I'm already at 80 plus and still eager to travel to the West to do some serious dry camping while being fully self contained in an RV conversion of a 35' school bus.
I think Gonagain is one of the best channels for episodes of outdoor exploration of our beautiful lands of America. Keeping the camera on the surrounding area and occasionally on your faces keeps the interest going of what is being explored. Too you keep us informed of camping amenities and other things that make camping complete and so enjoyable. Also you are great to remind all who are viewing your channel, to respect the camping areas for keeping it clean for the next camper after you have come and gone. And when you see where the careless or really said, the care less leave trash behind, pitch in and clean up what you can so that the party responsible for providing the lands to explore, keep same open for all.
Thank you! We've met quite a few of our subscribers and, like yourself, they are careful about how and where they camp and prefer the quiet places. They also like a clean camp.
I really enjoy your videos for several reasons. I love the way you cover history and describe the content down to very fine detail in what you’re seeing in an area, I believe I receive more value of knowledge from your videos than any other video stream that I follow, thank you for being so detailed and thorough
We often camped around the west with out trailer, and yes I had a milk crate or 2 of rocks at the end of each trip. Don often referred to "The Long Long Trailer" (Ricky and Lucy) and often said, "someday they'll find us and what's left of a trailer full of rocks off some mountainside😅". A very fond memory of him. Now it's just me and Sam dog, SUV camping in our 4runner and still bringing home rocks😊.
I was camping in the National Forest here in Alabama about 15 years ago in what I now would call a dispersed camping area. We had just got camp set up when a ranger came into camp and told us they were bouldering up the road into the camping area and if we wanted to get out, we better get packing. I asked him why they were closing it off and he told me that vehicles traveling back to these camps were dropping oils and such that was having some bad effect on some muscle in the creek. I looked at the creek and told the ranger that they needed to have a talk with that bird that was eating the muscles. Needless to say, we left in an orderly fashion but were not happy about it. There is way too much going on in the name of "saving it for our children". We can use the land and still save it.
Of all the places in the US, I never would have thought it would be Montana limiting accessibility to our public lands. There's got to be quite the story behind it.
isn't strange that a country of the people , for the people by the people tells the people what they can or can not do with the 'government's" land , also strange the largest gold producing state in our country, Nevada, is almost completely owned by the government. (85% +)
The land is managed by the United States department of agriculture. Not the state of Montana. Secondly, the United States Forest service, a department of the USDA is subject to the same financial restraints you and I are. There's only so much money that we don't have, that were allowed to spend. What I am telling you is Washington politicians have decided what the budgets are going to be. Then the same thing but would happen to you or I, things get cut back when the money gets cut off. My advice is be careful who you vote for. And when you do make sure you do your homework and elect people who are more concerned with our environment than they are which bathroom who uses. Seriously.
I've lived in Idaho, California, and now Oregon working in the wood products industry while mills were forced to close, one by one. One company (Sierra Pacific) gained preferred status in CA while long established companies (LP, GP, and others) had to leave. Many of the private lands were taken over by SP and the Sierra Club, limiting access to members only. As more and more roads are being gated off throughout the west, an issue has arisen; unused roads are growing over with brush and trees making access for firefighters next to impossible. I believe that this is the cause of the giant wildfires we now experience every year.
Again..another great informative video...especially hubby agrees with you regarding how you both proctect against gizzley bears.. also love Ricks Ricky Ricardo cubano accent!!! Lol...
I truly enjoy your videos. Thank you so much. I agree OUR public land is becoming government land. Our rights are being eroded at an astounding rate. Blessings
@@rickturnr Well, the government was supposed to us ! What is your point ? We should not have to be fighting our government for things our taxes are supposed to be paying for !
@@ralphp3057 I have been in Colorado on BLM and was told that if I didn't have a Colorado fishing or hunting license, I could get a ticket. No one else was there me an 3 deer 8 miles off of the HY.
They have closed off so many forest roads in Minnesota state forests and national forests, has limited the camping and roads that get traveled, we are losing all those old roads to overgrowth now.
This maybe an unpopular comment but that is not my goal. I use to get so angry when the rangers would close camping areas in Arizona for 6, 7 years at a time until I was able to observe firsthand how human activity can destroy areas. There was a hidden little gem of a camping spot that had a 50'x50' parking, flat, shade tree, fire pit, and a seasonal creek about 100' beyond. We camped the spot in May but when we returned in Aug it wasnt the same site. Campers built 4 more fire rings, tried and failed to chop limbs off the tree and craved all over it, killed most of the grasses and shrubs over 200'x200' area around the original fire pit. The rangers moved boulders into the entrance and closed the site. I honestly thought a year or two it would be back to normal but the rains eroded the bare dirt and changed the terraform, it looked like a construction site. I thought I understood the concept of human pressure but I woefully underestimated the effects. The last time we visited was 9 years after closing and little clumps of grasses were just starting to return on a couple of little hills. My take away is that the farther camping is away from civilization or rangers the more people are destructive. So when the parks say it is closed for recovery or for animal habitat I'm good with it. Yes, I'm not above getting pissed with the inconvenience but I just have to remember that murder of nature I personally witnessed to take the wind out of my sails.
If there was an upshot to this video, your point would be clearly the most valid. Almost no one wants to be told that they were born too late to enjoy the good times. Too many people, mess everything up, every time. The fact of the matter is, there are too many people, the old days are never coming back, and yes it's just going to get worse. The thing is, we could have held out much longer, if we were better people as a whole.
