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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2024
- Are 4k UHD Blu Rays over? I'm excited to talk about the potential future in physical media. I've never been more excited at the potential for 4:4:4 Chroma Sub Sampling ha!
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What’s your DREAM “Next-Gen” physical media format?
I want
* Lossless video - no posterization
* 8K 3D-or maybe 4K 3D is enough for a 130" 2.35:1 screen.
* Scratch proof-I would like circular discs inside a square housing like old floppy discs. Disc tray can of course also fit and read regular discs
* 100+ year lifespan
* No region locking in the design making it impossible
I can probably continue to fantasize, but I will stop here for now 🙂
OH! Scratch proof is a great idea.
@@WRNFILM I am thinking those floppy shells will cost extra so they can be optional, but every standard 8K blu-ray case should have space for it. Even collectors might feel safe to lend to a friend 🙂
I get the feeling if there is a next gen it would be a very premium 💵💵. So they better include the protectors haha
They tried that minidiscs but it didn’t really catch on
@@BrooksSeanRobinson minidiscs were worse than cds, because their music was compressed.
There’s a few ways to look at it at this day it would probably fail, mainly because the technology and TVs isn’t there yet. Maybe in like 10 years from now when they have 16 K TVs or something it would be wise to released it. Also you have to keep in mind that The majority of people are very uneducated in Image and sound quality, they prefer to stream a completely inferior version without owning it, over purchasing a higher quality experience. A lot of people that I know are shocked when they see a standard 1080p Blu-ray put the shame anything they can stream. The streaming services have convinced people that paying for the same product every month is the way to go. They have lied to everyone saying streaming is the same quality as a native Disc. The sad thing is most people believe that without looking into it.
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Screw it. Let's just go for it.
It's wishful thinking to hope that one day we'll have 1 disc with the theatrical verison, 3-d version, imax version, extended version, etc....
They want to sell you every version individually. They can spread out and maximize their profits by selling them separately at full price rather than bundling them together on 1 disc. This is why I think the new LOTR 4k doesn't include special features. They're gonna re-release it in a few years and everyone will buy it again.
This is an exercise in wishful thinking haha. But there are absolutely box sets that include multiple versions (LOTR, Apocalypse Now, etc) so it’s not outside the realm of possibility. (In this made up scenario)
Many commenters have pointed out all the commercial and technical issues of 8k discs, but I haven't seen anyone address your points about uncompressed DCPs. I am but a humble, budget consumer who has only experienced 4k discs on a mediocre 4k TV, but even with the best setups in the world I cannot imagine that these uncompressed formats will create a perceptibly better image, much less a better experience.
When it comes to home media, the next leap forward that I am most excited for is the accessibility of larger TVs (80 inches and beyond). This, more than bit depth or millions of pixels, is what will really make the difference for us enthusiasts and the general public. I am also looking forward to a future where everyone's screen can achieve true HDR so we won't have to worry about false marketing or watching a movie "incorrectly".
Totally agree that the larger and HDR accurate TVs will do absolutely WAY more to move markets. But as TV get larger & larger with typical viewing distances staying the same, there may come a time when have an uncompressed DCP could increase quality (If only marginal).
even if our discs our 8k, it's gonna be quite a while before filming movies in 8k becomes common.
increase the quality not the quantity -- as some 4k uhd movies are garbage, what good is it if the quality of the transfer looks worse than bluray?
8K Bluray needs to happen.
First, yes 8K resolution looks that much better on a normal TV at normal viewing distance:
"To that end, YungKyung Park, associate professor of the College of Art & Design at Ewha Womens University in Seoul, presented the results of a study in which 120 observers said they saw visible improvements in 8K images and videos over their 4K counterparts on separate 65-inch TVs positioned side by side. The observers viewed the TVs at a distance of 9 feet in dark rooms that simulated nighttime viewing conditions.
For all images and videos, 8K performance was rated 35% higher overall. Perceived image quality increased 30% over 4K, and depth perception increased 60%, according to the study."
Financially, physical media is the best strategy movie studios have to combat piracy, when you can sell a disk with image quality that puts any downloaded image to shame you give people tangible motivation to buy movies through official channels.
It’s not that I’m anti 8K in all situations. It’s that I would much rather have Mezzanine delivery codec. Especially when every movie shot digitally will have to be upscale to hit 8K delivery.
Now with Oppenheimer and other films shot on 65MM, I’d love an 8K version.
@@WRNFILM As long as 4K is the global home theater standard then of course any new physical media format today would need to target 4K, but that's just a short term compromise when 8K is obviously the most impactful way to leverage higher data capacity.
