Why are MLB Playoff games NOT SOLD OUT?
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I fully comprehend: Tuesday afternoon baseball games are difficult to attend. People have jobs & lives. But MLB & its teams should do a better job to either re-think the playoff schedule, or make sure the stadiums are packed. Otherwise, it's just a bad look in October.
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Well we are in the start of a depression and most people don't have extra cash to buy super expensive baseball tickets!
I wonder how many of those seats were bought by scalping sites that could not unload them at crazy prices in the secondary market.
Those sites adjust prices as tickets are sold....they follow the trend starting the morning of the game. Profit is already made by the time they go on a fire sale.
Agreed
Or how many of them are owned by businesses who are not going to be crazy about letting people go to a ball game on their dime in the middle of a workday. There are a huge number of season tickets owned by businesses, much more than any other sport, because very few people can afford a full 81 game season ticket package.
Come on Brodie, answer is simple: Way too expensive. As made by many commentors, tickets, beverages, souvenirs, parking; all damn near a mortgage payment. Better to sit at home in my comfy couch with my own bathroom.
Yup, got your own food right there AND no fear of getting assaulted or stabbed. Real world issues in 2024, unfortunately!
@@kendallevans4079 Assaulted or stabbed? LOL...How often do you hear about people being "assaulted and stabbed" outside of a baseball game? Rarely.
Most of the games I go to are in Downtown Detroit and in over 40 years of attending games not once have I ever been in any way in a situation where I was afraid of being assaulted or stabbed. Never had a single problem other than being asked for money from homeless people. And that includes a couple of night games this year.
agree with that too... besides timing.. just need to find a way to make your home field, you know, a home field advantage.
@@brodiebrazil Actually the Wild Card tickets were pretty cheap when I looked on Seat Geek (for the Astros vs Tigers series that is) but with the fees it can get a bit pricey. As an Astros fan, I thought about going to a Wild Card game but decided that going to an ALDS game would've been more worth it. Sadly, this won't be the case due to the team losing the series but I'm curious as to how many people had the same idea as I did since it has been pretty routine seeing the Astros in the playoffs (I basically thought that a trip to the ALDS was a guarantee). Also this was a down year for the team compared to past years so I imagine that factored in as well for some people but being the 4th largest city in the U.S. and the tickets being cheap for the Wild Card you'd think that the stadium would be pretty close to being sold out.
Aramark is ruining stadiums around the nation
About 2 hours before the Baltimore game, I was offered tickets. The cost was $280 per seat plus parking. No way most fans would choose that over watching on TV.
Kinda crazy. I saw some data for regular season and the average ticket price is in the 30s for the Os.
dude box office tickets were going for 14 dollars before the game
@@justinarney3050 Man, I hope someone figures out how to blow up dynamic pricing where they eliminate it. It's ridiculous for all industries.
They were price gouging you. They were selling tickets in the lower deck for 50 dollars
For far cheaper, I'd rather watch the game at my favorite bar with other local fans.
Could get a lot of nice beers and bar food plus my Uber rides to and from the bar. 😄
I've said in the past that MLB's playoff TV schedule makes it difficult for fans to attend the game in person, because they don't make it clear what time a game will be, until literally hours before the game.
yeah, the TBA last minute thing is rough
NFL playoffs, next Sat/Sunday, divisional followers Sat/Sunday, weekend after, championship Sunday.
Super Bowl, two weeks after Championship Sunday.
Easy to understand.
@@guadalupev30 Don’t forget in last couple of years Monday Night for the first round as well.,
MLB needs to stop having 11am playoff games on a Tuesday.
This. Right. Here.
Most of us have jobs that we can’t just leave to go see a game. What does MLB expect?
@Rocif you want sold out day games you need cheap tickets for those available during the day.
I can make my midnight shift for a 1pm game in detroit, but I'm not paying more than I make in a shift. kin_Ross
I agree play the games in the evening
With Thanksgiving and Christmas coming up, people are saving their PTO time
@@sdeepjand saving their cash too.
There aren't sellouts because games are being played while people are at work/kids are in school. Given that more teams are in the playoffs, and that the games' starting times are designed to allow one game to not overlap into another, throw in the occasional rainy day--probably inevitable a game or two doesn't sell out.
It’s because they don’t have the best fans. Padres stadium is always packed. San Diego has the best fans
Tickets are too damn expensive!
Everything at MLB games are too expensive.
Actually I was surprised that the tickets for the Blue Jays Wild Card series against the Mariners on a weekend at the Rogers Centre on the re-sell market for the third game (when the Jays infamously had that 8-0 lead in game two) were actually selling for $20. I just think the playoffs are seen as not really starting until the divisional/league championship rounds lol
And yet, people will pay significantly more for an NFL game …
also most americans are too broke right now and a ton of people remain unemployed. america is an absolute mess economically.
@@adesignersperspective you can thank Donald Trump for destroying the economy in 2020!
TV coverage is so good that your best seat is in front of your TV
that's also true
Yeah but it’s not the same.