WOW , Thank you, no it was not a unpopular comment , but the truth about people and no laws, I was a ranger for over a decade. I experienced alot people starting over, like their forfathers did. We talk about immigration at our borders, But I see immigration inside the usa Because of different reasons people are moving around more sense W W 2. Like all the homeless around our whole country as well ! But I agree with morpher, as a ranger I have seen major distruction of federal and state land by people , it's a shame. we
Watching this a second time. Thanks for the tip on that Google Lens app. Good info about not whistling in bear country. Most folks don't know that. Had to laugh about the Lucy and Desi movie. I haven't watched that for years but it was hilarious. Between those very big rocks and jars of food, Desi was fit to be tied when they got stuck on that mountain road. And that road brought back memories of traveling through the mountains when I was a kid and we were often on dirt roads, which today are paved and four lanes! That was nice of you to give the update on the Alp generator! That spoke well of the company for sure. And great info on the cables for StarLink! Who would have thought! I'll make sure I tell my friends up the North Fork about that. That was a beautiful area for sure and yes June was still very chilly. I had to build a fire most mornings that month. I've had to give up on going out anywhere like that anymore, but I would imagine many of the places my husband and I use to hike around in are most likely no longer accessable. Sorry Linda to hear about that broken toe. Been there😥 Great walkabout! Thank you! I'll check into the patreon link after payday👍🖖
I'm in the Eastern Sierras in Kali. And they did the same to us. If I remember correct we lost 466 miles of roads in the Inyo national forest alone. Not only did we loose spur roads but they eliminated any loop road. We fought it but it didn't matter.
Tip on carrying and storing a flashlight. I always untwist the tube cap to break the electrical contact when not using. Simple enough to give it a little twist when needed and no hazard. These high power flashlights can light a fire as you found out.
Hi again!, We got the book that you recommended a while back--"Grace on the Open Road". We read one devotional for each day that we are camping And I make notes in the margins as to what we experienced that day. The blessing is that the devotional of the day is usually very appropriate for our experiences of the day! Recently I bought the other book that you recommended, Woodcraft by Nessmut. I love reading that book because of the archaic language that he uses. The old-fashioned "prose" is so fun to read! Of course that is probably because I grew up on the King James Version of the Bible and still read it mostly. Keep traveling ! ! !
You guys have the best “ Salmagundi “ of content! Just love your videos! I’ve sent a few bears running off with a metal pot and cooking spoon with added load fast paced noise from my mouth 😂!
I recently saw a video of someone's custom-made reflective solar cloth "Sun-Fly" topper for their Clam (with plans to make a couple of reflective side panels). He said it solves the problem of heat accumulation in his Clam. I thought of you and I'm glad this video reminded me to mention it.
Thanks for mentioning that. Linda's been wanting to get one of those reflective sun tarps (like shade cloth) but we just keep forgetting to order one. This will remind us to get one.
@@gonagain If I remember right from the video, he bought the solar cloth and a local awning company fabricated the fitted clam topper for him. But a tarp simply staked up the sunny side and across the roof over to the opposite side should work just fine.
I remember in the 70s that the shoe strings used to be so short. You couldn't even tie your shoe strings. Now there so long you can trip over them, and they keep coming untied, so you'd have to double knot or triple them constantly.
I bought the biggest shelter Clam makes and after I set it up I discovered it did not have that flap. I got it off of Ebay and probably could have sent it back but I decided to just put up with it. I want to add it was several months before we set the Clam up so I missed my return option. The flap does help keep the panels in place and of course redirects rain but like you said check for the flap before you buy a Clam. We do love ours in spite of the missing flaps!
In my mind I remember the movie the long long trailer the rocks were picked up along the way on their trip. They drove to the top of a mountain and at the top of the mountain Desi found the rocks and unloaded them on the spot. I was born and raised at Scobey, Mt and now we live at Billings. I enjoy very much your viedos. thank you
@@gonagain That’s where we meet up face to face in the Ajo grocery store. I’m in Colorado right now taking advantage of the cool weather at the higher elevations. Did you hurt your ankle again?
My wife and I just returned from a 4 day camping trip at a somewhat local state park. That’s our 2nd trip this summer after not going for several years. Definitely inspired by you guys.
Thanks for the update on Clam. If you get over my side of the divide let me know. I'll buy you both a piece of pie. Thanks again for sharing your adventures.
Nice video! Thanks for the update on some of your equipment. I get a good feeling when I see the quaking Aspen leaves! I'm glad I discovered you guys on TH-cam!!
Bear spray is "illegal" here in New Jersey as civilians are only permitted to have capsicum (pepper spray) canisters no larger 3/4 of an ounce. "Bear spray" canisters are much larger.
Thanks! My brother and I have watched you both for a couple of years and I haven't contributed to your efforts. Hope this helps. Keep up the good work.
I’m with you on that brother, they claim that it’s for the safety of wildlife! All life is wildlife ! Safety of others has always been the alibi of tyrants!
It looks like you found one route to get your rig into the area that wasn’t blocked off ! This is good that you got into where you like to camp and explore! In the Pacific Northwest the FS is doing the same thing , blocking everything off !
Rick~ I worked as an electrical engineer for 40 years. You gut is telling you right about Starlink cables…. Would you be willing to do an expierement? Sit it inside the clam shelter. I have no clue what sort of canvas it is made of, but if it is standard canvas, the signal should penetrate the clam shelter fine. The climate inside the clam should not need heat to keep ice off of it. Good luck.
I may need to find a way to shelter my starlink antenna here at home, because that's where the problem occurs. Putting the Clam in the yard would be one way. Good thinking!
Thanks for the look 👀 see if that area!! That lightning in the beginning. We hear that daily here in Florida! Whomever is responsible is going to continue to restrict our movements camping etc !! I will just go anyway! I’m tired of them trying to tell us what to do !! 😳🤔Thanks for sharing!
Like# 1,8?? and I love the still for the vid! Classic! I pack for bear and mountain lion! After being treed by a black bear in MI and having a 9mm - I fired the magazine and 3 clips into it before it dropped, now I carry a 10mm!
Maybe that huge bonfire pit was one of the reasons to shut the road down 😳 ! I’ve also seen where someone people built a crude non pit toilet very close to a river 🤦♀️ ! Maybe the forest service need to have some educational signs posted as people head in to the parks ! I’ve seen some brazen people do some awful stuff boondocking 🤦♀️
Good move going back to camp and not hiking when lightning is about. Many people are killed every year by lightning strikes. Sorry to hear about Linda's toe. Gorgeous area! Thanks for the gear updates! Great tip on the StarLink cables. Agree 100% about PUBLIC forest access. Count me in if you find some way to change our access rights. Keep safe and Happy Travels.
