Your dad's conclusion is everything - "I didn't reach this position because I decided to put my family over my faith. I reached this position because my faith was imperfect and it needed to be better." WOW. Excellent discussion - thank you for sharing it.
@@TSammut0219 I’m glad you’re not the one who determines anyone else’s salvation. Might want to take that log out of your eye before you think about touching the speck in ours.
1. He admits that his faith was "imperfect and needed to be better" 2. Decided to study deeper to better understand what he had previously assumed 3. Didn't study the best arguments from both sides 4. With "imperfect" faith, he did a one-sided biased homosexual-affirming "deep study" of the passages. 5. Changed his mind to the only view that his study was slanted towards 6. TADA! "I invested so much time and energy and effort and money into my relationship with my kids, including this boy here, who I love dearly. I don't want to wreck that by saying 'Matthew, I'm not going to affirm you and the best thing I can do for you is steer you away from this.' I could see that that would be potentially the end of our relationship"... He DID put his family over his faith. He said himself and then denied it on the other side of his mouth, later... Before the "study" began, he had already made up his mind, as he created the dichotomy of family or faith.
“These six passages are not a definitive statement of what God thinks about a committed, loving same sex relationship”. That’s a good take-home message from the presentation. Those who posted critical comments evidently did not hear that. Thank you.
This is such an excellent talk and such a helpful tool to help our families see this important topic in a new light without compromising our commitment to sound hermeneutics. Thank you Michael and Monte!
I also want to add that Paul uses the term para phusis later in Romans to say it was unnatural for God to accept gentiles into the Jewish faith (but he did it anyway). So even if something is para phusis (contrary to nature), that can’t mean it’s immoral because God is perfect and he did things that are unnatural as well.
@@alcabins2722 Romans 11:24 “After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!” The gentiles are referred to as “wild branches” that God grafted into a “cultivated olive tree” and it says God did this contrary to nature. If uses the same original greek terminology.
1 Corinthians 11:14 also says “Does not the very NATURE of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him”, but if you remember the story of Sampson and Delilah, God told Sampson to never cut his hair. So even if something is considered unnatural, that can’t mean it’s inherently wrong because God did many things that went against nature and asked people to do things that were considered unnatural at the time.
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
This is a GREAT example of when Jesus said you must hate your mother brother daughter son, or you cannot be my disciple. Making your child an idol over the word of GOD.
Love Matthew Vines. He has done so much good. Glad his dad was open to exploring and learning/growing and especially that he is loving. There's just one point I'd like to make: "LGBT," "LGBTQ," and "LGBTQIA" are not synonyms for gay! LGB is sexuality. T is body issues. It is not a sexuality. T people can be homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual so, to refer to homosexuals, we should say "Homosexual," "Lesbian," or "Gay." To refer to transgender people, we should say 'Transgender." This way, we are accurate and avoid confusion about exactly who we are talking about.
Not quite. Homosexual should not be the term to refer to 'Lesbian' or 'Gay'. 'Homo' means same or man, so the term though technically could refer to Lesbians (same) is more commonly used about men who are same sex attracted and the term 'Lesbian' for women who are same-sex attracted. Gay people often include men who dress in women's clothing (drag) or who are either deliberately or by their own nature 'camp' and express themselves in a flamboyant exaggerated manner. Whereas Homosexuals are men who are simply attracted to other men. That's why I'm glad the letter H is nowhere to be found in that weird LGBTQIA disparate grouping.
The word of God is the true light and if it's not light enough no human thoughts and feelings can be illuminating enough. That's the purpose for a lot of self gratification and no mention of "and we took it to God in prayer and the Holy Spirit led us to so and so". The Holy Spirit is the one that makes all the difference in the Christian's life and ability to live in righteousness and be acceptable to God. On what basis are they judging some quotations as being negative? By what means? This isn't what we need as Christian advice or admonishing. Yes we love everyone and support them in whichever way the word and the Spirit tells us and yet we do not accept sin and whatever the Bible is against.
Until forgiveness of sin is sought my heart truly breaks for those who believe they can brush scripture aside and the brutal death of Jesus on the cross just so a sinful lifestyle can be justified.....to twist, manipulate, add to or subtract from scripture for the sole purpose of embracing sin is disturbing and the wrath to follow should make any and all tremble...vids like this show evidence of not fearing God therefore no true salvation even occurred or sanctification....sad to see the church or so called mainstream church embrace and codify sin as if God never took it seriously. I wonder why only four chapters out of 66 books in the Bible don't discuss sin or it's destruction or its peanlity due?? You think God took all sin as blasphem against Him? The wages of sin is death, mere humans trying to convince God His word is outdated or misquoted or wrong to coddle sin have severe judgement coming...this isn't a woke ignorant child like love is love debate it's about sin and no human will enter the kingdom a sinner or heretic...if you believe standing on judgement day justifying your sinful life to Christ will work good luck...I've read scripture I see what happens to the unregenerate soul....
