History and Present of Mumbai’s East Indians | Interview with Dr. Fleur D’Souza | By Subuhi Jiwani

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  • In the 2010s, a rough survey of East Indians in Mumbai revealed that there were 2.5 lahks in the city, 80,000 in Vasai and 12,000 in Thane. Why, one might ask, would a Christian community living on India’s west coast call itself East Indian?
    The reasons are not known, says Mumbai-based historian Dr. Fleur D’Souza. The Bombay East Indian Association (BEIA) was formed in 1887 and that’s when Dr. D’Souza adds, that the community gave itself the name East Indian. The Association sought to uplift Bombay’s indigenous Roman Catholics and distinguish them from those migrating to the city from places like Goa and Mangalore.
    Dr. D’Souza also reminds us of a misconception related to the community’s adoption of its name. It is often assumed that East Indian was chosen to find favour with the British East India Company. However, by 1887 when the BEIA was formed, the Company was defunct; the British Crown and Parliament had taken over control of India in 1858. East Indians, who considered themselves Bombay’s ‘original inhabitants’, still hoped for preferential treatment from the British, Dr. D’Souza says.

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  • @waltermurzello5001
    @waltermurzello5001 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Thank you Dr.Fleur.. True champion of the Mobai East Indian Communities.
    We take vicarious pride in your achievements..

  • @karlousfernandes969
    @karlousfernandes969 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    East Indians are fun loving people. Enjoyed my time with people from Vakola and Kalina Village. They are gem of people and always welcoming.

  • @nd2402
    @nd2402 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Professor Fleur was my History professor.. so good to see you Mam ..

  • @geoffreymachado6932
    @geoffreymachado6932 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    To be better understood, in a highly cosmopolitan city like Mumbai, we 'EAST INDIANS' can be spoken of about as "THE 'MOBAI' MARATHI ROMAN CATHOLICS, THE 'GAOTHANKARS', THE ANCIENT NATIVES OF 'AAMCHI MUMBAI', THE GOOD OLD BOMBAY" the sons of the soil, the landlords of Mumbai and it's environs!!!

  • @farzanashaikh520
    @farzanashaikh520 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Dr. Fleur D'Souza is so very beautiful connects hearts lots of love to her ❤

  • @joanrodricks1705
    @joanrodricks1705 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Very Very informative.❤ Thank you Dr. FLEUR for enlightening us about our community

  • @aarem6466
    @aarem6466 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    My professor❤️ Wonderful to see Ma'am after decades

  • @user-cn7vc1ws9t
    @user-cn7vc1ws9t หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Many Thanks Ma'am D'Souza, Very informative. Impressive ❤🎉God bless u both.

  • @santoshramchandran5535
    @santoshramchandran5535 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Your show took me back of my father days when he had a good relations with this lovely community when he was a bachelor in late 50s, and then up-to-date we are in touch with their family, morever we had good friends too and not forgetting our school teachers, sports masters were all from this lovely community. Good old days.

  • @jamespereira1202
    @jamespereira1202 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    My B Ed classmate at St Xavier's 1978-79 batch. I have still the photo of this batch. Congrats Dr. Fleur.

  • @britneydharmai
    @britneydharmai หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Thank you for educating us! 🎉

  • @Doreen3010
    @Doreen3010 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Very interesting interview! Being an East Indian, was happy to hear so much history about our culture ❤❤❤

  • @climbeverest
    @climbeverest หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This is incredible

  • @lukesaldanha9060
    @lukesaldanha9060 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Excellent ! Excellent! I did not know the history! I went to Marve for 10 years

  • @christinapereira8894
    @christinapereira8894 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Very proud of the interview of Dr.Fleur with Subhui to talk about the east Indian community..

  • @fleuromeara4924
    @fleuromeara4924 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Very informative Dr. Fleur. My ancestors came from Portugal and settled in Goa marrying into the Indian community. Thanks to your talk, I now better understand my family
    background. I see that we share the same Christian name too !

    • @discomallu9769
      @discomallu9769 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂 congratulations, please get pokergee citizenship and return to your homeland.

  • @Shawn_Pereira
    @Shawn_Pereira หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Dr. Fleur D'Souza please make more videos on Vasai ( bassein) history as the locals are very unaware of their history and maratha invasion.

  • @1armenia8
    @1armenia8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    In migration is causing problems in Goa similar to what happened to Bombay and the East Indians. Very informative interview. Thanks.

