makes so much sense! She has been such a nurturing presence and guiding force for the last couple of years. ...Enough rambling. Thank you again.
cool ty for this informative video my matron local personified goddess is neHELennia some say she is also the immortal/goddess Hel ;) what do you think kelly-ann maddox?
This post is old so not sure if I'll get a response But the deity you work with will introduce you to you deity as this is what happened to me So hail to the horned God
Ha ha the first time this topic ever came up for me I asked my pagan friends how I knew when the god or goddess that was meant for me was trying to get my attention and literally that SAME night I got into a car wreck. Three days later, I had another car wreck. So this topic scares me ha ha. My deity's are determined to get my attention!!!
if you ever have a thing with santa muerte again will you speak about it? she kind of crept out of the woodwork at me and i finally figured out who she is. just saw her everywhere in a short period but didn't know who she was. totally cool!
To be honest, there are some God's and Goddesses whose PREFERRED adherent's or worshippers, or associates are seekers. Those whose soul and heart and mind are inherently curious, always seeking, questing, making the necessary effort to discover what's out there. It takes a very strong curiosity, stronger than your fear, to attempt to make contact with some of them. I feel like some deities look even more fondly or with more respect upon a person who is willing to seek them out. I mean, if a God or Goddess wants to work with you for some particular purpose, I'm sure they have no qualms whatsoever tapping you on the shoulder. But just because they don't initiate that conversation doesn't mean they don't want to have it.
that's an awesome way of looking at it, I love it!!
Hahah, I kind of had a moment like that, a little bit. I was researching into gods and goddesses that reside in the Greek underworld and I found out about Styx. I was just considering if she might be my matron when my mum called me into the kitchen. She was playing a song that I really, really liked. I asked her what the band was, can you guess? Yeah, the band was literally called Styx.
My deity didn't come to me with explosions and stars all around either. It was more a slow building up. He kept appearing here and there and I was very interested in learning about him. There was a pull and a feeling of understanding and warmth. A lot of curiosity. And the realization, it took me a while but I am so thankful for him being in my life, I don't think there could be a more fitting deity. I have a feeling he'll be here with me for a veeeery long time.
I see him as my Father.
Thank you for this video. It's precious.
Hel is fantastic. My relationship with her and her brother - Fenris - has definitely brought Loki poking around. You didn't touch on this, but I'd like to say that if a Deity comes to you and you aren't comfortable with them or their energy, you can tell them no. You aren't totally without rights as a human when being approached by a Deity.
@Hellcat0009 and @Kelly-Ann Maddox Hellcat0009 What is it like to work with Hel? I think she’s called out to me through Rune cards but I want to know what she’s like before committing. What does she teach you? Also, is she always as grim as Norse mythology suggests?
@@alexandermorse1306 You can check her out without committing, you know.
TheNamelessName yeah I tried...if I could I would
We are all born with free will ,it depends how we work with thee will, like going to the gym for thee body, interfacing all as one
Love and light brother.
"The manner of meeting doesnt really have that much to do with the connection over time" - love this sentiment and all the information about having to work on a connection and form a bond and a relationship with your Matron / Patron deity. I think that is something that is often not discussed and is a really important point to discuss.
For me, I believe Morrigan was always there, and as a child I always prayed to "Mother" but it was only when I declared myself ready and searching that She made herself known to me. That "seeking" is so important.
"Yours faithfully, pagan with an altar offering." Haha! I love that.
You pagans should convert to the real religion hel be fake
zhou god How do you know Hel is fake? What is the “real religion”? Why come on a video that doesn’t interest you and make a pointless comment?
One thing that I think is neglected with Deity is the idea of offerings even when you don't need something. I can't think of anyone, particularly with more liminal Deities where one would like having a "friend" only coming to them when they need something. When I remember, which is pretty often, because my apartment is tiny, I say hello to the matron and patron deities, even if I'm not feeling it. I've dedicated small acts of beautification to my matron, as she is a goddess of the finer things in life; so like, really small things that are part of my day connects me with those divine figures. I typically share a small shot glass of wine if I'm having some or rum in my boyfriend is having some (the rum is for my patron...or step-patron as I'm feeling this one out, he could well be an uncle :P) . I find if I do petition them or celebrate them it feels that much richer from the small acknowledgement and inclusion in my daily life.