That’s not it. The extreme cost of going to the ballpark and the very early day games are why. Watching on TV isn’t even remotely the same.
I love attending sporting events, but when it comes to playoffs, I would rather watch the same exact game from the house instead of spending tons of money to be there personally.
Because it’s f’ing expensive.
Just looked at the MLB app for today’s O’s game. Cheapest ticket is $77.40. The ticket is $63.64 and $13.76 in FEES. For a ticket delivered to my phone. They have an order fee, a ticket fee and of course a Maryland admissions tax.
The pizza and beer are cheaper at home and I know when the toilet was last cleaned.
Use the urinal don't sit on the toilet and pee poop at home before you go to the game
Where were the seats at?
@@BrianThompson-dj8rh left field wall, near third base line. There were a bunch out there.
@@mikecumbo7531 not bad for a playoff game honestly
What do you mean there was seats for 20 dollars including fees
Huh, so putting an early afternoon mid-week playoff game when schools are in, won't draw. Who would have ever foreseen that? It's not the fans it's MLB and their TV partners.
hopefully i made that point
@@brodiebrazil Also NHL and NBA are only doing matinee playoff games on Saturday/Sunday/Holiday. Otherwise they are all evening games in their local time zone. NFL could do a wild card game in London or Tokyo and people would watch, as well as the game selling out.
And yet the Atlanta Braves were criticized in the early 2000s for being around 2000 shy of a sellout for an NLDS game that had been switched the day before from a night game to an early afternoon game all so the Yankees or Red Sox could get the primetime slot. This was a weekday when people were at work and school and in one in which people could not change plans on a dime. Turner Field also had over 50,000 seats, so their criticized game came in at about 48,000 fans. Yet the New York media and the New York based and controlled MLB commentators critized the Braves claiming Atlanta can't sell out a playoff game when it never was an issue before. The Braves were a top 5 attendance team for the decade prior, pretty much
Anything to hate on Atlanta for some reason.
@@willp.8120 I thought there was some drop off for Atlanta fans towards the end of their run for early round day games. But that was just the perspective from across the country.
@@johngibson8636 no
It was one game that only happened because of a change in schedule the night before. MLB media criticized Atlanta for it not being sold out and it took on a life of its own where people assumed Atlanta was a bad sports town and couldn't sell out playoff games.
Too expensive 20 dollar beers,and hotdogs parking 60$, ticket 200 ,gas ⛽ to get their tv better
And again there was probably about 35,000 in Baltimore for that game ? Don’t buy that there was 41,000 ! 🤷🏻♂️
My local baseball team for the last eight years is a AAA team, and I go to 20-25 games a year. This year in fact was the very first time I went to ONE day game, the final game of the season on Sunday. I exclusively go to night games because I work during the day, even on some weekends. I do make my own schedule and have some flexibility, but still I go to night games, because weekday day games are just not worth the hassle and schedule interruption. For anybody with a regular 9-5 job it’s just impossible.
MLB just has to accept that games will overlap with each other, as they do alllll season long. Most people are not watching multiple games a day anyway, they’re watching their team. Stop with the 10am weekday games already!
Brodie, I would also add to your point, NBA, and NHL would not have a daytime playoff game Monday through Friday.
exactly! or at odd hours
They actually did during the Covid Bubble games in 2020. Playoff hockeys games on a Tuesday afternoon in August
@204trebor Covid bubble playoffs are the exception, not the rule 😂 People couldn't attend those games live and most kids aren't in school
They also wouldn't have 4 playoff games in one day
@@Flamquill The NHL had their games at 2 rinks. The NBA used a bunch of courts at Disney Complex
I'll tell you why from this fans perspective. #1 crappy day time start times. People can't make a 4:08 pm start time easily the fact that they had as many people as they did was very impressive. #2 significant increase in ticket prices for these games (seats that are normally 23 bucks were going for 70 from the team web site, then to be resold yesterday on seat geek for 33.. #3 crappy weather in Baltimore. #4. tickets were sold without knowing what time the games would be at. In our specific case, we opted not to use out playoff ticket option because of the increased cost.
good points
Gonna push back on the cost piece .. people will gladly shell out significantly more for an NFL game. Cost is hardly whats keeping people home here.
@@theplaintiff5450
One game vs a series can be a factor here
@@brodiebrazil One more point: These are the wildcard games. Three years ago these games didn't exist and I'm sure there's a significant portion of the fanbase that don't consider them 'real' playoff games.
@@theplaintiff5450 For a fair comparison, MLB playoff is closer to NBA and NHL, not NFL, and cost is a serious factor for a series game. Also average capacity of basketball, hockey stadiums is 20k so I think it's impressive MLB could fill close to 40k on a random Tuesday afternoon. If they want full capacity they should either shrink back playoffs or make it night games like Monday Football with the same start.
By not defining start times until Sunday evening, people have jobs and can't rearrange their schedules in that short of time. My daughter, a season ticket holder, had to back out due to a work meeting she had to attend. She bought tickets!!