  • @AnandaVasishta
    @AnandaVasishta 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thanks for the very informative interview. During my service in Bombay during the 1970s I had the privilege of working with an East Indian gentleman. He was so helpful and decent in all his actions, I still think of him.

  • @christopherrodrigues8787
    @christopherrodrigues8787 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A very informative interview. Thank you,

  • @user-sk2wi2mz7z
    @user-sk2wi2mz7z หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Amazing information.... Errol... Vasai

  • @pravinmachado7835
    @pravinmachado7835 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The white cloth to cover the head and flowing down till the back of the knees of ladies is the ...Veil....Vasai Vadvals call it the " Vàl".

  • @martinhofernandes2601
    @martinhofernandes2601 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Listening to this interview was great,You both were fantastic .God bless you both.

  • @bennodsouza2487
    @bennodsouza2487 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Superb introduction & Brief on the East Indian Community spread over various parts of Mumbai & Thane...Nice to hear Dr.Fleur Dsouza share snippets of her background & family....thee Culture....identity...

  • @alani3992
    @alani3992 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Another cuisine influence is the introduction of Portuguese-bread (pao).
    leading to all these 'pav' dishes that the region is known for.

    • @leonine01
      @leonine01 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The "pao" was introduced by the Goan community, in their so-called hostels in the Dhobi-talao precinct.

    • @ushabhende4040
      @ushabhende4040 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@leonine01, kood, not hostels.

  • @zeenagoes7680
    @zeenagoes7680 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thks DR Fleur for yr information

  • @RamMohammadJosephKaur
    @RamMohammadJosephKaur หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Fleur Mam ❤. My ex professor at Xaviers 😊

  • @davidulahanna1762
    @davidulahanna1762 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Such a beautiful community.

  • @sanalopes8441
    @sanalopes8441 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks a lot Dr Fleur. Myself an East Indian from Vasai and have been always very intrigued by our history. More content would be appreciated. You may also feel free to reach out for any help researching in Vasai.

  • @ivelcolaco3090
    @ivelcolaco3090 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hello, Good Day ! fantastic work by Ms. Subuhi Jiwani, the flow of questions were really gripping and insightful and so were the inflow of informative answers. It was nice to know that Dr. Fluer's paternal side heritage comes from Bassein, which also happens to be my hometown. It was really sad to hear about the demise of Mr. Darryl D'monte...RIP...his grandfather was the former President of The Bombay East Indian Association and my grandfather - Mr. Michael Colaco was the secretary. It would be nice of Dr. Fluer and Ms. Subuhi to get to the Samvedi Brahmin Catholic roots....All the best !

  • @shomarodrigues6828
    @shomarodrigues6828 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It was a good interview and so happy to learn about my city Thane, where her parents lived and she grew up. I had a lot if friends from those areas which she mentioned . Maybe a few of my school teachers were from this area.

  • @donnareen3012
    @donnareen3012 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a wonderful interview. Dr. Fleur D'Souza is knowledgeable, eloquent and so well groomed. Fabulous!

  • @freemanrodrigues
    @freemanrodrigues หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    one can still the women's wearing the rose pink navari saree ( lugda) in Vasai. There are only very few left.

  • @user-cn7vc1ws9t
    @user-cn7vc1ws9t หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank You Ma'am for sharing your Knowledge.🎉

  • @zeenagoes7680
    @zeenagoes7680 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Oh proud to be an east Indian I belong to the Santos family from Sahar can proudly mention that the East Indian book way back of the year 1857 has a write up of my uncle Mr Alex Santos who is the first graduate of the suburbs There is a pic if him in the book

  • @50967A
    @50967A หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The stoll Dr D'Souza has round her neck is a typical print of a east indian saree (lugda), u still find east indians from vasai wearing it.

  • @shanifernandes8909
    @shanifernandes8909 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very very interesting Interview, nice to listen
    love : Sibila Rodrigues Benaulim Goa

  • @edwarddmello9351
    @edwarddmello9351 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent history Cristian an East Indian community God bless you both mam

  • @DilipMore-tl7hm
    @DilipMore-tl7hm 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Informative. The real Maharashtrians.

  • @sangeetaangelakumar
    @sangeetaangelakumar หลายเดือนก่อน

    My history teacher in college!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ my favourite as well!! Gosh I love her! What a wonderful video and she looks the same even after 25 years

  • @devottabeno3569
    @devottabeno3569 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I treasure this program. How can I get to have the books authored by Dr Fluer.