I like how you said that you don't need to have a prolific event to know who your particular Deity might be. Wikipedia that shit. I personally like the idea of a slow burn in getting to know who you might align yourself with. It took me having a really wonderful acquaintance telling me that my matron had chosen me, after I had put various puzzle pieces together it connected and felt right, but there was no massive epiphany, it was more "oh, huh! Ok then!" Sometimes you just need that drawn out general curiosity to light the fire.
Amen on the slow burn! People have different ways of lighting the fire and they don't need to feel intimidated out of having meaningful connections with deity just because there aren't any fireworks. :)
I REALLY appreciate this video! I have always been a little jelous of people who have these deep spiritual experiences and while I was drawn to the Morrigan for multiple reasons, I was always under the impression from others that you had to be "called" in some way. It was rather intimidating but I claimed her anyway. I feel quite connected to her but appreciated your candor as I really did a lot of research before I connected with her as well. I was happy to know I was not the only one who took that approach!
nataliesuzzann me too
I love the words "sacred curiosity". I've seen this video a few years ago and was just revisiting. I forget sometimes how good of an example you set.
Your words on these topics really took the pressure off of me and helped me find my own personal way in a comunity full of opinionated people. Im 4 years into a long lasting and powerful relationship with a diety and I think your advice was a meaningful part of what let me loosen up enough to let it happen. Thank you for that.
Oh wow, the 7 ways... that's really interesting. They get progressively more intimate. Love that.
I love that you said your diety may appear in your dream is you ask, but they might not appear "as themself." That hadn't occurred to me and just felt like a lightbulb.
I couldn't help but feel so thankful and relieved (reassured?) when I was watching this video, it was as if waves of stress were being lifted away ,off of me.. Thank you for making such awesomely helpful content and making it available for us masses. Your videos are full of so much gold!
Both of the deities that I practice with are death god and goddess. Hel and Anubis are who I connected with, Hel was easier to find and connect with than Anubis because I had to think back to when I was a child and I realized I had this fascination with Anubis and the way the Egyptians symbolized him and worshiped him.
Why is Loki a nightmare? I literally snorted when you said that. When I think of him I think about trickers and mischief.i feel like I can really relate to him ....
OMG, Kelly-Ann! I was just scrolling through your playlist looking for a video I hadn't seen, and found this. And what's SO EFFING WEIRD IS . . . I'm totally NOT a "deities girl." Never have been. Always more about my "guides." But the other day, I kid you not, I had--yes--a dream about Lord Ganesh! I mean, he was RIGHT THERE inviting me to turn over a particular worry to him. So I did. (I mean, what else are you going to do when GANESH shows up and offers to help?) And once I woke up, I scurried to the local deities-statue shop and purchased a lovely Ganesh. And while I've been talking to him daily since (a week, maybe?), I wanted to see what you had to say about developing a relationship with him. And one of the FIRST things out of your mouth is about this tradition of dreaming of a deity! Something I'd never even heard of!!!
(Okay, I interrupted the video to scribble this. Back to you.)
I had the same experience but with another deity! When I first got into my practice I had never worked with deities and I never really care too but I ended up having a dream about the greek goddess Artemis. She announced herself to me in such stature. I love working with her and I'm so glad she announced herself to me. We have so much in common like loving archery and the wilderness. I understand why she contacted me. It's a very cool feeling having a deity directly contact you when you don't expect it.
I know what you mean when you say "he was RIGHT THERE..." had similar experience with a deity (Nephthys). Seeing her so real made me think if I'm really dreaming when I'm actually awaken, and really awaken in my own dreams.
i identify as agender and ive always felt a very very strong connection to both athena and apollo, mainly the masciline. this is very helpful to me and i am super excited to continue my journey in exploring and espressing my spirituality with them!!
As I was listening to you I began searching for images "Hel" and a few minutes later you began talking about Hel. I like the synchronicity of that.
Ooooh! That means something!
I know I'm 6 years late to the party but this has been exceedingly helpful. Thank you so much and I hope you're having an awesome day.
Very inspiring! I also feel that the stories of discovering matrons and patrons are also often related to the gods' personnalities. My mother goddess came to me like thunder striking me, when I did not even believe in the gods yet, scaring the shit out of me at the beginning. My patron came later and used a similar approach, bursting out of nowhere and keeping me from sleeping but I felt his touch was a more joyful one. I work with 2 other deities but the feeling of reading about your matron and patron and thinking "this is it, this is home" is completely unique.