I would never watch a game from the 300 level. Not worth it at all to fight traffic for that and pay $. Rather watch on an 80” TV
that's going to be my halloween costume, an empty seat at Globe Life
Aren't you a bit too old to wear a Halloween costume? Lol😆
Most of us have jobs, family plans and most of all, a small bank account that doesn’t allow for the cost of attending one game, much less many. The cost of parking, tickets, concessions and other details is just far above the common man.
Afternoon games is another issue. Most of us have jobs we just can’t leave to see a game.
Brodie mentioned March Madness games. One often sees empty seats in those first/second round games. This is especially true when the NCAA gets the bright idea of sending three Alabama teams to... Spokane (WA), and the fan bases of those teams can't get flights there no matter how they try.
I am in the U.K.
It may interest you to know that the 1st October games were televised by the BBC on its free streaming platform.
The local time it started was 19:30. The BBC doesn’t do adverts. This meant that the breaks had MLB presenters helping Brits understand the rules. The Astros game and the Orioles game was on.
During what would be advert breaks, the coverage flipped between games. Melanie Newman did commentary on the Orioles.
There was also interventions by MLB Europe ambassador Chase Utley.
For us the early start in the USA was great because it meant an evening viewing here.
I would expect the MLB got some cash from the BBC.
So that's why we couldn't watch 😂😂😂 and you had Chase Utley, a dirty player, how fitting!
Chase Utley!!! ❤️❤️
@@PortersPortfolio
I have no idea whether showing games in the U.K. really influenced MLB. You would need to ask them.
Utley is the MLB Europe ambassador. He was brought over this year when the Phillies played the Mets in London.
You can dance around the issue all day if you want, but the reality is that baseball isn’t nearly as popular as it was 20-30 years ago. It’s sad but it’s true.
I remember growing up, so many kids wore MLB caps at school. Not even just Giants and A’s, but random teams from around the league. Now I can’t even remember the last time I saw someone wearing a Giants hat. The new generations simply don’t have the patience for a sport like baseball.
Yes, their probably wearing NFL hats, watching NFL games on network tv. NFL games are easy to find.
I'd rather watch fly fishing than mlb. At least in fly fishing I'll see something happening. Baseball is just too boring. Most of the time it's watching two guys play catch.......and I used to play and watch Baseball. It's lost its luster........
MLB popularity is up, actually
No offense, but you are relying on anecdotal evidence (personal experience) which is the weakest form of evidence that one can use to prove a point.
@@coryhillman6536 Anyone who was around 20-30 years ago can attest to this though. Baseball was way more culturally relevant in the 2000’s compared to now. The baseball caps thing is just one example, but you could compare objective figures like attendance between the eras, which would prove my anecdotal observations correct.
It is laughable how every year people freak out about MLB attendance in colder March/April then the WC round. There are photos from 60+ years ago when baseball was truly America's pastime where you see someone breaking a record and empty seats are present as well as some non WS playoff games. In the end the revenue is only going up and by the time the final 2 rounds of the playoffs happen you will have more excitement and fans in seats. Not to mention with these games the team already has sold near sellout numbers regardless of if there are empty seats from fans who can't make it or brokers who couldn't sell all their upper level seats.
It’s a workday , middle of the week. Game start time …that’s where the fans are
At work trying to make ends meet...
Another thing to consider is that MLB stadiums are a lot larger than NHL/NBA arenas. It's much easier to fill a 15,000-20,000 seat venue than it is a 50,000 seat venue. The "sold out" optics are partly influenced by relativity in this case. Of course, most fans aren't going to care about why a stadium isn't sold out. It just looks bad to them.
If anything, I see MLB doing a "4:30/8:00 EST window" setup for the wild card/divisional round with two games in each window and then adjusting the divisional round times as series end early. So if say KC beats Baltimore, plays the Yankees, and gets swept, that might mean one of the 4:30 games that was scheduled in another series moves to the 8:00 timeslot. Since most sports networks have multiple channels, they can still arrange coverage, and if that's still somehow an issue, we can have The MLB Playoffs on TH-cam, Brought to You by Hankook Tires.
Average MLB stadium capacity is 42K. Average MLB capacity is 21K. 81 home games plus playoffs, that’s insane.
@@DuffyGabi : good point. I forgot about the number of home games. That exacerbates the problem.
A couple of questions...
1) When were those pictures taken of the stands in each venue? Inning 1 or inning 7?
2) Day games?? Not everyone can take off work, even half day, at a drop of a hat.
3) NBA only does evening games. Baseball does weekday day games.
90% capacity is good for a 1pm game.
It’s good for a weekday game, but this is the playoffs not the dog days of summer
90% of 40K is better than 100% 20K
From a Houston fan living in SF with a few thoughts:
Astros ticket prices have gone up beyond a reasonable amount. A mid day start time just makes it that much more unrealistic
MLB greed and playoff expansion might be over-saturating the market. There’s just too many games and not enough time
I totally agree with your last point! Over saturation through expansion has diluted the product down to almost "Coor's beer level"!