Very strange for you to write all of those condemnations instead of answering any argument or concern about our modern interpretations. The biggest problem is that anyone saying “maybe we’ve gotten this wrong so let’s just take a close look for the purpose of knowing truth” is (as you put it) “brushed aside” and dismissed as someone who just wants to sin. What did Jesus say about putting unnecessary burdens on people? Maybe you’re not infallible, and neither is your church, and so it could be possible we’ve gotten this wrong- especially because all historical accounts confirm his claims about the types of practices being referred to in biblical times being fundamentally different than what we call “gay” or “homosexual” today. Take care
@@mikefamm5712 Do you have any proof to show that men having sexual relations with men in 1500 BCE is any different than it is today? Is there any proof, biblical or otherwise that reconciles what I just mentioned to the design put forth in Genesis and re-affirmed in the gospels? Is there any proof that an omniscient God did not know how to convey His message so that ALL of creation throughout time would not understand? Remember, He laid it out in Genesis and then destroyed the people at the time of Noah as they were doing evil continually. Remember that Jesus said that the end will be as it was in the days of Noah when the judgement comes. There were only 8 people that got out of that alive.
Thanks to the both of you . We need the reformtion project to move move forward. The church has a history of revaluting alot of different subjects in the past !
@@jim2498 I think you are refering to 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 where Paul warns that those who persist in sin will not inherit the kingdom of God. In his list of wrongdoers, he includes two Greek words that connect to some forms of same-sex behavior. Furthermore the word homosexual first showed up in the bible the year of 1949.. so is it possible that we should consider to revisit this passage on the basis of the great harm that is being done to lgbtq christians because of it?
@@Warhol-jb9zx you do know that there are 36 other verses saying it is wrong to be a homosexual. And God said homosexual will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
@@Warhol-jb9zx how about man shall not sleep with man? And by the way men of the Judaism religion will not even sleep in the same bed with a nother man.
@@Warhol-jb9zx even you think that is correct try explaining these ones. And I will have more if you want. Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1st Corinthians 6: 9,10 These two are very misguided.
Excellent example of father & son love being displayed the way God wanted when he said How wonderful it is when brothers Love each other ✝️🏳️🌈✝️🌈✝️⭐️✝️🇺🇸👍💙💙♥️
When it comes to God and scripture you approach it in one or two ways. You are either over scripture or under scripture. Which one you choose will greatly influence your understanding.
Scripture was not written to us, it was written for us. Read that again. Scripture allows us to experience the character and promises of God. Fear of god which you would say is being under scripture should bring us closer to his character of love and mercy. In my experience, non-affirming practices do not do so
You don't need to clash inside. Sin is what people do...we are carnal and that means we lie, cheat, steal, kill, abuse, traffic, dishonor and reject. In order to be saved we must repent, that is to turn from our sin, accept Jesus' payment for OUR sins, and pick up our burden/cross and follow Him. He loved you enough to lay down His life for you. Now we must die to our flesh/selves in order to have everlasting life.
@stevepaige7557 I agree. Imo, you don't need to clash inside if you take the Biblical verses on same sex sex as they stand. I think it takes huge mental acrobatics and gymnastics to make the Bible say that sex with the same sex is not sinful. I don't believe it fits with honest and sincere hermeneutics.
@@elizabethryan2217The issue is the old testament also claims a bunch of other stuff is sinful who noone cares about today and the new testament stuff that could be argued to be about homosexuality is more ambiguous. I really do believe people with an innate disgust of homosexuality weaponize the bible to justify their beliefs.
Actually that's not what it said. It was talking about idolaters. More specifically it was saying that idolaters who were straight to begin with became homosexual or behaved that way. Never said anything about and gay people who worshiped the Lord without idolatry.
This was great! I enjoyed both perspectives but especially that of the father. I thank God for this content. It's what I've been searching for. Thank you.
Matthew Really pleased you have such affirming parents. Actually though,the belief that the clobber passages have always condemnation all homosexuality,is relatively recent. The Medieval Clementine Vulgate bible translated "temple prostitutes" and Martin Luther's reformation bible translated the Corinthians reference as "child abusers".
@@keithrogers4170 the clobber passages aren't about homosexuality. They're about self-obsession. You're supposed to be in a relationship with God. When Adam chose the knowledge of Good and Evil. He chose to be in a relationship with himself.
@@ddrse I agree that the clobber passages arent about homosexuality- sexual orientation was an unknown concept back then.They mainly deal with idolatry-temple prostitution and also selfish,abusive relationships like pederasty.
I am a straight Christian and read Scripture and its meaning for understanding thru my Holy Spirit as child even. The Truth is simple and loving, God loves all the people he Created and wants them to have the Holy Spirit of Salvation thru the works Jesus did on the Cross, to be with him and he with them. Period. The Scripture has never and nor has Jesus ever mentioned Homosexuality. God is speaking to people going against their NATURAL SEXUAL DESIRES. The natural desires they were created with. Yes, it is WRONG for a straight person to become lustful and be sexual with their same sex. Just as it is Sinful for a Gay person to be sexual with a straight person of the opposite sex, or to marry and steal from their lives the natural sexual Love that could not be given. We must be true to ourselves and God, only then can we all have the PEACE that goes beyond understanding. The "Church" has cursed Homosexuality for hundreds of years, because it has refused to use Gods Love to show them the TRUTH.