The truth of the matter considering our rights of access for free access to public lands is, to make up for the lack of respect for those who leave behind their trash in our beloved public lands. If we do nothing, we WILL lose the use of public lands.
@@alvisjenkins1305 Agreed. It's important that we who have respect for the world do more than our share when it comes to cleaning up after others while educating the ignorant. That said however; If these are truly PUBLIC lands, then access to them should not be denied for, if it really is our ''right' to travel them, then something is very wrong. Because a right is not a right if it can be taken from you without due process of some kind. This is just an arbitrary decision from on high.
I enjoyed the video, and the update, do you still use the composting toilet? Also if I find a creek or river it is worthwhile panning for gold, you might be surprised what you find.
I love the Long Long Trailer! I think about it a lot when we're roadtripping in the USA. It's all about what can and often does go wrong when you have a rig. Have you seen About Schmidt with Jack Nicholson? Also features RV life but from a decidedly different perspective.
You know, I noticed the same thing here in the upper Midwest. Many of my national Forest roads that have a suffix like Forest road 229 a, or b, have boulders or cable blocking the road. So, I went into the ranger station had a nice chat and casually ask them about all those blockages. They suggested I do my homework, add hinted that everything comes down to money. I did, and they were right. No one is setting aside the king's Forest here. Politicians have simply cut off the resources. And there you have it.
The resources available to politicians for keeping up pubic lands is your class 5 tax dollars that you gave as a gift to the government. If politicians could care less about our right to use these lands, then at election time you and I should be finding out just what our elected reps are going to do while in office to look out for the public interest. If you who read my comment here don't know what a class 5 tax is, you should go to IRS gov and research the Internal Revenue Manual, especially document # 6209, and be pleasantly surprised to see how the IRS sees your alleged tax dollars coming in. Actually, you have been deceived into thinking you are a taxpayer by words of art, and in clear violation of the Constitution, and federal law and federal regulations.
@alvisjenkins1305 well that's all very well and fine. The problem is, what you judged to be my delusional existence, is in fact reality. Now you can rail Against the Machine with all your righteous indignation, in a free country like ours that is your right. And at the same time remember that as a citizen you have a duty to do your part, that includes paying your share. Freedom ain't free, ask any vet. Maybe you could quit paying your taxes and find out if the orange jumpsuit with a number actually fits.
Sorry about your broken toe Linda. You gotta quit beating yourself up. Hope you heal up soon. That flashlight seems dangerous. I carry an O-Light flashlight, maybe I need to rethink my carry flashlight? I haven't had any trouble with it, but I don't want any either. It's sad, but more and more of our land (that's right, our land, we pay federal taxes to upkeep and maintain and manage that land) is being shut down. Safe travels guys.
Thanks, JT, hopefully I'm done beating myself up. Luckily my broken toe didn't bother me too much after 2 days and I'm back to my spry old self again. I hope. Say hi to Jo-Anne. ~Linda
Haha Hello Linda. Short Asian women 😂 She cracks me up!! Good points about the bear spray. We still had some, but we also had a couple forms of the type of protection you use 😉I like your chest fridge. I'm waiting for one of those companies to send me one to review LOL. Mostly cuz we're tightwads and don't want to spend the money on one lol. That's more like a bonfire ring than a campfire ring lol. Love the spot by the river. Yup closed off to us commoners. Tax payers. People who fund everything for the care of those lands. Don't even get me started. LOL
The National Forests in most of the Western States have been trashed from "Homeless Campers" setting up permanent camps and trashing their whole camp area! The Forest Service doesn't have the budget to clean up all the forests. So they are closing many of the camp areas, especially close to creeks and rivers, because of human wa***! Hopefully we will still have some dispersed camping in our National Forests!
I think Montana "Bear Spray " an Arkansas Bear Spray may be the same. I share how you feel about closures, I can understand it somewhat when idiots trash a campground and the limited resources don't allow sufficient workers to keep ahead of it, that is why we volunteer. But it seems like the meaning of "We The People ", have been lost over the years, now it is "We The Government ", sad. Thanks for the video.
She was collecting the rocks for their future home. She had to hide them from him because she didn't understand overloading in a bad thing, especially when they start down the mountain 😮
Hmmmm, back east in places like Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, with every rainstorm "fresh" artifacts are dislodged and washed into the streams. Food for thought
I always look forward to your videos. I understand you don't prefer bear spray. I was wondering if you know of any study that has tested hand held air horns, like are used on boats, as a bear deterrent? I'm a tent camper except in Grizzly country. I've been considering buying a small off road trailer to tow behind my Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk.
I don't know of a study on air horns for bear deterrent. I do know that here in bear country, both black and grizzly bears, its either bear spray or Montana bear spray.
The proliferation of off-road vehicles has allowed the Slobovians into backcountry areas which they have trashed. One reason for road closures. Another is that the "ologists" in the Forest Service closed large areas for wildlife habitat free from the influence of us humanoids.
Hello you two. Once again Linda is in her element. "Lightning is attracted to short Asian women." She may not be accident prone, but when she is she seems to concentrate on the area of the feet. On a more serious note after watching this video, it bothered me to the point that I sent off an email to the Montana Land Board requesting who AND for what reasons those trails were closed off to non-walkin campers. Keep in mind that I live in NC. I did mention in the email that these sites being closed does not give a good "look" for in-state and out-of-state tourism. So we will see if and when I get a response. If that happens I'll let you know, probably in an email.
That is how my charger is hooked up, to the 110AC system. I have my DC system hooked up at 24volts, so my charger was $150.(Ampere Time) That is what it like here in Western Wa. Pretty much no dispersed camping any more, and it really sucks two times a year when I have to get away from the battle zones, because fireworks freak out my one dog so bad, he shakes and pants so bad he slobbers. Not anywhere near around me anyway.