The NFL is actually worse.
All due to greed!
I followed Baseball from 1973 to 2023. Im not paying for steaming anything or chasing games all over crappy cable! The greed has gone too far!
Braves used to have this problem in the 90's they didn't sell out their early playoff games because they made it every year , that could be the issue with Houston. Playoff tickets are expensive and then you have to take a day off from work on short notice because they don't announce the game times until a few days before the game is played.. Mets tickets are over $175 for the upper deck on a Tuesday and you don't know if it's going to be a day or night game, or even if the game will even be played.
I was looking a Mets tickets and I saw seats in the 500s for over $100. Gtfo here with that. Plus $40 parking and $10 hot dogs
I always enjoy the early round all day playoff games through the day as it’s a rare treat to get good baseball all day long. Being west coast would always get my now former A’s playoff games in the evening. Already moved on from my last coliseum game with my grandson last month and will still enjoy west coast prime time games with the Dodgers!
The two Florida teams do not draw well
The biggest issue for me would be the game times. For something last minute like playoff baseball, I would struggle to scamper out of work at 11am to watch postseason baseball. Weekday postseason games shouldn’t start earlier than maybe 3 or 4pm local time. They only need to overlap a little bit.
There’s also the argument that we don’t need these wild card series, but that’s another discussion altogether…
If they do expand to 32 teams, I'd like to see each league get four divisions NFL-style, and only the division champions advance.
I wonder what tickets cost these days. I gotta imagine they’re higher than ever!
well if you can get first pick on tickets, like upper deck I think are under 30. But the scalpers get them, despite all the hoops we have to jump through to get tickets and resell tickets are insane.
I think the value proposition of upper deck seats at $200+ each (plus travel, parking, etc) is hard for some to swallow. Versus staying home for a better view on the broadcast.
I mean, nobody knows where/when most of these WC games will be until the last minute, and maybe lots of people can’t get off work to go, or need more advance notice to organize the outing. The Astros constantly get the worst start times until the CS or WS also. As long as they have this thing about making half the teams get to the playoffs, they won’t be able to put all the games in a good time slot.
don't blame the fans - A's fan
yep, i tried to state that at the very beginning.... and my tweet... either make it really enticing to come, or have the game at a regular time
I had to listen to the Tigers-Astros game on satellite radio. I heard the attendance announcement and the announcer saying the park was sold out. When I finally got to see the highlights, I was really shocked at number of empty seats. Especially big swaths. I expect maybe one or two seats scattered around. Not every season ticket holder can make every game. But when entire rows aren't filled, something is wrong.
Oh and I have seen empty seats during the NHL playoffs. I remember Joe Lois Arena having seats available on a Sunday afternoon game back in the day. So it does happen. But nothing like what I saw yesterday. Fix this MLB!
Joe Louis arena? I've never heard of an American mention anything from Vachon. What's the point of paying for naming rights when your product isn't even sold in the States? Shit I don't even know if the rest of Canada even knows about them.
Way too expensive and a proportional amount of kids/parents don’t care about sports/baseball anymore…
Playoff start times are awesome for European viewers
You talked around the main point a lot- it’s ticket prices. Dodgers tickets were already grossly inflated this year whenever there was a Shohei giveaway, but your head would spin if you looked at the price of a PLAYOFF game at Dodger Stadium.
I’ll be honest, if NY, Boston or Philly had a playoff game at 1pm on a Tuesday, fans would just start tailgating at 7am. On the other hand, I doubt those teams would have 1pm playoff games during the week.
I think MLB playoffs’ biggest problem is that the World Series is during NFL (no Sunday WS games this season), NBA, NHL, college football & crappy October weather on the east coast (it tends to rain in October.) MLB needs to start the playoffs in September.
the number 1 reason for empty seats is not start time, ticket price, weekday afternoon. it's the sponsors buying 2,500-5000 tickets for the executives and vip's. half of them are not even baseball fans and don't show up.
People used to complain about postseason games being on at night. Now with a lot of playoff games during the day, the complaint is that people are at work/school and can’t get to the games. What time do you want the games?!
The problem with night games isn’t that they’re night games. All year most teams play their games at 7pm local. Now that it’s a playoff game and it must be viable for Sacramento, Eugene, and Spokane to watch games in their entirety after work the east coast teams start at 8 if there’s no competing west coast option. This was especially annoying pre-pitch clock, as playoff games had a notoriously slow tempo and would regularly see the clock strike midnight during the 8th inning. Now those games are usually over around 11, which is a bit more viable for the 9 am workers.
First and foremost, I'm gutted by the A's relocation. Secondly, I'm saddened at your loss of job. Thirdly, I whole-heartedly agree with everything that you've pointed out in this video. Lastly, you've been my voice of choice for A's news. Happy to comment and help your algorithm. Just subbed because I realize I hadn't before. :)
A’s should never have left Philly. How do you think my father felt. Oakland also stole the Warriors from Philly
@@volodymyrzablotsky5372the A’s left Philly for Kansas City (not Oakland). The Warriors left Philly for San Francisco (not Oakland). Google is easy and free.