It's such a drag when all the equipment to shoot every movie in 8K is readily available but studios are so slow to adopt just because movie producers feel nostalgic for a blurry image.
@@WRNFILM At this point I'm nearly convinced that the next big step in home cinema is going to be AI remasters.
I've already dabbled in using Topaz on anime, and while I don't think it's quite good enough for live action movies yet that day is fast approaching.
Though even after Topaz gets good enough for individuals to "want" to do an AI remaster at home, the average consumer is never going to put up with anything like this, and even for myself if the studios were doing AI remasters then buying a professionally done AI remaster will be both higher quality and way more convenient than occupying my gaming PC with a week of rendering every time I want to watch a different movie.
@@budthecyborg4575 it might be a more worthy investment for them to use larger discs as a means to have films in 12-bit color with 4:4:4 sampling
@@WRNFILM oppenheimer i think is shot in imaxe's 70mm film format, not 65mm
if it meant looking identical to the cinemas i say hell yeah
Physical media PLUS ITS HARDWARE to archive/burn restore/play is a must-have, considering the ammounts of data we're getting/creating on a daily basis and hdds can't keep up, big size hdds take a long time to archive and the idea of having '10+ platters of glass with a metal alloy' in a case makes it as brittle as that movie, that needs to be rereleased in 8k (Unbreakable)
Avg movies in cinemas [2k] are 300gb in DCP indd.
Just want to store the ammount of data. So I don't need 1000s of discs, piles of hdds, but one little wallet of a few discs that 'holds them all' and I can retrieve from that for at LEAST 25 years before something new comes up and we can start the whole process all over again.
20 some years ago we had DVD; find a DVD burner in a system nowadays, or BluRay burner even. Heck an BDXL burner even is harder to find for INTERNAL usage; not all WANT a USB version and, how long will that connector-standard be a standard?
Vinyls/Shellacs of 100+ years old I can still play .. try restoring a DC2120 on new gear..
Let us transfer all to a medium that we can trust and will STAY. Please. Even with the SD Extreme coming, I prefer something that does NOT rot away while shelved in a cubbord.
archival quality is KEY!
I'm new to 4k physical media, and I am not going back to streaming for anything I love to rewatch. Streaming compression is awful; only faces are clear. Colors are flat... and the soundtrack... might as well turn off the surround and hook up some 1993 altec lansing PC speakers from dell. I have also noticed that in streaming the Bass audio is much too loud with the compression most studios are using. Boomy bass vs walking bass lines. Big difference
uncompressed audio/video, there's studios that have been rescanning there stuff in 8k+ for years, when there's a format for it -- they will release it
I think the uncompressed version is want. And if it has native 8K resolution I’m definitely interested, I just don’t want upscaled films for the sake of 8K.
Most people can't tell the difference between 4k and 8k. Hell, most people can't tell their TV has motion smoothing on. 4k will be the limit for mainstream adoption. You can see that even 4k is struggling to become the new standard. When it comes to 200TB discs and their potential adoption, I think people just prefer having separate discs. It's nice to have a full film on 1 disc, as opposed to stretched across 2, but would I really want all 3 hobbit movies, all 3 LOTR movies, all the Extended Versions, and all the special features on 1 disc? Personally, I would not. Even if it's possible, it's just neater presentation to have "chapters" for such a release and to split it up somewhat. I don't necessarily want a hard drive on a disc.
Totally agree. I think 8K is completely unnecessary. I hear you on the separate discs for each film, but I think there could be consumers who want the option to have everything on one disk.
as someone who had a projector for years... 8k will be needed when TVs start to get up to the 120" - 150" range, eventually TVs will be so thin it will be like putting up wall paper or a poster. With that flexibility ppl will be more likely to go giant size. When you start making giant displays is when you'll want more resolution.
I just can't see it. They would have to sell completely new players and I don't even think there are any movies available at 8K currently. Pretty much all the studio masters are 2K or 4K; and I think there are a few digitally captured ones at 6K. Anything beyond 4K will never be a home video format. Studios are not going to put out the uncompressed studio master on a disc for people because then they can never make money off of that movie again. Not only that, but the discs are probably very expensive and no one is going to rebuy all their movies yet again.
I hear ya! There are MASSIVE hurdles for any next gen disc.
This disk relies under 1000s of layers, which means it cannot be pressed like traditional media and therefore is not scalable, as each disk would have to be written slowly individually, like burning a blu ray yourself
100%. What would you like to see in this dream “What If…” scenario of a NEXT-GEN physical media?