Isn't it? It's such a lovely feeling.
I relate to this a lot. It's like coming to meet the universe in the middle, because you have to do your part. You have to put your foot down also. Also I imagined a "sacred dating site" during this video. xD
ares didnt come around to me in a fantasy movie kind of way, too. i always felt drawn to him, ever since i was a child reading about greek mythology and then percy jackson. i really couldnt explain and it didnt make sense, so a few months back i was scrolling through pinterest and found an edit about him. i thought to myself 'well, maybe i should work with him' and something just clicked, it was almost like a 'ugh, finally!'. im very happy with our bond :)
"Yours Respectfully, Pagan with an Altar Offering"
this is a great video thank you I have just started a relationship with Freya and wow so powerful it has happened over finding out my ancestry and she was in the background everything i felt for example death and life etc... was her, so i started researching her and meditating and all of a sudden she is there but also with her energy a lot of mishaps with fire i.e candles attacking me lol altar cloths and flowers catching fire so i have to be really aware of whats going on as she makes herself and what she wants very clear, but the best thing of all is that bond and feeling when she is around me and the joy and energy she also has a sense of humour especially when i try to sing to her this video has really helped me as ive been in my craft journey for over 20 years and never had a maton of patron before but have now started to go into shamanic progressive craft which seems to have changed my mindset thank you and keep up the wonderful videos blessings to you
"And I just found her on Wikipedia!" Thank you for this!! Love the video 💜
who I think my goddesses are:Frejya,Hecate,Demeter,Nyx,and maybe Aphrodite
gods:hypnos
Loki's my patron. All of my friends kept telling that I was of Loki. At first I was unsure, then decided to look into it more. He then showed up in a dream and he felt really comfortable with him. There have gone through tough times and when that's happened it's almost as if Loki has been standing behind me, cuddling me and telling me that it was all going to be alright. He also showed up in a meditation and called me child. I recently decided to find my matron. I started meditating on it, especially after I had a dream about a black panther showed up in a dream and was just wanting me to pat it and fuss over it. I then decided to search on goddess associated with panthers and Bast came up on a list. The minute that her name came up, I felt really tingly. I really need to meditate on it more and interact with them more.
Love these older videos. Honored to witness your magical evolution 🕊🖤🌹
Feeling these days that it's time for Kwan Yin. Previously it was Isis. Love your perspective on this topic.
I like your Gothic look !!! 😍 bangs yes
Omg!!! I had a dream of king oberon in a painting. And i just remember that dream and started talking to the faery realm and i got chills everywhere!
Enlil Is One of my main deities..
He made his presence known to me ..
Through a very strong wind that started blowing when I walked outside..( it's the same situation with Ninlil & Lilith)
I am currently on my search - this video was eye opening- thank you for this
Ahhh Kelly-Ann! Once again you nailed it..I've been struggling a lot lately with this topic,i made a video not long ago about it and i'm so thankful that i always find your videos when i need them. Much love jelly tot! X
Yo all YOUR GODS are FAKE time for ye to convert to the real religion.
this is so helpful to me! I have also been worried about the idea of waiting to be chosen even though I know in my heart who I want to work with, thank you so much for this video.
+SafiOwns You're so welcome, thanks for checking it out.
Holy shit! I literally just began to feel a connection to Hel the other day and was like, "Yes, her. It's her. I need to know more," and then I found *this* video, out of all the millions of videos on TH-cam. So I'm not sure I'll dedicate ASAP, but it also feels like I *should* maybe.
Yo hel be fake that dumbshit be fake and doesn't exist you should convert to the real religion
Whilst watching this video I remembered that I had a dream last night where I had befriended two lions and I had the thought to search for a god(s) that are two lions and lo and behold there is an Egyptian God Aker a very early deity of the horizon. Although maybe I'm reading too into it and just spend too much time around cats. If not thanks for helping me put two and two together.