You can't compare lenght of hair to the act of doing sex contrary to what GOD mandated.The bible is clear.At the end of the day,we have a destination: heaven or lake of fire.I admire the stance of Christopher Yuan and Becket Cook.Don't adjust JESUS to conform to what you want in life.Lett us carry our cross and follow JESUS!
We’re claiming that you’ve projected a prejudice onto the text that isn’t there, and by reading with an open mind you’ll see that. For example, Matthew isn’t the one who compared hair length and “same-sex acts”, Paul did. Paul used the exact same phrasing for both of those things- they’re against “nature”. Stoicism was the philosophy of the people he was talking to, who attempted to live “in accordance with nature”. As Christians, we’re called to subdue nature not to worship it. Paul said that it’s “shameful” to have long hair, but we choose not to believe that. You tell me why? Ceremonial vs moral laws aren’t a distinction in the Bible- all laws were morally mandated. If you disagree, show me any part of the text that makes that distinction. When you accept that you could be wrong, and re-read the text from an open perspective for the purpose of knowing the truth, people can come to different conclusions. You make a lot of claims but don’t support them- you seem to assume that you must be right. It seems more like you’ve assumed that same-sex couples (relationships which are fundamentally opposed to the specific same-sex ACTS and practices described in the text) must be immoral, and then went to the text looking for any possible confirmation of that.
ok monte stop @ 29:35 just before here, you mentioned THE LAW and old testament times. the law well, the BELOVED- those regenerated, born again, made new creations, being sanctified,walk by faith etc.etc. know the law of GOD is written on their heart and are having their lives come into HOLINESS of this law this work on the heart and soul we know not by might nor by power. my 1.5 cents from here the center of canada, it is off the way if we decide not to let every word of GOD do it's work in the spirit. in place, get lazy and go the easy way the natural way. MERCI FRANCEE
While I respect Matthew and the work of the Reformation Project, I feel that the focus on the Bible is myopic and does not get at the emperical sociological reasons that intelligent conservatives oppose gay marriage. For instance Catholic lawyer Helen Alvare who opposed Obergefell did so almost entirely through legal appeal to children's rights, noting that for there to be true "marriage equality," gay and straight couples must be equally capable of producing offspring, and to produce offspring, gay couples must by definition involve a third party that will be biologically relaed to the child but not involved in his or her life, and this is parental malpractice, to intentionally bring a child into existence that will be severed from a biological parent. This makes sense, and I have never heard any LGBT organization, conservative or liberal, make a meaningful rebuttal to this. As someone open to a same-sex marriage for myself, I would like answers to more than Bible thumpers. Perhaps that is work for another organization.
I'm just a random theology student, but here's my take. A family doesnt require children, although children are encouraged. A family is borne of a need for companionship in one whom you love. True marriage equality stops there. Now if we get into parenting... that's a different story. In a moral world, everyone would care for their own children. In a fallen world, children are cast aside. Gay couples, then, pick up and care for those children. At least, that would be the argument. They can care for children as well as a straight couple. They only find the opportunity when the child is cast away.
Kind of falls apart when you take into consideration there are hundreds of thousands of people who know they have incurable infertility issues, but still get married. If children are required (which, we’re leaving the Christian realm. The New Testament makes it very clear that procreation is no longer mandated.) than people whom know they cannot have kids should be barred from marriage- especially if one of the partners could have children with someone else.
Because Eve was a great companion for Adam. I guess I missed the part where God commanded Adam to want Eve, rather than that being something he already wanted and God gave him the dignity of choosing. God said “it’s not good that the man be alone, I shall make him a ‘suitable’ helper” and then creates all of the ANIMALS. God brings Adam around to name all of the animals and after he’s done, the text says “a suitable helper for Adam was not found” - explicitly stating that God (who already knew where he’d end up) allowed Adam to choose from the animals if he wanted, but with God by his side they did not find a suitable helper. Then God creates Eve. ADAM says “bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh” and CHOOSES her. God made him an entire person and did not command him to do anything- marriage is a response to an inherent desire within people. It’s not who the people are, it’s how they treat each other. Remember, adam and Eve deliberately disobey God BEFORE the fall, so it’s not as if everything they chose was before the fall was definitely going to be good. I find it curious that after the animals, the very next logical step would be to make another Adam, not a completely new type of person. However, that is never considered nor is it condemned. Adam would want Eve and God knew it, but still let him have the dignity of choosing.