@@volodymyrzablotsky5372the A’s left Philly for Kansas City (not Oakland). The Warriors left Philly for San Francisco (not Oakland). Those are the facts.
I think people just don’t care about baseball like they used too. My Red Sox are not in the playoffs by any means but even if they are I never hear any talk about them. They usually move on to football once the season starts. I used to hear people talk about baseball all the time as a kid and that was only 20 -30 years ago
That’s exactly what I’m saying. 20 years ago I’d see people wearing random baseball caps everywhere all the time. Never see that anywhere nowadays.
Red Sox fans don’t care like they used to…. Padres still pack the stadium every day. Padres have better fans. Check the attendance numbers. And Petco is a much nicer ballpark to go to.
@@dbrafferty100 Well, The Padres are winning and play in generally beautiful weather. If they were a 100+ loss team for 4 years straight I'm sure it would be a lot different.
20 years ago Boston was a baseball town, not anymore unfortunately.
Sounds like a Boston problem. At least the redsox were contending for most of the year… The patriots haven’t been good in 5 years and you’re telling me people still care about them over the Red Sox? Like another commenter said, the padres don’t have that issue, or dodgers, even my giants when we’re good and in the postseason or if the niners aren’t good and exciting, you won’t see people moving on to “nfl”.
Prices are way too much money and then you got to pay for parking And the outrageous prices of food a lot of people would just rather watch from home a lot cheaper...
Prices aren’t stopping NFL fans.
NFL games are WAY fewer and further between. I go to 20-25 baseball games a year and that is only a small fraction of the total games played, but more than the entire NFL season.
I hate the day games during the week. I don't get that much vacation, so I could maybe take a half day to go to one, but I'm not going to more than that.
The NFL, NBA, and NHL playoff games are all spread apart (in terms of gaps between game 1 and 2 or a week between the NFL games) and so there's a gravity to them that the back to back to back days of baseball doesn't have. The Red Zone idea for even regular season baseball is great. I remember former tv sports channel The Score in Canada used to have Diamond Surfing where they'd swing to different games happening at the same time. If we had that today, you could see every Aaron Judge and Ohtani at bat.
Also, it happens in other sports to an extent. I remember Sharks-Nashville western conference semis at the Tank in 2016, was the only Game 7 going so they moved it to 5pm PT. Lot of empties and cheap seats on the resale market for a game 7 because it was just impossible for most people to get to the Tank for a 5pmer with little notice
Can only speak for Baltimore, since I live here:
1. The weather has SUCKED the past week and its been raining/mysting
2. It is a Tuesday afternoon, I would love have taken my kid, he does not get done with school until 4p.
3. There is a clear dillution of the value of a playoff games with the expanded playoffs. For the cost, people are waiting until the DS or World Series to spend disposable $$'s. Spent a long time working for an NBA team, we had a really really hard time selling first round games one and two if we were not playing a Lebron/Kobe etc. They are glorfied regular season games to many fans!
4. The O's have been average since June 1st, apathy has set in with the market which is not helping
love the o's and fans and stadium, certainly not their fault, unfortunately they only help make the points
@@brodiebraziltoday is going to be even worse. Weather is still miserable plus it’s the first night of Rosh Hashanah. If they get through this round and play the Yankees they might have the largest revenue gates in Camden yards history.
Padres have better fans. They pack the stadium every night. Check the numbers
@@dbrafferty100congrats to the padres but we were only talking about the orioles
IMAGINE an nfl playoff game kicking off at 2pm in the middle of a work week….. WTF mlb
right!!!
I've been hearing people calling for daytime Postseason MLB for years.
@@KaisasDad Probably those greatly shrinking baby boomers and greatest generation mlb fans.
@KaisasDad No you haven’t. Absolutely nobody is calling for that.
Orioles tickets started at $95+fees, Originally. Was lowered to $50+ fees, that morning.
People who afford tickets are working in the afternoon.
People who aren’t working in the afternoon can’t afford tickets.
Totally agree with this video. When the Giants were winning World Series in the 2010s, I was baffled by the game scheduling. I recall when they played the Reds in the 2012 NLDS. All of the games in Cincinnati were played early on a weekday, preventing any Giants fans from watching the game unless they skipped out from work. The deciding game 5 was played in Cincinnati at 1 pm CDT! Won't TV ratings and attendance be maximized if the schedule is optimized for the teams in both markets?
Petco Park had 47,000 people last night (5,000 over capacity)
Go padres!
because it was a typical night game where people COULD attend. proves my point
This has been a problem for years because playoff tickets are always more expensive. The Super Bowl is a perfect example of inflated prices.
Let me get this straight. The last playoff game played at Oakland drew in excess of 50,000 fans for a first round game played at a bad time of day. The final game of the 2024 season played at Oakland drew in excess of 46,000 fans for a 90 loss team so the team is being moved.