Medusa has visited me off and on for 6-8 months- she first showed up when I was having uncomfortable feelings of how I was to move forward with repressed memories yet intuitive hits and body sensations around molestation. She showed me her story, her true real story, and it immediately resonated me and proved to me that we connected in someway, and then I found out that she had been a Gorgon, which is to me a type of mermaid and late to probably priestess, even though I have not practice actual magic yet I have felt the need to stand up and defend her anytime I see someone sharing the fall story and judging her as evil or a demon, she deserves to have anger or resentment she holds within her what had happened to her. I desperately wanna know how to go about opening communication to find out if she’s is to usher me into something like kaki did for my shadow work who was the only other goddess that ever come to me and also had left once our time was over . or if there’s just simply gonna be a lifetime connection with her and I even though she’s a dark goddess, I am not fearful and I see her as the beautiful woman she was highlighted with a roughness of how she is portrayed almost Westport as her bad if battle. Can you please please help me get started from a beginners level to connect with what I believe to be an energy that is much deeper than to do some diety magic- I lean towards the path of shamanism and the closest thing I’ve done to any kind of elemental magic is flames reading lil I come to you because she actually showed up once again today I can no longer deny her the connection she obviously is seeking
Good solid advice and thoughts. Well expressed. Thank you. Couldn’t agree more.
Blessed Be
Well, I shall be the hundredth person here to thank you for this video, and you definitely deserve it! I am still looking for my matron deity, have been since I left my organized religion about two years ago, and I have, through very difficult life circumstances, felt a strong pull toward some form of the dark aspect of the Goddess for a long time now. So I started researching everything, from Kali to Morrigan, and even though I loved many aspects of Hindu or African female deities, they were simply either too frightening or too unfamiliar to get intimately involved with them. About a month ago I then turned to Morrigan and started researching and reading, but then I spontaneously watched some YT videos by witches who follow her, and it was a really, REALLY terrible experience, that has left me feeling insecure, unsure what I want, questioning my goals and wishes and even feeling like some impostor, meddling with great Goddesses who neither want me or are ever going to acknowledge or accept me. Quite a few (the vast majority of them, actually) of the witches openly, inequivocally and repeatedly claim that only Morrigan herself can call you, that she chooses you exclusively among the rest, each one of them shared a huge, dramatic and spectacular personal story of cries in the night, visions and apparitions, black feathers and dark roses, and how they were personally chosen, thus unmistakably implying that it is an exceptional honour granted only to a select few, who are somehow better than the rest of us and who are revealed by Morrigan herself to be the only ones worthy to have that bond and belong to her. One witch actually got angry - literally, visibly irritated - and said that it is highly disrespectfull to the Goddess to just come and try to "force oneself" on her and that Morrigan will never ever work with such a person who was NOT called and initiated by the Goddess herself, so we should give it up. Another one stated that if we are "not sure" IF we are being called, then we are NOT, because Morrigan's call is so powerfull and clear, it can never be doubted after being experienced, and yet another one actually claimed that Morrigan doesn't like to be bothered by the "unworthy" and that it is a sign of disrespect to just pretend to be a follower, which she doesn't like and might even punish the impostor with some sort of misfortune etc. Each one, of course, described in great detail their own glowing, amazing story of being chosen, mysteriously added that they are permitted to share only certain aspects of it with us, while the Goddess herself wants them to keep other, intimate parts secret, there was a great aura of pride and superiority with each of them, and I must say that I felt astonished, discouraged and, I admit, rather disgusted by all that. But a part of me was also rather frightened, because I felt as if I was trying to gatecrash a pagan party uninvited, to force this unworthy, unchosen myself on a deity, who clearly picks her followers very carefully, and that I somehow do not belong to this exclusive club of chosen servants of Morrigan. I have since tgen stopped my research and haven't done anything more, and it did leave a rather bitter taste of not knowing if it is just desperate showing off, or if these ladies actually did experience all (or some) of that heavenly spectacle, because no ravens have ever settled on my shoulder in the middle of the street yet, and I have yet to wake up to the eery voice calling my name and telling me that the Goddess has been waiting especially for me troughout eons... I am joking, but I admit all that did disillusion me heavily, and even though your video is helpfull, I still have no idea how to erase this feeling of discouragement and abandonement these ladies seem to spread around. Simply reasearching again, liking someone and then proceeding to try and build a connection now feels like trying to create something that is not there, or forcing myself to believe something that is not genuine, to self-initiate myself as a bogus follower or something - and all is not at all well with my feeling toward this YT pagan community either, I must say... One of the ladies actually said that she doesn't care if we do not agree with her "exclusive membership card can only be issued by the Goddess herself, as it hapened to ME!" theory, because, as she LITERALLY said, "opinions are like assholes - everyone has one!" I don't even know what to think, and the simple "who cares, we are all free and I can do whatever I want and follow whomever I want" approach simply doesn't work. I do NOT expect ravens, drums and apparitions, but simply researching and "building" a relationship definitely got demystified and stupid after those videos, as if it would not be genuine but some sort of cheap and desperare make-believe... Did anyone make a similar experience or has some serious advice for me? (Or an anti-disillusionment potion, I'd gladly take that one! 😂) Thanks in advance, blessed be. 💚🙏
I feel this way with Hel too. She's beautiful
I am incredibly fond and am drawn to The Morrigan however I am struggling to find how it fits in with me (Other than my Irish heritage). It is nice to hear that if I nurture and look into this further that I may find the bond. I am yet to find a patron deity.