Your Father placed Child over GOD..... Can there be a Balance? Yes most certainly. I told my Child I loved them, however I chose GODS WORDS to live by ultimately. My Child respected my Belief. We live seperate lives, but very loving together. My child Respects me. I Love & do not ever need to join into their lifestyle... In fact my Child finds being with me refreshing and peaceful. My child loves to come home & sleep 😴 💤. Parents who want to accept Child over GOD has lost that Child to Sin forever. This Father doesn't want to loose his Child... Fear, changed him. Fear is a negative force of manipulation. My Children and I have a very strong relationship.. We've reasoned Biblically (and sometimes still do) that GODS WAYS are Higher than our ways... Righteousness is the only pure fear.. I Fear GOD, My Children Respects & Honour my Fear of The LORD and never Challenge, but try to understand it. Little by little they approach me about it & where Society & The Church are intermingling. I remain Strong & they tell me how they appreciate my unmovable Faith. My Children are Unmovably Loved By Me & They Feel IT... But so is my Trust & Faith in GOD.... I seek to be like JOB.. (ENOCH, ELIJAH, DANIEL, JOHN THE BASPTIS, ETC.... Were Perfect & I feel was in the True Spirit of JESUS The CHRIST...) Studying these Mens lifestyles make me know, anyone living for SELF will be bound in Hell Fire 🔥. The UNRIGHTEOUS: Homosexual person, Liars, Thieves, etc 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 -12 + WILL NOT MAKE IT INTO TGE KINGDOM OF GOD ALMIGHTY (Y-H-W ) Any other False Interpretation or False Context HEATS UP TGE FIRE!! 🔥 🤔 STUDYING GODS WORDS & RECIEVING HIS FRESH REVERLATION FOR YOURSELF IS CRUCIAL IN THESE END TIMES🙏🏼 🙌🏽 THE BOOK OF JUDE IS A WARNING ⚠️ OF MANIPULATION & FALSEHOOD.... ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ DON'T BE DECEIVED !! ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️
These two are decived willingly. Even when speaking the scripture they twist it after. I paid attention and its clear they say the Bible isnt right. Their interpretation is wrong and self serving.
@@mikefamm5712 You do understand that we were made male and female and that is the ONLY union talked about by the one who created us, right? Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. Romans 1:24-30, 32
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
Stick to the Scripture and stay on that point...and you will not get answered by Matthew Vine. He is on sandy soil and CANNOT use Scripture to bolster his argument.
Enough said, all this talk, is talking into the air. The Holy Scripture says....... And that's that, end of discussion..... Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. Romans 1:24-30, 32
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (K J V) 9 KNOW YOU NOT THAT THE 'UNRIGHTEOUS' SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? BE NOT DECEIVED: NEITHER FORNICATION, NOR IDOLATERS, NOR ADULTERERS, NOR EFFEMINATE, NOR ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND, 10 NOR THIEVES, NOR COVETOUS, NOR DRUNKARDS, NOR REVELERS, NOR EXTORTIONERS, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (Read full chapter) Revelation 21:8 (KJ V) 8 BUT THE FEARFUL, AND UNBELIEVING, AND THE ABOMINABLE, AND MURDERERS, AND WHOREMONGERS, AND SORCERERS, AND IDOLATERS, AND ALL LIARS, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH. Read full chapter Revelation 21:8 in all English translations
Remember Lot's wife. -Jesus. This is an abomination. Repent, God is able to deliver you! 1 Corinthians 6 No homosexual shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. ...and such WERE some of you. But ye are washed.
Your dad's conclusion is everything - "I didn't reach this position because I decided to put my family over my faith. I reached this position because my faith was imperfect and it needed to be better." WOW. Excellent discussion - thank you for sharing it.
And he would be dead wrong and a heretic, who changed the truth of the Bible to fit his own agendas. You people are sick
@@TSammut0219 I’m glad you’re not the one who determines anyone else’s salvation. Might want to take that log out of your eye before you think about touching the speck in ours.
@@aksch83066 what log? I don’t commit homosexuality therefore I have no log to take out.
So overthrowing thousands of years of teaching from the Israelites and the church makes your faith better.
Got it.
1. He admits that his faith was "imperfect and needed to be better"
2. Decided to study deeper to better understand what he had previously assumed
3. Didn't study the best arguments from both sides
4. With "imperfect" faith, he did a one-sided biased homosexual-affirming "deep study" of the passages.
5. Changed his mind to the only view that his study was slanted towards
6. TADA!
"I invested so much time and energy and effort and money into my relationship with my kids, including this boy here, who I love dearly. I don't want to wreck that by saying 'Matthew, I'm not going to affirm you and the best thing I can do for you is steer you away from this.' I could see that that would be potentially the end of our relationship"... He DID put his family over his faith. He said himself and then denied it on the other side of his mouth, later... Before the "study" began, he had already made up his mind, as he created the dichotomy of family or faith.
“These six passages are not a definitive statement of what God thinks about a committed, loving same sex relationship”.
That’s a good take-home message from the presentation. Those who posted critical comments evidently did not hear that.
Thank you.
This is such an excellent talk and such a helpful tool to help our families see this important topic in a new light without compromising our commitment to sound hermeneutics. Thank you Michael and Monte!