  • @darrylpereira473
    @darrylpereira473 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    The East Indian community origins from Balutedaar socio systems of Maharastra. So we are purely Maharashtrian with Marathi language.We adopted the English language and culture from the Anglo community.

    • @dwightdabreo7478
      @dwightdabreo7478 หลายเดือนก่อน

      From the British,not the Anglo community.

    • @jiti5034
      @jiti5034 หลายเดือนก่อน

      but this interview talks about Portuguese influence not British!

    • @discomallu9769
      @discomallu9769 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jiti5034 Mumbai was occupied by portugandu and was gifted to the British in dowry. The British didn't waste time converting them into Anglican or COE believers so they have retained the pokergee influence

  • @jiti5034
    @jiti5034 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Please make a video on Marathi speaking Jews from Konkan region ( Pen / Alibag ) they are also known as "Bene Israeli " AND they are one of most assimilated community withe majority Hindu community , many migrated to Israel but still proud of the Maharashtra / Indian heritage

  • @SALIMKHAN-rg5ph
    @SALIMKHAN-rg5ph หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    BEST 1

  • @darrylpereira473
    @darrylpereira473 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How we were called East Indian?
    In 1886,the British crown received two applications from India,one was from calcutta and the other from Bombay.Both were two different communities but asking to be officially recognised as East Indian community.The Anglo indian community in calcutta and local indiginious community from Bombay.
    Queen Victoria,decreed in favour of the Bombay application and the local community of native of Bombay were officially gazetted to be called the East Indian community.
    .
    Thats how all Balutedar sharing cultural and linguistic uniformity, the sutar, the kunbi,the nhavi the bhandari the lohar...etc were formed and recognised as the East Indian community!

  • @lillymia150
    @lillymia150 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice and interesting. Thank you for this video

  • @arvindvaz6816
    @arvindvaz6816 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1) Do East Indians have Goan linkage and or Origin?
    2) Were East Indians Konkanis as Manglorians?
    3) How can Anglo Indians, East Indians with Goans be distinguished?
    4) Why are East Indians not Anglicans but Catholics?
    5) Why was it not called West Indians?
    6) Are East Indians Bartolomeo/Nathanial Christians?
    7) Did the Portuguese subpress the East Indians from speaking Konkani as was the case with Goa or its history is burried?

  • @juliusdmello6199
    @juliusdmello6199 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Could it be the community wanted the "east India company" Name to be preserved as they were emotionally attached and hence chose to call themselves "east indians" - the very year the east India Company was defunked.

  • @zeenagoes7680
    @zeenagoes7680 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Santos fly still resides at Sahar village and belong to Our Lady Of Health Sahar

  • @climbeverest
    @climbeverest หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This is a Bombay that is gone, not one remnant remains.

  • @rajnikantpatel9462
    @rajnikantpatel9462 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Please define east indian. In west Indies people of Indian origin are called east indian. Are the people who worked for East India co. called east indian? 😢

  • @gama1639
    @gama1639 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Builder mafia destroyed my Goa

    • @mentalretard2359
      @mentalretard2359 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why did you allow them to destroy?

  • @12villages
    @12villages 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    East Indians got swamped by migrant coastal christian communities from goa and karnataka. These are its final decades. Sad to say.

  • @moinsyed4475
    @moinsyed4475 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    To be very polite,, How many names did Bombay, 14:52 now Mumbai have?

    • @doreenfernandes2431
      @doreenfernandes2431 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In lndia, it's a trend to change names of places 😊

    • @jiti5034
      @jiti5034 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@doreenfernandes2431 No it is original name is Mumbai Britishers bastardized it as Bombay , Similar Thane was changed to Thana , Pune changed to PUNA, Vandre Changed to BANDRA, Shiv changed to SION ,

  • @krishnaswami346
    @krishnaswami346 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would like to understand the surnames which have a Portuguese connect. Dsouza, dasilva, Rodriguez etc etc. were the indigenes, maharashtrians or GSBs of goa converted by Portuguese to Christianity and hence the surname? Most speak Marathi or konkani and hence the question.

  • @MP-iw4bw
    @MP-iw4bw หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How does Dr. Fleur distinguishes between Anglo Indians and her own community? Do they look down upon Anglos?

    • @darrylpereira473
      @darrylpereira473 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The East Indians have never looked down upon Anglo infact looked up to,right from East India company to calling themself East Indians which apparently anglo community identified being east to the UK. East Indians adopted much of English culture and language from Anglo community.