I found out that not only was I a pagan witch but also my matron goddess through study of Greek mythology. Demeter came to me first just because I loved her story so much. I have a daughter and she is my only child. Then within that mythology I found Hacate as well. I wear and have many Skelton keys and feel like she is very important to me. But I do have Isis that I work with alwell.
As a Greek Polytheist for many years, I have an altar for the Twelve. But my two matrons are Hecate and Aphrodite. They have been in my life for so long, Hecate came first and then Aphrodite. Two different energies, life and death dualities but are more connected than some people might think! (Both are foreign eastern goddesses in Greece). Aphrodite is very motherly with me, but also humorous as a friend might be. Hecate comes to my life every time I’m at a crossroads, or when I’m about to hit rock bottom. She is more like a mentor, every time she comes to my life she brings a plethora of knowledge that completely evolves my mindset (though they always remain with me!). Both are very protective. Aphrodite is more giving, Hecate is more strict. They recently revealed themselves with other faces (Ishtar and Ereshkigal, which both are descended from).
I'm still coming into my own and grappling with how I came to my deities (or they came to me), and it's still surreal. I mostly work with Thor and Freyja, but I've also made myself open to Aurvandil, Nótt, Máni, and Týr.
I attribute Thor for being what brought me back to exploring Paganism and reignited a fire in me. I think it was after learning more about things associated with him that made me feel more connected to him, as I've always been followed by rainy weather and my family likes to joke if the weather suddenly changed it was because I went outside. Hearing about his stories and all that jazz just made me feel so much closer to him, and I see him as this cosmic big brother who gives the warmest hugs and won't take no for an answer when I get down on myself - not leaving my side until I perk up or feel at least a bit better.
Freyja was more sudden, having come through to me through a song, and I believe she was the first to call to me through a dream. That one was still heavy and eye opening. She's that big sister type figure who is both sweet like honey, alluring like a siren, but also isn't someone to be declawd - and she won't hesitate to fight back or give you the strength to do so yourself.
I'm still waiting on feeling a response from Týr, but I know I do feel a lot of inner peace with Máni, Nótt, and Aurvandil as a night owl with a deep love for astronomy and cosmology. So I don't know if they may have been the first to call to me and it just took me this long to realize it or not.
I love the Kali art.
The video was so helpful. I am in the process of learning about dieties and in my meditation this morning I was moved to work on my chakras and especially my third eye which is exactly what you suggested. Blessed Be.
I've really had my eyes opened in this video. As soon as you spoke about dreams there's been some prominent very significant dreams I had involving snow, homelessness and complete loneliness. Nice insight to my psyche.. Guess I should start there :)
the seven ways to connect could even be used as a radical self-love techniques where you treat yourself in those different ways
+kitsune deva Awesome idea!
thanks! :D
New Thought
Coulnt reach your Circle of friends site....... Very interesting information,
Thanks for you video! I enjoyed it.
Love the lipstick.
Could totally get the Hel vibe
Very useful information for me right now, I feel I am currently going thru an intense spiritual awakening and I actually feel like I have been choosen by a Diety Cool lipstick color & Thanks for sharing 😊
very useful info...im sure im not interested in the same type as you were tho but thanks for your info and time.
im quite fond of the lovers approach ;)
I have had an interest in Hecate and what you are describing resonates with my experience.