I also want to add that Paul uses the term para phusis later in Romans to say it was unnatural for God to accept gentiles into the Jewish faith (but he did it anyway). So even if something is para phusis (contrary to nature), that can’t mean it’s immoral because God is perfect and he did things that are unnatural as well.
wow. good thought.
You have the reference?
@@alcabins2722 Romans 11:24 “After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!”
The gentiles are referred to as “wild branches” that God grafted into a “cultivated olive tree” and it says God did this contrary to nature. If uses the same original greek terminology.
1 Corinthians 11:14 also says “Does not the very NATURE of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him”, but if you remember the story of Sampson and Delilah, God told Sampson to never cut his hair. So even if something is considered unnatural, that can’t mean it’s inherently wrong because God did many things that went against nature and asked people to do things that were considered unnatural at the time.
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
This is a GREAT example of when Jesus said you must hate your mother brother daughter son, or you cannot be my disciple. Making your child an idol over the word of GOD.
Love Matthew Vines. He has done so much good. Glad his dad was open to exploring and learning/growing and especially that he is loving. There's just one point I'd like to make: "LGBT," "LGBTQ," and "LGBTQIA" are not synonyms for gay! LGB is sexuality. T is body issues. It is not a sexuality. T people can be homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual so, to refer to homosexuals, we should say "Homosexual," "Lesbian," or "Gay." To refer to transgender people, we should say 'Transgender." This way, we are accurate and avoid confusion about exactly who we are talking about.
Not quite. Homosexual should not be the term to refer to 'Lesbian' or 'Gay'. 'Homo' means same or man, so the term though technically could refer to Lesbians (same) is more commonly used about men who are same sex attracted and the term 'Lesbian' for women who are same-sex attracted. Gay people often include men who dress in women's clothing (drag) or who are either deliberately or by their own nature 'camp' and express themselves in a flamboyant exaggerated manner. Whereas Homosexuals are men who are simply attracted to other men. That's why I'm glad the letter H is nowhere to be found in that weird LGBTQIA disparate grouping.
The word of God is the true light and if it's not light enough no human thoughts and feelings can be illuminating enough. That's the purpose for a lot of self gratification and no mention of "and we took it to God in prayer and the Holy Spirit led us to so and so". The Holy Spirit is the one that makes all the difference in the Christian's life and ability to live in righteousness and be acceptable to God. On what basis are they judging some quotations as being negative? By what means? This isn't what we need as Christian advice or admonishing. Yes we love everyone and support them in whichever way the word and the Spirit tells us and yet we do not accept sin and whatever the Bible is against.
Until forgiveness of sin is sought my heart truly breaks for those who believe they can brush scripture aside and the brutal death of Jesus on the cross just so a sinful lifestyle can be justified.....to twist, manipulate, add to or subtract from scripture for the sole purpose of embracing sin is disturbing and the wrath to follow should make any and all tremble...vids like this show evidence of not fearing God therefore no true salvation even occurred or sanctification....sad to see the church or so called mainstream church embrace and codify sin as if God never took it seriously. I wonder why only four chapters out of 66 books in the Bible don't discuss sin or it's destruction or its peanlity due?? You think God took all sin as blasphem against Him? The wages of sin is death, mere humans trying to convince God His word is outdated or misquoted or wrong to coddle sin have severe judgement coming...this isn't a woke ignorant child like love is love debate it's about sin and no human will enter the kingdom a sinner or heretic...if you believe standing on judgement day justifying your sinful life to Christ will work good luck...I've read scripture I see what happens to the unregenerate soul....
The sons and daughters of disobedience
Very strange for you to write all of those condemnations instead of answering any argument or concern about our modern interpretations. The biggest problem is that anyone saying “maybe we’ve gotten this wrong so let’s just take a close look for the purpose of knowing truth” is (as you put it) “brushed aside” and dismissed as someone who just wants to sin. What did Jesus say about putting unnecessary burdens on people? Maybe you’re not infallible, and neither is your church, and so it could be possible we’ve gotten this wrong- especially because all historical accounts confirm his claims about the types of practices being referred to in biblical times being fundamentally different than what we call “gay” or “homosexual” today. Take care
@@mikefamm5712 Do you have any proof to show that men having sexual relations with men in 1500 BCE is any different than it is today? Is there any proof, biblical or otherwise that reconciles what I just mentioned to the design put forth in Genesis and re-affirmed in the gospels? Is there any proof that an omniscient God did not know how to convey His message so that ALL of creation throughout time would not understand? Remember, He laid it out in Genesis and then destroyed the people at the time of Noah as they were doing evil continually. Remember that Jesus said that the end will be as it was in the days of Noah when the judgement comes. There were only 8 people that got out of that alive.
@@mikefamm5712dudeeee i love this reply. awesome wording
I really appreciated the father's honesty.
Hair, washing of hands and other cultural issues aren't on same pedestal with Divine moral demands of God
Thanks to the both of you . We need the reformtion project to move move forward. The church has a history of revaluting alot of different subjects in the past !