The neighborhood where we live is big into fireworks and anything goes here in Montana. I don't mind it myself and our families only pet, a dog, is ok with it, but some poor animals totally freak out.
@@gonagain I used to not mind much but it is so bad here, it is starting to give me a bad case of PTSD. And I know it is not doing my dog's health any good either. And some jackass is still lighting them off, almost three weeks later. Oh and every time the Seahawks score a touchdown. It's getting really old. He even lit like six or seven bombs off on Vet's day? Seriously?
I wonder how much influence the concessionaires that profit from the campgrounds have with the national forest. I refuse to pay $30 per night for a pit toilet and camp with strangers. I've noticed some forest in Northern California have a limit of 14 days per YEAR. I don't see how that could be enforced.
I have an O-light just like yours, and it did the same thing. It's supposed to shut off when the lens is covered, but that hasn't worked for me yet. Another thing is that the only battery that will work with it is the one it came with. I bought two batteries from Olight and the light will not work with them. Very strange. I tried to get hold of customer service with no luck.
Hey guys, Love your channel! Not sure where you are but the only Teton River in Mt is up near Great Falls. We live near the Teton River in the N Teton Valley of Idaho, give us a shout anytime and we’ll give you a quiet place to camp and make you welcome. 😎
For some reason it hasn't been as bad this year here in my neighborhood. Just lucky I guess. Have you tried picaridin instead of deet? It works and is much more pleasant. I tried it after I found out that the military uses it.
I remember when forest road 144I was closed. According to the signs, it was to curtail the spread of an invasive species of plant. Didn't make much sense,but I see it is still closed. That had to have been at least five years ago.
That's interesting and I don't see how closing it would help much with that. Some folks actually make it a hobby to pull invasive plants. I would, if I had a better idea of what I was looking for. Send me out to weed the strawberry patch and you're more likely to lose the strawberries!
It is sad about all of the public lands getting shut down or access being severely limited. I do a combination of bear spray and “Montana bear deterrent”. It is tough with the Montana kind. Some states don’t like it.
Bears🐻☠, that's why I always have one of my guns with me, Henry lever action 45/70 gov, Mossberg 12g, or Beretta 40 cal S&W, all with special ammo. Take care, Mike
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I am approaching 80 so all I can do is watch your videos and dream of yesteryear. I enjoy your lifestyle
I'm already at 80 plus and still eager to travel to the West to do some serious dry camping while being fully self contained in an RV conversion of a 35' school bus.
Thank you for watching, Martin. We hope you can still get out and enjoy the sunshine.
@@alvisjenkins1305, that is amazing , go for it
I think Gonagain is one of the best channels for episodes of outdoor exploration of our beautiful lands of America. Keeping the camera on the surrounding area and occasionally on your faces keeps the interest going of what is being explored. Too you keep us informed of camping amenities and other things that make camping complete and so enjoyable. Also you are great to remind all who are viewing your channel, to respect the camping areas for keeping it clean for the next camper after you have come and gone. And when you see where the careless or really said, the care less leave trash behind, pitch in and clean up what you can so that the party responsible for providing the lands to explore, keep same open for all.
Thank you! We've met quite a few of our subscribers and, like yourself, they are careful about how and where they camp and prefer the quiet places. They also like a clean camp.
I really enjoy your videos for several reasons. I love the way you cover history and describe the content down to very fine detail in what you’re seeing in an area, I believe I receive more value of knowledge from your videos than any other video stream that I follow, thank you for being so detailed and thorough
Thank you very much!
We often camped around the west with out trailer, and yes I had a milk crate or 2 of rocks at the end of each trip. Don often referred to "The Long Long Trailer" (Ricky and Lucy) and often said, "someday they'll find us and what's left of a trailer full of rocks off some mountainside😅". A very fond memory of him. Now it's just me and Sam dog, SUV camping in our 4runner and still bringing home rocks😊.
Our 8 year old granddaughter now asks Linda after every trip "What interesting rock did you bring me, Grandma?"
ticks me off too, public lands being closed to the public.
I was camping in the National Forest here in Alabama about 15 years ago in what I now would call a dispersed camping area. We had just got camp set up when a ranger came into camp and told us they were bouldering up the road into the camping area and if we wanted to get out, we better get packing. I asked him why they were closing it off and he told me that vehicles traveling back to these camps were dropping oils and such that was having some bad effect on some muscle in the creek. I looked at the creek and told the ranger that they needed to have a talk with that bird that was eating the muscles.
Needless to say, we left in an orderly fashion but were not happy about it. There is way too much going on in the name of "saving it for our children". We can use the land and still save it.
Of all the places in the US, I never would have thought it would be Montana limiting accessibility to our public lands. There's got to be quite the story behind it.
isn't strange that a country of the people , for the people by the people tells the people what they can or can not do with the 'government's" land , also strange the largest gold producing state in our country, Nevada, is almost completely owned by the government. (85% +)
The land is managed by the United States department of agriculture.
Not the state of Montana.
Secondly, the United States Forest service, a department of the USDA is subject to the same financial restraints you and I are.
There's only so much money that we don't have, that were allowed to spend.
What I am telling you is Washington politicians have decided what the budgets are going to be.
Then the same thing but would happen to you or I, things get cut back when the money gets cut off.
My advice is be careful who you vote for. And when you do make sure you do your homework and elect people who are more concerned with our environment than they are which bathroom who uses.
Seriously.
If the feds are responsible for the funds, then how come some state's federal land remains available? Wouldn't every state be in the boat?
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I've lived in Idaho, California, and now Oregon working in the wood products industry while mills were forced to close, one by one. One company (Sierra Pacific) gained preferred status in CA while long established companies (LP, GP, and others) had to leave. Many of the private lands were taken over by SP and the Sierra Club, limiting access to members only. As more and more roads are being gated off throughout the west, an issue has arisen; unused roads are growing over with brush and trees making access for firefighters next to impossible. I believe that this is the cause of the giant wildfires we now experience every year.