Bro you should convert to the real religion hecate be fake and never existed nor will ever exist
@@zhougod5783 anyone claiming to have all the answers is a fraud.
Two great videos very very helpful, thanks again.
I thougth i had this connection to Ma Kali. I researched her and looked up alot of channelers that channeled her and started practicing her mantra and meditating on her energies. But recently i kinda feel that she left me, maybe i dissappointed her, but i know that she had important lessons to teach me about my inner arrogance and hatred for the world. A sorts of selfreflection by nurturing the wounds and dropping the massive armor and shield. So recent days i have been having a very strong connection to archangel raphael and understanding that our contact goes back several lifetimes.
But before Kali i had Dreams about isthar, the babylonian goddess, Or isis as i like to call her. I feel strongly that i have had past life in both those civilization and have a strong connection with this female diety. So iam going to explore this connection further now when Ma Kali has left me. I am happy that iam being given the chance to explore spirituality beyond dogma. And also that i as a male person can explore the modern priestessess and the feminime aspect of the universe. My masculinity has kinda ruled supreme without letting my goddess in. But i feel a change is coming now. So that i can bow before the cosmic mother. Iam totaly fed up by male gods figthing for power over who is the ultimate creator of the universe. And also the slaves that are following them because they fear hell or damnation. Fuck salvation. Biggest lie in history. Iam taking my spaceship and hitting up my spacebuddies after this lifetime!
Thank you for all these very clear and useful information, will help me a lot 🙏😊😘
This was one of the most helpful videos ever. Thank you so much!
Study and seeking are very holy things I think sometimes your patrons makes you seek them
Haha your Dionysius comment yesssss 😂 you are so wonderful. I needed this video I was waiting like what the flick. Much love
I totally relate to the 10 drinks with Dionysos thing :') although oddly with him we started at lovers and moved down the scale in the opposite direction. This video was really helpful, thank you for making it! :)
Thank you for sharing about your preparation, search and connection experiences in looking for a patron deity Kelly-Ann yummuffin. The seven motifs of connection were quite lovely and expansive. Sorry but over here in the states it appears google is blocking connection to the circle of friends news letter. Best & cheers, Sean
First time viewer :) This video is great.
LOVE this look!
As far as I know it was Crowley's own system of bonding with deities that he published. Certainly when this subject has come up previously no other source has been mentioned regarding it.
Cool, thanks. I want to share a short story of my own path:
I've always felt a very strong connection with music since...well, I don't even remember, the first time I heard music I was like "ok, this is it man". This kind of magick stuff intrigued me and I remember trying to find books on witchcraft when I was in my early teens. But then I got into Atheism and kind of lost interest. Then in my early 20s I felt Atheism was a complete dead end. I never did any of this stuff.
Looking back on it I think music was my magick practice without realizing it but now I think I'm tying it back to my interest in esoteric philosophies and magick and stuff to deepen my understanding and experience. I had no idea I was practicing magic - I had no word for it - but now I think I've always been doing it without realizing it.
I'm 34 now so it's like 20 years of figuring this stuff out without really feeling like I'm going anywhere. So yeah, it's a really back and forth back path. I've looked into TONS of gods and goddesses from various traditions and I found them interesting but nothing really clicked until a year or so ago when I went back to my ethnic Finnic heritage and the Hellenic tradition which have certain parallels.
I still don't think I have 'a' Patron god but kind of a set of myths concerning Hermes, Apollo, Orpheus and the Finnic (Karelian) Väinämöinen who is very similar to Orpheus and Hermes - a kind of musician-sage-magician amalgam. Väinämöinen is basically the greatest musician that ever lived and also the wisest sage at the same time. He's kind of like Odin or Gandalf and totally bad ass. I'm really obsessed with that stuff. :D So I guess you can not have 'a' God but sort of a cluster of God forms? I don't know...or maybe one of them will just click at some point? Does this make any sense to anyone?
So what sort of practical work could I start doing to explore this/these patrons more? I mean besides singing and playing the guitar. (Väinämöinen sings and plays the kantele, a type of zither instrument). I'm a total novice in this stuff.