Question for you. Has God changed his mind about homosexuals? Last I knew he said they will not get into the heaven.
@@jim2498 I think you are refering to 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 where Paul warns that those who persist in sin will not inherit the kingdom of God. In his list of wrongdoers, he includes two Greek words that connect to some forms of same-sex behavior.
Furthermore the word homosexual first showed up in the bible the year of 1949.. so is it possible that we should consider to revisit this passage on the basis of the great harm that is being done to lgbtq christians because of it?
@@Warhol-jb9zx you do know that there are 36 other verses saying it is wrong to be a homosexual. And God said homosexual will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
@@Warhol-jb9zx how about man shall not sleep with man? And by the way men of the Judaism religion will not even sleep in the same bed with a nother man.
@@Warhol-jb9zx even you think that is correct try explaining these ones. And I will have more if you want. Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
It's easy to agree with what Matthew is saying especially if you've never read the Tanakh (Old Testament).
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
1st Corinthians 6: 9,10
These two are very misguided.
Actually you're interpretation is misguided. And by interpretation I mean translation.
Excellent example of father & son love being displayed the way God wanted when he said How wonderful it is when brothers Love each other ✝️🏳️🌈✝️🌈✝️⭐️✝️🇺🇸👍💙💙♥️
If truly loved his he would tell him he is going to hell if he doesn't change his sinful ways.
@@jim2498 you should worry about yourself going to Hell God judge not less you be judged. Better repent & ask for forgiveness before you 🔥🔥🔥🔥✝️✡️🕎burn
Children often incarnate to challenge their parent's resistance to the expansion of divine consciousness and awareness.
The Holy Spirit can do it. Don’t limit His saving power.
This movement is SO important. THANK YOU for spreading this🙏🏿
James 3:1
Thank you so much for sharing this!
When it comes to God and scripture you approach it in one or two ways. You are either over scripture or under scripture. Which one you choose will greatly influence your understanding.
Scripture was not written to us, it was written for us. Read that again. Scripture allows us to experience the character and promises of God. Fear of god which you would say is being under scripture should bring us closer to his character of love and mercy. In my experience, non-affirming practices do not do so
Thanks for the example and your response
what about the text that says men who have sex with men don't inhered heaven?
im really clashing inside
You don't need to clash inside. Sin is what people do...we are carnal and that means we lie, cheat, steal, kill, abuse, traffic, dishonor and reject.
In order to be saved we must repent, that is to turn from our sin, accept Jesus' payment for OUR sins, and pick up our burden/cross and follow Him. He loved you enough to lay down His life for you. Now we must die to our flesh/selves in order to have everlasting life.
@stevepaige7557 I agree.
Imo, you don't need to clash inside if you take the Biblical verses on same sex sex as they stand.
I think it takes huge mental acrobatics and gymnastics to make the Bible say that sex with the same sex is not sinful. I don't believe it fits with honest and sincere hermeneutics.
@@elizabethryan2217The issue is the old testament also claims a bunch of other stuff is sinful who noone cares about today and the new testament stuff that could be argued to be about homosexuality is more ambiguous. I really do believe people with an innate disgust of homosexuality weaponize the bible to justify their beliefs.
Actually that's not what it said. It was talking about idolaters. More specifically it was saying that idolaters who were straight to begin with became homosexual or behaved that way. Never said anything about and gay people who worshiped the Lord without idolatry.
This was great! I enjoyed both perspectives but especially that of the father. I thank God for this content. It's what I've been searching for. Thank you.
Matthew
Really pleased you have such affirming parents.
Actually though,the belief that the clobber passages have always condemnation all homosexuality,is relatively recent.
The Medieval Clementine Vulgate bible translated "temple prostitutes" and Martin Luther's reformation bible translated the Corinthians reference as "child abusers".
Why don't you consider a spiritual interpretation? That is what's missing from Matthews work
@@ddrse spiritual how?
@@ddrse I dont understand what you mean..I would say Matthew and his father were guided by the holy spirit
@@keithrogers4170 the clobber passages aren't about homosexuality. They're about self-obsession. You're supposed to be in a relationship with God. When Adam chose the knowledge of Good and Evil. He chose to be in a relationship with himself.
@@ddrse I agree that the clobber passages arent about homosexuality- sexual orientation was an unknown concept back then.They mainly deal with idolatry-temple prostitution and also selfish,abusive relationships like pederasty.
This was so uplifting to me!
Love this! Just found you Matthew and so grateful 💞🙏👣
The world needs more of this. ❤️🌈🙏❤️🌈🙏❤️🙏
Thank you so much for sharing
That was a good video.