Not sure why “the algorithm” never exposed your channel to me before since it’s perfect content for me, including age group. 😉 Thank you.
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Again..another great informative video...especially hubby agrees with you regarding how you both proctect against gizzley bears.. also love Ricks Ricky Ricardo cubano accent!!! Lol...
I truly enjoy your videos. Thank you so much.
I agree OUR public land is becoming government land. Our rights are being eroded at an astounding rate. Blessings
It's been government land for 100 years
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Well, the government was supposed to us ! What is your point ? We should not have to be fighting our government for things our taxes are supposed to be paying for !
@@rickturnr It’s the people’s land. The government is supposed to manage it for us.
@@ralphp3057 I have been in Colorado on BLM and was told that if I didn't have a Colorado fishing or hunting license, I could get a ticket. No one else was there me an 3 deer 8 miles off of the HY.
They have closed off so many forest roads in Minnesota state forests and national forests, has limited the camping and roads that get traveled, we are losing all those old roads to overgrowth now.
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This maybe an unpopular comment but that is not my goal. I use to get so angry when the rangers would close camping areas in Arizona for 6, 7 years at a time until I was able to observe firsthand how human activity can destroy areas. There was a hidden little gem of a camping spot that had a 50'x50' parking, flat, shade tree, fire pit, and a seasonal creek about 100' beyond. We camped the spot in May but when we returned in Aug it wasnt the same site. Campers built 4 more fire rings, tried and failed to chop limbs off the tree and craved all over it, killed most of the grasses and shrubs over 200'x200' area around the original fire pit. The rangers moved boulders into the entrance and closed the site. I honestly thought a year or two it would be back to normal but the rains eroded the bare dirt and changed the terraform, it looked like a construction site.
I thought I understood the concept of human pressure but I woefully underestimated the effects. The last time we visited was 9 years after closing and little clumps of grasses were just starting to return on a couple of little hills. My take away is that the farther camping is away from civilization or rangers the more people are destructive. So when the parks say it is closed for recovery or for animal habitat I'm good with it. Yes, I'm not above getting pissed with the inconvenience but I just have to remember that murder of nature I personally witnessed to take the wind out of my sails.
If there was an upshot to this video, your point would be clearly the most valid.
Almost no one wants to be told that they were born too late to enjoy the good times.
Too many people, mess everything up, every time.
The fact of the matter is, there are too many people, the old days are never coming back, and yes it's just going to get worse.
The thing is, we could have held out much longer, if we were better people as a whole.
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WOW , Thank you, no it was not a unpopular comment , but the truth about people and no laws, I was a ranger for over a decade. I experienced alot people starting over, like their forfathers did. We talk about immigration at our borders, But I see immigration inside the usa Because of different reasons people are moving around more sense W W 2. Like all the homeless around our whole country as well ! But I agree with morpher, as a ranger I have seen major distruction of federal and state land by people , it's a shame.
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Watching this a second time. Thanks for the tip on that Google Lens app. Good info about not whistling in bear country. Most folks don't know that. Had to laugh about the Lucy and Desi movie. I haven't watched that for years but it was hilarious. Between those very big rocks and jars of food, Desi was fit to be tied when they got stuck on that mountain road. And that road brought back memories of traveling through the mountains when I was a kid and we were often on dirt roads, which today are paved and four lanes! That was nice of you to give the update on the Alp generator! That spoke well of the company for sure. And great info on the cables for StarLink! Who would have thought! I'll make sure I tell my friends up the North Fork about that. That was a beautiful area for sure and yes June was still very chilly. I had to build a fire most mornings that month. I've had to give up on going out anywhere like that anymore, but I would imagine many of the places my husband and I use to hike around in are most likely no longer accessable. Sorry Linda to hear about that broken toe. Been there😥
Great walkabout! Thank you! I'll check into the patreon link after payday👍🖖
Thanks for sharing your memories with us, Wanda!
I'm in the Eastern Sierras in Kali. And they did the same to us. If I remember correct we lost 466 miles of roads in the Inyo national forest alone. Not only did we loose spur roads but they eliminated any loop road. We fought it but it didn't matter.
They gave us a public forum and then did what they wanted. Special interests had a lot to do with it.
Ya thats the exact same thing that happened here.
Thanks!
Thank you, John!
@@gonagain Love your channel, wish I could give more
Tip on carrying and storing a flashlight. I always untwist the tube cap to break the electrical contact when not using. Simple enough to give it a little twist when needed and no hazard. These high power flashlights can light a fire as you found out.
The new Olight Warrior Mini3 that they sent me has a proximity sensor that detects if something is too close and shuts it off if necessary. I like it.
Hi again!, We got the book that you recommended a while back--"Grace on the Open Road". We read one devotional for each day that we are camping And I make notes in the margins as to what we experienced that day. The blessing is that the devotional of the day is usually very appropriate for our experiences of the day!
Recently I bought the other book that you recommended, Woodcraft by Nessmut. I love reading that book because of the archaic language that he uses. The old-fashioned "prose" is so fun to read! Of course that is probably because I grew up on the King James Version of the Bible and still read it mostly.
Keep traveling ! ! !
Summer in Montana is good! Enjoy the nice temps outside.
You guys have the best “ Salmagundi “ of content! Just love your videos! I’ve sent a few bears running off with a metal pot and cooking spoon with added load fast paced noise from my mouth 😂!
Hey Rick and Linda, I hope this helps. Good video. I'm finally heading up into the forest around Mt Adam's fishing myself.
Thanks, Jeff!
Enjoy yourselves.
Thanks again, Dee!
Ah ha ha. Rick " hey bear" lightening "hey Rick" 😂😅 Aloha Linda. XOXO, Iris 😂
You caught that! That was some big grizzly answering.
the trailors back in the 50's were so heavy, it's amazing the cars could drag them
I recently saw a video of someone's custom-made reflective solar cloth "Sun-Fly" topper for their Clam (with plans to make a couple of reflective side panels). He said it solves the problem of heat accumulation in his Clam. I thought of you and I'm glad this video reminded me to mention it.