Wow, something really just clicked. I grew up without a father, so this God archetype obviously fits:
"This type of character is typically represented as a kind and wise,
older father-type figure who uses personal knowledge of people and the
world to help tell stories and offer guidance that, in a mystical way,
may impress upon his audience a sense of who they are and who they might
become, thereby acting as a mentor."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wise_old_man
Thanks for sharing this down to earth info. I found it so useful and reassuring. You presented the information (loads!!!) really well so thanks again! :)
Excellent guidance thanks very much 🙂
I’m a new subscriber. I love your videos! You’re the first spiritual you-tuber that I’ve genuinely enjoined listening to. The way you explain things is very interesting and engaging.
I've been thinking about spiritual guides, not matrons, lately, though I hadn't seemed able to make contact. I've been trying various ways and found it all fun and interesting, even if I didn't get that Aha moment. With that idea, I watched this video and Loved what you said about finding your matron on Wikipedia! I'm also a researching type (and fond of death goddesses, I must admit), so I decided to write down all of the goddesses that I'd been enough attracted to that I'd learned something about them. Looooong list, and they're all appealing in their ways, but as I was branching into the less-touched ones, I stumbled by association across one who I hadn't thought about for a while. I looked her up, read a bit, and thought... well, now, isn't that curious?
In the course of a frantic few hours, I found my natal chart is loaded with synchronous connections to her, I recalled a previous Tarot teacher discussing her, she embodies visually a lot of the elements I've been working with allegorically and symbolically across multiple systems, and I'd even begun using her persona and name in ordinary, mundane ways without ever thinking about what it meant. Maybe because it's near Goddess Day, but wow. I may have unexpectedly found a matron. I'm deliberate, so not rushing into anything but coffee : ) Still, it's crazy to see how much she's been on the fringes of my awareness and for how long without my noticing before today, so thanks for raising the questions!
This just made me smile ridiculously. How cool! :D
💙💜❤ YAY!!!! Found your channel again..missed you😜.
Thank You🌹blessed it be✨.
I was in Las Vegas at a seminar. I had my hair up and have changed my hair back to dark color. A couple got my attention sitting next to me and the husband asked me if anyone ever told me that I look like Sri lakshmi the Hindu Goddess. Could that be a sign?
Xenia Jane Pobre
Wow! Well that would be for you to determine. If it was me, I would consider how the experience made me feel, if I have been calling out for an answer of guide lately, if I feel called to look into the goddess and so on.. Go with your gut. It certainly does seem like a significant experience though! Thanks for sharing! 💖
Oh my gods I asked Ares for a sign if he was willing to work with me and this video popped up on my youtube recommended Thank You Ares!!
Can you worship for example different gods and goddess's, like if I felt a connection with, two or three different gods and two or three different goddess . .????
Totally. :) Why the heck not? I work with Kali and Hel and occasionally Freyja. I also honour Athena occasionally, or draw on her energies at appropriate times. Same with Bast. I have experienced a massive calling towards Santa Muerte on and off through my adult life and am considering tapping into her energies soon. Hecate is of interest to me too. I just want one big ol' goddess party, truth be told.
It really depends what your outlook is on all this stuff though. It's important to 'feel your way' and go with your own higher mind. Some people would absolutely dread the thought of combining goddesses from different pantheons or actively working with a handful at a time. For some, it's just not the right course of action, and you need to know for yourself what feels comfortable and appropriate for you. Don't wait for anyone else to give you permission to feel what you feel, you know? If you are drawn to different goddesses and your are clear on your reasoning and intention, don't let anyone else hold you back. Similarly, if you don't want to work with multiple goddesses and your are clear on your reasons and intentions for refraining, you're golden.
Thank you for this! All of your videos I have watched today have REALLY resonated with me!
I have a couple of Goddesses I feel strongly connected to. (they are almost equal for me) Right now, this feels right. I actually have not felt a connection to a male deity as of yet, nor a pull to find one at this time. I feel like when it's right to pick/find one I will know! Speaking of that, and you may have addressed this in a previous video that I haven't gotten to yet, but how do you feel about mixed Pantheons? I know some people feel this is a terrible idea but I am not sure it honestly matters and that it's more about the connection you feel to the deities.