As an Orioles fan, no offense taken. We all see it here in Baltimore too. Alot of factors driving attendance down in Baltimore, even with a playoff caliber team.
The other big thing for me is the rip what ticketmaster does to fans. These teams need to have their own direct sales platform to avoid paying these heavy fees. I know it turns me off!!!!!
Most tickets in Baltimore were three times the regular rate , the game was played on Tuesday Afternoon and the Orioles are still a long way from the pennant yet they still had 85% -90% capacity I do not think they care it was a bad look they still made a lot of money.
I would say changing demographics, the high costs of attending games, and decreasing attention spans are key reasons we’re seeing empty seats in playoff games.
I’m guessing teams don’t want to heavily discount tickets because it “devalues” them, but I hate that logic. It’s stupid.
A couple of years back, CitiField was not sold out for the Mets wild card games. I could not imagine a NY baseball team not selling out their playoff games. Until I saw the prices. Outrageous. I think most people looked at the prices and figured they have a certain $ amount to spend and would spend it on the next round if they advanced that far. I don't think baseball fans have fully embraced the Wild Card round as legitimate playoff round yet.
When then-Safeco Field in Seattle opened, the day games started at 3:30, and those drew big crowds. That could be a sweet spot for both TV and fans. A 3:30 start gives you enough time for a half-day of work, and barring extra innings you'll be out of the stadium by 7. A 3:30 start in the East means the rest of the country can tune in during lunch or coffee breaks, and a 3:30 West start means the gane should be over by 10 in the East, early enough for a reasonable bed time.
I feel both the early start times and the ticket prices are the problem. As you noted both the NBA and hockey tend to schedule their games at night when working people who can afford those high prices can come. Also it is easier to sell out an indoor stadium that seats around no more than 30,000 people than a major league stadium that seats usually around 40,000 or more people and the teams want high prices even for those top level outfield seats. So better late day or night games with lower prices for the less than desirable seats could lead to sell outs particularly for those first round playoff games.
It isn't the ticket prices as much as it is the inventory of games. Baseball has the most affordable ticket prices in all the pro sports but they have the largest amount of games. So for many fans they may watch the first 2 rounds on TV and if their team makes it to the Championship Series or World Series shell out more money for a more important game.
In the NHL, the only time I ever recall seeing or hearing about there being a lot of empty seats in a playoff series was in the early 1990s with the Harfford Whalers. A few years later, they moved to Carolina and renamed themselves the Hurricanes. The Hartford Whalers were in the then Adams Division with the Montreal Canadiens, Boston Bruins, Buffalo Sabers and Quebec Nordiques, right when the Nordiques were in a rebuild and were terrible. They'd lost the Statsney brothers to retirement and whatnot, and all they had left at the time was Joe Sakic, with over a 100 points and the next best player was an aging Michelle Goulet with less then 40 pts, and this was in the tale end of the 80s Gretzky era! So basically the Whalers were finishing in 4th spot and making the playoffs by default because one of the teams in their division was just so damn awful. In other words, at least one could sort of understand why their fans stopped showing up near the end. It was likely the writing was on the wall the team was not hanging around, and they were just making the playoffs to get swept aside by the then powerhouse Montreal Canadiens every year.
The economy sucks. Attending sporting events is a luxury. Putting food on table and paying rent takes precedence.
You can thank DONALD TRUMP for botching COVID-19 and resulting in a recession that will take years to get out of!!!
And yet, NFL stadiums are as packed as ever.
@@breadstick8456 different beast , NFL is way more popular than baseball , games matter most , fans got to see their teams 7 sometimes 8 times at as home team during the regular season , of course playoffs games are even bigger .
Too expensive seats
Too expensive parking
Too expensive food
Too much time spent traveling compared to a shorter game time. Dump the clock.
Wisconsin sports fan here. I personally am not that big into sports anymore to be honest. It's the same shit, different year. You're watching the same thing year after year expecting a different result. Wishing and hoping for your team to win it all is pure insanity and hoping for your team to win to only choke or get screwed gets old. I have better things to spend my time and money on like my kid, my house, my life, etc.
I grew up as and used to be a huge baseball fan. Over the course of decades, the sport and I have parted ways. I still watch highlights of my favorite team, when they win, but haven't sat down and watched or attended a nine inning game in five or six years. In my view, MLB has diluted its playoff product and spread itself too thin in the chase of the almighty dollar. I grew up in the 1970s watching the A's taking on whomever from the AL East (usually the Orioles) and the Yanks taking on the Royals for a spot in the World Series. Every single one of those games had a sort of electricity and immediacy coursing through it that's entirely missing from the current format. Personally, if baseball can't go back to that, then it should go back to just four playoff teams in each league. Ideally, all those games should either take place at night or in the late afternoon to make it easy for working people to attend or watch on television.