Thanks for mentioning that. Linda's been wanting to get one of those reflective sun tarps (like shade cloth) but we just keep forgetting to order one. This will remind us to get one.
@@gonagain If I remember right from the video, he bought the solar cloth and a local awning company fabricated the fitted clam topper for him. But a tarp simply staked up the sunny side and across the roof over to the opposite side should work just fine.
Great video Rick & Linda.. learned a new term "Montana bear spray" 😁👍
I remember in the 70s that the shoe strings used to be so short. You couldn't even tie your shoe strings. Now there so long you can trip over them, and they keep coming untied, so you'd have to double knot or triple them constantly.
You caught that, huh, Linda re-tying her shoelaces. Again. Thanks for watching our videos!
I bought the biggest shelter Clam makes and after I set it up I discovered it did not have that flap. I got it off of Ebay and probably could have sent it back but I decided to just put up with it. I want to add it was several months before we set the Clam up so I missed my return option. The flap does help keep the panels in place and of course redirects rain but like you said check for the flap before you buy a Clam. We do love ours in spite of the missing flaps!
Yes I agree with you.....the restrictions on the National Forest dispersed camping are too tight.
In my mind I remember the movie the long long trailer the rocks were picked up along the way on their trip.
They drove to the top of a mountain and at the top of the mountain Desi found the rocks and unloaded them on the spot. I was born and raised at Scobey, Mt and now we live at Billings. I enjoy very much your viedos. thank you
Hi Jim, thank you for watching and enjoying our videos. It's been awhile since we watched that movie, maybe we should watch it again.
I haven’t seen you guys in a while. I haven’t had much reception on my end. Looks like you guys are doing well. Good to see you❣️
Well, Hi! We spent 6 weeks in the Q/Ajo area in Jan/Feb. Are you around there? Hope to see you again somewhere. Aloha...Linda
@@gonagain That’s where we meet up face to face in the Ajo grocery store. I’m in Colorado right now taking advantage of the cool weather at the higher elevations. Did you hurt your ankle again?
Seems so many go camping and leave their trash. Good to see the folks in MT. have better upbringing.
Thanks, although we do have a few knuckleheads here and there.
It's an ongoing theme- The forest is for the king but not for thee- It's all about control and controlling where we go.
My wife and I just returned from a 4 day camping trip at a somewhat local state park. That’s our 2nd trip this summer after not going for several years. Definitely inspired by you guys.
Glad to hear that you guys are getting out! It's kinda hot here now, but we're going to try the higher elevations this coming week.
Thanks for the update on Clam. If you get over my side of the divide let me know. I'll buy you both a piece of pie. Thanks again for sharing your adventures.
Dee, we'd love to meet you!
Nice video! Thanks for the update on some of your equipment. I get a good feeling when I see the quaking Aspen leaves! I'm glad I discovered you guys on TH-cam!!
And we're glad you're here!
I remember that movie, just think of pulling that big trailer with a large sedan, something that is done today with a SUV or a truck.
In the movie, did you notice the large wheel on the front hitch to take some of the load?
@@gonagain I was only six or seven at the time, don’t recall, but, I do remember all the rocks, strategically dispersed in the trailer, lol.
We are in NJ and having a hard time finding bear spray here for our trip out West. But we love the Montana bear-spray comment. Stay safe.Rick & Sharon
Bear spray is "illegal" here in New Jersey as civilians are only permitted to have capsicum (pepper spray) canisters no larger 3/4 of an ounce. "Bear spray" canisters are much larger.
@@hdrvman yes, we will have to pick it up on the road.
@@cargoon-cargoconversionbui2880 Have a wonderful and safe trip !!!
It’s not actually bear spray ! You probably know that ? Everything is illegal in NJ ! I’m surprised they don’t tax the air you breathe!! Lol 😂
@@ralphp3057 If the air wasn't so toxic.... they probably would !!! Lol. !!!
Thanks! Great Video, I enjoy your content and speak of you both often.
Thank you so much! We appreciate it very much.
Such enjoyable folks to watch. Love your videos ❤
Thanks! My brother and I have watched you both for a couple of years and I haven't contributed to your efforts. Hope this helps. Keep up the good work.
Thank you, Anthony!
I’m with you on that brother, they claim that it’s for the safety of wildlife! All life is wildlife ! Safety of others has always been the alibi of tyrants!
It looks like you found one route to get your rig into the area that wasn’t blocked off ! This is good that you got into where you like to camp and explore!
In the Pacific Northwest the FS is doing the same thing , blocking everything off !
Now they're trying to do that to BLM land as well.
@@gonagain I’ve heard about BLM land getting blocked off at access points where folks have camped for years !
Rick~ I worked as an electrical engineer for 40 years. You gut is telling you right about Starlink cables…. Would you be willing to do an expierement? Sit it inside the clam shelter. I have no clue what sort of canvas it is made of, but if it is standard canvas, the signal should penetrate the clam shelter fine. The climate inside the clam should not need heat to keep ice off of it. Good luck.
I may need to find a way to shelter my starlink antenna here at home, because that's where the problem occurs. Putting the Clam in the yard would be one way. Good thinking!
@@gonagain Rick- the problem is called “IR Drop”. Make the home cable as short as possible…. That might help- a little
Thanks for taking us along. :)
Thank you, Free and Happy!
Thanks for the look 👀 see if that area!! That lightning in the beginning. We hear that daily here in Florida! Whomever is responsible is going to continue to restrict our movements camping etc !! I will just go anyway! I’m tired of them trying to tell us what to do !! 😳🤔Thanks for sharing!
Like# 1,8?? and I love the still for the vid! Classic! I pack for bear and mountain lion! After being treed by a black bear in MI and having a 9mm - I fired the magazine and 3 clips into it before it dropped, now I carry a 10mm!
that's great customer service! I wish when you parallel them they could provide 240v!