I will definitely be checking out the newsletter! Thank you again! I always learn so much from watching your videos! :)
Thanks for your question. I haven't addressed it yet on the channel. I feel that all pantheons are products of man's imagination but that this doesn't mean they are not 'real'. The imagination is a real place, in my view. These deities have been invested with intense power and reverence, thus making their energies extremely powerful. However, their power is translated through our individual minds. They do not have just one voice, just one demeanor, just one overarching energy. (Ever seen two pagans in an online forum arguing the toss about whether The Morrigan is a vengeful, angry matron or a loving, motherly matron? Yeeaahh - they totally forgot the 'individual consciousness' thing.)
Anyway, so, in some people's minds it is a sign of disrespect to mix pantheons. Or some people will distinctly feel that Kali doesn't want to be mixed with Isis on the same altar or the energy won't feel right or whatever. And that's cool, but that's just the vibe according to one person's consciousness and should not be seen as an actual rule. It's just a perception.
I do not see any issue with mixing pantheons in my own path. I sometimes have goddesses from different pantheons on the same altar space or in the same visualisation, I address them together etcetera. They are different faces of the one thing, in my book.. Unique but tied together in a big connected web. I hold that everything is intimately related to everything else..
I hope this helps to answer your question.
I'm very happy for you...finding your deity....I hope she leads you along your path.
That being said. You have Kali Ma on your wall. I hope it's not just a decoration....because that image has a lot of symbolism to Hindus.
I've been attached to Dionisis and didn't even know! That ten_drink comment made me realize! Hahaha
Haha, glad to be of service. ;)
Thanks very much for these interesting thoughts and advices. I have to add an eighth way to associate with your Matron / Patron: You can impersonate and even become Her or Him for a while.
Amazing video! - I have always felt exactly that...kind of a 'why not me?'. Great, funny video - and such pragmatic wisdom. Thanks....I enjoyed it and needed the message! - blessings :)
Wonderful video!! Thank you so much. I am super new and this helped a lot. The like to the newsletter isn’t working 😞
In that Circle of Friends, the search engine shows the documents of the news letter, but not the site these come from. So it might be censored here in Alaska, where Bible-Thumper-Pride is a big thing.
I have always been drawn to who I think my matron is, even before I knew that wicca was for me. I just don't know how to start with everything cause I just made the change to wicca.
thank you for this video - it spoke to me a lot!
Is there a new link to the Circle of Friends newsletter? Im not finding it ~ Thank you!
Awesome video. Thanks.
Thank you for this post. I have been following you for the past month or so. And I have to admit that I have a serious girl crush. I, like you, have been aware of my deep spiritual sensibilities for quite sometime. I think Mary Stewart's "Crystal Cave" has something to do with it. Anyways, I have known for a while that Danu plays a major role in my life. And I never thought about making her my designated matron. But it makes so much sense! She has been such a nurturing presence and guiding force for the last couple of years.
...Enough rambling. Thank you again.
Yo YOUR GODS are fake time for ye to convert to the real religion.
cool ty for this informative video my matron local personified goddess is neHELennia some say she is also the immortal/goddess Hel ;) what do you think kelly-ann maddox?
Instantly subscribes. Im so glad i found your channel!
Great Video!
Excellent information. What do you exactly mean when you say "dedicated"?
Thanks
This post is old so not sure if I'll get a response
But the deity you work with will introduce you to you deity as this is what happened to me
So hail to the horned God
Loki may have been a Nightmare but I love him
Yo Loki be fake and was never real and will never be real time for ye to convert to the real religion
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Ha ha the first time this topic ever came up for me I asked my pagan friends how I knew when the god or goddess that was meant for me was trying to get my attention and literally that SAME night I got into a car wreck. Three days later, I had another car wreck. So this topic scares me ha ha. My deity's are determined to get my attention!!!
What is also a great way to be more open to these dieties to speak and approach me?
Where and how can I begin a research on deities end entities to choose one to work with?
if you ever have a thing with santa muerte again will you speak about it? she kind of crept out of the woodwork at me and i finally figured out who she is. just saw her everywhere in a short period but didn't know who she was. totally cool!
Sure I will :)
Loooving your blue lipstick. Where did you find it? What brand?
It's Stargazer :) www.stargazer-products.com/ A classic UK makeup company from the punk era, cruelty free too.
Ahh, perfect. Thank you.
Hey beautiful thanks so much aways so wise with words.❤
which is the vid where you talk about your contact with Kali, please? I am her devotee and I'd love to check that out.
You remind me of Jessie J a lot, lol.