Excellent post! I agree 100% (I'm an old guy). It was easier to root and have favorite players when they all weren't multi-millionaires. I'm so old I remember when many players in the off season had JOBS!. People can't relate to a losing player when they know he just made a ton of money even in the loss. They aren't like us, worrying abut the things we worry about.
MLB is doing what the NFL is doing in a bigger way, diluting the game down for every nickle. Expansion is just one example. The NFL went from 14 games to 17 game seasons, expanded it's play-off format AND added Thusday Night, Sunday Night, and 2 games on Monday night...why? $$$$$$$.
In short money has ruined everything
@@kendallevans4079 The only way anything changes is if people refuse to watch the product on TV or attend games.
@@ulical Yes, but that won't happen. There will always be die hard's and credit cards! Put those 2 together and the leagues will find a way to tap that $$!
@@kendallevans4079 Maybe, but, as my dad always used to tell me, everything has an expiration date.
@@ulical That will be long after we're gone. People are lemmings and as long as they can find the money, they will support their team. They are simple minded people who fall for that "my team" lie.
When almost half of the teams are getting in the playoffs, it just feels like an extension of the regular season. We need to go back to the two leagues and four divisions era.
It's funny that there's a whole video on this topic, these games are being played in the late mornings/early afternoon in the middle of a work week. That's your answer. The playoff schedule dramatically improves once it reaches the division series.
Oh man a redzone type channel for mlb would be awesome
right?!? that idea just popped in my head during the video. would be perfect for wild card round
They have this in the regular season on MLB Network.
Disposable incomes have plummeted for the middle class in the past 2-3 years. Going to a pro sports event or a concert is a luxury for a lot of folks right now.
Also, for Tampa, there are a ton of people there who are retirees on fixed incomes so it's not surprising that they have attenance issues. Has anyone ever met a Rays fan outside of Florida? I don't recall ever meeting one, have for every other team.
Toooooooo expensive!!!!!!
Then why are NFL games still being sold out?
@@georgelucas2571And there was no way that there was 40,000 in Houston for that game, perhaps sold tickets but probably about 34,000 in the seats? 🤷🏻♂️
NFL is even more expensive, yet their fans always fill up their stadiums. Baseball fans just aren’t dedicated.
@georgelucas2571 Because the NFL is full of pansies and they play like two games a year. MLB teams play 162. If you want to go to a baseball game you’ve got lots of choices. Want to go see football? 1/7th as many options.
@@georgelucas2571 Those folks use a lot of credit. They will buy $5k seats then go bankrupt.
They’re having games when the majority of the audience would be at work. Most people only get so many days off a year and probably have used most by October. So let’s say you have a day or 2 left and your team makes the playoffs for the 1st time in a long time. You’ll probably want to use a day and go see a Wild Card game. If your team has been there before, maybe you figure you’ll wait and use that day on an LCS or World Series game.
I don't blame any of the fanbases for this. Going to games is expensive, and putting them during the day significantly limits your audience
BRODIE I agree with you in some area. This in no way looked like 40, 000 fans. I am a Houston Astros fan and go to many games during the season. I have seen more seats filled with 34,000 seats. It is just my opinion but Baseball on a weekday at 1:00 in the afternoon is wrong. A weekend game I can understand most people are off work. The problem is people have to work and just can't take off during work hours. The second is the price of playoff tickets are getting out of control. The prices almost double both from the team web site to secondary tickets companies web sites. In my opinion the league administration is to blame for this.
Brodie, you seriously put out so much great content. I’m shocked you don’t have way more subscribers. Best of luck to you and your channel.
The Indians and redsox sold out more than 500 games in a row, the problem is baseball is lame now and fewer people are not paying attention...
Honestly with the time of the year its at the baseball world should consider at least for the wildcard games starting them on Thursdays or Fridays and playing weekend series. At the end of the day baseball isnt the draw it once was. People arent as likely to go to take a Tuesday and Wednesday off just go see a game as they were 70 years ago. It wouldnt push the postseason that far either. If they're concerned about it going into November then push the season openers back or shorten the season by a series or two. Net win for all
agree... wild card weekend is interesting. but would go up against football in october. i think baseball knows they'll lose that battle
@@brodiebrazil It may. But most football is played on Sundays. So if you start on a Thursday its all wound up for Saturday at the latest, avoiding this precise issue. College football is mostly watched in areas where baseball isnt popular anyway
Oh and of course it should be mentioned. A single picture at a single moment of a game isnt very telling. I went to a blue Jays game with a near capacity crowd yet the top deck seemed empty. Turns out alot of those people went to the bars and other areas on the lower decks to watch.
Normal Parking at Tropicana Field $20.00 - PLAY-OFF GAMES $50.00 .. Bottled Water $8.00 .. BEER $18.00 .. This Isn’t a Jimmy Buffet Concert, it’s a 2hr Plus GAWD DAMN BASEBALL GAME - Why Pay Those STUPID PRICES When You Can Watch It at Home For $18.98 a {24} CASE OF BEER or a .25 Cent Walmart or Cosco Water ! !