Maybe that huge bonfire pit was one of the reasons to shut the road down 😳 ! I’ve also seen where someone people built a crude non pit toilet very close to a river 🤦♀️ ! Maybe the forest service need to have some educational signs posted as people head in to the parks ! I’ve seen some brazen people do some awful stuff boondocking 🤦♀️
Good move going back to camp and not hiking when lightning is about. Many people are killed every year by lightning strikes. Sorry to hear about Linda's toe.
Gorgeous area! Thanks for the gear updates! Great tip on the StarLink cables. Agree 100% about PUBLIC forest access. Count me in if you find some way to change our access rights. Keep safe and Happy Travels.
The truth of the matter considering our rights of access for free access to public lands is, to make up for the lack of respect for those who leave behind their trash in our beloved public lands. If we do nothing, we WILL lose the use of public lands.
@@alvisjenkins1305
Agreed. It's important that we who have respect for the world do more than our share when it comes to cleaning up after others while educating the ignorant. That said however; If these are truly PUBLIC lands, then access to them should not be denied for, if it really is our ''right' to travel them, then something is very wrong. Because a right is not a right if it can be taken from you without due process of some kind. This is just an arbitrary decision from on high.
@@freeandhappy8562 I don't think we have a right to public lands because public lands are afforded for the people who exercise a taxable privilege.
@@alvisjenkins1305 We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. because I think the PUBLIC has a right to be on PUBLIC lands.
@@freeandhappy8562 public lands are available to the public as a privilege from federal taxation. Public lands are not free in the real sense.
I enjoyed the video, and the update, do you still use the composting toilet? Also if I find a creek or river it is worthwhile panning for gold, you might be surprised what you find.
I never get the time to do any panning, but I usually have a pan along. That toilet is amazing and we'll never leave home without one again.
Great video
Well now that a day hiker has to pay for a conservation license I hope they have the money to remove the barriers to all the old roads!
Thanks, Jason!
I enjoyed this episode 🎉
Hi Eric!
@@gonagain Hi 👋 😊
LINDA WHERE IS YOUR FISHING POLE?
I have a Colt single action 22mag that I used to always carry when out and about
I didn't get a fishing license this year, so no fishing.
There you go Rick hope that helps this easter.
Thank you very much, David! We appreciate it, and yes, it does help.
I love the Long Long Trailer! I think about it a lot when we're roadtripping in the USA. It's all about what can and often does go wrong when you have a rig. Have you seen About Schmidt with Jack Nicholson? Also features RV life but from a decidedly different perspective.
On your recommendation I just bookmarked that one to watch.
@6:40 thats some fancy camera work there. 👍 Or post production? 😁
Just post. Have you tried a 360 camera yet? I need to get one and see how it does.
You know, I noticed the same thing here in the upper Midwest.
Many of my national Forest roads that have a suffix like Forest road 229 a, or b, have boulders or cable blocking the road.
So, I went into the ranger station had a nice chat and casually ask them about all those blockages.
They suggested I do my homework, add hinted that everything comes down to money.
I did, and they were right.
No one is setting aside the king's Forest here.
Politicians have simply cut off the resources.
And there you have it.
Follow the money...
The resources available to politicians for keeping up pubic lands is your class 5 tax dollars that you gave as a gift to the government. If politicians could care less about our right to use these lands, then at election time you and I should be finding out just what our elected reps are going to do while in office to look out for the public interest.
If you who read my comment here don't know what a class 5 tax is, you should go to IRS gov and research the Internal Revenue Manual, especially document # 6209, and be pleasantly surprised to see how the IRS sees your alleged tax dollars coming in.
Actually, you have been deceived into thinking you are a taxpayer by words of art, and in clear violation of the Constitution, and federal law and federal regulations.
@@alvisjenkins1305deception has been the rule longer than most would like to believe.
@alvisjenkins1305 well that's all very well and fine.
The problem is, what you judged to be my delusional existence, is in fact reality.
Now you can rail Against the Machine with all your righteous indignation, in a free country like ours that is your right.
And at the same time remember that as a citizen you have a duty to do your part, that includes paying your share. Freedom ain't free, ask any vet.
Maybe you could quit paying your taxes and find out if the orange jumpsuit with a number actually fits.
Lots of money for Ukraine though
Reminded me of Rowan and Martin, "Say good night Dick..."
Love the update on your systems . Have a little gas $.
Thank you, appreciate it very much!
Beautiful you've done a great job
Thanks for sharing!
You bet!
Sorry about your broken toe Linda. You gotta quit beating yourself up. Hope you heal up soon.
That flashlight seems dangerous. I carry an O-Light flashlight, maybe I need to rethink my carry flashlight? I haven't had any trouble with it, but I don't want any either.
It's sad, but more and more of our land (that's right, our land, we pay federal taxes to upkeep and maintain and manage that land) is being shut down.
Safe travels guys.
Thanks, JT, hopefully I'm done beating myself up. Luckily my broken toe didn't bother me too much after 2 days and I'm back to my spry old self again. I hope. Say hi to Jo-Anne. ~Linda
@@gonagain
Jo-Ann says hello back.
Safe travels.
Haha Hello Linda. Short Asian women 😂 She cracks me up!! Good points about the bear spray. We still had some, but we also had a couple forms of the type of protection you use 😉I like your chest fridge. I'm waiting for one of those companies to send me one to review LOL. Mostly cuz we're tightwads and don't want to spend the money on one lol. That's more like a bonfire ring than a campfire ring lol. Love the spot by the river. Yup closed off to us commoners. Tax payers. People who fund everything for the care of those lands. Don't even get me started. LOL
Thank you for another awesome video
Love your videos
I do appreciate all that you both do. It’s not a lot but I hope it helps.
Thank you!
Hi You guys, thanks for Your vids.
Yours, Stan
The National Forests in most of the Western States have been trashed from "Homeless Campers" setting up permanent camps and trashing their whole camp area! The Forest Service doesn't have the budget to clean up all the forests. So they are closing many of the camp areas, especially close to creeks and rivers, because of human wa***! Hopefully we will still have some dispersed camping in our National Forests!