As a former homosexual who lived an lgbtq lifestyle God has Grace for the gay community the person is not an abomination the sexual act is
I am a straight Christian and read Scripture and its meaning for understanding thru my Holy Spirit as child even. The Truth is simple and loving, God loves all the people he Created and wants them to have the Holy Spirit of Salvation thru the works Jesus did on the Cross, to be with him and he with them. Period. The Scripture has never and nor has Jesus ever mentioned Homosexuality. God is speaking to people going against their NATURAL SEXUAL DESIRES. The natural desires they were created with. Yes, it is WRONG for a straight person to become lustful and be sexual with their same sex. Just as it is Sinful for a Gay person to be sexual with a straight person of the opposite sex, or to marry and steal from their lives the natural sexual Love that could not be given. We must be true to ourselves and God, only then can we all have the PEACE that goes beyond understanding. The "Church" has cursed Homosexuality for hundreds of years, because it has refused to use Gods Love to show them the TRUTH.
Thank you both very much for sharing this.. Matthew, you are very blessed to have such a wonderful father and family.
Proverbs27:6faithful are the wounds of a friend,but an enemy multiply kisses are deceitful.
You can't compare lenght of hair to the act of doing sex contrary to what GOD mandated.The bible is clear.At the end of the day,we have a destination: heaven or lake of fire.I admire the stance of Christopher Yuan and Becket Cook.Don't adjust JESUS to conform to what you want in life.Lett us carry our cross and follow JESUS!
We’re claiming that you’ve projected a prejudice onto the text that isn’t there, and by reading with an open mind you’ll see that. For example, Matthew isn’t the one who compared hair length and “same-sex acts”, Paul did. Paul used the exact same phrasing for both of those things- they’re against “nature”. Stoicism was the philosophy of the people he was talking to, who attempted to live “in accordance with nature”. As Christians, we’re called to subdue nature not to worship it. Paul said that it’s “shameful” to have long hair, but we choose not to believe that. You tell me why? Ceremonial vs moral laws aren’t a distinction in the Bible- all laws were morally mandated. If you disagree, show me any part of the text that makes that distinction. When you accept that you could be wrong, and re-read the text from an open perspective for the purpose of knowing the truth, people can come to different conclusions. You make a lot of claims but don’t support them- you seem to assume that you must be right. It seems more like you’ve assumed that same-sex couples (relationships which are fundamentally opposed to the specific same-sex ACTS and practices described in the text) must be immoral, and then went to the text looking for any possible confirmation of that.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10
ok monte stop @ 29:35 just before here, you mentioned THE LAW and old testament times. the law well, the BELOVED- those regenerated, born again, made new creations,
being sanctified,walk by faith etc.etc. know the law of GOD is written on their heart and are having their lives come into HOLINESS of this law this work on the heart and soul we know not by might nor by power. my 1.5 cents from here the center of canada, it is off the way if we decide not to let every word of GOD do it's work in the spirit. in place, get lazy and go the easy way the natural way. MERCI FRANCEE
So being gay is not a sin ?
Being gay is like being a thief or a murderer. One must repent and rely on God through Jesus. Go and sin no more.
While I respect Matthew and the work of the Reformation Project, I feel that the focus on the Bible is myopic and does not get at the emperical sociological reasons that intelligent conservatives oppose gay marriage. For instance Catholic lawyer Helen Alvare who opposed Obergefell did so almost entirely through legal appeal to children's rights, noting that for there to be true "marriage equality," gay and straight couples must be equally capable of producing offspring, and to produce offspring, gay couples must by definition involve a third party that will be biologically relaed to the child but not involved in his or her life, and this is parental malpractice, to intentionally bring a child into existence that will be severed from a biological parent. This makes sense, and I have never heard any LGBT organization, conservative or liberal, make a meaningful rebuttal to this. As someone open to a same-sex marriage for myself, I would like answers to more than Bible thumpers. Perhaps that is work for another organization.
I'm just a random theology student, but here's my take. A family doesnt require children, although children are encouraged. A family is borne of a need for companionship in one whom you love. True marriage equality stops there. Now if we get into parenting... that's a different story. In a moral world, everyone would care for their own children. In a fallen world, children are cast aside. Gay couples, then, pick up and care for those children. At least, that would be the argument. They can care for children as well as a straight couple. They only find the opportunity when the child is cast away.
Kind of falls apart when you take into consideration there are hundreds of thousands of people who know they have incurable infertility issues, but still get married. If children are required (which, we’re leaving the Christian realm. The New Testament makes it very clear that procreation is no longer mandated.) than people whom know they cannot have kids should be barred from marriage- especially if one of the partners could have children with someone else.
Why God then created Eve ? As long as same sex relationship does not go beyond Philia (not Eros), then thats ok
Because Eve was a great companion for Adam. I guess I missed the part where God commanded Adam to want Eve, rather than that being something he already wanted and God gave him the dignity of choosing. God said “it’s not good that the man be alone, I shall make him a ‘suitable’ helper” and then creates all of the ANIMALS. God brings Adam around to name all of the animals and after he’s done, the text says “a suitable helper for Adam was not found” - explicitly stating that God (who already knew where he’d end up) allowed Adam to choose from the animals if he wanted, but with God by his side they did not find a suitable helper. Then God creates Eve. ADAM says “bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh” and CHOOSES her. God made him an entire person and did not command him to do anything- marriage is a response to an inherent desire within people. It’s not who the people are, it’s how they treat each other. Remember, adam and Eve deliberately disobey God BEFORE the fall, so it’s not as if everything they chose was before the fall was definitely going to be good. I find it curious that after the animals, the very next logical step would be to make another Adam, not a completely new type of person. However, that is never considered nor is it condemned. Adam would want Eve and God knew it, but still let him have the dignity of choosing.