Dodgers stadium doesn’t have that problem with their fans filling seats 🤷♂️
@@jdcaldwell5088 how many people in the greater LA area? How many Dodger tickets are owned by companies or higher income people?
Additionally, the Dodgers aren’t playing a day game in the first round.
I’ve been to Dodgers playoff games that start at 1 p.m during the week that didn’t sell out.
Dodger Stadium doesn’t fill up until about the 3rd or 4th inning
Did you see empty seats for the World Series Game 7 in 2017?
Just remember Oakland A’s playoff games in the afternoon had 35-40k fans for a day game.
Most of us can’t remember back that far
5 years. Hope you're proud of admitting being part of the terrible ADD generation.
@somerandomguy5977 Whooooosh, right over your head!
Stadiums are too big. Fans don't go to many mid week day games during the regular season. Just not accustomed to it like they used to be.
Fully agree with what you're saying here. The scheduling of these series was an absolute disgrace.
It’s all about TV ad revenue and a viewer cannot watch two ads at the same time on two different channels.
Petco Park in San Diego was at full capacity and loud asf.
I was at the wildcard game yesterday, and it was sold out within minutes. I was in the 2nd level behind home plate. Everyone was grateful to be there. The only problem is that it was the KBO playoffs in Seoul, and my ticket cost only $20. I think the public would respond, and fill these stadiums if MLB was as smart as the KBO with its pricing structure. Baseball needs to be experienced live to be fully appreciated ⚾. The other thing that helps is that the stadium areas are much safer in Korea than MLB.
This is the stubhub effect. When people buy the ticket for the explicit reason to resell secondhand this is what happens.
Baltimore fan here… very disappointed in our fan base but to explain a few reasons why Baltimore didn’t have a completely packed house:
1. It was a 4pm game on a week day
2. It rained all night and up to an hour prior to game.
3. Originally tickets showed as sold out on Orioles site and secondary market was crazy high. Those prices did crash hard by day before game with weather worries but it was too late with everything mentioned above.
Expanded playoffs are about extra TV revenue, not ticket revenue.
We're too busy trying to survive this horrible economy working multiple jobs. We're just trying to survive. No bandwidth left to go to a game
I live in Georgia, and haven't attended a single Braves game this year because of that. Tickets, food, gas/parking/hotel(since i live 3 hours away), Im looking at spending what amounts to half of my rent. I love the team, but it is something I cannot easily do unlike preCovid.
True words bruh. I used to have 2-jobs (might need to do it again). Everyday was Monday. AND I'm supposed to fork out $15 for a watery beer at the ballpark where I have the privilege to pay $35 for a seat that's not right next to the field? Nah, I'm so not cool with that. Piss off MLB
You can thank DONALD TRUMP for botching COVID-19 and resulting in a recession that will take years to get out of!!!
@@sunny1992s You can thank DONALD TRUMP for botching COVID-19 and resulting in a recession that will take years to get out of!!!
@@someguy7222 You can thank DONALD TRUMP for botching COVID-19 and resulting in a recession that will take years to get out of!!!
you cant schedule games in the early afternoon on weekdays and expect them to be sold out, sadly
Game 2 at San Diego Padres was pretty packed
Sticker Shock!!
The incredibly expensive tickets directly from MLB are my first thought followed by the unusual starting times.
You can't compare MLB to NBA or NHL as the arenas for those sports are much smaller. Just take the NHL. Hockey arenas range from 21,000 in Montreal to 15,000 in Winnipeg. Much easier to fill. Plus they are indoors. Don't have to be concerned with weather, whether it be the threat of rain, like they had in Baltimore or the blazing sun on a Tuesday afternoon.
Attended playoff games in Anaheim, San Diego, and LA throughout the years.
Won’t do it anymore. Too expensive for what I’m getting. No ROI. Especially paying over $25 to park! Forget it. I’ll sit it out.
And while I’m at it FJF.
Total overaction regarding the attendance. For a Tuesday afternoon, in the wild card round, those were solid crowds. NBA playoff games are never played on a Tuesday afternoon and they also play in arenas that have a much smaller capacity.
As a Braves fan who has seen too many early playoff losses in the past, I would never go to a series before the NLCS if we ever make it again. It's much harder for me to get into early rounds/short series in general, even if I lived in one of the wild card cities. Much more likely to watch on TV though, even for the early games.
Also.. NBA and NHL have much smaller arenas to fill and all the NFL playoff games are on the weekend.
This is why Braves fan base is not as high quality as padres fan base. Padres will pack the stadium every round.
@@dbrafferty100 how many playoff games have the padres played in during the last thirty years though? The first rounds just aren't as exciting or worth traveling to, especially to me as a Braves fan who lives outside of Atlanta.
@@cscotz 0 in front of empty seats
@@dbrafferty100 ehh... yes they have, just like the braves. both the padres and braves played home games in the 2020 playoffs when no fans were allowed in the stadium
@@cscotz lol, true but doesnt count
They need to stop ticket brokers from reselling tickets, and lower prices in this economy