I think Montana "Bear Spray " an Arkansas Bear Spray may be the same. I share how you feel about closures, I can understand it somewhat when idiots trash a campground and the limited resources don't allow sufficient workers to keep ahead of it, that is why we volunteer. But it seems like the meaning of "We The People ", have been lost over the years, now it is "We The Government ", sad.
Thanks for the video.
Thanks, Norman.
The Long, Long Trailer 😊
They filmed it for MGM right after filming the first season of I Love Lucy.
She was collecting the rocks for their future home. She had to hide them from him because she didn't understand overloading in a bad thing, especially when they start down the mountain 😮
Hmmmm, back east in places like Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, with every rainstorm "fresh" artifacts are dislodged and washed into the streams.
Food for thought
I always look forward to your videos. I understand you don't prefer bear spray. I was wondering if you know of any study that has tested hand held air horns, like are used on boats, as a bear deterrent? I'm a tent camper except in Grizzly country. I've been considering buying a small off road trailer to tow behind my Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk.
@@albertsidneyjohnston5164 , better than a tent
I don't know of a study on air horns for bear deterrent. I do know that here in bear country, both black and grizzly bears, its either bear spray or Montana bear spray.
The proliferation of off-road vehicles has allowed the Slobovians into backcountry areas which they have trashed. One reason for road closures. Another is that the "ologists" in the Forest Service closed large areas for wildlife habitat free from the influence of us humanoids.
Enjoyed the video. Making noise is the best deterant. What calibur do you carry?
10mm and 9mm, hard cast.
@@gonagain Thanks. I wouldn't have thought 9mm would be enough.
Great Channel
Thank you!
Good point I’m sure there was some bad apple’s that ruined it for everybody else
Hello you two. Once again Linda is in her element. "Lightning is attracted to short Asian women." She may not be accident prone, but when she is she seems to concentrate on the area of the feet. On a more serious note after watching this video, it bothered me to the point that I sent off an email to the Montana Land Board requesting who AND for what reasons those trails were closed off to non-walkin campers. Keep in mind that I live in NC. I did mention in the email that these sites being closed does not give a good "look" for in-state and out-of-state tourism. So we will see if and when I get a response. If that happens I'll let you know, probably in an email.
Saw that you have a clam, did you treat it with water repellant?
Yes, we did spray water repellant on it a couple of years ago.
That is how my charger is hooked up, to the 110AC system. I have my DC system hooked up at 24volts, so my charger was $150.(Ampere Time)
That is what it like here in Western Wa. Pretty much no dispersed camping any more, and it really sucks two times a year when I have to get away from the battle zones, because fireworks freak out my one dog so bad, he shakes and pants so bad he slobbers. Not anywhere near around me anyway.
The neighborhood where we live is big into fireworks and anything goes here in Montana. I don't mind it myself and our families only pet, a dog, is ok with it, but some poor animals totally freak out.
@@gonagain I used to not mind much but it is so bad here, it is starting to give me a bad case of PTSD. And I know it is not doing my dog's health any good either. And some jackass is still lighting them off, almost three weeks later. Oh and every time the Seahawks score a touchdown. It's getting really old. He even lit like six or seven bombs off on Vet's day? Seriously?
I wonder how much influence the concessionaires that profit from the campgrounds have with the national forest.
I refuse to pay $30 per night for a pit toilet and camp with strangers. I've noticed some forest in Northern California have a limit of 14 days per YEAR. I don't see how that could be enforced.
Great video. And yes our government is taking our right of happiness away slowly
I have an O-light just like yours, and it did the same thing. It's supposed to shut off when the lens is covered, but that hasn't worked for me yet. Another thing is that the only battery that will work with it is the one it came with. I bought two batteries from Olight and the light will not work with them. Very strange. I tried to get hold of customer service with no luck.
I received the updated model that shuts off if the lens is blocked and mine does work. Try this email to contact them:
cs@olightstore.com
@@gonagain Thank you I'll try that
What caliber hand gun do you both carry? Do you have any recommendations?
10mm in a good semi auto.
Hey guys, Love your channel! Not sure where you are but the only Teton River in Mt is up near Great Falls. We live near the Teton River in the N Teton Valley of Idaho, give us a shout anytime and we’ll give you a quiet place to camp and make you welcome. 😎
Yep, that's the correct location. We were up Teton Pass Road, near Choteau. Thank you for your generous offer!
Got your bug spray on? There's been a lot of bad bugs this year in my area after all the rain seems like they have doubled this year. Have fun, Mike
For some reason it hasn't been as bad this year here in my neighborhood. Just lucky I guess. Have you tried picaridin instead of deet? It works and is much more pleasant. I tried it after I found out that the military uses it.
@@gonagain Not yet, but after I use up what I have, I will replace it with the new stuff.
I remember when forest road 144I was closed. According to the signs, it was to curtail the spread of an invasive species of plant. Didn't make much sense,but I see it is still closed. That had to have been at least five years ago.
That's interesting and I don't see how closing it would help much with that. Some folks actually make it a hobby to pull invasive plants. I would, if I had a better idea of what I was looking for. Send me out to weed the strawberry patch and you're more likely to lose the strawberries!
You are allowed to ride a horse behind the gates. They spread more weeds then anything else.
The control freaks have been closing access here in Wash.State also:(
Beutiful country...interesting that camping access would be restricted in these forests...something to look into...
It is sad about all of the public lands getting shut down or access being severely limited. I do a combination of bear spray and “Montana bear deterrent”. It is tough with the Montana kind. Some states don’t like it.
We're careful where we travel and avoid those certain states.
What phone do you have that can identify plants?
It's an app on the phone called "Google Lens" . You can get it on the Playstore.
Bears🐻☠, that's why I always have one of my guns with me, Henry lever action 45/70 gov, Mossberg 12g, or Beretta 40 cal S&W, all with special ammo. Take care, Mike
Good taste.
What caliber is your Montana bear spray?
Is 9mm to small ?
I carry 10mm and Linda has 9mm. Use Buffalo Bore Dangerous Game loads. Even 9 will penetrate with that.