    • @ushabhende4040
      @ushabhende4040 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@darrylpereira473Anglo lndians have one European parent almost always a Brit. They could be catholics or protestants and spoke English at home. They did not consider themselves lndian and referred to England as home. They were white colored largely employed by the army or railways.
      East lndian are local Hindus converted to Roman Catholicism. Racially they were 100% lndians, spoke marathi, derived livelihood from the soil and water. Women wore saree known as lugda and in the past men wore half dhoti.

    • @jiti5034
      @jiti5034 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ushabhende4040 so originally Hindu

  • @kimlockrubber769
    @kimlockrubber769 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fact remains that there is no EAST on the west coast of भारत. It a feeble effort to conceal their original identity. It's NO SECRET that the हिंदू from आगरी,कोळी & भंडारी communities which were converted to the Christianity were labelled "" East Indians'"" to conceal their low social hierarchy. The Christian missionaries have condemned the caste system in the सनातन धर्म persued the same practice

  • @lailasiddiqui263
    @lailasiddiqui263 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    where can we read the thesis on line ? thank You

  • @felixdsouza8981
    @felixdsouza8981 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent.I wonder where the book is available

  • @FrancisFernandes-mv3xu
    @FrancisFernandes-mv3xu หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Look at the channel Jio.. 😂😂😂whatever is left of the original inhabitant of Mumbai.. gujjus will that off as well..

  • @user-cn7vc1ws9t
    @user-cn7vc1ws9t หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    🎉❤

  • @freemanrodrigues
    @freemanrodrigues หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Displaced & Dispossessed !!

  • @viveknair891
    @viveknair891 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not Maratha Invasion, Maratha Liberation (Swarjya) of coast. The choice of the word to describe the liberation movement indicates loyalties.

  • @rahulgatlevar3591
    @rahulgatlevar3591 หลายเดือนก่อน

    East Indians are converted by dropping bread into their well.most of them are Brahmins. In hv visited some houses in vasai .their old wooden houses still have hindu inscriptions carved on doors.some of them proudly tell we were hindu Brahmins.

  • @Kalki3999
    @Kalki3999 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the meaning of “East Indians”? Never heard of this in my 76 years before.

  • @gregoryantony7491
    @gregoryantony7491 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pls visit kotachi wadi Girgaum charni road, goregaon east behind st Thomas church nr railway station, mahim west, bandra west, versova all or east Indians Catholics are staying and many have left the places

  • @bonniedzouza1970
    @bonniedzouza1970 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kaka Baptista has a bust erected in Uttan. He was originally from Uttan.

  • @professorengineermuhammads5556
    @professorengineermuhammads5556 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am from Larkana Sindh Pakistan, from the seat of Ancient civilization of the Indus valley!
    Mombai was actually Mom Bai, the name of a Sindhi woman of Malaahs from Kolachi clan and was married there from Karachi. for before the both place got shape of cities. The both MomBai and present Karachi were small Fishermen villages on the banks of ocean, those days called as Sindu Sagar (ocean).
    Her younger sister Gul Bai, popularly known as Mai Kolachi, is burried here along with her seven brothers on Maripur Road on the bank of Lyari river in Karachi, the port city of Pakistan.
    Larkana Sindh Pakistan
    July 19, 2024.

  • @jiti5034
    @jiti5034 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Vandre NOT BANDRA , Shiv not SION.... brown sahib syndrome!

  • @user-pj3jh2pk1n
    @user-pj3jh2pk1n 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How can u say they are the original inhabitants.

  • @moinsyed4475
    @moinsyed4475 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Michael Perera, billard world champion should have mentioned

  • @dwightdabreo7478
    @dwightdabreo7478 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    we lost are fields under the T P S scheme in Bandra Mumbai.

  • @ShaileshKumar-io2zn
    @ShaileshKumar-io2zn หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The more you call us east Indians 😂

  • @jiti5034
    @jiti5034 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So are East Indians mixed race or converts?

  • @jiti5034
    @jiti5034 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are East Indians Catholic or Protestants?

  • @samk6051
    @samk6051 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    East Indian...I thought it was people of North East...😂😂

  • @moinsyed4475
    @moinsyed4475 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Too many flaws

  • @discomallu9769
    @discomallu9769 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Long story short, a colonial power occupied some parts of India. Some of the occupied heathen convert to the true religion of the colonial power. The neo converts then find ways to separate themselves from the heathen.
    This difference in life style becomes their culture & we spend 30 mins listening to something that could have been wound up in 5. 😂