@@WRNFILM lightfield video needs easily 100x the current data capacity. That's the only jump users would go for
@@WRNFILM something that isn't destructively prone to scratches
@@chrisjfox8715 Absolutely agree!
yea i think its crazy you cant just rent the dcp. I had 4k disk they were great but you cant rent it anywhere for a good price so now I just wach streaming movie movies in 1080p and it is still better then the theaters plus the moves cost too much and there and there not that good where i live. I have Atmos at home and it almost never gets used because all the movies are now 5.1 all the time. I thought about buying a dcp server but didnt know how to get the movies so i just gave up and im not rich but I bet i have a $20,000 theater or more in my home not and that's not bad for me poor like me wich most year im lucky if I earn $12,000 but i bet my theater could host most movie directors and sound mixers
There would be literally no reason for people to go to theatres.
I would like all the cuts of BladeRunner on one disc please, and the entire footage of LOTR, and all the Star Wars…
I’d love all of those too 🤙🏼
But I think there would still be a demand for the movie theaters. The screen size & audio is would still be unmatched.
I don’t think 8k is necessary. I have a very good tv and my partner sometimes cannot tell the difference between blu ray and 4k blu ray when I play them with my good disc player. On the other hand, I myself sometimes cannot tell the difference between a really good 4k hdr streaming and my 4k blu ray. I understand that there is a difference in terms of audio quality. But I doubt I could reliably tell the difference between a good 4k disc and an 8k disc when 8k disc really comes out, given that current technology on 4k disc is already a niche with which many people cannot detect its advantages. I feel like future TVs may instead make a bigger difference.
What I’m about to say is not a knock on you or anything but if you have a Sony, Samsung, or LG TV the difference between streaming fake 4K and a native 4K Blu-ray should be night and day, you should be able to see the difference visually instantaneously. Even a standard 1080 P Blu-ray looks better than anything you can stream. Maybe something is wrong in your settings or you have a bad Blu-ray player or something. You should really look into it because something is wrong.
@@michaeldietz2648 I have a 2023 Samsung flagship OLED, always Filmmaker Mode. I am pretty sure there is nothing wrong with my setting. I don’t get how anything you said was super relevant to my earlier comment. My main point was that I could not imagine any significantly detectable difference between 4k and 8k. If you were curious about why my partner doesn’t constantly see the improvement from blu ray to uhd, then you need to understand two things: 1) some blu rays (I have a lot of cc collections) are very well made while some UHDs are poorly made; 2) sometimes the quality of blu rays are already pretty decent and some people don’t care about the minor improvements. 95% of my quite extensive movie collections are 4k, but those facts are simply what I have observed. Sorry, I find your reply quite rude and condescending.
@@michaeldietz2648 and if you are curious about my player, it’s a Panasonic UB820.
@@michaeldietz2648 most of the time, streaming 4k isn’t the so-called “fake 4k”, at least not in your sense (technically, almost everything so far is “fake 4k”including the physical discs. But I will not explain why because it’s irrelevant). Sony Bravia’s bitrate is really high. For other mainstream streaming services, they often have better coding than 4k discs. I would say uhd disc video is usually 10%-40% better than 4k streaming in my experience (and the numbers I use are by no means accurate or scientific). Audio, on the other hand, is way better when I use discs. If you mean the audio difference is “day and night”, that’s understandable.
Physical media evolution is not a motivator (I feel) for upgrading home systems alone. Streaming and storage solutions coming together make it easy for us to have the best experience given the device or environment we are watching in. The only reason I could see people adopting this, is if there is something preparatory about it that forced them rather than encouraged them, and my mind goes straight to new forms of digital media encryption.
In reality, I fully agree. I expect a service similar to Kaleidescape will be the future.
@@WRNFILM Agreed, for a period of time we will be hardwired again to secure quality as we realise that bandwidth and latency needs a rethink in our homes to full advantage (an exercise worth starting now with the purchase of basic high cat network cables) Whilst Netflix and the likes were supposed to be the video media industries Napster moment, it looks like another wave will be coming.
8k will never happen.
Its like color standards of one billion colors when we can only see 16 million.
It takes a special movie for me to buy it on 4k, bluray is usually fine.
Most TV sets that are 4k do a good job of upconverting 1080p to 4k
4k is already dying and it's not cheap. Anything more expensive won't go mainstream and will die quicker than what's happening now.
Very true. But I can dream haha!
sure...🙄
We don’t need 8k movies