Will and can u awnser my questions please
Your Father placed Child over GOD..... Can there be a Balance? Yes most certainly.
I told my Child I loved them, however I chose GODS WORDS to live by ultimately. My Child respected my Belief. We live seperate lives, but very loving together. My child Respects me. I Love & do not ever need to join into their lifestyle... In fact my Child finds being with me refreshing and peaceful. My child loves to come home & sleep 😴 💤.
Parents who want to accept Child over GOD has lost that Child to Sin forever. This Father doesn't want to loose his Child... Fear, changed him. Fear is a negative force of manipulation.
My Children and I have a very strong relationship.. We've reasoned Biblically (and sometimes still do) that GODS WAYS are Higher than our ways... Righteousness is the only pure fear.. I Fear GOD, My Children Respects & Honour my Fear of The LORD and never Challenge, but try to understand it. Little by little they approach me about it & where Society & The Church are intermingling. I remain Strong & they tell me how they appreciate my unmovable Faith.
My Children are Unmovably Loved By Me & They Feel IT... But so is my Trust & Faith in GOD.... I seek to be like JOB.. (ENOCH, ELIJAH, DANIEL, JOHN THE BASPTIS, ETC.... Were Perfect & I feel was in the True Spirit of JESUS The CHRIST...) Studying these Mens lifestyles make me know, anyone living for SELF will be bound in Hell Fire 🔥.
The UNRIGHTEOUS: Homosexual person, Liars, Thieves, etc 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 -12 + WILL NOT MAKE IT INTO TGE KINGDOM OF GOD ALMIGHTY (Y-H-W )
Any other False Interpretation or False Context HEATS UP TGE FIRE!! 🔥 🤔
STUDYING GODS WORDS & RECIEVING HIS FRESH REVERLATION FOR YOURSELF IS CRUCIAL IN THESE END TIMES🙏🏼 🙌🏽
THE BOOK OF JUDE IS A WARNING ⚠️ OF MANIPULATION & FALSEHOOD....
⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️ DON'T BE DECEIVED !! ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️
proud of u Matthew, with love from Afghanistan
Shame on you
@@soniat4895 why do you say that?
@@soniat4895 shame on you for being full of hate
funny that the word used there in hebrew is adamah meaning mankind as a whole not just the men of sodom.
Adamah means dirt/soil. Adam (humans) is made from that dirt and will return to it.
These two are decived willingly. Even when speaking the scripture they twist it after. I paid attention and its clear they say the Bible isnt right. Their interpretation is wrong and self serving.
Can you be more specific? Maybe some examples of them doing those things?
@@mikefamm5712 You do understand that we were made male and female and that is the ONLY union talked about by the one who created us, right?
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Romans 1:24-30, 32
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 ~ If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Jude 1:7 ~ Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
He says, while enjoying his shrimp abomina... cocktail
Tell me how you can HONESTLY SAY GOD MADE MORE THAN 2 GENDERS ? ITS A FAR STRETCH FROM WHATS IN GODS WORD
Stick to the Scripture and stay on that point...and you will not get answered by Matthew Vine. He is on sandy soil and CANNOT use Scripture to bolster his argument.
thank goodness i can lay with my fathers wife, since im not under the leviticus law anymore. yay
Enough said, all this talk, is talking into the air. The Holy Scripture says.......
And that's that, end of discussion.....
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Romans 1:24-30, 32
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (K J V)
9 KNOW YOU NOT THAT THE 'UNRIGHTEOUS' SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD? BE NOT DECEIVED: NEITHER FORNICATION, NOR IDOLATERS, NOR ADULTERERS, NOR EFFEMINATE, NOR ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND,
10 NOR THIEVES, NOR COVETOUS, NOR DRUNKARDS, NOR REVELERS, NOR EXTORTIONERS, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
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Revelation 21:8 (KJ V)
8 BUT THE FEARFUL, AND UNBELIEVING, AND THE ABOMINABLE, AND MURDERERS, AND WHOREMONGERS, AND SORCERERS, AND IDOLATERS, AND ALL LIARS, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH.
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Revelation 21:8 in all English translations
Hmmmmm
How this grieves the Lord. Shameful!
I'm guessing if anything he probably groeves more at your arrogance. But I really don't know. I'm not going to presume to know His mind.
Remember Lot's wife. -Jesus.
This is an abomination. Repent, God is able to deliver you! 1 Corinthians 6 No homosexual shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. ...and such WERE some of you. But ye are washed.